So you are saying that the ONLY way you can use your 1GB is at TPB? Rubbish. Nobody is taking away your bandwidth. And you have absolutely every right NOT to use an ISP. The internet is not oxygen - you won't die without it. Is someone holding a gun to your head, or a family member of yours hostage and forcing you to use an ISP that does content filtering?
You do not have an inherent right to access the internet for whatever purposes you see fit. A private company has the right to decide how they want to run their own company, as long as what they are doing is legal. If they make bad decisions, they won't be in business for long. I understand that the EU is not as business-centric as the USA is. But relying on the government to decide what the people want or don't want as opposed to the people deciding themselves seems like a bad principle to me.
But please, show me what gives you the God given right to unrestricted internet, and I will agree with you completely.
I don't assume TPB is evil, but I am smart enough and unwilling to be naive about what most people use it for primarily. And the courts did just decide that TPB was operating illegally, and I don't agree with their decision at all. So what do we do about that? But yes, an independent ISP has every right to block whatever they want. It is a BUSINESS decision, not a MORALITY decision.
To answer your question, I live in the USA. Everyone I know that is in an urban area has at least 2 choices for ISPs (Usually DSL or cable. I live in a city with about 400,000 people and I have at least 4 different choices). Sometimes they both suck, but there is still the choice. And really almost anywhere you are there is always satellite - which is expensive but we are talking about choice here, not cost. (With ISPs it seems to be fast, unfiltered/unlimited, and cheap - pick 2)
I think it is funny when people somehow think that everyone everywhere should have unlimited, cheap, fast internet. (Not saying you think this, just in general.) It's a great theory on paper, but who pays for the infrastructure? If we were to run fiber optic cable to all the rural areas in the USA it would cost way more money than any company could ever hope to recoup. So do we provide internet to everyone and have everyone absorb the costs? Would people be willing to pay triple what they pay now so farmers that are 100 miles from the city can surf the internet?
It was implicit in your statement. "I should be able to use it how I want" doesn't necessarily mean exclusively illegal activities, but it certainly doesn't rule them out. (And let's not pretend that 99% of people using TPB are there to download non-copyrighted materials they have permission to download. Sure, I have downloaded copyrighted stuff like everybody else but I'm not so naive to harbor illusions about it.)
Porn (most of it) is legal. SPAM and warez are not. And it is not "my logic". It is the ISPs "logic". I don't control what anybody does on the internet except myself. I am not supporting ISPs blocking anything. I am simply telling you what their stated position is. If you don't understand an enemies position, you have little hopes of defeating them. That said I am against censorship in almost every form, and think ISPs filtering anything is a very stupid decision. So please, don't try to explain "my logic" to me as i have a much better grasp of it than you do.
You also can't seem to understand that an ISP is an independent business. They have the right to make whatever decisions about what they choose to offer, or not offer. If you don't like it, you can choose not to use their services. There is no such thing as an "unalienable human right" to an ISP that doesn't filter anything. And there are ISPs who don't filter anything out there and available for people to choose. They may not always be the cheapest or fastest, but when you choose an ISP you have to weigh all the factors and decide which is the best for the purposes you need. ISPs are not "vigilantes" or "police" bent on controlling your morality. They are businesses trying to make a profit, and protect their assets how they see fit. Will they sometimes make decisions you or I don't agree with or like? Absolutely. You can't please all the people all the time.
And making that statement was my way of pointing out your statement didn't make any sense either. You can't demand to do illegal things, just because you paid some money.
ISPs are providers of service - and they get to chose exactly what they want to provide to you. If you don't like what they are offering, it is up to you to chose another provider.
It is up to US to tell them what to do (by voting with our money). They only get to tell us what to do if enough people don't care enough to switch providers.
Yeah but even using Daddy's credit card without his permission is fraud. Even if they chose not to prosecute you criminally you are looking at being grounded for a long time...
Considering all that customer data is to the company is a potential liability, why would any ISP in Sweden choose to retain that information?? Especially considering it is perfectly legal for them to get rid of it. Keeping the data around will do absolutely no good for the company, and could possibly harm their customers. Last I heard, you want to keep you customers happy if you want them to keep paying for your services.
"So if they obtained court authorization to deploy Sarin gas that'd be ok too right?"
Yep, it is called the gas chamber and it was last used in 1999 in Arizona. Capital punishment IS still legal in some states. Is it right? Hard question to answer, but it is still legal and that is what matters the most to governments.
"Are you saying that when the president does it then it's not a crime?"
