Reasonable is actually usually determined by a Jury. Because jurors are believed to be reasonable people. If there is no Jury, I suppose it would be decided by a judge. In any case I know very few people who would consider calling the helpdesk of the persons emplyer when you already know their name a reasonable effort.
Your "or waited a reasonable time.." is not part of the law in the State of California or anywhere else I am aware of in the US. You should RTFA.
Section 485 of California Penal code. It does not require intent. It does require making a reasonable effort to return the phone. His actions clearly are not reasonable.
He should have been modded down because everything he said was not true, but alas that does not matter here.
To your most obvious untruth, the police routine and efficiently handle lost property. Several CA Police Departments even have web sites telling you to bring them any lost property because it is in fact the LAW.
Apparently your kids are not going to learn from you either since you believe "Jason Chen did nothing wrong". The accounts written by the people accused of the crime do not even agree with the story you presented here. They did not notify Apple and promptly return it. They disassembled it , posted it on their web site and then demanded written communication they could also post on their web site before they were willing to return it.
Your right:) I saw the story early somewhere else and did not even bother to read the summary after the headline that implied there is a backdoor into ipads.
I will mention it one more time just for fun. I have turned lost property into the police 2 times and they never laughed. They handle it professionally and efficiently. In both cases the items found there way back to the original owners.
Your whole post is just one big huh? The issues has nothing to do with anyone retracting anything or trying to suppress anything. The issue is a theft and the receiving of stolen property.
The Soviets were in fact upset, but decided it was not worth destroying the planet over. That is kind of how things go between super powers, you both get to do anything you want as long it falls beneath the threshold of making someone want to destroy the planet.
You really caught on to this Corporate person hood thing is same basic business law class. Unfortunately you do not understand what it means. Go back to your teacher and ask them to explain the limits of agency...
You have no understanding of California law. The law is quoted 17 times int this thread. Look it up and alleviate your ignorance.
If what Jason Chen and others at Gawker posted in their blog is accurate, Jason Chen did in fact purchase stolen merchandise. Given the value it is a felony in the State of California. He is welcome to sue me, I welcome the entertainment.
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Of Course his boss said if anyone at Gawker commits journalism, it was an accident.
Reasonable is actually usually determined by a Jury. Because jurors are believed to be reasonable people. If there is no Jury, I suppose it would be decided by a judge. In any case I know very few people who would consider calling the helpdesk of the persons emplyer when you already know their name a reasonable effort.
Your "or waited a reasonable time.." is not part of the law in the State of California or anywhere else I am aware of in the US. You should RTFA.
How is this drivel getting marked insightful.
He called the help desk. Considering he knew the name of the person that lost it, his effort could not be considered reasonable.
Section 485 of California Penal code. It does not require intent. It does require making a reasonable effort to return the phone. His actions clearly are not reasonable.
Civil law is still a law. Violating a civil law is in fact doing something illegal.
He should have been modded down because everything he said was not true, but alas that does not matter here.
To your most obvious untruth, the police routine and efficiently handle lost property. Several CA Police Departments even have web sites telling you to bring them any lost property because it is in fact the LAW.
The rest of his post was equally non-sensical.
I have lots of Karma to spare if you ever need more. But you owe me a cup of coffee.. And a keyboard.
I think had the finder had done that , nearly everyone would say he did the right thing.
Yes technically you were stealing. Your theft was fairly minor compared to a phone the thief valued at $5000.
Apparently your kids are not going to learn from you either since you believe "Jason Chen did nothing wrong". The accounts written by the people accused of the crime do not even agree with the story you presented here. They did not notify Apple and promptly return it. They disassembled it , posted it on their web site and then demanded written communication they could also post on their web site before they were willing to return it.
Well it kind of targets iPad users on Windows. I was being generous :)
Your right :) I saw the story early somewhere else and did not even bother to read the summary after the headline that implied there is a backdoor into ipads.
Yes the headline is true, but it is certainly misleading.
Gizmodo did not try to contact Apple before publishing their story. The thief claims to have called the AppleCare number.
At least read the stories on Gizmodo before trying to defend them.
I will mention it one more time just for fun. I have turned lost property into the police 2 times and they never laughed. They handle it professionally and efficiently. In both cases the items found there way back to the original owners.
He called the help desk in a clear attempt to make it look like he tried to return it. He made no "reasonable" attempt to return it.
You are correct. They purchased it knowing it was stolen.
Because they need to find out who handled the transaction so they know who to charge..
Your whole post is just one big huh? The issues has nothing to do with anyone retracting anything or trying to suppress anything. The issue is a theft and the receiving of stolen property.
The Soviets were in fact upset, but decided it was not worth destroying the planet over. That is kind of how things go between super powers, you both get to do anything you want as long it falls beneath the threshold of making someone want to destroy the planet.
Perhaps you kind of missed the Cold War.
Well the good news is, now everyone is. Just blog about your crime.
You really caught on to this Corporate person hood thing is same basic business law class. Unfortunately you do not understand what it means. Go back to your teacher and ask them to explain the limits of agency...
You have no understanding of California law. The law is quoted 17 times int this thread. Look it up and alleviate your ignorance.
If what Jason Chen and others at Gawker posted in their blog is accurate, Jason Chen did in fact purchase stolen merchandise. Given the value it is a felony in the State of California. He is welcome to sue me, I welcome the entertainment.
You clearly have no concept of the law, what agency is or really what you are talking about at all.