I've been using it since I made the original post and it really is a big accomplishment. If I ever went back to using Linux full time, this would be my choice. There are a lot of naysayers here who haven't even taken the time to try it. Download it, fire up VirtualBox, run the ISO as a virtual live DVD, and be impressed. Interestingly enough, it even has drivers for every last little bit of hardware on my MacBook (yes, even wifi). I'm going to be installing a dedicated install on my Win 7 laptop and use it for the next week (except when I need to use my OS X only software), and see where things go. Maybe I'll write a review. Anyway, go for it, it's not like anyone here doesn't know how to get it up and running in a VM in five-minutes. Also, it's been amazing to watch people here (of all places) trash something just because it's a Linux project. Whatever happened?
Finally, to those who are upset that they are calling it it's own OS, do we not also refer to Android as it's own OS? So far, this appears far enough outside the norm of common distros to give the developers some room on this.
I've been giving a spin all day, and I can tell you it is much more than an OS X themed window manager. I know that's not much of a review, and if I have time maybe I'll put one together, but I suggest you try it before knocking it - it's actually pretty wonderful.
It's not just the docks behavior or the slightly less similar menu bar across the top. They actually went so far as to copy expose functions and the music player looks exactly like the version of iTunes before the most recent update, even the file browser is an obvious and direct clone of the Finder. For crying out loud, the default wallpaper that the video starts out with is even the default wallpaper in OS X. And all that just from the video. Since I'm going to install it, I'm willing to bet the similarities don't even come close to stopping there. I am really super surprised at what a brazen OS X clone this is, even shocked they would go this far.
With all that said, and myself as someone who is a long time dedicated Mac user, I think it looks really freaking cool! I have been waiting for something like this and will be giving it a spin today. As someone who is also a long time Linux user, I'm about as excited as a six-year old on christmas morning to play with this new distro. Now if only I can drop that interface onto Slackware.
Also, as I scroll down their page, even that flows and looks exactly like an apple website product page, even the navigation bar at the top comes close to a clone of apple.com - interesting. They should steer this in the direction of making it a platform that integrates with Edge, much like iPhone (disclaimer: I use an Android) is integrated into Apple's platform. Anyway, going to download and install now, hope it lives up to what they are advertising.
However, myself as an American, don't think for one second that I am not right now in the process of being radicalized against my own nation. Because I'm sick of so much shit, and I am. If the NSA is reading this: come get me motherfuckers, and prove my point.
"Maybe if the big dumb giant stopped invading places the little guys would be less paranoid."
Agreed. Although I suspect my own government (USA) is too naive to see it that way. I wish we would take a more isolationist approach. After all, we personally trained Bin Laden in the early 80's to use as a tool for meddling in the affairs of other nations. That one act pretty much set the stage for the substantial majority of the violence we have in the world today. I often wonder what things would be like now if we hadn't set out to destabilize the Middle East. We need to just back off rather then attack what we created with the same bad logic we started with. Sigh...
No doubt about any of that, however, I find it unlikely that we would use nukes or bio-weapons in our pathetic, disgraceful, misguided attempts to kill terrorists and "nation build". The day we do, if we do, I'm moving to Norway if at that time they're not smart enough to prohibit the immigration of US citizens. The nations that would use bio-weapons are the nations that don't have a large enough army to roam the world like a big dumb giant with a huge club, playing whack-a-mole, like the US and it's allies. We can exclude non-allies: China, Russia, and their military might from this discussion as they seem to be somewhat better at keeping their dogs chained up.
No less than that, we are (supposedly) one of two idiot nations that still keep small pox around, the other being Russia. Although it stands to reason that the UK and Israel probably have some too. I was thinking more along the lines of North Korea, Iran, anything ending in "stan", any state that could be called rogue, or any other bothersome nation with self-esteem issues combined with unstable\irresponsible leadership looking for a power trip over western, or at least westernized nations.
Or ar least vaccinate me against small pox... As it stands, only a few countries have the capability of all out world wide nuclear war, and I would like to believe those nations are smart enough to not start pressing big red buttons. An un-winnable end of all life as a deterrent scenario and all that. But any idiot country could potentially develop bio-weapons of mass destruction, and any idiot country is potentially short-sighted enough to unleash something they might not even fully understand. With nukes you can stop pressing buttons, but the right bio-weapons could potentially yield an unstoppable runaway process of slow, agonizing, world wide death.
You can still find n900 Nokia phones. They run Debian, X, you can even run a terminal as root. It's pretty much a full Linux install on a phone. It's only 3g and the keyboard is only 3 rows, but the screen is nice enough that running full applications like Open Office is not a bad experience. Admittedly, I know nothing about what carriers might support them though.
Seriously though, if they feel the need for such a mass firing of sysadmins due to a lack of trust, then the top brass know very well that they are doing serious wrong. They have discovered that people have morals and care about their country and the world at large, and based on those morals they cannot be trusted. Once again, thank you Snowden, thank you very much! I do wonder how many sysadmins this equals, which I'm sure is classified.
