If I dont remember wrong, Textar was a person, who made packages for Mandrake (was then it) and then stopped about around when Mandriva name was taked in use.
PCLinuxOS really use APT as package manager but still keeps that RPM based package system in use and Mandriva packages should install bretty easy without a glitch.
I have PCLinuxOS on this laptop and I like it but Mandriva 2008 Spring (2008.1) is much better than PCLinuxOS (Or Ubuntu!).
"The OS is just the part that makes the applications work on the hardware. Ideally, an OS that "just works" means I shouldn't even notice it."
Oh yeah! Try to tell that for few people who argue that OS is whole package what is under brand name. Like Ubuntu is Linux based OS because it use kernel named Linux and it's different OS than any other distribution, like Windows 95 and Windows Vista are different OS's.
And everything what you install trought package manager (apt, synaptic gui) is part of OS. But if you install something to windows, it's third party application installing and not part of OS because windows does not have package manager.
For some people, it's hard to understand that OS is just something between HW and user applications like KDE, GNOME and OpenOffice.org or GIMP.
I would like to see that happend.
Everything could be lots of better state if Microsoft would forget all old and unsecure and build new OS without anything else what dont belong to OS like webbrowser and mediaplayers. Then keep it very modular and allow customers to buy only a pure OS and then, if needed, as addons for it like web browser and mediaplayer or even 3D desktop etc. This way those who like to have Firefox or Opera, can install that or OEM can install and sell those machines.
And if Microsoft would forget 32bit and move to 64bit only, all applications would be ported to that what really are needed. We dont need applications what were made for MS-DOS series (MS-DOS - WinME) or NT series.
"What's Adobe doing with Photoshop?"
Or other naturally raised question is "What Microsoft is doing with Adobe". Microsoft will "kill" Adobe much easier if Windows is only OS what can have professional tools.
I dont drop of idea that this is low strike from Microsoft.
prepair for next time to five finger prints, blood and DNA sample and iris image with your palm print (bloodlines) and your image what has taken from 5 different angle.
That's why it's 10 dollar per person.
developing countries still need to do census by paper filling or by door 2 door questioning. There is at least two country in whole world what can do census with computer, no need to contact persons. Denmark and Finland (in year 2001).
Both sides are doing bad things. I have NEVER understand why ISO allows Big companies to VOTE in this kind stuff because IBM, Microsoft and Novell has so many offices in almost every country so they affect the whole process.
I would say that there should be only a EFF and goverment bodies who will use it. Not big corporations to lobby own idea. Microsoft has affected all country votes, just by being in there. Same has IBM done etc etc.
Of course if Microsoft and IBM are THE goverment, I understand that they need to be allowed voting.
This whole process was like joke in comedy show about murder court. Person (OOXML) who is the accused, can sit there as judge and same time in jury.
Yah, he really got good start, thanks GPL and GNU liberation what Stallman started. If GPL wouldn't be then, Linux could stay somewhere where Minix is still but GPL + GNU made it big hit!
GPL is great thing because it keeps care that everyone is playing fair.
Yah, and Webkit was available right after text passed, but from SVN what many users, not just developers can easily use, I got webkit from SVN to test and it was my second time i have used SVN.
Isn't it bretty much same what distribution is used when same book can be used with small changed for other's too. At least, i dont find any reason that Ubuntu tutorials wont work on Mandriva or Fedora, unless there is lots of apt command copy-paste like Ubuntu needs when comparing it to Mandriva what is more click click.
How old this info really is? Opera and Webkit has already hit 100/100p on Acid3 and Beta4 already had fixed a lots those memory leaks when comparing it to Firefox 2.x
Now when we have a tool what shows when image is manipulated by using Photoshop, we can start using GIMP or any other _image manipulation_ software because those tools cannot trace them because they dont "photoshop" images, they manipulate them.
Yah, bad sarcasm, im just tired that "photoshop this" "photoshop that" like there would not be any other image manipulation software. I bet that over 50% Photoshop owners just has a warez version of it and 80% of photoshop users could do their things with any other software.
20k$ in year? Hah, i was one summer (3 months) working as "bag-rat" (lifting bags to/from airliners and from/to wagons and my salary was 22.5/h, it's about 4 years now from that summer (i was 22 then) and it was bretty bad for body because work conditions (tight and low place where trowh big bags) but paycheck was good.
