sure, RIGHT NOW they won't. give it awhile. i see a bleak future where everything is licensed and eualed.
Ignoring the fact that auto companies have already been slapped down for trying this, if we do nothing to stop the likes of Apple from attaining that future we'll end up getting it.
You saying it doesn't means you either do not actually use it on Linux (most likely) or you are in denial.
Anyone who disagree's with you is lying. Perhaps I simply know how to set up my PC so it does not suffer from these problems. No matter what OS you're running, nothing can protect your from a bad implantation, to fall back on the old/. standard, if I never change the oil and water in my car, is that Toyota's fault for supplying me with a car that needs to be maintained?
In all seriousness, could you fanboys get together and at least be consistent in your FUD. Thank you.
Windows and Linux both seem to be able to handle this fine on hardware that is inferior to the standard Mac designs (my laptop is a year old, but has a 7.2K RPM disk which is irrelevant in this case as we are talking about CPU and RAM bound applications, not I/O bound).
When flash (or Java) starts ferreting away resources on my Win 7 box at work Win 7 closes the browser, the browser does not close Win 7. This is the same case on XP and I also assume Ubuntu (never had it happen to me on Ubuntu for some reason). My browser has been unable to take down my OS since I switched away from IE 6 those many years ago, one of the biggest advancements MS made with IE 7 was to sandbox the process, security implications aside this means that the browser is not able to easily crash the OS and there is a lot more bad code running in Windows then Mac (*cough* Dot Net *cough*).
I know you desperately need to hate flash because Steve Jobs told you to (he also told you that it makes Mac's crash so stop parroting FUD) but really, if this is true it is the result of an OS not being able to do it's job properly, not because of a poor browser plugin. It is an unreasonable expectation to expect 100% of code to work 100% of the time on 100% of machines, it is not an unreasonable expectation to expect your OS to gracefully terminate a rouge process, Mac's cannot do this (sitting there waiting for the spinning beach ball when in Windows I could Ctrl-Alt-Del or Linux issue a Kill command is only one of the reasons why I stopped doing Mac support) whilst Windows and Linux can.
Just to clarify, I think windows is a bloated, buggy piece of crap but I do have to be honest, given the amount of crap code you can run on Windows, it handles it quite well.
Oh, I was able to get a BSOD in Windows running on Parallels on the Mac
You must be special. The last time I got a BSOD was when my graphics card overheated on my gaming box (summer days here easily get to 40 degrees C). BSOD's are only caused by bad hardware or bad drivers and Apple's Windows drivers are pretty crap, it's almost like they don't want you to run the OS of your choice on your own hardware.
Your Mac crashes because the OS cannot gracefully handle an error with an application, imagine how often your Mac would crash if the same amount of low quality software that windows users have access to were available. For fecks sake even Windows can do this now, I've not had Flash crash my Linux, Win 7 or XP boxen in years because they are capable of handling the problem gracefully. At the absolute worse, a bad plugin takes down my browser, not my OS.
BTW, Flash works just fine on my Ubuntu 9.04 (yes, I'm getting around to upgrading) laptop, C2D T series 2.1 GHz, 2 GB RAM and an Intel GMA 4500HD and you're telling me a "superior" Mac has problems.
And some subset of users of Apple iProducts 'jailbreak" them. Sounds like they have freedom, too
Until the next update.
If I use a third party spark plug in my Toyota, they aren't going to send a guy around to ensure that I've used the correct component. In fact Toyota will still honour the warranty. That is freedom in the context of this conversation.
Jailbreaking is not "freedom". It's just loosening the chains, you're still tied up and the chains will be tightened the next time the guard does an update. Even a Jailbroken Iphone is beholden to Apple.
Don't be ridiculous. Tower PCs are going to die, and we're all going to be using mobile devices in the future. When you go to work in an office, you won't be using a Dell in a tower case with a 24" monitor any more; you'll be answering your email, working on spreadsheets and documents, and doing CAD design or programming on a netbook with a 7" screen, or even a smartphone with an on-screen keyboard, or perhaps one of those virtual keyboards that are projected onto a desk. I predict full-size keyboards and monitors are going to be obsolete within 5 years.
Offices in the near future will be completely revolutionized by this mobile technology. Gone will be walled offices and cubicles, and instead people will come to work at offices which are just very large rooms which look much like cafeteria seating areas, where everyone can sit together at long tables, and do all their work on their smartphones, while being able to easily collaborate with each other, and anyone in the entire office. It's going to be amazing how much more productive everyone is in such an environment.
