No, it just is not accounted for in the budget of the project. For instance, in the U.S. the National Science Foundation (NSF) often will not fund certain portions of a grant because it is expected that the research organiztion picks up those costs (i.e., for computing hardware, networking, rent, electricity, etc.). These costs are not accounted for in the NSF accounting for the project and can be significant depedning on the research being done. The research organization accounts for this, but NSF's cost (the gov't cost) is lower than the overall project cost. In reference to the projects of discussion, NASA may be accounting for more aspects of the project than the Indian government agency is accounting for in their reports.
Its not easy to compare costs for projects done by different governments. There are different accounting standards for what is "in" and "out" of the project costs. I know nothing about the rules in India, but in Europe, scientific / engineering labor is not included in the "project". I expect the Indian probe was less expensive than a comparable NASA probe, but maybe not by nearly as large a margin as it seems.
This doesn't detract from the mission being a great success for India.
There's also the quality and precision of the scientific equipment on board. I will have to go look but the missions of these probes are most likely very different and the equipment used could vary greatly based on what fidelity of data they hope to receive. Basically, there are A LOT of factors that could account for the difference in cost. Hell, if Maven has a nuclear power source, that alone could be tens if not hundreds of millions in cost.
You know that's a very good question along with what wireless technology are they going to use? At more than 10 miles up there are no consumer grade wireless technologies that will work that far unless it's direct point to point, not omni. If you look at how ranges for WiFi tech have not improved with their speeds over time, I don't see this happening. Even going LTE or some cell tech you could get, at most, 2-5 km, or about 3-3.5 miles max. They want to start field testing this in at most five years. I just don't see it happening and I think that to assume nothing goes wrong and these things will always stay at 60k-90k altitude is folly as well. The first one of these to stray into a commercial airline route and collides with a passenger jet and the whole concept goes crumbling down. And Google and Balloons! OMG, if one of those fell into a plane, what a mess! I think this is a good idea on paper that has no chance of becoming reality.
We worked hard for our money, maybe Africans (or any other nation)should try it.
Spoken like someone who has never left the country he lives in and only associates with people of his own economic status, i.e., an asshole. I hope you live a long and meaningless life and die alone with all your money. Just because people are poor doesn't mean they don't work hard, long hours in less than human conditions, you jerk. It means they are not paid a living wage and their "leaders" are disgusting, greedy tyrants.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Ebola is 100% transmissable to humans, as is. And no, the disease is not hard to catch. As a matter of fact it's as easy to catch as the common cold.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre...
The fatality rate has been reported to be around 60% for this strain, though that might only be for those that get some amount of medical care. Not sure.
Now, that 70% figure is based on those that have come forward for diagnosis and treatment. They predict that the number of actual infections may be two and a half times higher and change the fatality percentage by an indeterminate amount (it could easily be 90%).
Your concern for micromanagement by your own country's unelected bureaucrats is more important to you than the lives of literally millions of people.
Sierra Leone, Liberia, and some other West African countries have not proved to be reliable to apply aid money where it's intended.
There are, indeed, African countries to be trusted, even in West Africa, but last time I checked Ebola had not spread to Cape Verde.
Oh, as opposed to the Iraqi and Afghan ass clowns that were given billions and get military and economic aid from the U.S., still!?!?! Maybe if there were terrorists in these African nations they'd get some aid, is that what you're going for, or is it even more racist than that?
Why is this comment above me rated "Insightful"? It's the most egregiously hateful thing I have read in months. The U.S. has a cure and you wouldn't share that with the folks that need it unless there was profit involved? What kind of monster are you and those that voted you up?
the cellphones lane ends with a hole in the ground. So that all those idiots who are too busy looking down at their phone to look forward, fall in it and die.
Ummm, they're looking down and will see the hole. I think a nice beam about nose high so it hits them in the head might be more effective at getting their heads up and some poetic justice.
... seriously, sent the texting/chatting group into a lane that walks them right into traffic. That way, you address China's population problem, and you remove lots of idiots from the genepool (hopefully), or at least take out some of those who endanger the rest of us (I can only imagine how those types drive...). The one's who don't walk into traffic survive their Darwinism test.
If you look at the picture closely you will notice that they did make the sidewalk lane closer to traffic the one for the unobservant cell phone users. I do not think that was a mistake.
