The back button allows me to quckly go back to what I was doing before. It's function when closing programs differs from the home button for some very good reasons. For Example, if I open a link from Mail to the browser, when I'm done reading I may want to go to my home screen, in which case I press home. If I want to go back to my mail, as I so frequently do I press the back button.
If anything, not having a back button is a design and user friendliness mistake.
having a dedicated back button does not fit all scenarios and leads to ambiguous choices
Wrong, the back button does what it says it does, goes back. If you're going back to the home screen, it closes the program.
I'm beginning to think you've never used Android, if you think the function of the back button is the least bit ambiguous.
A good example is Android's camera camera roll switching which is/was (I haven't looked at ICS) fundamentally broken and not user friendly.
Your example lacks an example, you failed to mention what the back button does in this scenario. You're making an assumption with no evidence presented to back it up and expecting us to accept it prima facie.
Once again, you're demonstrating you've never used Android here. In the camera application pressing back, closes the application (I.E. goes back to the application you were using before). In the Gallery application it takes you back to the previous folder, if you're in the root folder, it closes the application. Pretty damn consistent and predictable behaviour for a back button.
Stepping back a bit and thinking about it,
Stepping back and thinking about it, it's clear you dont have a point or a clue about how to use Android, the most obvious conclusion is that you've never used Android and are making this all up.
The back button does exactly what it says it does. There is no ambiguity here.
Whoever modded this up should be ashamed of themselves, but this thread has pretty much become an Apple love fest anyway.
Tegra 3 is faster than the A5? Whoopty-doo. You know why Apple is winning the tablet and phone market?
LOL,
Apple is not winning the phone market, Android is.
As for the tablet market, they have a virtual monopoly that it will take one good Android release to break completely. This is why they are trying to get injunctions against Samsung in how many different countries, they are afraid the Samsung Galaxy Tab is that release the breaks them.
Do you know why Android is winning in the phone market, because people are sick of being told NO by Apple when they want to do something.
Hint - Apple doesn't let carriers put things on its phones...
Nope, Apple does it for them. Hence why they can charge you for tethering. Apple made it possible for carriers to remotely control that feature and enforce it by ensuring no tethering applications are persona non grata from the app store and any other source of applications are denied to Iphone users. Even if I buy an Iphone outright and unlocked, carriers still have this functionality.
Personally, I'd rather have the carriers control the phone because it means I can easily gain the same level of control not to mention being able to buy a stock standard phone outright that is already completely beyond their control.
If anything, this demonstrates why Free Software alone is not the answer. In this case, the closed-source iOS is actually respecting your privacy more than the Open Source Android.
With Apple's history of tracking, that statement is laughable. Google sought user permissions before collecting data.
But CarrierIQ is not a part of Android, it's not a function installed by HTC, it's a function installed by US carriers (yet to find it on an Australian phone). But remember that if this had not had been discovered on Android, it would never have been discovered on IOS.
You still think that code is the answer, but it isn't. Dennis Richie demonstrated long ago how even access to the full source doesn't make you safe.
Here you're using a logical fallacy. You're treating "safe" as a binary concept, implying if you're not 100% safe, you are 100% unsafe. This is not the case.
Having access to the code does not guarantee security nor provide absolute security, but it does give you greater security by being able to interrogate the code and find out what it's doing. With Closed Soruce, you're taking the manufacturers word that they aren't doing anything untoward and this is it. You get the same gaurantee with Open Source, but with Open Source you also get to see the code for yourself.
This is a place where actually the legal solution is simpler, easier and more reliable than the technical one for carriers to circumvent and ignore.
Fixed that for you.
CarrierIQ has been around for years before Android or IOS (company started in 2005) and their software is borderline illegal already in the US, it's well and truly illegal in other jurisdictions. It's pretty obvious already that the carriers using CarrierIQ dont care about nor fear the law in this regard. If new laws were introduced, they would still be as infective and closed source would make it easier for them to hide what is actually being recorded. In addition to this, a court case will take years and in the end, they'll get a slap on the wrist and keep doing because it's more profitable and class actions aren't that costly.
Further more, US carriers are more effective at influencing lawmakers then US citizens. Any further laws would only serve to help the telco's collecting information.