Just like the advent of the PC killed paper manufacturers. I dont print any more, we only keep it around to laugh at and scare the children with. I definitely dont use more paper then I used to before I had a PC.
This is a vision, just like that fellow had about today's paperless office.
Pointless full colour environmental warning.gif which just wastes more toner when you do actually print this off.
They need to move fast, clean VP8 up and push it into Chrome, Android and youtube. Firefox and Opera will follow quickly
And release plugins for IE 7, 8 and 9 as well as Safari then dust their hands off with the satisfaction of a job well done.
Once YouTube (Google) pushes VP8 or Theora over H.264 it's over. It doesn't matter what codec the browsers use, its what the content publishers use that matters. You already grab a third party browser plug in to view YouTube, heck Adobe would probably set flash up as a VP8 decoder as well as H.264 and SWF (they will if they wish to remain relevant). If google can seduce the likes of Netflix and Hulu with license free codec's then all the better.
Apple and Microsoft are attempting to control the stick from the wrong end, the consumers end point doesn't matter, its the publishers that does.
I know this is Slashdot but please be more precise.:-)
insane-policy blockers vs. insane policy-blockers. The Greens are often polarised as such, depending on the political side of the fence one sits.
I submit to your superior explanation.
This is what I find strange. Normally the Greens are the ones pushing for more extreme (environmental) legislation but at the moment they seem to be a blocking force for Labor's more extreme policies.
What? How will wage decreases lead to increased unemployment!
lower wages = more hours worked in order to pay bills. This means higher unemployment as a side effect as companies would be getting more work for less money, with no new work incoming there is no need to retain unnecessary workers.
Then you should know that the federal government had less to do with last year's growth, than China did.
Apart from managing to restart foreign investment in mining, which is most of our economy. Labor kickstarted the economy with investment into government infrastructure after the GFC. This alone got the economy restarted quickly. Many companies survived on this money when their other clients implemented spending freezes, now that this is waning we are in a better position then if those companies died and we have new infrastructure to boot. Certainly in Perth when all the mining giants stopped spending and cancelled new developments, all many small firms had were government contracts.
Things could have been a lot worse, Rudd's economic policies were pretty much the same as Howards with the exception that Rudd is building infrastructure that was sorely neglected under Howard (school's and hospitals). This is an investment as we need to keep our workforce from being outsourced and the best way to do this is to provide companies with a superior product (better educated workforce). I disagree with the Stimulus package ($900 a piece) but that is a small amount of what was borrowed and education needed a boost when I left school 10 years ago.
Rudd may not have been a perfect government but given the fact we've stayed well and truly afloat you cant say they were terrible. But neither side should be given an absolute rule IMHO.
You really are a product of the pop media aren't you?
You're an idiot aren't you.
The whole idea of keeping independents and minor parties in the senate is to ensure that neither major party gets to rule by edict and force unpopular and destructive legislation through (a la work choices).
We had twelve years of rule by the "ultra" conservatives
When did I call Howard an Ultra-conservative. Howard was quite a moderate leader until his last term, that's why he lasted so long. He continually made policies that were difficult to disagree with, well up until Work Choices.
Stop putting words in my mouth so you can project your delusions onto me.
that "hyper religious nut-bar" as you describe him
You cant look at what he's said in recent days and call Abbot right in the head. The Liberal party has slowly killed off all remaining moderate members. Costello was sent off, Nelson and Turnbull. Hockey's been suppressed. If the Liberals had kept Nelson they'd be in a good position right now but political infighting killed that as the extremists backstabbed all the moderate leaders.
You really are the product of the lack of political education. Please stop listening to propaganda and start paying attention.
I would like to point out the Rudd is actually more of a hardened Christian than Abbott
His policies aren't ruled by his religion. In addition to that he has to make concessions to the interests of other parties which the coalition never really had to under Howard. The ultra-conservative element of the Liberal party has spent the better part of 3 years killing off each moderate leader. If Nelson or even Turnbull were still in charge the Liberals would have a good chance at unseating Rudd.
Rudd's religion can be kept in check by the rest of his party, as well as the minor parties Labor depends on to keep a senate majority. Abbot has spent time making sure that the moderates aren't able to question his policies.
1) Stephen Conroy is spot on when he says the internet shouldn't be treated any different to any other forms of media. It isn't a magical beast, it's just another form of media (albeit more accessible and chaotic).