And because it was 22.5/h it's about 35$/h 4 times a week and 8-10 hoursh shifts. And it was nice because you got almost free flights to anywhere you wanted (example from sweden to italy) and two times even me and my shift group really flighted to italy for pizza and then back.
I think She was using a GNOME on desktop because there was GAIM (Pidgin) installed. There is big difference still in Linux when talking about usability against other OS's and it's about what desktop enviroment or window manager is used.
Normal users dont ever use Linux OS, they use GNOME or KDE and only when they are referring to Linux is for hardware support or how stable/fast OS is. But there is no desktop on Linux and it's good and bad because just like your case, GNOME was easy but what happends when she moves to PC where is KDE installed? Even that she is using still Linux as OS, she has different GUI in front of her.
That's why it is always good to tell what desktop user has used if user did or didn't like it. And if possible, suggest other if first one didn't please.
PCLinuxOS is great distribution. It can really wipe floor by using Ubuntu on it.
http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/v/pclos2007/desktop.jpg.html
Most users just need to understand that it's not about different OS's but it's about different Distributions. Ubuntu can be as good as any other distribution or any other distribution could be as good as Ubuntu.
Only thing what really makes difference is default settings and Ubuntu had those bretty well (Mandriva was having better much earlier) but now there is PCLinuxOS. And now all "big" distributions are doing same, making things simple.
And after few years, i think that there is no difference what distribution you choose, because almost all are samekind, like now, but with different themes, like now;-)
And IE would still provide superior web experience if they just would included tabs and addons same time as Firefox. They didn't do that and now Firefox is going ahead but this is very very rare thing what has happend.
Now Firefox/Opera has change to survive because many website developer use W3C standards and not IE *hit.
Some FPS games can be played with consoles and some FPS games cannot.
It really depends of the game what kind controlling and movement it needs to be enjoyable.
Like Mafia and Quake III are both FPS games but different kinds. Quake III is possible to play by console if only console players are on arena but when PC games steps to play with console gamers, PC players just wipe walls with console players asses.
Same thing goes to Halo and Operatio Flashpoint, Halo is playable with console but Operation Flashpoint isn't so nice. And both are FPS games.
If controlls are same, keyboard and mouse, console gamers gets much better change to win and if console game dosn't have different input settings for controlls, it's tie.
But when thinkin playing fast FPS game on couch with mouse on right side (or left if you are lefty) and keyboard on lap, it cant not be as good as sitting front of table like PC gamers usually do.
If all games starts to be stupid ones where there is no fast action skills needed but it's just "fun", PC dont survive. But if FPS games stays as many players like, that you dont have any automatic aiming and you need fast reflexes to avoid death, PC just wins in that case.
It's not only about console vs PC. It's more about FPS game1 vs FPS game2.
And then there are these RTS and all other games what just needs mouse or gives better enjoyment with PC (table, chair, mouse and keyboard). It's like flight simulator what really needs good joystick and keyboard and not somekind stupid joypad.
Finland and Sweden was ahead in the whole census. Finland and Sweden started census in about middle of year 1600. and year 1750 already had every person in register. At leat on start of year 2001, Finland and Denmark were only countries on world what could make census just with a computers and there were no need to go by door to door or using a mixed other kind databases together.
And at least on Finland, Civil register includes a lots of other information too than just name, address, phonenumber, education, marriage status. But it includes information of buildings and all kind other stuff what helps to build charts almost everything.
I love PDF because Scribus & KPDF but now it looks like PDF is going same way as it was before Foxit/xPDF/Scribus/etc... Adobe brings 3D models to PDF and file size just grows.
What if U.S would build a giant firewall around U.S internet so no connection would go in and no connection would get out. And same for a real world border, no one comes in and no one goes out, first just let all turist to move out U.S and those few U.S citizens to move back, like give a 2-4 week notice.
Then just activate that total blockade and keep it up next 45 years so U.S would get time to solve their cyber criminals, and all other criminals same time. And then give "Kill on sight" permission for all guards on border and same for other countries around, give them permission to shoot every damn thing that comes from U.S.
Then we really could get "terrorism" end in the world. It's just too "bad" that Microsoft is left U.S side, but hey, in same time we could get MS cut to many small pieces because those subsidiarys couldn't work together so well when HQ is down;-)
- 16-bit-per-channel color I would like to get that too for those few special cases when it's needed.
