Greenhouse gas theory is completely different, having to do with trapping of radiation. Which has been thoroughly discredited. [principia-scientific.org] (Just one example of said discrediting.)
Topping on the fucking cake:
Don't try to debate me on the science, guy. I've got you beat. I can keep shooting you down all day.
Just for the record, you are my favorite imbecile.
Sometimes the change accelerant is the Earth's sudden inability to sequester any more oxygen.
Sometimes it's a huge fucking comet hitting the planet.
Sometimes it's an ignorant species puking several-hundred-million-year-old sequestered carbon into the atmosphere in the form of a gas that is opaque to infrared radiation.
In the end though, climate change got em all, and always because some accelerant made it happen too fast for most life to adapt to.
Shrinking vertically is the real fear; the thermohaline circulation is highly sensitive to salinity (now, if only I knew what the word haline meant, and what happens when ice melts in seawater...), and the larger scale thermohaline circulation could very realistically shut down, or shrink to vertical levels making it near-useless for global heat distribution, if given proper breakdown of thermal gradients and salinity barriers; with it the most important currents (to a lot of places that are today habitable) would be fundamentally altered.
It's generally thought that if the cycle does slow down enough, or shut down completely, the Ocean will lose its ability to sequester any more heat, and the result will be quite catastrophic to the current climate (in that places that were previously arable, will not be), and there's plenty of evidence that this has not only happened before, but triggered extinction events.
Currents in general are quite safe, and nobody's really worried about the ocean suddenly becoming stagnant.
I'm quite certain the problem will have killed us long before we can possibly accurately model all the places trapped thermal energy have to hide on this planet.
This guy believes the Greenhouse Effect is bunk, and disproven.
You may be curious now, but be prepared to feel a little nauseous when he begins answering you.
Whether or not it's getting warmer is a fact, not a debate.
Even the much-hyped hiatus is a hiatus in growth of the anomaly, not a cessation of warming.
You're certainly right that they can debate as much as they want as to the cause.
Since the dawn of modern post-industrial science, scientists have been screaming for political action while larged monied interests decried their research. Whether they're right or wrong, the motives of those attempting to maintain the status quo are ridiculously complex. Industry attempted to mislead the public and use Congress to determine whether it was safe to infuse every square inch of our environment with particulate lead, our rain with sulfuric and nitric acid, our atmosphere with CFCs, our water with poisons. Personally, when a large amount of scientists start screaming about there being serious consequences to something going on, I'd listen to them.
The subject of the conversation was Netflix and Verizon, so I was referring to Netflix on my FIOS. You are correct in that we are separated by quite a huge gap in locality. In a roundabout way, that's kind of my point. I don't think there was deliberate throttling occuring due to Netflix pissing off Verizon, or they forgot to throttle my locality while they were doing it.
Which is weird as hell, because on Tuesday evening, like every evening, I didn't have any trouble at all on my FIOS connection. Does your internet perhaps suck ass?
I run a network with pretty significant content provider traffic, as well as a whole ton of eyeball traffic.
I absolutely do have to troubleshoot path-to-comcast congestion issues frequently. However, across my 6 upstreams, I have been able to find paths that are not congested at any point in time. I will not sympathize with Netflix for refusing to invest a few of their zillions of dollars into some clever network engineers. This process is even easier when you're dealing with outbound content provider traffic. It's not even difficult until you're trying to figure out how to help service inbound toward your eyeballs.
The process of routing around congestion into eyeball networks is entirely automated for us now. It took some work, and it takes a few transit providers, but it's entirely doable. It never occurred to me to try to bring the government into the management of their network though... I know I'd love it if that happened to me. I believe there are also commercial products that can assist with this. Netflix, I'm sure knows this. This is just a squabble between 2 corporate giants, with a bunch of really gullible people fooled into cheerleading for them for lack of understanding of the actual issue, who are then posting PR blog posts from interested parties as evidence. It's like a fucking US political campaign.
Well, being we're a large enough operation (~400 machines), I've never had to reinstall- one just restores from a backup, but I can simulate my favorite upgrade explosion for you; cause never determined:
server:~$ host google.com ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
server:~$ # odd.
server:~$ cat/etc/resolv.conf
cat:/etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory
server:~$ # Hm... weird.
server:~$ ls -l/etc
ls: cannot access/etc: No such file or directory
server:~$ # Oh. I see.
There's no rolling that back or fixing it in a graceful way.
Then I suggest they start routing their Comcast bound traffic out one of those other providers. I'd be happy to help them do it, but I have a sneaking suspicion technical capability isn't the hold-up. I certainly have had to do it many times for our content provider customers... Then again, we have 6 different upstreams, and we only use Cogent for the people who really, really don't care how bad their connectivity is. The pricing is good enough to leave the circuit their idle, not hitting commit, and not care.
Netflix doesn't peer unconditionally unless it's at an IX.
We were pretty excited when they finally decided to become part of the SIX, as we didn't fit their bill for being cool enough to peer with prior to that. Net Neutrality, eh?