So there's nothing fundamentally wrong with filtering it. I mean hell, it's already illegal to *host* this sort of content in Australia.
Yes there is, 1. the other forms of media are controlled at the point of sale, the internet filter is the equivalent of ACMA placing guards at the exits to all stores to ensure I have not bought anything I'm not meant to, it's the vendor's responsibility to ensure they aren't selling anything like that. 2. it is not illegal to poses RC (Refuse Classification) material. It is illegal to distribute, broadcast or display it. 3. The internet is a pull system not a push system like other forms of transmitted media. A user must consciously decide to go to a web page unlike television or radio where the transmitter decides what will be viewed.
The ISP is not responsible for content, the hosts are and as you so diligently pointed out it's illegal to host RC material in Australia. If I have a copy of an RC film going through Customs in Darwin, the Customs service has no reasonable right to remove that DVD from my possession. Only with explicitly banned media such as Ken Park or Baise Moi do they have the right to be media police. I however may not distribute said DVD or show it to anyone.
2) It might be abused, or it filter stuff you disagree with.
I disagree with filtering material on euthanasia. However this isn't an objection against the filter itself (I mean, I agree with filtering stuff on graffiti or terrorist), but simply against the choice of application.
Also a few things wrong here. 1. The list of banned sites is a secret list maintained in secret by ACMA who have not public oversight. A leak of this list some time ago showed that it was woefully ineffective. 2. The actual proposed mandate is that anything that is RC (Refused Classification) can/should be blocked. This is most of the web and would certainly cover pro-abortion sites.
3) The reason it will fail is exactly the reason it will work.
It will fail miserably because anyone can circumnavigate it.
That bit is correct.
The objection to the filter is that 1. Its mandate is beyond the scope of ACMA. 2. The filter is almost certain to be abused (I doubt a bookie would give you 1 to 1 against it being abused in the next 2 terms). 3. It will not work 4. It will slow the internet down for all Australians (Conroy's tests do not scale, they were using over powered servers for a small control group) and 5. It will raise the already high cost of an internet connection in Australia (because of the additional equimepnt required, load balancing and maintenance to be shouldered on the ISP).
Personally, Abbott scares me. He's fucking insane. Rudd is a little prick, but at least he's a predictable little prick.
Ha,
That's it exactly. We have to pick an arsehole.
My point with the Greens (or Independents for that matter, I'd vote for) is that helping them get a few more seats takes those seats away from the big parties. Right now Rudd needs the Greens and both independents in the senate to overrule the opposition. This has stopped Rudd from ordering the ETS and Clean Feed by edict.
The current distribution of the senate is Coalition 37, Labor 32, Green 5, Xenophon (No Pokies) 1, Fielding (Family First) 1. What I'd like to see happen is the Greens get another seat or two (and for Fielding to bugger off) so Labor remains below the coalition without preferential votes. For our non-Westminsterian viewers, Labour won because they received the preference of the Greens and Independents and "Pokies" is an Aussie term for slot machines.
a! do you know what the liberal/national filtering scheme was???
Ha, and thus far the only party to actually implement their scheme are who...
But I have to ask you, do you know why Rudd was elected in the first place.
Work Choices.
It sounds like you are trying to water down a party that has been taken over by extremists and was not that moderate to begin with.
another 3 years of Rudd will be much MUCH worse then just about anything
If Rudd didn't get into power things would have been very different during the GFC. With Work Choices in effect wages for every profession would have dropped through the floor, mass layoffs would have been commonplace and working hours increased. We are extremely fortunate that Rudd repealed Work Choices before the GFC actually hit.
Contrary to popular belief, the last three years under Rudd have not been a total disaster, our national debt is not spiralling out of control, in fact we are one of the few nations to come out of the GFC. Debt is at far less then 10% of our GDP, right now I have more cash in the bank then is required to pay my share of the national debt (A$9,050, BTW, my state of WA is in the black) and this is during a global recession. To say the last three years has been bad is bullshit, we are the only advanced (first world) economy that is showing positive growth and we still have all our rights as workers.