Speaking of Motorola, so far I haven't heard of one single phone from them that has CIQ on it. My Motorola XPRT certainly doesn't have it (I used Trevor's tools to check) nor does the Verizon equivalent (Droid Pro). More power to them.
Why are people blaming the manufacturers, its the telco's that are doing this. The name CarrierIQ should give it away.
I've tested a Vodafone AU branded Desire HD a Telstra (AU) branded Galaxy S as well as an unbranded Galaxy S II, guess which of them had CarrierIQ.
None did, none at all.
If this has appeared on IOS, it's pretty damning evidence that either Apple doesn't have as much control over their product as people think or are complicit in this act. Android being open is a pretty watertight defence for Google and HTC/Moto/Samsung et al.
got a gigabyte 560 ti oc last month for bf3, totally blew the 285 away. I know you feeling man. Having a 285 was awesome but man, the 560ti runs cool and oc very well. Give it a try and smile:)
Yeah, it's summer here so a cooler card would be great.
But I just bought a 1920x1200 monitor, so that old 285 is going to show it's age real soon.
It should be noted that CarrierIQ is not Google and is not related to Google. This is a third party which makes a rootkit/spyware app that carriers have installed on handsets that they sell (it is not part of a vanilla Android install).
It should also be noted, Google has no deals with CarrierIQ, this software is installed by the carriers, not by Google.
Yeah, no kidding. The "bury brigade" problem is inherent to almost all "community modding" systems.
It's inherent to the human psyche. People naturally want their own biases to be confirmed and by extent, confirm their own bias by confirming similar bias' from others.
But it is a big problem for online communities. Smaller forums can handle being moderated by 3 or 4 people, but larger forums, either a lot goes unmoderated or there are too many moderators. Of course with this system, you are still subject to the bias of the mods and I've seen about 2 general interest forums that can manage a relatively unbiased mod team (of course I have to consider that this may mean I simply agreed with the moderators bias).
Slashdot has the "higher percentage chance" for high-karma posters, but that's not really helpful for two reasons. First, because most high-karma posters would rather post something insightful on a particular topic of interest, and aren't allowed to mod on the same discussion where they comment - thus, most high-karma posters either never use their mod points, or wind up cancelling their mods when they see something that makes them want to post instead. Second, because even if you run only one high-karma account, you mathematically have less chance of mod points and less modpoint-holding capacity
Slashdot doesn't have as much of a problem with the bury brigades as other forums due to some checks and balances on the moderation system (meta-moderation and probably others we aren't aware of). I'm convinced someone who spends a majority of their mod points on down mods wont get more any time soon. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not the norm.
I personally try to avoid downmodding, rather I'll find a response I agree with and mod it up or ignore the comment (Like an adult boss). I only downmod people who are actually trolls or flame baiting. I prefer to think of my mod points as rewards for good behaviour rather then punishment for bad behaviour. I think this how the system is meant to be used. I do tend to get a lot of mod points, there are several factors in this, I've been around a few years, I contribute a fair bit, I get modded up more then I get modded down and so forth, but I also (from my perspective) spend my mod points fairly and would not object to scrutiny. Point in short, in order to get mod points you have to be an active, constructive member, so ghost accounts require a lot of maintenance (plus you can spot noob ghost's because the post an identical or near identical comment under different users on the same thread).
Now if/. does have mod system problem, it is with fanboy moderation.
- Fanboy A mods up Fanboy's B and C.
- Fanboy B remembers this and mods up Fanboy A and D.
- Fanboy A and D both mod up each other and Fanboy B and C.
Thus there is an endless cycle of mod points being passed between fanboys, the "friend or foe" system makes this easier then it should be. Whilst Apple fanboys are the worst (most numerous of the rabid zealots) they aren't the only examples, Google/Android fanboys, Microsoft fanboys, Linux Zealots who use the unspent mod points to continually mod down any dissension but because they get a lot of +5 Insightfuls (note: insightful is the first option on the moderation drop down list) they maintain high Karma despite meta-moderation.
This has gotten a lot better in recent months though.