I won't say who, but a few years ago I had a temporary SQL admin contract with a very large company. I remember the day they hired a good 20+ people who's job it was to do nothing but post fake reviews and make fake blog posts all day long. The called it "Professional Blogging". I've been disgusted by the lack of ethics and misguided moral compass of companies before, but to actually see something like that go down really shocked and disgusted me to my core.
Well, I did say it was involuntary, but I will meditate on the Titanic analogy. To be honest, since I don't use any kind of Windows Whatever OS or MS anything, I would just assume purge my mind of the whole mess. Time to go listen to some Tibetan Bowls on my MacBook, or maybe my Slackware box, or my Android...
Every time I read a story about the failure of win8\RT I am greeted by an involuntary image in my mind of Balmer piloting the Hindenburg, and the disaster that followed. It amazes me that he is still in charge.
You are brave to post that from your regular account. Perhaps I am stupid to agree with you likewise... we shall see as this discussion unfolds. As far as maintaining a large standing military is concerned, you are right. However, I would just assume that we live in a world without a need for armies to begin with. War is evil and so is every reality that follows from it. Unfortunately I seem to have misplaced my rose colored glasses.
Modded up and down. That's funny. When I first pointed out the lack of a link, I was modded up. Someone added a link to the story now I'm getting modded down. Gotta love this crowd.
Ok, so I am extremely ill to the point I am dizzy and can barely read the summary. Am I so out of it that I am not seeing the link to the original article? Or did someone forget to add one yet it still made it to the front page?
When I say I'm planning, I'm not just saying it. I am developing a strategy that I will take as far as I have to. Why don't I elaborate here? Because this is a great place for the NSA to poke around, as most people here are leaning towards sedition. Don't want them to crash my non-violent party.
I am planning on doing something about it, or at least making a move. Nothing violent or illegal (yet illegal), but I am tired of sitting idly by while we fall into the abyss of a dystopia, and I won't do it any longer. I am so sick of this shit and am mad as hell. What am I planning? (again, nothing violent) You'll have to wait and see, but I have made the decision that I will not be irrelevant any longer and that I will be heard loudly on these matter, so don't accuse.
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I've been using it since I made the original post and it really is a big accomplishment. If I ever went back to using Linux full time, this would be my choice. There are a lot of naysayers here who haven't even taken the time to try it. Download it, fire up VirtualBox, run the ISO as a virtual live DVD, and be impressed. Interestingly enough, it even has drivers for every last little bit of hardware on my MacBook (yes, even wifi). I'm going to be installing a dedicated install on my Win 7 laptop and use it for the next week (except when I need to use my OS X only software), and see where things go. Maybe I'll write a review. Anyway, go for it, it's not like anyone here doesn't know how to get it up and running in a VM in five-minutes. Also, it's been amazing to watch people here (of all places) trash something just because it's a Linux project. Whatever happened?
Finally, to those who are upset that they are calling it it's own OS, do we not also refer to Android as it's own OS? So far, this appears far enough outside the norm of common distros to give the developers some room on this.
We call Android an OS.
I've been giving a spin all day, and I can tell you it is much more than an OS X themed window manager. I know that's not much of a review, and if I have time maybe I'll put one together, but I suggest you try it before knocking it - it's actually pretty wonderful.
It's not just the docks behavior or the slightly less similar menu bar across the top. They actually went so far as to copy expose functions and the music player looks exactly like the version of iTunes before the most recent update, even the file browser is an obvious and direct clone of the Finder. For crying out loud, the default wallpaper that the video starts out with is even the default wallpaper in OS X. And all that just from the video. Since I'm going to install it, I'm willing to bet the similarities don't even come close to stopping there. I am really super surprised at what a brazen OS X clone this is, even shocked they would go this far.
With all that said, and myself as someone who is a long time dedicated Mac user, I think it looks really freaking cool! I have been waiting for something like this and will be giving it a spin today. As someone who is also a long time Linux user, I'm about as excited as a six-year old on christmas morning to play with this new distro. Now if only I can drop that interface onto Slackware.
Also, as I scroll down their page, even that flows and looks exactly like an apple website product page, even the navigation bar at the top comes close to a clone of apple.com - interesting. They should steer this in the direction of making it a platform that integrates with Edge, much like iPhone (disclaimer: I use an Android) is integrated into Apple's platform. Anyway, going to download and install now, hope it lives up to what they are advertising.
They also blatantly copied expose and a host of other OS X functions. This is so brazen I'm a little shocked.
Talk about getting off topic though...
However, myself as an American, don't think for one second that I am not right now in the process of being radicalized against my own nation. Because I'm sick of so much shit, and I am. If the NSA is reading this: come get me motherfuckers, and prove my point.
Busted. You got me. It is true.
"Maybe if the big dumb giant stopped invading places the little guys would be less paranoid."