Also Howard was not a religious leader, he got through on his economic credentials (well earned, I insist on being fair, Howards economic policies were very good whilst education and IR suffered horribly) whilst Abbott is appointing his church buddies to the shadow cabinet. The Nationals at the moment are even more extreme then the Liberals. Abbott is extremely religious and I can not rely on him to be able to make decisions without this influencing them.
the greens in government would be worse
Here's where you go horribly wrong. right now Labor cant do anything without the Greens and independents, I want to keep it that way. Green preferential vote goes towards Labor so Labor remains in power whilst being reliant on the Green party who has openly opposed Labors more insane policies this term such as the filter and ETS. My interest is in keeping a minor party in a position of power as they are actually afraid of being voted out. My preference is two or three minor parties but I'd also like a pony.
Now voting Liberal or National just delivers the power directly into Abbott's hands as the Nationals will just tow the Liberal line. Abbot will get senate majority and rule by edict in the same way that Howard put the incredibly unpopular Work Choices legislation in. I don't care who is leader in so much as long as the disruptive balance of power in the senate is maintained and no-one can implement insane policies like Clean Feed or Work Choices without serious opposition.
Mate - If you don't tell them that this is an issue, then all they have to go off is the Media - and they really treat Internet comments with sooo much respect.
I've already written to my rep at a local and state level. I think a lot of people have that's why Labor's back bench is making some noise about the filter. If the Pirate Party AU feild a candidate they will definitely get my vote.
You might want to do a bit of research before casting your vote. Don't the Greens give preference to Labor anyway? You'd be voting for Kevin Rudd regardless.
Yes I know but...
The greens do not always vote with Labor on all issues (note: this greens did not vote for the filter or ETS, which buried them both), this means that labour cannot force through unpopular policy as the Greens are more afraid of losing my vote. So we get Kevin back in but he is still beholden to the minor parties. This is traditional conservatism and works on the idea that change will only be approved if it is in the best interests of the majority of a disparate group. If the coalition gets back in they will not need to listen to independents or minor parties when getting policies put in.
I care less about the leader and more about maintaining that uneven balance of power so that one party cannot rule by edict for three years. I think democracy just died a little when I proof read that.
The current make-up of the Senate is: Coalition 37 seats, Labor 32 seats, Greens five seats, Family First one seat, and one independent, Nick Xenophon.
Coalition 37, Labor 32
Coalition wins any vote, in case you haven't been keeping up with politics, the coalition votes against Labor on almost any issue that they can without losing votes.
Geeens 5, Family First 1, Xenophon 1.
Now with preferential voting in the two party system the balence becomes,
Coalition 37, Labour 39.
Now in order to pass anything at the moment Labour needs the support of the Greens and both independents. The Greens and Xenophon both voted against the filtering scheme in parliament. Now you see how they are "insane policy blockers".
See, I voted for Labor at the last Federal Election, and I want to like them, I really do. But it's the stupid stuff like this that means I'm going to vote for the Greens, which is something I swore I'd never do.
The greens are turning out to be less environmentalists and more insane policy blockers of late which is kind of scary. As for the environment, Rudd should never have put Garrett there, nothing against the guy but he was definitely not qualified, minister for the environment should be occupied but someone with an understanding of chemistry or biology (OK, wishful thinking).
Personally I think we didn't really have a choice with Rudd, if Howard had of been permitted to keep Work Choices things would have been a lot worse for the average worker in the GFC, fairness test or not, wages would have fallen through the floor and mass lay offs would be the norm.
The opposition Liberal Party are finally getting their act together and the Labour Government doesn't want to feed them any issues to debate, so filtering is on hold.
Frankly the Coalition scare me more then Conroy. Both the leader of the Liberals and the Nationals are ultra conservatives (not in the good way, they are religious nutbars) so voting them in would be just as bad, probably worse then another 3 years of Rudd. Personally my vote is going to a minor party (likely the greens) who, if given enough power can keep out bad legislation, just like the last filter vote.
Also Rudd and Conroy are getting a lot of heat from the Labor back bench, even Kate Lundy has openly questioned the filter after towing the party line and defending it. The prospect of Rudd facing revolt from his own party this close to an election is not a good one.
Elections in Australia happen every three years, no four. That means they will be this year.
Rudd knows just how unpopular the filter is, even if it only loses him 10% of the votes it's enough to scare him as he got in by a gnats wing in 2007.
The question is will Rudd shelve the plan or just carry on regardless after the next election. Personally I don't want to find out but I cant vote for that hyper religious nut-case, Tony Abbott as he'll probably turn around and do something worse so personally my vote is going either to the Greens or an independent against the filter.
You guys in the USA tend to reject any sort of government involvement in anything because you tend to only have regulations and laws which are biased towards the companies/corporations and give the consumers the short end of the stick.