Well, according to "Tricky" Dick Nixon, no when the president does it, it isn't a crime. Look how well that worked out for him! Bush claimed it was also true, and now Obama's group is making the same claim.
I have a diesel drive that I dropped in the street and was actually ran over at least once before I found it. The plastic case was cracked, there were nasty scratches on it, and the metal usb end was slightly bent. I carefully bent back the plug, and sure enough when I plugged it in, it was fine and I was able to retrieve all my data from it. Luckily it was an older lower capacity one, so I just threw the stuff that was on there on my newer one that had 8 times the capacity. I have also sent a Memorex drive through the wash twice, and that worked also. I did let it dry out for about a week before using it though (each time).
I know how it was explained. I was referring to the pretty hokey explanation given post-event trying to pass it off like they planned it that way all along. They didn't. Somebody screwed up and instead of admitting it, they made up a complex explanation.
The fact that you call Windows 7 "Vista SP2" shows you really aren't "in the know" about the new Windows 7 OS (and I would guess you have never used Vista on a regular basis as well). Funny that most people I know who rip Vista have never used it on a regular basis, and the few people I do know that use it daily complain about it very little. I was very apprehensive to install it myself, but after a few minor codec issues(which were mostly 64 bit issues and not Vista issues), it has been pretty stable for me. No driver, printer, or software issues so far. YMMV.
I hardly think pointing out that the government doesn't make changes fast is "buying kool-aid". (I think you may be the one still drunk off the fermented, leftover kool-aid.)
Personally, I think all politicians are slimy liars. Some may be slimier than others, but all are suspect.
So if you don't have anything else but anonymous, partisan, strawman attacks, I'll be off to lunch then.
It's only disappointing to those naive enough to think a big difference would happen overnight. To the small minority of us who understand how politics work, it is business as usual. The reality is that change only works at the speed of bureaucracy.
"You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck, a road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine."
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So you are saying that the ONLY way you can use your 1GB is at TPB? Rubbish. Nobody is taking away your bandwidth. And you have absolutely every right NOT to use an ISP. The internet is not oxygen - you won't die without it. Is someone holding a gun to your head, or a family member of yours hostage and forcing you to use an ISP that does content filtering?
You do not have an inherent right to access the internet for whatever purposes you see fit. A private company has the right to decide how they want to run their own company, as long as what they are doing is legal. If they make bad decisions, they won't be in business for long. I understand that the EU is not as business-centric as the USA is. But relying on the government to decide what the people want or don't want as opposed to the people deciding themselves seems like a bad principle to me.
But please, show me what gives you the God given right to unrestricted internet, and I will agree with you completely.
I don't assume TPB is evil, but I am smart enough and unwilling to be naive about what most people use it for primarily. And the courts did just decide that TPB was operating illegally, and I don't agree with their decision at all. So what do we do about that? But yes, an independent ISP has every right to block whatever they want. It is a BUSINESS decision, not a MORALITY decision.
To answer your question, I live in the USA. Everyone I know that is in an urban area has at least 2 choices for ISPs (Usually DSL or cable. I live in a city with about 400,000 people and I have at least 4 different choices). Sometimes they both suck, but there is still the choice. And really almost anywhere you are there is always satellite - which is expensive but we are talking about choice here, not cost. (With ISPs it seems to be fast, unfiltered/unlimited, and cheap - pick 2)
I think it is funny when people somehow think that everyone everywhere should have unlimited, cheap, fast internet. (Not saying you think this, just in general.) It's a great theory on paper, but who pays for the infrastructure? If we were to run fiber optic cable to all the rural areas in the USA it would cost way more money than any company could ever hope to recoup. So do we provide internet to everyone and have everyone absorb the costs? Would people be willing to pay triple what they pay now so farmers that are 100 miles from the city can surf the internet?
It was implicit in your statement. "I should be able to use it how I want" doesn't necessarily mean exclusively illegal activities, but it certainly doesn't rule them out. (And let's not pretend that 99% of people using TPB are there to download non-copyrighted materials they have permission to download. Sure, I have downloaded copyrighted stuff like everybody else but I'm not so naive to harbor illusions about it.)
Porn (most of it) is legal. SPAM and warez are not. And it is not "my logic". It is the ISPs "logic". I don't control what anybody does on the internet except myself. I am not supporting ISPs blocking anything. I am simply telling you what their stated position is. If you don't understand an enemies position, you have little hopes of defeating them. That said I am against censorship in almost every form, and think ISPs filtering anything is a very stupid decision. So please, don't try to explain "my logic" to me as i have a much better grasp of it than you do.