Wow, almost 800 comments and NO ONE even mentions the word "mythology" when speaking of religion. Atheists, like myself, reject mythoogy as "Truth". All religion is mythology. The Romans believed as hard about their Gods as modern Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Wickens, Satanists, etc. do about their current God or Gods. So did the Greeks, the Phoenicians, the Aztecs, the Egyptians, and all the societies that had religions before them. What do we call all those completely valid at the time beliefs today? Mythology. Why? Because it was replaced by a new more accepted one? Nope. Sorry. Don't buy it. Anything involving the supernatural is mythology, including all current religious texts. Sorry. They are books of parables.
Another thing that a lot of atheists exhibit is a lack of trust in "blind faith", the "because I said so" schtick. Again, no.
The morality argument is tired. If religion was so great at instilling morality then all criminals would be atheists. Enough said. STFU about religion and morality. More atrocious things have been done in the name of religion than for any other reason in human history since religions came about. Especially, the current Abrahamic sorts. We've got more than a few live demonstrations of this lunacy going on right now! Hypocrites, the lot of them.
I am also not missing anything by not having religion or some "higher belief" in my life. Meaning to life comes from inside you. The joy you take from what you do everyday. Knowing that we all live in a wonderful universe that is full of mystery. That there might be no limit to the things we still need to learn about our universe in order to understand it. Everyone has the capacity to find meaning in their own life no matter what their beliefs are. If the only meaning you derive from life comes from religion, then I am sad. There's plenty more places it can come from. The proof is all around.
P.S. To limit confusion I put the links in to definitions of words that may have different meanings to different people. I don't care what you think the word means I am going by what it means. When you invent your own language you decide what words mean. If we're using English we go by the definitions. I have also read most modern religious texts (for analysis and comprehension, not just skimmed and put down) including, Torah, Bible, Qu'ran, many Hindu texts and Buddhist texts. I have attended many denominations of services and rituals and enjoy learning above all. I am not closed minded and tend to make deliberate, educated decisions while keeping in mind that new information may change things in the future.
To the people who want to run Gnome3 on BSD: it sucks to have made a stupid choice. Wake up, kick it to hell and use a better DE or WM.
Or, stick to a command line on a server! Few people run BSD as a desktop OS. Most are servers and get the fscking GUI OFF THE DAMN THING AS YOU LEAVE MY LAWN!
Oops, just saw the binocular recommendations. [face palm] Of course that would be a much better choice and be useful for more than just star gazing. Might get them interested in optics in general, photography, etc. I'd go with a nice pair of $35-$65 10x50 binocs and a good app.
I'd go with the Orion SpaceProbe 3 Altazimuth Reflector Telescope. It's a more modernized version of the one I first used as a youngster. I think I still have it somewhere but will have to look. Aiming the thing is probably the hardest to learn with any telescope and I'd stress that to the children you are going to give this to. That's the number one thing that turns children off to telescopes is trying to find the desired object in the sky. It takes a lot of patience and practice and if the child doesn't have the personality characteristics they will lose interest quickly. Sky watching can be amazing good fun, especially now that there are good apps that can help you find things in the sky easily. That might be another thing you spring for, a good app (desktop or mobile) for them to use to help them find things to look at.
'snydeq' isn't a member of the community, he's a paid writer. Go look at his submissions v. comments. This whole site is a sham anymore. This will be my last logged in post. Complete troll bait anymore. Have fun being cogs in a money making scheme. Like Facebook they're done making money off me.
If these people have knowledge of a crime, aren't they legally obligated to report it to law enforcement?
Normally, one could claim no knowledge of a crime but in this case, they have announced that they have knowledge of crimes.
Depends on the laws in their HQ location, but in most civilized nations this is called extortion by Hold Security. They are most likely in the cross hairs of law enforcement as I type this. If this turns out to be a bogus or inflated claim (like it smells) they could face some serious criminal and civil charges, regardless of what country they are in.
Here's a question. What would happen if the beams traveled different distances? AKA, one beam took longer to reach the recombinator than the other. I can guess, but I have no clue about Quantum Mechanics.
So, go read more about the subject in your free time. There are s of freely available publications that cover the topic. I am not certain that the experiment would yield anything based on your hypothesis, not even the results being discussed. The most quantum experiments are predicated on a very specific set of conditions and why it hasn't been done before, accurately.
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No, it just is not accounted for in the budget of the project. For instance, in the U.S. the National Science Foundation (NSF) often will not fund certain portions of a grant because it is expected that the research organiztion picks up those costs (i.e., for computing hardware, networking, rent, electricity, etc.). These costs are not accounted for in the NSF accounting for the project and can be significant depedning on the research being done. The research organization accounts for this, but NSF's cost (the gov't cost) is lower than the overall project cost. In reference to the projects of discussion, NASA may be accounting for more aspects of the project than the Indian government agency is accounting for in their reports.