That's commie talk. Consumer protections, pshaw. Next thing you'll want are rights for workers, 8 hour work days and a minimum wage. When does this slippery slope end, when women are permitted to vote?
.why do you think the Wii is absolutely crushing the PS3 and 360.
Because the Wii is fun.
The Xbox and PS3 are consoles that are trying to be PC's, if you game seriously you are on a PC, these so called "hard core" consoles are poor knock offs. The Wii on the other hand is simple, causal fun. Don't get me wrong, this is a good thing(TM) and went missing from consoles circa 1997, personally I'm glad to see it back as I can once again get a group of friends around to play games and it doesn't matter about their skill level, everyone has fun.
If I have a girl around, what is she more likely to enjoy playing, God of War or Mario Kart.
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Ignoring the fact that auto companies have already been slapped down for trying this, if we do nothing to stop the likes of Apple from attaining that future we'll end up getting it.
So Steve Jobs and the GP are lying?
Anyone who disagree's with you is lying. Perhaps I simply know how to set up my PC so it does not suffer from these problems. No matter what OS you're running, nothing can protect your from a bad implantation, to fall back on the old /. standard, if I never change the oil and water in my car, is that Toyota's fault for supplying me with a car that needs to be maintained?
In all seriousness, could you fanboys get together and at least be consistent in your FUD. Thank you.
And most OS's don't.
Windows and Linux both seem to be able to handle this fine on hardware that is inferior to the standard Mac designs (my laptop is a year old, but has a 7.2K RPM disk which is irrelevant in this case as we are talking about CPU and RAM bound applications, not I/O bound).
When flash (or Java) starts ferreting away resources on my Win 7 box at work Win 7 closes the browser, the browser does not close Win 7. This is the same case on XP and I also assume Ubuntu (never had it happen to me on Ubuntu for some reason). My browser has been unable to take down my OS since I switched away from IE 6 those many years ago, one of the biggest advancements MS made with IE 7 was to sandbox the process, security implications aside this means that the browser is not able to easily crash the OS and there is a lot more bad code running in Windows then Mac (*cough* Dot Net *cough*).
I know you desperately need to hate flash because Steve Jobs told you to (he also told you that it makes Mac's crash so stop parroting FUD) but really, if this is true it is the result of an OS not being able to do it's job properly, not because of a poor browser plugin. It is an unreasonable expectation to expect 100% of code to work 100% of the time on 100% of machines, it is not an unreasonable expectation to expect your OS to gracefully terminate a rouge process, Mac's cannot do this (sitting there waiting for the spinning beach ball when in Windows I could Ctrl-Alt-Del or Linux issue a Kill command is only one of the reasons why I stopped doing Mac support) whilst Windows and Linux can.
Just to clarify, I think windows is a bloated, buggy piece of crap but I do have to be honest, given the amount of crap code you can run on Windows, it handles it quite well.
You must be special. The last time I got a BSOD was when my graphics card overheated on my gaming box (summer days here easily get to 40 degrees C). BSOD's are only caused by bad hardware or bad drivers and Apple's Windows drivers are pretty crap, it's almost like they don't want you to run the OS of your choice on your own hardware.
No,
Your Mac crashes because the OS cannot gracefully handle an error with an application, imagine how often your Mac would crash if the same amount of low quality software that windows users have access to were available. For fecks sake even Windows can do this now, I've not had Flash crash my Linux, Win 7 or XP boxen in years because they are capable of handling the problem gracefully. At the absolute worse, a bad plugin takes down my browser, not my OS.
BTW, Flash works just fine on my Ubuntu 9.04 (yes, I'm getting around to upgrading) laptop, C2D T series 2.1 GHz, 2 GB RAM and an Intel GMA 4500HD and you're telling me a "superior" Mac has problems.
Until the next update.
If I use a third party spark plug in my Toyota, they aren't going to send a guy around to ensure that I've used the correct component. In fact Toyota will still honour the warranty. That is freedom in the context of this conversation.
Jailbreaking is not "freedom". It's just loosening the chains, you're still tied up and the chains will be tightened the next time the guard does an update. Even a Jailbroken Iphone is beholden to Apple.
Just like the advent of the PC killed paper manufacturers. I dont print any more, we only keep it around to laugh at and scare the children with. I definitely dont use more paper then I used to before I had a PC.
.gif which just wastes more toner when you do actually print this off.