But stepping back to bury brigade, I'd like to highlight one case, Lars T, whilst I frequently disagreed with Lars and thought he was a bit of a pillock, I thoroughly disagree with the downmod campaign against him. I think this case is the exception, but I'm well aware of what happened. If anything, people who frequently downmod shout be pointed out, especially if they are picking on a single user, as was the case with Lars T. The average mod user gets 5 mod points (good mod users get 15), if you go back through a users history you can do a lot of damage, moderation of discussions should be terminated after a certain period of time.
I bought a 560 Ti just a month ago and now this? FFFFFFfffffffffff...
I knew NVidia were doing this six weeks ago. So I didn't buy a 560 Ti in the lead up to BF3.
But look on the bright side AC, you still own a pretty good graphics card. I'm still on my 3yr old GF 285.
I considered he might be posting it ironically.. but he got modded informative, and his other links seem serious.
I can see you're new here (relatively speaking by your UID).
A few years ago,/. removed the Karma bonus from the +1 Funny mod so a lot of mods, especially us in the "pre-6 digits" club tend to use +1 informative instead to preserve the pre-change status quo.
That and Informative is the first selection in the moderation drop down and some people are lazy/dont think.
The danger is that you cannot have premium brands without trademark law. It would become impossible to build a reputation as a company. Only people would be able to build reputations, and only in cases where there is direct contact between people.
How is that dangerous to consumers?
Or anyone really?
Whilst anti-counterfeiting is a "protection" that does not imply counterfeiting is a danger. It's up to brands to protect themselves, not to make me pay for their protection nor the law to shut down any one. Trademark and copyright were traditionally civil cases.
Companies that people here care about that would be bankrupt in a heartbeat without trademark law would include apple, lenovo, redhat, canonical,
LOL.
Keep telling yourself that. Apple especially, if people weren't willing to overpay for the brand, they would have gone out of business a decade ago.
As for Canonical or RedHat, these business don't sell products in so far, they sell services and that is where their money comes from. So how do you counterfeit that?
Your last statement is a pretty clear indication you haven't thought about what you've said.
Oh, the irony! (for those who don't wanna click even on a Wikipedia link: Baidu is a Chinese search engine and is one, and probably the, worst at censorship of all search engines.)
Protect consumer from what? What is so dangerous in a cheap counterfeit Coco Channel purse or a Rolex replica?
OK, a serious answer, there are dangerous goods that can cause harm. Poorly made products that can be explosive, combustible, toxic or otherwise harmful. But despite the cries to the contrary, most counterfeit goods do not fall into this catagory. Most products that fit into this catagory are filtered out using existing import laws designed to prevent the importation of goods that are explosive, combustible, toxic or otherwise harmful (think of the Chinese milk that was combined with melamine).
There are some stories going around the Mainstream Media here in OZ about how cheap imported phones (most agencies said cheap, not counterfeit) are anything from "fire risks" to "potentially explosive". I suppose it's just a coincidence that the big phone manufacturers/telco's have just started their Chrimbo advertising blitz. Oh how much I hate this time of year.
Just to be more of a pedant, Supreme Courts aren't really below the Federal Court. You can't appeal a decision of a Supreme Court to the Federal Court. They're different jurisdictions.
Apple has money to spare. And the damage is already done. With the Christmas shopping started, early buyers would have settled on the Ipad2 instead of the Galaxy Tab as gifts. Question now is whether there enought Galaxy Tabs in stock for the rest of the Christmas season
A lot of Australians would not have even started shopping yet.
There's a psycological barrier for a lot of people, that Christmas does not start until December so a lot of people dont start Christmas shopping until December.
The smart ones (raises hand) got their Chrimbo shopping over and done with months ago, but I still have to shop for food and I hate the shops at this time of year.
Absolute bottom is SMS message my phone. I will ignore you for 7 days if you SMS me.
The problem is, SMS is a very good method of communication when used correctly. SMS's are for information I need to pass on to you or anything I need to go directly to you but does not require an immediate answer. I.E. I would SMS a new password to a user, I dont expect nor require a response to that and it's faster and easier then a phone call.
Apple managed to get a stay in the lifting of the ban until 4pm Friday, to give them enough time to get an urgent High Court hearing, so the way isn't clear for Samsung just yet.