- Native CMYK I'm good with current CMYK support, enough for offset printing.
- Better floating palette support for users who don't want to enable focus-follows-mouse.
Who need that? I have everything just like on photoshop, even better, i have more control of GUI than photoshop allows me to have. What is last version of GIMP what you have tryed?
- Adjustment layers Would do things little easier, it's currently possible to go "around" that. So not "must have" option for me.
- Free transform tool I like how Gimp currently separates tools, but i think it wouldn't harm if there would be for photoshoppers same kind tool.
- Recordability of action scripts This should be much easier to do, but possible.
- Better scripting language 2.4 brought python to gimp.
- Full support for all PSD files (e.g. supporting adjustment layers, for example) I think this is #1 important thing if GIMP user want to work together with photoshop user.
- Human interface cleanup---organize menus more logically, make tools more visually distinguishable at a glance, etc.
Have you tryed 2.4 version? It has much better menu than Photoshop. But if you have already familiar with photoshop menus, any other applications menu structure is always "bad". I like GIMP menu structure way more than photoshops what does not always have a logic, but it's because Photoshop is not just for photographers, it's made for art and printing users too, and there are these typical terms what are different and workflow is different so photoshop is just somewhere "middle" of everything. Oh well, Adobe admits it's GUI is not so usefull as it should be and next versions will bring better GUI and better menu structure.
"For some professionals, there are tools that do not yet exist in gimp that they cannot be without (cmyk, layer grouping, adjustment layers, the list goes on)."
Yah, for SOME "professionals", and are you saying that those same professionals couldn't do their job with earlier version than CS3 when there wasn't such options in photoshop? C'm, grow up and start huggin that photoshop as it would make it's users talent image editors.
I'm professional and i get lots of feedback how talent i'm and i dont use Photoshop. I use Gimp and Krita.
ps. When did you last time use Gimp for real and not just "yah, GIMP dosn't look like a photoshop, it's not a flexible enough for professinals like me"?
"I've just installed Ubuntu on my laptop. Installing it was the easy part. I then had to go off and search how to add MP3 support, multimedia streaming and DVD playback. 3/4 hour later of enable this repository, apt-get this and a fair bit of sudo this and that and it's all done."
Hmm... you must had a very old version because last 2 version of Ubuntu distribution, there has be a automatic codec install. You just need to click MP3 or Videofile and Gnome pop-up's script what as your permission to install codecs for you, all what you need to do is press that "yes" and wait that progress bar is finished and your video/music starts playing.
No need to enable repository, install packages by hand etc etc...
But ubuntu sucks, you should try PCLinuxOS distribution, it has installed by default codecs, fonts and it's using Debian's apt-get and Mandrivas Control Center for hardware configurations, much easier to start with Linux OS by those who dont know what codecs/fonts are and just want's things to work. Even the windows XP could't do that (and Vista either!)
"OK, I know how to do it for next time but do you honestly think Average Joe on their first venture into Linux is going to persist as much as I did? Not a chance. Windows "Just works" so that's what they'll go back to. It'll be "Yeah I tried it once but it was just too damned complicated to do anything so I gave up.""
Yeah, windows just works on windows networks, try to get windows to NFS network.... And dont even talk about SMB shares with vista. Friend of mine has fighted with 20 vista PC's now few weeks to get it work with a XP/Linux machines. Vista got trashed and Linux was installed it's over. Now on their school has 45 XP and 82 Linux machines and 2 Vista machines what are OEM Laptops. No, they dont either work well with school network but they dont need because they are on other IT deparment problem and most of time, those are connected trought internet.
"And that's why Linux isn't cutting it on the desktop."
And that's why Windows Vista isn't cutting on the desktop either...
btw, i have 4 PC network home, one has dualboot to windows XP and one has dualboot to Vista. Three has Mandriva and one PCLinuxOS and it was easy to get them talk in network, as turning PC ON. Vista just kicks back with it's wireless connections everytime it gets booted. Good luck for me that i dont need to boot it to Vista x-)
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If I dont remember wrong, Textar was a person, who made packages for Mandrake (was then it) and then stopped about around when Mandriva name was taked in use. PCLinuxOS really use APT as package manager but still keeps that RPM based package system in use and Mandriva packages should install bretty easy without a glitch. I have PCLinuxOS on this laptop and I like it but Mandriva 2008 Spring (2008.1) is much better than PCLinuxOS (Or Ubuntu!).