Its not easy to compare costs for projects done by different governments. There are different accounting standards for what is "in" and "out" of the project costs. I know nothing about the rules in India, but in Europe, scientific / engineering labor is not included in the "project". I expect the Indian probe was less expensive than a comparable NASA probe, but maybe not by nearly as large a margin as it seems.
This doesn't detract from the mission being a great success for India.
There's also the quality and precision of the scientific equipment on board. I will have to go look but the missions of these probes are most likely very different and the equipment used could vary greatly based on what fidelity of data they hope to receive. Basically, there are A LOT of factors that could account for the difference in cost. Hell, if Maven has a nuclear power source, that alone could be tens if not hundreds of millions in cost.
Come to think of it. I am surprised no commercial aircraft have been hit by falling space debris from dying satellites, given how much is up there.
Does the internet shut off at night, then?
You know that's a very good question along with what wireless technology are they going to use? At more than 10 miles up there are no consumer grade wireless technologies that will work that far unless it's direct point to point, not omni. If you look at how ranges for WiFi tech have not improved with their speeds over time, I don't see this happening. Even going LTE or some cell tech you could get, at most, 2-5 km, or about 3-3.5 miles max. They want to start field testing this in at most five years. I just don't see it happening and I think that to assume nothing goes wrong and these things will always stay at 60k-90k altitude is folly as well. The first one of these to stray into a commercial airline route and collides with a passenger jet and the whole concept goes crumbling down. And Google and Balloons! OMG, if one of those fell into a plane, what a mess! I think this is a good idea on paper that has no chance of becoming reality.
We worked hard for our money, maybe Africans (or any other nation)should try it.
Spoken like someone who has never left the country he lives in and only associates with people of his own economic status, i.e., an asshole. I hope you live a long and meaningless life and die alone with all your money. Just because people are poor doesn't mean they don't work hard, long hours in less than human conditions, you jerk. It means they are not paid a living wage and their "leaders" are disgusting, greedy tyrants.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Ebola is 100% transmissable to humans, as is. And no, the disease is not hard to catch. As a matter of fact it's as easy to catch as the common cold. http://www.who.int/mediacentre...
The fatality rate has been reported to be around 60% for this strain, though that might only be for those that get some amount of medical care. Not sure.
No, "The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks."
Regarding the current outbreak in West Africa: Early WHO reports suggested an overall case fatality rate (CFR) estimate of 53%,[10] considerably lower than an average of the rates reported from previous outbreaks,[11] but on 23 September, they released a revised overall CFR estimate of 70% derived using data from patients with definitive clinical outcomes.[12]
Now, that 70% figure is based on those that have come forward for diagnosis and treatment. They predict that the number of actual infections may be two and a half times higher and change the fatality percentage by an indeterminate amount (it could easily be 90%).
Don't quote wonky stats to this crowd.
Your concern for micromanagement by your own country's unelected bureaucrats is more important to you than the lives of literally millions of people.
Sierra Leone, Liberia, and some other West African countries have not proved to be reliable to apply aid money where it's intended.
There are, indeed, African countries to be trusted, even in West Africa, but last time I checked Ebola had not spread to Cape Verde.
Oh, as opposed to the Iraqi and Afghan ass clowns that were given billions and get military and economic aid from the U.S., still!?!?! Maybe if there were terrorists in these African nations they'd get some aid, is that what you're going for, or is it even more racist than that?
Why is this comment above me rated "Insightful"? It's the most egregiously hateful thing I have read in months. The U.S. has a cure and you wouldn't share that with the folks that need it unless there was profit involved? What kind of monster are you and those that voted you up?
You know when it's trolling click bait when you see:
An anonymous reader writes
...at the top of a /. summary.
the cellphones lane ends with a hole in the ground. So that all those idiots who are too busy looking down at their phone to look forward, fall in it and die.
Ummm, they're looking down and will see the hole. I think a nice beam about nose high so it hits them in the head might be more effective at getting their heads up and some poetic justice.
... seriously, sent the texting/chatting group into a lane that walks them right into traffic. That way, you address China's population problem, and you remove lots of idiots from the genepool (hopefully), or at least take out some of those who endanger the rest of us (I can only imagine how those types drive...). The one's who don't walk into traffic survive their Darwinism test.
If you look at the picture closely you will notice that they did make the sidewalk lane closer to traffic the one for the unobservant cell phone users. I do not think that was a mistake.