We're not a real big ISP, but we do have gigabit home customers, and around 15k customers total.
I can also tell you that we put off peering with them explicitly to wait to have enough cash to upgrade the entire infrastructure from our gig customers to our SIX edge (not cheap.) to handle the increased bandwidth direct peering allowed. Netflix customers really are just a really, really vocal minority of our actual customer base.
While your assessments aren't wrong, they're also not in any way a counter-argument to my claims.
You're right, Britain wasn't much help for much of the war. Then they really were- especially the British air forces (bombers).
Can't argue that the Russian's greatest asset was in fact the Russian Winter, which has a historical record of being quite rude to western European armies that are invading. But they also had a stupid amount of active troops, and annihilated entire German armies (with kill-to-death ratios that almost make one turn green... in favor of the Germans).
Saying Germany had Italy is a lot like saying the British had the Irish. Come on.
I've been a Systems Administrator for going on 8 years now, though I'm now our Senior Network Engineer, I still lead the Systems Administration team, and I couldn't concur more. We manage ~400 Linux machines/virts, and a handful of Windows machines (kill me.)
About 6 years back, I started using Linux exclusively for my desktop, but prior to getting a firm grasp of the Linux internals, I hated it on the desktop. It was garbage. Every single subsystem seems to be in a flux of brokenness, with every progressive generation doubling down on stupid and making the entire subsystem more flaky to fix one single problem the old one had. Drives me crazy. Still love the OS though. You can't beat it for administration.
I want to smile and pat you on the head. Doing systems administration for a living, I've probably been exposed to some shit the average Linux user doesn't see, but I assure you, update failures on both Debian and Red Hat derivatives can't be quite spectacular and fatal.
I was pretty surprised to learn, at age 25, that Windows was in fact NOT free. Apparently I missed the portion of my childhood education where copyright law was explained to me.
In summary, your logic is unsupported by the facts.
He's a moron. No need for a response to him. Judging by the list of examples he gave, I'm not sure anyone in the world shares his definition of the word 'model'.
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Greenhouse gas theory is completely different, having to do with trapping of radiation. Which has been thoroughly discredited. [principia-scientific.org] (Just one example of said discrediting.)
Topping on the fucking cake:
Don't try to debate me on the science, guy. I've got you beat. I can keep shooting you down all day.
Just for the record, you are my favorite imbecile.
A denialist actually has absolutely no logical similarity to a heretic.
I'm sure you're educated enough to know that, right?
Scientist A could consider Scientist B a heretic, because Scientist B doesn't quite tow the party line (and Scientist A was retarded)
There's no science involved in the screeching psychobabble that oozes from you, sir.
Every single one of them.
Sometimes the change accelerant is the Earth's sudden inability to sequester any more oxygen.
Sometimes it's a huge fucking comet hitting the planet.
Sometimes it's an ignorant species puking several-hundred-million-year-old sequestered carbon into the atmosphere in the form of a gas that is opaque to infrared radiation.
In the end though, climate change got em all, and always because some accelerant made it happen too fast for most life to adapt to.
Shrinking vertically is the real fear; the thermohaline circulation is highly sensitive to salinity (now, if only I knew what the word haline meant, and what happens when ice melts in seawater...), and the larger scale thermohaline circulation could very realistically shut down, or shrink to vertical levels making it near-useless for global heat distribution, if given proper breakdown of thermal gradients and salinity barriers; with it the most important currents (to a lot of places that are today habitable) would be fundamentally altered.
It's generally thought that if the cycle does slow down enough, or shut down completely, the Ocean will lose its ability to sequester any more heat, and the result will be quite catastrophic to the current climate (in that places that were previously arable, will not be), and there's plenty of evidence that this has not only happened before, but triggered extinction events.
Currents in general are quite safe, and nobody's really worried about the ocean suddenly becoming stagnant.
I'm quite certain the problem will have killed us long before we can possibly accurately model all the places trapped thermal energy have to hide on this planet.
This guy believes the Greenhouse Effect is bunk, and disproven.
You may be curious now, but be prepared to feel a little nauseous when he begins answering you.
Certainly. In the same way that if the wheel on your car wobbles at 60mph, you don't figure out what's wrong, you throw away the whole fucking car.
Whether or not it's getting warmer is a fact, not a debate.
Even the much-hyped hiatus is a hiatus in growth of the anomaly, not a cessation of warming.
You're certainly right that they can debate as much as they want as to the cause.
Since the dawn of modern post-industrial science, scientists have been screaming for political action while larged monied interests decried their research. Whether they're right or wrong, the motives of those attempting to maintain the status quo are ridiculously complex. Industry attempted to mislead the public and use Congress to determine whether it was safe to infuse every square inch of our environment with particulate lead, our rain with sulfuric and nitric acid, our atmosphere with CFCs, our water with poisons. Personally, when a large amount of scientists start screaming about there being serious consequences to something going on, I'd listen to them.
It was as if a million points of karma suddenly cried out in terror... and were suddenly silenced.