"The OS is just the part that makes the applications work on the hardware. Ideally, an OS that "just works" means I shouldn't even notice it." Oh yeah! Try to tell that for few people who argue that OS is whole package what is under brand name. Like Ubuntu is Linux based OS because it use kernel named Linux and it's different OS than any other distribution, like Windows 95 and Windows Vista are different OS's. And everything what you install trought package manager (apt, synaptic gui) is part of OS. But if you install something to windows, it's third party application installing and not part of OS because windows does not have package manager. For some people, it's hard to understand that OS is just something between HW and user applications like KDE, GNOME and OpenOffice.org or GIMP.
I would like to see that happend. Everything could be lots of better state if Microsoft would forget all old and unsecure and build new OS without anything else what dont belong to OS like webbrowser and mediaplayers. Then keep it very modular and allow customers to buy only a pure OS and then, if needed, as addons for it like web browser and mediaplayer or even 3D desktop etc. This way those who like to have Firefox or Opera, can install that or OEM can install and sell those machines. And if Microsoft would forget 32bit and move to 64bit only, all applications would be ported to that what really are needed. We dont need applications what were made for MS-DOS series (MS-DOS - WinME) or NT series.
Damn, "Microsoft will "kill" Apple much easiero.." (why this kind typos cant be found when previewing :-/)
"What's Adobe doing with Photoshop?" Or other naturally raised question is "What Microsoft is doing with Adobe". Microsoft will "kill" Adobe much easier if Windows is only OS what can have professional tools. I dont drop of idea that this is low strike from Microsoft.
prepair for next time to five finger prints, blood and DNA sample and iris image with your palm print (bloodlines) and your image what has taken from 5 different angle. That's why it's 10 dollar per person.
developing countries still need to do census by paper filling or by door 2 door questioning. There is at least two country in whole world what can do census with computer, no need to contact persons. Denmark and Finland (in year 2001).
Both sides are doing bad things. I have NEVER understand why ISO allows Big companies to VOTE in this kind stuff because IBM, Microsoft and Novell has so many offices in almost every country so they affect the whole process. I would say that there should be only a EFF and goverment bodies who will use it. Not big corporations to lobby own idea. Microsoft has affected all country votes, just by being in there. Same has IBM done etc etc. Of course if Microsoft and IBM are THE goverment, I understand that they need to be allowed voting. This whole process was like joke in comedy show about murder court. Person (OOXML) who is the accused, can sit there as judge and same time in jury.
Yah, he really got good start, thanks GPL and GNU liberation what Stallman started. If GPL wouldn't be then, Linux could stay somewhere where Minix is still but GPL + GNU made it big hit! GPL is great thing because it keeps care that everyone is playing fair.
Yah, and Webkit was available right after text passed, but from SVN what many users, not just developers can easily use, I got webkit from SVN to test and it was my second time i have used SVN.
Isn't it bretty much same what distribution is used when same book can be used with small changed for other's too. At least, i dont find any reason that Ubuntu tutorials wont work on Mandriva or Fedora, unless there is lots of apt command copy-paste like Ubuntu needs when comparing it to Mandriva what is more click click.
How old this info really is? Opera and Webkit has already hit 100/100p on Acid3 and Beta4 already had fixed a lots those memory leaks when comparing it to Firefox 2.x
Now when we have a tool what shows when image is manipulated by using Photoshop, we can start using GIMP or any other _image manipulation_ software because those tools cannot trace them because they dont "photoshop" images, they manipulate them.
Yah, bad sarcasm, im just tired that "photoshop this" "photoshop that" like there would not be any other image manipulation software. I bet that over 50% Photoshop owners just has a warez version of it and 80% of photoshop users could do their things with any other software.
20k$ in year? Hah, i was one summer (3 months) working as "bag-rat" (lifting bags to/from airliners and from/to wagons and my salary was 22.5/h, it's about 4 years now from that summer (i was 22 then) and it was bretty bad for body because work conditions (tight and low place where trowh big bags) but paycheck was good.
And because it was 22.5/h it's about 35$/h 4 times a week and 8-10 hoursh shifts. And it was nice because you got almost free flights to anywhere you wanted (example from sweden to italy) and two times even me and my shift group really flighted to italy for pizza and then back.