This is a vision, just like that fellow had about today's paperless office.
Pointless full colour environmental warning
And release plugins for IE 7, 8 and 9 as well as Safari then dust their hands off with the satisfaction of a job well done.
Once YouTube (Google) pushes VP8 or Theora over H.264 it's over. It doesn't matter what codec the browsers use, its what the content publishers use that matters. You already grab a third party browser plug in to view YouTube, heck Adobe would probably set flash up as a VP8 decoder as well as H.264 and SWF (they will if they wish to remain relevant). If google can seduce the likes of Netflix and Hulu with license free codec's then all the better.
Apple and Microsoft are attempting to control the stick from the wrong end, the consumers end point doesn't matter, its the publishers that does.
I submit to your superior explanation.
This is what I find strange. Normally the Greens are the ones pushing for more extreme (environmental) legislation but at the moment they seem to be a blocking force for Labor's more extreme policies.
lower wages = more hours worked in order to pay bills. This means higher unemployment as a side effect as companies would be getting more work for less money, with no new work incoming there is no need to retain unnecessary workers.
Apart from managing to restart foreign investment in mining, which is most of our economy. Labor kickstarted the economy with investment into government infrastructure after the GFC. This alone got the economy restarted quickly. Many companies survived on this money when their other clients implemented spending freezes, now that this is waning we are in a better position then if those companies died and we have new infrastructure to boot. Certainly in Perth when all the mining giants stopped spending and cancelled new developments, all many small firms had were government contracts.
Things could have been a lot worse, Rudd's economic policies were pretty much the same as Howards with the exception that Rudd is building infrastructure that was sorely neglected under Howard (school's and hospitals). This is an investment as we need to keep our workforce from being outsourced and the best way to do this is to provide companies with a superior product (better educated workforce). I disagree with the Stimulus package ($900 a piece) but that is a small amount of what was borrowed and education needed a boost when I left school 10 years ago.
Rudd may not have been a perfect government but given the fact we've stayed well and truly afloat you cant say they were terrible. But neither side should be given an absolute rule IMHO.
You're an idiot aren't you. The whole idea of keeping independents and minor parties in the senate is to ensure that neither major party gets to rule by edict and force unpopular and destructive legislation through (a la work choices).
When did I call Howard an Ultra-conservative. Howard was quite a moderate leader until his last term, that's why he lasted so long. He continually made policies that were difficult to disagree with, well up until Work Choices.
Stop putting words in my mouth so you can project your delusions onto me.
You cant look at what he's said in recent days and call Abbot right in the head. The Liberal party has slowly killed off all remaining moderate members. Costello was sent off, Nelson and Turnbull. Hockey's been suppressed. If the Liberals had kept Nelson they'd be in a good position right now but political infighting killed that as the extremists backstabbed all the moderate leaders.
You really are the product of the lack of political education. Please stop listening to propaganda and start paying attention.
His policies aren't ruled by his religion. In addition to that he has to make concessions to the interests of other parties which the coalition never really had to under Howard. The ultra-conservative element of the Liberal party has spent the better part of 3 years killing off each moderate leader. If Nelson or even Turnbull were still in charge the Liberals would have a good chance at unseating Rudd.
Rudd's religion can be kept in check by the rest of his party, as well as the minor parties Labor depends on to keep a senate majority. Abbot has spent time making sure that the moderates aren't able to question his policies.
Yes there is, 1. the other forms of media are controlled at the point of sale, the internet filter is the equivalent of ACMA placing guards at the exits to all stores to ensure I have not bought anything I'm not meant to, it's the vendor's responsibility to ensure they aren't selling anything like that. 2. it is not illegal to poses RC (Refuse Classification) material. It is illegal to distribute, broadcast or display it. 3. The internet is a pull system not a push system like other forms of transmitted media. A user must consciously decide to go to a web page unlike television or radio where the transmitter decides what will be viewed.
The ISP is not responsible for content, the hosts are and as you so diligently pointed out it's illegal to host RC material in Australia. If I have a copy of an RC film going through Customs in Darwin, the Customs service has no reasonable right to remove that DVD from my possession. Only with explicitly banned media such as Ken Park or Baise Moi do they have the right to be media police. I however may not distribute said DVD or show it to anyone.
Also a few things wrong here. 1. The list of banned sites is a secret list maintained in secret by ACMA who have not public oversight. A leak of this list some time ago showed that it was woefully ineffective. 2. The actual proposed mandate is that anything that is RC (Refused Classification) can/should be blocked. This is most of the web and would certainly cover pro-abortion sites.