I highly doubt Apple will get a High Court hearing, let alone one tomorrow given the fact the actual alleged infringement case is ongoing in the Federal Court. This case was just over the injunction.
A few Aussie retailers have already started advertising the SGT for sale. Kogan for example is offering the SGT for A$50 or more cheaper then the equivalent Ipads (which Kogan also sell).
Also, I find it interesting that in Australia, their supreme court takes cases like this. That could just be me being american though:/
The supreme court is the highest court in each state, but below the federal court (I.E. Supreme Court of Western Australia or Supreme Court of Victoria).
But the submitter had it wrong, this case was heard in the Federal Court of Australia who normally deals with corporate issues, trade practices, Industrial Relations and the like.
Apple have made an appeal to the High Court of Australia which is the highest court in Australia. The High Court has no mandate to automatically hear cases, so if the High Court feel's Apple is wasting their time any appeal will be denied.
What's important about this victory is that the evidence was heard by 3 Justices, not just one as was the case with the first injunction hearing and it was found by the three Justices that the original injunction was in error. The case still stands, Apple is still suing Samsung over alleged patent infringement, this hearing was only over the injunction. But this gives us an indication that there is some sanity in the Australian court system.
If you send me an email, that email will sit there patiently waiting for me until i have the time to look at it...
Received: 13:24 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:29 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: RE: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:33 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: RE: RE: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:35 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: RE: RE: RE: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:38 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: RE: RE: RE: RE: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:39 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: Bert, are you there Bert, WHY WONT YOU ANSWER MY EMAIL.
Not that I disagree with your point, Email has it's place amongst our communications tools, but some people (OK a lot of people) misuse it. This is no excuse to get rid of it.
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As a customer, choice is good.
As a consumer, some choice is good. Lots of choice is bad.
Nope, lack of choice is bad. Too much choice only separates the men from the boys and is never a bad thing.
Erm, no.
The back button allows me to quckly go back to what I was doing before. It's function when closing programs differs from the home button for some very good reasons. For Example, if I open a link from Mail to the browser, when I'm done reading I may want to go to my home screen, in which case I press home. If I want to go back to my mail, as I so frequently do I press the back button.
If anything, not having a back button is a design and user friendliness mistake.
Wrong, the back button does what it says it does, goes back. If you're going back to the home screen, it closes the program.
I'm beginning to think you've never used Android, if you think the function of the back button is the least bit ambiguous.
Your example lacks an example, you failed to mention what the back button does in this scenario. You're making an assumption with no evidence presented to back it up and expecting us to accept it prima facie. Once again, you're demonstrating you've never used Android here. In the camera application pressing back, closes the application (I.E. goes back to the application you were using before). In the Gallery application it takes you back to the previous folder, if you're in the root folder, it closes the application. Pretty damn consistent and predictable behaviour for a back button.
Stepping back and thinking about it, it's clear you dont have a point or a clue about how to use Android, the most obvious conclusion is that you've never used Android and are making this all up.
The back button does exactly what it says it does. There is no ambiguity here.
Whoever modded this up should be ashamed of themselves, but this thread has pretty much become an Apple love fest anyway.
*sigh*
Tegra 3 is faster than the A5? Whoopty-doo. You know why Apple is winning the tablet and phone market?
LOL, Apple is not winning the phone market, Android is.
As for the tablet market, they have a virtual monopoly that it will take one good Android release to break completely. This is why they are trying to get injunctions against Samsung in how many different countries, they are afraid the Samsung Galaxy Tab is that release the breaks them.
Do you know why Android is winning in the phone market, because people are sick of being told NO by Apple when they want to do something.
Hint - Apple doesn't let carriers put things on its phones...
Nope, Apple does it for them. Hence why they can charge you for tethering. Apple made it possible for carriers to remotely control that feature and enforce it by ensuring no tethering applications are persona non grata from the app store and any other source of applications are denied to Iphone users. Even if I buy an Iphone outright and unlocked, carriers still have this functionality.
Personally, I'd rather have the carriers control the phone because it means I can easily gain the same level of control not to mention being able to buy a stock standard phone outright that is already completely beyond their control.
With Apple's history of tracking, that statement is laughable. Google sought user permissions before collecting data.