Wow, almost 800 comments and NO ONE even mentions the word "mythology" when speaking of religion. Atheists, like myself, reject mythoogy as "Truth". All religion is mythology. The Romans believed as hard about their Gods as modern Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Wickens, Satanists, etc. do about their current God or Gods. So did the Greeks, the Phoenicians, the Aztecs, the Egyptians, and all the societies that had religions before them. What do we call all those completely valid at the time beliefs today? Mythology. Why? Because it was replaced by a new more accepted one? Nope. Sorry. Don't buy it. Anything involving the supernatural is mythology, including all current religious texts. Sorry. They are books of parables.
Another thing that a lot of atheists exhibit is a lack of trust in "blind faith", the "because I said so" schtick. Again, no.
The morality argument is tired. If religion was so great at instilling morality then all criminals would be atheists. Enough said. STFU about religion and morality. More atrocious things have been done in the name of religion than for any other reason in human history since religions came about. Especially, the current Abrahamic sorts. We've got more than a few live demonstrations of this lunacy going on right now! Hypocrites, the lot of them.
I am also not missing anything by not having religion or some "higher belief" in my life. Meaning to life comes from inside you. The joy you take from what you do everyday. Knowing that we all live in a wonderful universe that is full of mystery. That there might be no limit to the things we still need to learn about our universe in order to understand it. Everyone has the capacity to find meaning in their own life no matter what their beliefs are. If the only meaning you derive from life comes from religion, then I am sad. There's plenty more places it can come from. The proof is all around.
P.S. To limit confusion I put the links in to definitions of words that may have different meanings to different people. I don't care what you think the word means I am going by what it means. When you invent your own language you decide what words mean. If we're using English we go by the definitions. I have also read most modern religious texts (for analysis and comprehension, not just skimmed and put down) including, Torah, Bible, Qu'ran, many Hindu texts and Buddhist texts. I have attended many denominations of services and rituals and enjoy learning above all. I am not closed minded and tend to make deliberate, educated decisions while keeping in mind that new information may change things in the future.
To the people who want to run Gnome3 on BSD: it sucks to have made a stupid choice. Wake up, kick it to hell and use a better DE or WM.
Or, stick to a command line on a server! Few people run BSD as a desktop OS. Most are servers and get the fscking GUI OFF THE DAMN THING AS YOU LEAVE MY LAWN!
Mod parent up. Most commenters are missing this point when replying to Zocalo's post. Why is he putting a GUI on a *NIX server?
Oops, just saw the binocular recommendations. [face palm] Of course that would be a much better choice and be useful for more than just star gazing. Might get them interested in optics in general, photography, etc. I'd go with a nice pair of $35-$65 10x50 binocs and a good app.
I'd go with the Orion SpaceProbe 3 Altazimuth Reflector Telescope. It's a more modernized version of the one I first used as a youngster. I think I still have it somewhere but will have to look. Aiming the thing is probably the hardest to learn with any telescope and I'd stress that to the children you are going to give this to. That's the number one thing that turns children off to telescopes is trying to find the desired object in the sky. It takes a lot of patience and practice and if the child doesn't have the personality characteristics they will lose interest quickly. Sky watching can be amazing good fun, especially now that there are good apps that can help you find things in the sky easily. That might be another thing you spring for, a good app (desktop or mobile) for them to use to help them find things to look at.
'snydeq' isn't a member of the community, he's a paid writer. Go look at his submissions v. comments. This whole site is a sham anymore. This will be my last logged in post. Complete troll bait anymore. Have fun being cogs in a money making scheme. Like Facebook they're done making money off me.
Andrew Oliver? The shit mountain of self-importance? Still hasn't died of a heart attack? WhyTF is this on /.? Has this website really sunk that far?
In a word, "Yup."
If these people have knowledge of a crime, aren't they legally obligated to report it to law enforcement?
Normally, one could claim no knowledge of a crime but in this case, they have announced that they have knowledge of crimes.
Depends on the laws in their HQ location, but in most civilized nations this is called extortion by Hold Security. They are most likely in the cross hairs of law enforcement as I type this. If this turns out to be a bogus or inflated claim (like it smells) they could face some serious criminal and civil charges, regardless of what country they are in.
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I think you're high as a kite and full of shite!
Pulverisation, preferrably by hammer on concrete slab, in absence of a suitable anvil; maybe Acme brand.
Drill press. 'nuf said.
Here's a question. What would happen if the beams traveled different distances? AKA, one beam took longer to reach the recombinator than the other. I can guess, but I have no clue about Quantum Mechanics.
So, go read more about the subject in your free time. There are s of freely available publications that cover the topic. I am not certain that the experiment would yield anything based on your hypothesis, not even the results being discussed. The most quantum experiments are predicated on a very specific set of conditions and why it hasn't been done before, accurately.