I think She was using a GNOME on desktop because there was GAIM (Pidgin) installed.
There is big difference still in Linux when talking about usability against other OS's and it's about what desktop enviroment or window manager is used.
Normal users dont ever use Linux OS, they use GNOME or KDE and only when they are referring to Linux is for hardware support or how stable/fast OS is. But there is no desktop on Linux and it's good and bad because just like your case, GNOME was easy but what happends when she moves to PC where is KDE installed? Even that she is using still Linux as OS, she has different GUI in front of her.
That's why it is always good to tell what desktop user has used if user did or didn't like it. And if possible, suggest other if first one didn't please.
PCLinuxOS is great distribution. It can really wipe floor by using Ubuntu on it. http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/v/pclos2007/desktop.jpg.html Most users just need to understand that it's not about different OS's but it's about different Distributions. Ubuntu can be as good as any other distribution or any other distribution could be as good as Ubuntu. Only thing what really makes difference is default settings and Ubuntu had those bretty well (Mandriva was having better much earlier) but now there is PCLinuxOS. And now all "big" distributions are doing same, making things simple. And after few years, i think that there is no difference what distribution you choose, because almost all are samekind, like now, but with different themes, like now ;-)
And IE would still provide superior web experience if they just would included tabs and addons same time as Firefox.
They didn't do that and now Firefox is going ahead but this is very very rare thing what has happend.
Now Firefox/Opera has change to survive because many website developer use W3C standards and not IE *hit.
Some FPS games can be played with consoles and some FPS games cannot.
It really depends of the game what kind controlling and movement it needs to be enjoyable.
Like Mafia and Quake III are both FPS games but different kinds. Quake III is possible to play by console if only console players are on arena but when PC games steps to play with console gamers, PC players just wipe walls with console players asses.
Same thing goes to Halo and Operatio Flashpoint, Halo is playable with console but Operation Flashpoint isn't so nice. And both are FPS games.
If controlls are same, keyboard and mouse, console gamers gets much better change to win and if console game dosn't have different input settings for controlls, it's tie.
But when thinkin playing fast FPS game on couch with mouse on right side (or left if you are lefty) and keyboard on lap, it cant not be as good as sitting front of table like PC gamers usually do.
If all games starts to be stupid ones where there is no fast action skills needed but it's just "fun", PC dont survive. But if FPS games stays as many players like, that you dont have any automatic aiming and you need fast reflexes to avoid death, PC just wins in that case.
It's not only about console vs PC. It's more about FPS game1 vs FPS game2.
And then there are these RTS and all other games what just needs mouse or gives better enjoyment with PC (table, chair, mouse and keyboard). It's like flight simulator what really needs good joystick and keyboard and not somekind stupid joypad.
Finland and Sweden was ahead in the whole census. Finland and Sweden started census in about middle of year 1600. and year 1750 already had every person in register.
At leat on start of year 2001, Finland and Denmark were only countries on world what could make census just with a computers and there were no need to go by door to door or using a mixed other kind databases together.
And at least on Finland, Civil register includes a lots of other information too than just name, address, phonenumber, education, marriage status. But it includes information of buildings and all kind other stuff what helps to build charts almost everything.
http://www.vaestorekisterikeskus.fi/vrk/home.nsf/www/populationinformationsystem
http://www.maistraatti.fi/en/index.html
http://tilastokeskus.fi/index_en.html
And even that Finland collects this kind adata alots, most important thing is that there are laws for individuals to protect their indentity.
I love PDF because Scribus & KPDF but now it looks like PDF is going same way as it was before Foxit/xPDF/Scribus/etc... Adobe brings 3D models to PDF and file size just grows.
What if U.S would build a giant firewall around U.S internet so no connection would go in and no connection would get out. And same for a real world border, no one comes in and no one goes out, first just let all turist to move out U.S and those few U.S citizens to move back, like give a 2-4 week notice.
;-)
Then just activate that total blockade and keep it up next 45 years so U.S would get time to solve their cyber criminals, and all other criminals same time.
And then give "Kill on sight" permission for all guards on border and same for other countries around, give them permission to shoot every damn thing that comes from U.S.
Then we really could get "terrorism" end in the world.