But CarrierIQ is not a part of Android, it's not a function installed by HTC, it's a function installed by US carriers (yet to find it on an Australian phone). But remember that if this had not had been discovered on Android, it would never have been discovered on IOS.
You still think that code is the answer, but it isn't. Dennis Richie demonstrated long ago how even access to the full source doesn't make you safe.
Here you're using a logical fallacy. You're treating "safe" as a binary concept, implying if you're not 100% safe, you are 100% unsafe. This is not the case.
Having access to the code does not guarantee security nor provide absolute security, but it does give you greater security by being able to interrogate the code and find out what it's doing. With Closed Soruce, you're taking the manufacturers word that they aren't doing anything untoward and this is it. You get the same gaurantee with Open Source, but with Open Source you also get to see the code for yourself.
Fixed that for you.
CarrierIQ has been around for years before Android or IOS (company started in 2005) and their software is borderline illegal already in the US, it's well and truly illegal in other jurisdictions. It's pretty obvious already that the carriers using CarrierIQ dont care about nor fear the law in this regard. If new laws were introduced, they would still be as infective and closed source would make it easier for them to hide what is actually being recorded. In addition to this, a court case will take years and in the end, they'll get a slap on the wrist and keep doing because it's more profitable and class actions aren't that costly.
Further more, US carriers are more effective at influencing lawmakers then US citizens. Any further laws would only serve to help the telco's collecting information.
Speaking of Motorola, so far I haven't heard of one single phone from them that has CIQ on it. My Motorola XPRT certainly doesn't have it (I used Trevor's tools to check) nor does the Verizon equivalent (Droid Pro). More power to them.
Why are people blaming the manufacturers, its the telco's that are doing this. The name CarrierIQ should give it away.
I've tested a Vodafone AU branded Desire HD a Telstra (AU) branded Galaxy S as well as an unbranded Galaxy S II, guess which of them had CarrierIQ.
None did, none at all.
If this has appeared on IOS, it's pretty damning evidence that either Apple doesn't have as much control over their product as people think or are complicit in this act. Android being open is a pretty watertight defence for Google and HTC/Moto/Samsung et al.
got a gigabyte 560 ti oc last month for bf3, totally blew the 285 away. I know you feeling man. Having a 285 was awesome but man, the 560ti runs cool and oc very well. Give it a try and smile :)
Yeah, it's summer here so a cooler card would be great.
But I just bought a 1920x1200 monitor, so that old 285 is going to show it's age real soon.
It should be noted that CarrierIQ is not Google and is not related to Google. This is a third party which makes a rootkit/spyware app that carriers have installed on handsets that they sell (it is not part of a vanilla Android install).
It should also be noted, Google has no deals with CarrierIQ, this software is installed by the carriers, not by Google.
It's inherent to the human psyche. People naturally want their own biases to be confirmed and by extent, confirm their own bias by confirming similar bias' from others.
But it is a big problem for online communities. Smaller forums can handle being moderated by 3 or 4 people, but larger forums, either a lot goes unmoderated or there are too many moderators. Of course with this system, you are still subject to the bias of the mods and I've seen about 2 general interest forums that can manage a relatively unbiased mod team (of course I have to consider that this may mean I simply agreed with the moderators bias).
Slashdot has the "higher percentage chance" for high-karma posters, but that's not really helpful for two reasons. First, because most high-karma posters would rather post something insightful on a particular topic of interest, and aren't allowed to mod on the same discussion where they comment - thus, most high-karma posters either never use their mod points, or wind up cancelling their mods when they see something that makes them want to post instead. Second, because even if you run only one high-karma account, you mathematically have less chance of mod points and less modpoint-holding capacity
Slashdot doesn't have as much of a problem with the bury brigades as other forums due to some checks and balances on the moderation system (meta-moderation and probably others we aren't aware of). I'm convinced someone who spends a majority of their mod points on down mods wont get more any time soon. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not the norm.
/. does have mod system problem, it is with fanboy moderation.