You also can't seem to understand that an ISP is an independent business. They have the right to make whatever decisions about what they choose to offer, or not offer. If you don't like it, you can choose not to use their services. There is no such thing as an "unalienable human right" to an ISP that doesn't filter anything. And there are ISPs who don't filter anything out there and available for people to choose. They may not always be the cheapest or fastest, but when you choose an ISP you have to weigh all the factors and decide which is the best for the purposes you need. ISPs are not "vigilantes" or "police" bent on controlling your morality. They are businesses trying to make a profit, and protect their assets how they see fit. Will they sometimes make decisions you or I don't agree with or like? Absolutely. You can't please all the people all the time.
And making that statement was my way of pointing out your statement didn't make any sense either. You can't demand to do illegal things, just because you paid some money.
ISPs are providers of service - and they get to chose exactly what they want to provide to you. If you don't like what they are offering, it is up to you to chose another provider.
It is up to US to tell them what to do (by voting with our money). They only get to tell us what to do if enough people don't care enough to switch providers.
If I pay $100 for a handgun, I demand I get to shoot whoever I see fit.
Who are you to tell me how to use my handgun?
Yeah but even using Daddy's credit card without his permission is fraud. Even if they chose not to prosecute you criminally you are looking at being grounded for a long time...
How about learning a little HTML and making proper hyperlinks? Cutting and pasting is for suckers.
Considering all that customer data is to the company is a potential liability, why would any ISP in Sweden choose to retain that information?? Especially considering it is perfectly legal for them to get rid of it. Keeping the data around will do absolutely no good for the company, and could possibly harm their customers. Last I heard, you want to keep you customers happy if you want them to keep paying for your services.
"So if they obtained court authorization to deploy Sarin gas that'd be ok too right?"
Yep, it is called the gas chamber and it was last used in 1999 in Arizona. Capital punishment IS still legal in some states. Is it right? Hard question to answer, but it is still legal and that is what matters the most to governments.
"Are you saying that when the president does it then it's not a crime?"
Well, according to "Tricky" Dick Nixon, no when the president does it, it isn't a crime. Look how well that worked out for him! Bush claimed it was also true, and now Obama's group is making the same claim.
I have a diesel drive that I dropped in the street and was actually ran over at least once before I found it. The plastic case was cracked, there were nasty scratches on it, and the metal usb end was slightly bent. I carefully bent back the plug, and sure enough when I plugged it in, it was fine and I was able to retrieve all my data from it. Luckily it was an older lower capacity one, so I just threw the stuff that was on there on my newer one that had 8 times the capacity. I have also sent a Memorex drive through the wash twice, and that worked also. I did let it dry out for about a week before using it though (each time).
I know how it was explained. I was referring to the pretty hokey explanation given post-event trying to pass it off like they planned it that way all along. They didn't. Somebody screwed up and instead of admitting it, they made up a complex explanation.
The fact that you call Windows 7 "Vista SP2" shows you really aren't "in the know" about the new Windows 7 OS (and I would guess you have never used Vista on a regular basis as well). Funny that most people I know who rip Vista have never used it on a regular basis, and the few people I do know that use it daily complain about it very little. I was very apprehensive to install it myself, but after a few minor codec issues(which were mostly 64 bit issues and not Vista issues), it has been pretty stable for me. No driver, printer, or software issues so far. YMMV.
Because Slashdot says so. That's all you need to know.
Actually, a human heart could hold about 4-5 ounces of pudding if stuffed to capacity. But I wouldn't recommend it.
See also: making the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs
They are forming several committees right now to end the bureaucracy. But, you know, it may take some time. These things don't happen overnight.
Then you had better avoid downloading any "keygens" from TPB.
I hardly think pointing out that the government doesn't make changes fast is "buying kool-aid". (I think you may be the one still drunk off the fermented, leftover kool-aid.)
Personally, I think all politicians are slimy liars. Some may be slimier than others, but all are suspect.
So if you don't have anything else but anonymous, partisan, strawman attacks, I'll be off to lunch then.
It's only disappointing to those naive enough to think a big difference would happen overnight. To the small minority of us who understand how politics work, it is business as usual. The reality is that change only works at the speed of bureaucracy.
Because if you download enough of them, as opposed to buying them, it will pay for itself!!
We did grow up. Notice the results of the last Senate and Presidential elections?
Oh, snap!
"You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck, a road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine."
You are just bitter because Conficker has a higher market share than OS X and Linux combined. Don't be a hater!