I'm being accused of being anti-white, based on "crap others like [me] say", except no one like me says any such crap. It's a made up boogey man, and none of the very few examples anyone's trotted out* hold any water.
* I've gotten one reply with supposed evidence of white-hating anti-racists. They named two authors and two publications, neither of which turned up anti-white sentiment when actually Googling for it.
Sorry, as an anti-racist, I'm already used to this accusation, and it's a stupid fantasy. While I'm sure that there are actually a few people who genuinely "hate white people", it's a straw man argument to set this up as the position of the author or defenders, when none have expressed it. It's just a way to easily dismiss anti-racist sentiment without actually talking about its genuine motivations.
I thought the absurdity of the claim, that queers are committing hate crimes against queers, would stand out enough. I guess I underestimated Slashdot. Thanks for explaining how to engage in jokes on the Internet tho.
I doubt it. I bet many of them specifically target other blacks, with full knowledge that a legacy of racism means authorities are much less likely to look into the matter fully and they stand a better chance of getting away with it. Most criminals are dumb but not completely. They burgle the house in the shitty neighborhood because they know odds are their isn't a patrol car as near by if someone calls the cops as their would likely be in a more affluent neighborhood, even in the spoils of a successful job won't be as great.
This is still not the same thing!
There should be no such thing as a hate crime. The concept has no place in a just society. All victims should matter equally. Why you were victimized should not be a factor. If someone is murdered/raped/robbed etc society should put equal effort into securing justice no matter who the victim is. When it comes to punishing or rehabilitating the perpetrator those are serious crime the commission of which means at a very fundamental level the prep is deranged and needs to be handled accordingly no matter what their 'reasons'. If they formed intent to do those types of harms why isn't important.
I agree that "hate crime" should not be used in determining punishment, but I strongly disagree that the concept should not exist. It is important, when trying to address a crime wave, to understand what is causing it. When the cause is bigotry, it's important to know that.
1. I live on the Hill in Seattle. I'm well aware of what is happening in this neighborhood. 2. The culture of Amazon's swelling ranks is not reflective of the overall tech industry. They hire so many young bros and shove money in their faces. The result is a whole bunch of rich man-children running around like they own the place. And increasingly, they do. 3. Regarding your article, it reinforces one of my points (the Hill's becoming less gay). The night life boom is absolutely a consequence of Amazon (and other tech) growth. It's frankly a disgusting scene. And it absolutely has all the ingredients to lead to increased violence toward queers in the neighborhood.
You're right. The deliberate attacks designed to terrorize my community don't matter because you don't care about the actual 20 people affected in the last year, nor the thousands of people who are denied the safe haven they previously found in their community. Small potatoes. So, we should just take it? Stop talking about it? Let it get worse still? When is it okay with you, a person who isn't affected, for us to stand up for our community?
That's true when considering the same crime. It's not true when considering robbery versus beatings and murder. Stealing from someone because they have something you want isn't the same as hanging them because you don't like who they are.
I agree that "hate" doesn't make the same crime worse. I don't agree that "black on black crime" is the same as a lynching or a gay bashing.
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So you're actually admitting that you're trying to silence this issue on Slashdot. Okay.
It's a problem in my community. If you don't think it merits your attention, why do you keep spending time in the discussion?
I am a white male. I'm not against myself. You're projecting a straw man argument on me, and I'm not going to accept it.
I'm being accused of being anti-white, based on "crap others like [me] say", except no one like me says any such crap. It's a made up boogey man, and none of the very few examples anyone's trotted out* hold any water.
* I've gotten one reply with supposed evidence of white-hating anti-racists. They named two authors and two publications, neither of which turned up anti-white sentiment when actually Googling for it.
I will not be pressured to provide evidence for a claim I didn't make.