Agreed. Although I suspect my own government (USA) is too naive to see it that way. I wish we would take a more isolationist approach. After all, we personally trained Bin Laden in the early 80's to use as a tool for meddling in the affairs of other nations. That one act pretty much set the stage for the substantial majority of the violence we have in the world today. I often wonder what things would be like now if we hadn't set out to destabilize the Middle East. We need to just back off rather then attack what we created with the same bad logic we started with. Sigh...
No doubt about any of that, however, I find it unlikely that we would use nukes or bio-weapons in our pathetic, disgraceful, misguided attempts to kill terrorists and "nation build". The day we do, if we do, I'm moving to Norway if at that time they're not smart enough to prohibit the immigration of US citizens. The nations that would use bio-weapons are the nations that don't have a large enough army to roam the world like a big dumb giant with a huge club, playing whack-a-mole, like the US and it's allies. We can exclude non-allies: China, Russia, and their military might from this discussion as they seem to be somewhat better at keeping their dogs chained up.
No less than that, we are (supposedly) one of two idiot nations that still keep small pox around, the other being Russia. Although it stands to reason that the UK and Israel probably have some too. I was thinking more along the lines of North Korea, Iran, anything ending in "stan", any state that could be called rogue, or any other bothersome nation with self-esteem issues combined with unstable\irresponsible leadership looking for a power trip over western, or at least westernized nations.
Or ar least vaccinate me against small pox... As it stands, only a few countries have the capability of all out world wide nuclear war, and I would like to believe those nations are smart enough to not start pressing big red buttons. An un-winnable end of all life as a deterrent scenario and all that. But any idiot country could potentially develop bio-weapons of mass destruction, and any idiot country is potentially short-sighted enough to unleash something they might not even fully understand. With nukes you can stop pressing buttons, but the right bio-weapons could potentially yield an unstoppable runaway process of slow, agonizing, world wide death.
You can still find n900 Nokia phones. They run Debian, X, you can even run a terminal as root. It's pretty much a full Linux install on a phone. It's only 3g and the keyboard is only 3 rows, but the screen is nice enough that running full applications like Open Office is not a bad experience. Admittedly, I know nothing about what carriers might support them though.
Now they just need to gut the rest of the NSA.
Seriously though, if they feel the need for such a mass firing of sysadmins due to a lack of trust, then the top brass know very well that they are doing serious wrong. They have discovered that people have morals and care about their country and the world at large, and based on those morals they cannot be trusted. Once again, thank you Snowden, thank you very much! I do wonder how many sysadmins this equals, which I'm sure is classified.
I won't say who, but a few years ago I had a temporary SQL admin contract with a very large company. I remember the day they hired a good 20+ people who's job it was to do nothing but post fake reviews and make fake blog posts all day long. The called it "Professional Blogging". I've been disgusted by the lack of ethics and misguided moral compass of companies before, but to actually see something like that go down really shocked and disgusted me to my core.
Well, I did say it was involuntary, but I will meditate on the Titanic analogy. To be honest, since I don't use any kind of Windows Whatever OS or MS anything, I would just assume purge my mind of the whole mess. Time to go listen to some Tibetan Bowls on my MacBook, or maybe my Slackware box, or my Android...
Every time I read a story about the failure of win8\RT I am greeted by an involuntary image in my mind of Balmer piloting the Hindenburg, and the disaster that followed. It amazes me that he is still in charge.
You are brave to post that from your regular account. Perhaps I am stupid to agree with you likewise... we shall see as this discussion unfolds. As far as maintaining a large standing military is concerned, you are right. However, I would just assume that we live in a world without a need for armies to begin with. War is evil and so is every reality that follows from it. Unfortunately I seem to have misplaced my rose colored glasses.
English is a tragically flexible language if you haven't noticed. Words take on new meaning and shift in their meanings all the time. Just sayin'
Modded up and down. That's funny. When I first pointed out the lack of a link, I was modded up. Someone added a link to the story now I'm getting modded down. Gotta love this crowd.
Ok, so I am extremely ill to the point I am dizzy and can barely read the summary. Am I so out of it that I am not seeing the link to the original article? Or did someone forget to add one yet it still made it to the front page?
And the threat is our own government...
don't forget that humans have a tendency to not take threats seriously until it really happens.
Except it really is happening, right now.
When I say I'm planning, I'm not just saying it. I am developing a strategy that I will take as far as I have to. Why don't I elaborate here? Because this is a great place for the NSA to poke around, as most people here are leaning towards sedition. Don't want them to crash my non-violent party.
I am planning on doing something about it, or at least making a move. Nothing violent or illegal (yet illegal), but I am tired of sitting idly by while we fall into the abyss of a dystopia, and I won't do it any longer. I am so sick of this shit and am mad as hell. What am I planning? (again, nothing violent) You'll have to wait and see, but I have made the decision that I will not be irrelevant any longer and that I will be heard loudly on these matter, so don't accuse.