It's just too "bad" that Microsoft is left U.S side, but hey, in same time we could get MS cut to many small pieces because those subsidiarys couldn't work together so well when HQ is down
- 16-bit-per-channel color
I would like to get that too for those few special cases when it's needed.
- Native CMYK
I'm good with current CMYK support, enough for offset printing.
- Better floating palette support for users who don't want to enable focus-follows-mouse.
Who need that? I have everything just like on photoshop, even better, i have more control of GUI than photoshop allows me to have.
What is last version of GIMP what you have tryed?
- Adjustment layers
Would do things little easier, it's currently possible to go "around" that. So not "must have" option for me.
- Free transform tool
I like how Gimp currently separates tools, but i think it wouldn't harm if there would be for photoshoppers same kind tool.
- Recordability of action scripts
This should be much easier to do, but possible.
- Better scripting language
2.4 brought python to gimp.
- Full support for all PSD files (e.g. supporting adjustment layers, for example)
I think this is #1 important thing if GIMP user want to work together with photoshop user.
- Human interface cleanup---organize menus more logically, make tools more visually distinguishable at a glance, etc.
Have you tryed 2.4 version? It has much better menu than Photoshop. But if you have already familiar with photoshop menus, any other applications menu structure is always "bad". I like GIMP menu structure way more than photoshops what does not always have a logic, but it's because Photoshop is not just for photographers, it's made for art and printing users too, and there are these typical terms what are different and workflow is different so photoshop is just somewhere "middle" of everything.
Oh well, Adobe admits it's GUI is not so usefull as it should be and next versions will bring better GUI and better menu structure.
Thomas takes a Linux discs, not Ubuntu ;-)
"For some professionals, there are tools that do not yet exist in gimp that they cannot be without (cmyk, layer grouping, adjustment layers, the list goes on)."
Yah, for SOME "professionals", and are you saying that those same professionals couldn't do their job with earlier version than CS3 when there wasn't such options in photoshop?
C'm, grow up and start huggin that photoshop as it would make it's users talent image editors.
I'm professional and i get lots of feedback how talent i'm and i dont use Photoshop. I use Gimp and Krita.
ps. When did you last time use Gimp for real and not just "yah, GIMP dosn't look like a photoshop, it's not a flexible enough for professinals like me"?
"I've just installed Ubuntu on my laptop. Installing it was the easy part. I then had to go off and search how to add MP3 support, multimedia streaming and DVD playback. 3/4 hour later of enable this repository, apt-get this and a fair bit of sudo this and that and it's all done."
Hmm... you must had a very old version because last 2 version of Ubuntu distribution, there has be a automatic codec install. You just need to click MP3 or Videofile and Gnome pop-up's script what as your permission to install codecs for you, all what you need to do is press that "yes" and wait that progress bar is finished and your video/music starts playing.
No need to enable repository, install packages by hand etc etc...
But ubuntu sucks, you should try PCLinuxOS distribution, it has installed by default codecs, fonts and it's using Debian's apt-get and Mandrivas Control Center for hardware configurations, much easier to start with Linux OS by those who dont know what codecs/fonts are and just want's things to work. Even the windows XP could't do that (and Vista either!)
"OK, I know how to do it for next time but do you honestly think Average Joe on their first venture into Linux is going to persist as much as I did? Not a chance. Windows "Just works" so that's what they'll go back to. It'll be "Yeah I tried it once but it was just too damned complicated to do anything so I gave up.""
Yeah, windows just works on windows networks, try to get windows to NFS network.... And dont even talk about SMB shares with vista. Friend of mine has fighted with 20 vista PC's now few weeks to get it work with a XP/Linux machines. Vista got trashed and Linux was installed it's over. Now on their school has 45 XP and 82 Linux machines and 2 Vista machines what are OEM Laptops. No, they dont either work well with school network but they dont need because they are on other IT deparment problem and most of time, those are connected trought internet.
"And that's why Linux isn't cutting it on the desktop."
And that's why Windows Vista isn't cutting on the desktop either...
btw, i have 4 PC network home, one has dualboot to windows XP and one has dualboot to Vista. Three has Mandriva and one PCLinuxOS and it was easy to get them talk in network, as turning PC ON. Vista just kicks back with it's wireless connections everytime it gets booted. Good luck for me that i dont need to boot it to Vista x-)