I'm just saying what I see in my neighborhood. Also, as a queer, I am not "using gay men like you" at all. Shrug.
they are not part of the genetic diversity that will get passed on to the next generation
Seems to assume heredity to me.
https://google.com/?q=jessica+... - hmm nope
https://google.com/?q=anil+das... - nope
https://google.com/?q=jezebel+... - nope but there's some amusing stuff
https://google.com/?q=themarys... - more nope
Sorry, as an anti-racist, I'm already used to this accusation, and it's a stupid fantasy. While I'm sure that there are actually a few people who genuinely "hate white people", it's a straw man argument to set this up as the position of the author or defenders, when none have expressed it. It's just a way to easily dismiss anti-racist sentiment without actually talking about its genuine motivations.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Capitol Hill was ever at any point all- or even majority-gay. Nope.
Not going to engage this racist shit.
I thought the absurdity of the claim, that queers are committing hate crimes against queers, would stand out enough. I guess I underestimated Slashdot. Thanks for explaining how to engage in jokes on the Internet tho.
I doubt it. I bet many of them specifically target other blacks, with full knowledge that a legacy of racism means authorities are much less likely to look into the matter fully and they stand a better chance of getting away with it. Most criminals are dumb but not completely. They burgle the house in the shitty neighborhood because they know odds are their isn't a patrol car as near by if someone calls the cops as their would likely be in a more affluent neighborhood, even in the spoils of a successful job won't be as great.
This is still not the same thing!
There should be no such thing as a hate crime. The concept has no place in a just society. All victims should matter equally. Why you were victimized should not be a factor. If someone is murdered/raped/robbed etc society should put equal effort into securing justice no matter who the victim is. When it comes to punishing or rehabilitating the perpetrator those are serious crime the commission of which means at a very fundamental level the prep is deranged and needs to be handled accordingly no matter what their 'reasons'. If they formed intent to do those types of harms why isn't important.
I agree that "hate crime" should not be used in determining punishment, but I strongly disagree that the concept should not exist. It is important, when trying to address a crime wave, to understand what is causing it. When the cause is bigotry, it's important to know that.
1. I live on the Hill in Seattle. I'm well aware of what is happening in this neighborhood.
2. The culture of Amazon's swelling ranks is not reflective of the overall tech industry. They hire so many young bros and shove money in their faces. The result is a whole bunch of rich man-children running around like they own the place. And increasingly, they do.
3. Regarding your article, it reinforces one of my points (the Hill's becoming less gay). The night life boom is absolutely a consequence of Amazon (and other tech) growth. It's frankly a disgusting scene. And it absolutely has all the ingredients to lead to increased violence toward queers in the neighborhood.
Declining as a proportion of the population as the population becomes less diverse.
For fuck's sake how was that not obviously sarcasm? Only on fucking Slashdot do people think I seriously believe that queers are queer bashing.
I'll finally get that handie I always wanted.
Must've had an Arab on board. Or someone who has expressed publicly any notion of knowing what is going on in the OT.
How do you deal when you realize you fell asleep 5 minutes before your flight started boarding, and woke up an hour after it departed?
Shit, did they finally decommission Amtrak? I was just planning a trip.
Which is sad, because I can currently cry for the cost of a ticket.
I would pay to cry on a plane.
You miscalculated. They're really terrible drinks. So it's all fair.
You're right. The deliberate attacks designed to terrorize my community don't matter because you don't care about the actual 20 people affected in the last year, nor the thousands of people who are denied the safe haven they previously found in their community. Small potatoes. So, we should just take it? Stop talking about it? Let it get worse still? When is it okay with you, a person who isn't affected, for us to stand up for our community?
You are telling me that you think words I say deserve violence against me? Why should I take your idea of human decency seriously?
That's true when considering the same crime. It's not true when considering robbery versus beatings and murder. Stealing from someone because they have something you want isn't the same as hanging them because you don't like who they are.
I agree that "hate" doesn't make the same crime worse. I don't agree that "black on black crime" is the same as a lynching or a gay bashing.