The subject of the conversation was Netflix and Verizon, so I was referring to Netflix on my FIOS. You are correct in that we are separated by quite a huge gap in locality. In a roundabout way, that's kind of my point. I don't think there was deliberate throttling occuring due to Netflix pissing off Verizon, or they forgot to throttle my locality while they were doing it.
In order to accomplish that, we'd have to stop electing the aristocracy to positions of governance.
Which is weird as hell, because on Tuesday evening, like every evening, I didn't have any trouble at all on my FIOS connection. Does your internet perhaps suck ass?
I run a network with pretty significant content provider traffic, as well as a whole ton of eyeball traffic.
I absolutely do have to troubleshoot path-to-comcast congestion issues frequently. However, across my 6 upstreams, I have been able to find paths that are not congested at any point in time. I will not sympathize with Netflix for refusing to invest a few of their zillions of dollars into some clever network engineers. This process is even easier when you're dealing with outbound content provider traffic. It's not even difficult until you're trying to figure out how to help service inbound toward your eyeballs.
The process of routing around congestion into eyeball networks is entirely automated for us now. It took some work, and it takes a few transit providers, but it's entirely doable. It never occurred to me to try to bring the government into the management of their network though... I know I'd love it if that happened to me. I believe there are also commercial products that can assist with this. Netflix, I'm sure knows this. This is just a squabble between 2 corporate giants, with a bunch of really gullible people fooled into cheerleading for them for lack of understanding of the actual issue, who are then posting PR blog posts from interested parties as evidence. It's like a fucking US political campaign.
Well, being we're a large enough operation (~400 machines), I've never had to reinstall- one just restores from a backup, but I can simulate my favorite upgrade explosion for you; cause never determined:
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
/etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory
/etc /etc: No such file or directory
server:~$ host google.com
server:~$ # odd.
server:~$ cat
cat:
server:~$ # Hm... weird.
server:~$ ls -l
ls: cannot access
server:~$ # Oh. I see.
There's no rolling that back or fixing it in a graceful way.
Except that if Comcast gets caught doing that, they'll be slapped as common carriers before they can take their next breath.
Now, that doesn't mean you're wrong. It just means there is incentive to not play too dirty (purposeful degradation)
* s/can\'t/can/;
*there.
:(
I quit life
Then I suggest they start routing their Comcast bound traffic out one of those other providers. I'd be happy to help them do it, but I have a sneaking suspicion technical capability isn't the hold-up. I certainly have had to do it many times for our content provider customers... Then again, we have 6 different upstreams, and we only use Cogent for the people who really, really don't care how bad their connectivity is. The pricing is good enough to leave the circuit their idle, not hitting commit, and not care.
The latter. One of the ISP acquisitions my employer got their hands on recently had them as an upstream. They were promptly nuked.
Netflix doesn't peer unconditionally unless it's at an IX.
We were pretty excited when they finally decided to become part of the SIX, as we didn't fit their bill for being cool enough to peer with prior to that. Net Neutrality, eh?
We're not a real big ISP, but we do have gigabit home customers, and around 15k customers total.
I can also tell you that we put off peering with them explicitly to wait to have enough cash to upgrade the entire infrastructure from our gig customers to our SIX edge (not cheap.) to handle the increased bandwidth direct peering allowed. Netflix customers really are just a really, really vocal minority of our actual customer base.
While your assessments aren't wrong, they're also not in any way a counter-argument to my claims.
You're right, Britain wasn't much help for much of the war. Then they really were- especially the British air forces (bombers).
Can't argue that the Russian's greatest asset was in fact the Russian Winter, which has a historical record of being quite rude to western European armies that are invading. But they also had a stupid amount of active troops, and annihilated entire German armies (with kill-to-death ratios that almost make one turn green... in favor of the Germans).
Saying Germany had Italy is a lot like saying the British had the Irish. Come on.
It absolutely was one hell of a lopsided fight.
I've been a Systems Administrator for going on 8 years now, though I'm now our Senior Network Engineer, I still lead the Systems Administration team, and I couldn't concur more. We manage ~400 Linux machines/virts, and a handful of Windows machines (kill me.)
About 6 years back, I started using Linux exclusively for my desktop, but prior to getting a firm grasp of the Linux internals, I hated it on the desktop. It was garbage. Every single subsystem seems to be in a flux of brokenness, with every progressive generation doubling down on stupid and making the entire subsystem more flaky to fix one single problem the old one had. Drives me crazy. Still love the OS though. You can't beat it for administration.
I want to smile and pat you on the head. Doing systems administration for a living, I've probably been exposed to some shit the average Linux user doesn't see, but I assure you, update failures on both Debian and Red Hat derivatives can't be quite spectacular and fatal.
I was pretty surprised to learn, at age 25, that Windows was in fact NOT free. Apparently I missed the portion of my childhood education where copyright law was explained to me.
In summary, your logic is unsupported by the facts.
He's a moron. No need for a response to him. Judging by the list of examples he gave, I'm not sure anyone in the world shares his definition of the word 'model'.