I personally try to avoid downmodding, rather I'll find a response I agree with and mod it up or ignore the comment (Like an adult boss). I only downmod people who are actually trolls or flame baiting. I prefer to think of my mod points as rewards for good behaviour rather then punishment for bad behaviour. I think this how the system is meant to be used. I do tend to get a lot of mod points, there are several factors in this, I've been around a few years, I contribute a fair bit, I get modded up more then I get modded down and so forth, but I also (from my perspective) spend my mod points fairly and would not object to scrutiny. Point in short, in order to get mod points you have to be an active, constructive member, so ghost accounts require a lot of maintenance (plus you can spot noob ghost's because the post an identical or near identical comment under different users on the same thread).
Now if
- Fanboy A mods up Fanboy's B and C.
- Fanboy B remembers this and mods up Fanboy A and D.
- Fanboy A and D both mod up each other and Fanboy B and C.
Thus there is an endless cycle of mod points being passed between fanboys, the "friend or foe" system makes this easier then it should be. Whilst Apple fanboys are the worst (most numerous of the rabid zealots) they aren't the only examples, Google/Android fanboys, Microsoft fanboys, Linux Zealots who use the unspent mod points to continually mod down any dissension but because they get a lot of +5 Insightfuls (note: insightful is the first option on the moderation drop down list) they maintain high Karma despite meta-moderation.
This has gotten a lot better in recent months though.
But stepping back to bury brigade, I'd like to highlight one case, Lars T, whilst I frequently disagreed with Lars and thought he was a bit of a pillock, I thoroughly disagree with the downmod campaign against him. I think this case is the exception, but I'm well aware of what happened. If anything, people who frequently downmod shout be pointed out, especially if they are picking on a single user, as was the case with Lars T. The average mod user gets 5 mod points (good mod users get 15), if you go back through a users history you can do a lot of damage, moderation of discussions should be terminated after a certain period of time.
I bought a 560 Ti just a month ago and now this? FFFFFFfffffffffff...
I knew NVidia were doing this six weeks ago. So I didn't buy a 560 Ti in the lead up to BF3. But look on the bright side AC, you still own a pretty good graphics card. I'm still on my 3yr old GF 285.
I considered he might be posting it ironically.. but he got modded informative, and his other links seem serious.
I can see you're new here (relatively speaking by your UID).
/. removed the Karma bonus from the +1 Funny mod so a lot of mods, especially us in the "pre-6 digits" club tend to use +1 informative instead to preserve the pre-change status quo.
A few years ago,
That and Informative is the first selection in the moderation drop down and some people are lazy/dont think.
The danger is that you cannot have premium brands without trademark law. It would become impossible to build a reputation as a company. Only people would be able to build reputations, and only in cases where there is direct contact between people.
How is that dangerous to consumers? Or anyone really?
Whilst anti-counterfeiting is a "protection" that does not imply counterfeiting is a danger. It's up to brands to protect themselves, not to make me pay for their protection nor the law to shut down any one. Trademark and copyright were traditionally civil cases.
Companies that people here care about that would be bankrupt in a heartbeat without trademark law would include apple, lenovo, redhat, canonical,
LOL. Keep telling yourself that. Apple especially, if people weren't willing to overpay for the brand, they would have gone out of business a decade ago.
As for Canonical or RedHat, these business don't sell products in so far, they sell services and that is where their money comes from. So how do you counterfeit that?
Your last statement is a pretty clear indication you haven't thought about what you've said.
Struth! "Chrimbo" is taking aussie slanging words to a a ridiculous extreme.
Fair suck of the sav.
It's British slang, although we seem to be getting more Pom's in Australia by the day
The judge has simply ordered that the pipes be flushed.
Judge found pouring Drain-o into an Ethernet port.
Oh, the irony! (for those who don't wanna click even on a Wikipedia link: Baidu is a Chinese search engine and is one, and probably the, worst at censorship of all search engines.)
How do you say "WOOOOSH" in Mandarin?
Protect consumer from what? What is so dangerous in a cheap counterfeit Coco Channel purse or a Rolex replica?
OK, a serious answer, there are dangerous goods that can cause harm. Poorly made products that can be explosive, combustible, toxic or otherwise harmful. But despite the cries to the contrary, most counterfeit goods do not fall into this catagory. Most products that fit into this catagory are filtered out using existing import laws designed to prevent the importation of goods that are explosive, combustible, toxic or otherwise harmful (think of the Chinese milk that was combined with melamine).
There are some stories going around the Mainstream Media here in OZ about how cheap imported phones (most agencies said cheap, not counterfeit) are anything from "fire risks" to "potentially explosive". I suppose it's just a coincidence that the big phone manufacturers/telco's have just started their Chrimbo advertising blitz. Oh how much I hate this time of year.
They're banning illegal counterfeit goods to protect consumers
Protect consumer from what? What is so dangerous in a cheap counterfeit Coco Channel purse or a Rolex replica?
They protect you by ensuring that the corporations you serve can make more profit from the meagre pittances they pay you.
Now stop arguing and go buy something like a good little serf, consumerism brings victory or some such.
Just to be more of a pedant, Supreme Courts aren't really below the Federal Court. You can't appeal a decision of a Supreme Court to the Federal Court. They're different jurisdictions.
--Q
To be fair, I was trying to keep it simple.
Apple has money to spare. And the damage is already done. With the Christmas shopping started, early buyers would have settled on the Ipad2 instead of the Galaxy Tab as gifts. Question now is whether there enought Galaxy Tabs in stock for the rest of the Christmas season
A lot of Australians would not have even started shopping yet.
There's a psycological barrier for a lot of people, that Christmas does not start until December so a lot of people dont start Christmas shopping until December.
The smart ones (raises hand) got their Chrimbo shopping over and done with months ago, but I still have to shop for food and I hate the shops at this time of year.
The problem is, SMS is a very good method of communication when used correctly. SMS's are for information I need to pass on to you or anything I need to go directly to you but does not require an immediate answer. I.E. I would SMS a new password to a user, I dont expect nor require a response to that and it's faster and easier then a phone call.
Apple managed to get a stay in the lifting of the ban until 4pm Friday, to give them enough time to get an urgent High Court hearing, so the way isn't clear for Samsung just yet.
I highly doubt Apple will get a High Court hearing, let alone one tomorrow given the fact the actual alleged infringement case is ongoing in the Federal Court. This case was just over the injunction.
A few Aussie retailers have already started advertising the SGT for sale. Kogan for example is offering the SGT for A$50 or more cheaper then the equivalent Ipads (which Kogan also sell).
Also, I find it interesting that in Australia, their supreme court takes cases like this. That could just be me being american though :/
The supreme court is the highest court in each state, but below the federal court (I.E. Supreme Court of Western Australia or Supreme Court of Victoria). But the submitter had it wrong, this case was heard in the Federal Court of Australia who normally deals with corporate issues, trade practices, Industrial Relations and the like.
Apple have made an appeal to the High Court of Australia which is the highest court in Australia. The High Court has no mandate to automatically hear cases, so if the High Court feel's Apple is wasting their time any appeal will be denied.
What's important about this victory is that the evidence was heard by 3 Justices, not just one as was the case with the first injunction hearing and it was found by the three Justices that the original injunction was in error. The case still stands, Apple is still suing Samsung over alleged patent infringement, this hearing was only over the injunction. But this gives us an indication that there is some sanity in the Australian court system.
If you send me an email, that email will sit there patiently waiting for me until i have the time to look at it...
Received: 13:24 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:29 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: RE: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:33 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: RE: RE: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:35 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: RE: RE: RE: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:38 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: RE: RE: RE: RE: Collection for frank.
Received: 13:39 30/11/2011
From: Bob@company.com
To: Bert@company.com
Subj: Bert, are you there Bert, WHY WONT YOU ANSWER MY EMAIL.
Not that I disagree with your point, Email has it's place amongst our communications tools, but some people (OK a lot of people) misuse it. This is no excuse to get rid of it.
there certainly needs to be the means to extinguish an electrical fire.
Might I humbly suggest each passenger be issued standard a bottle of water?
On a full service airline (I'm not sure if these even exist any more) each passenger may be issued with as many bottles of water as they wish.
But anyway. if this Iphone toting idiot had of listed to the pre-flight announcement and turned his phone off this wouldn't have happened.
Kudos to the hostie's quick thinking though. This should put to rest the popular delusion they are only there to serve you drinks.