That bit is correct.
The objection to the filter is that 1. Its mandate is beyond the scope of ACMA. 2. The filter is almost certain to be abused (I doubt a bookie would give you 1 to 1 against it being abused in the next 2 terms). 3. It will not work 4. It will slow the internet down for all Australians (Conroy's tests do not scale, they were using over powered servers for a small control group) and 5. It will raise the already high cost of an internet connection in Australia (because of the additional equimepnt required, load balancing and maintenance to be shouldered on the ISP).
Ha,
That's it exactly. We have to pick an arsehole.
My point with the Greens (or Independents for that matter, I'd vote for) is that helping them get a few more seats takes those seats away from the big parties. Right now Rudd needs the Greens and both independents in the senate to overrule the opposition. This has stopped Rudd from ordering the ETS and Clean Feed by edict.
The current distribution of the senate is Coalition 37, Labor 32, Green 5, Xenophon (No Pokies) 1, Fielding (Family First) 1. What I'd like to see happen is the Greens get another seat or two (and for Fielding to bugger off) so Labor remains below the coalition without preferential votes. For our non-Westminsterian viewers, Labour won because they received the preference of the Greens and Independents and "Pokies" is an Aussie term for slot machines.
Ha, and thus far the only party to actually implement their scheme are who... But I have to ask you, do you know why Rudd was elected in the first place.
Work Choices.
It sounds like you are trying to water down a party that has been taken over by extremists and was not that moderate to begin with.
If Rudd didn't get into power things would have been very different during the GFC. With Work Choices in effect wages for every profession would have dropped through the floor, mass layoffs would have been commonplace and working hours increased. We are extremely fortunate that Rudd repealed Work Choices before the GFC actually hit.
Contrary to popular belief, the last three years under Rudd have not been a total disaster, our national debt is not spiralling out of control, in fact we are one of the few nations to come out of the GFC. Debt is at far less then 10% of our GDP, right now I have more cash in the bank then is required to pay my share of the national debt (A$9,050, BTW, my state of WA is in the black) and this is during a global recession. To say the last three years has been bad is bullshit, we are the only advanced (first world) economy that is showing positive growth and we still have all our rights as workers.
Also Howard was not a religious leader, he got through on his economic credentials (well earned, I insist on being fair, Howards economic policies were very good whilst education and IR suffered horribly) whilst Abbott is appointing his church buddies to the shadow cabinet. The Nationals at the moment are even more extreme then the Liberals. Abbott is extremely religious and I can not rely on him to be able to make decisions without this influencing them.
Here's where you go horribly wrong. right now Labor cant do anything without the Greens and independents, I want to keep it that way. Green preferential vote goes towards Labor so Labor remains in power whilst being reliant on the Green party who has openly opposed Labors more insane policies this term such as the filter and ETS. My interest is in keeping a minor party in a position of power as they are actually afraid of being voted out. My preference is two or three minor parties but I'd also like a pony.
Now voting Liberal or National just delivers the power directly into Abbott's hands as the Nationals will just tow the Liberal line. Abbot will get senate majority and rule by edict in the same way that Howard put the incredibly unpopular Work Choices legislation in. I don't care who is leader in so much as long as the disruptive balance of power in the senate is maintained and no-one can implement insane policies like Clean Feed or Work Choices without serious opposition.
Allow me to introduce you to punctuation.
insane, policy blockers indicates that they are insane and blocking policy.
"insane policy blockers" indicates that they are blocking insane policy.
So what it does mean what I think it does.
If you have trouble understanding this please do an English course for adults, this country has many fine TAFE institutions that offer them.
I've already written to my rep at a local and state level. I think a lot of people have that's why Labor's back bench is making some noise about the filter. If the Pirate Party AU feild a candidate they will definitely get my vote.
Yes I know but...
The greens do not always vote with Labor on all issues (note: this greens did not vote for the filter or ETS, which buried them both), this means that labour cannot force through unpopular policy as the Greens are more afraid of losing my vote. So we get Kevin back in but he is still beholden to the minor parties. This is traditional conservatism and works on the idea that change will only be approved if it is in the best interests of the majority of a disparate group. If the coalition gets back in they will not need to listen to independents or minor parties when getting policies put in.
I care less about the leader and more about maintaining that uneven balance of power so that one party cannot rule by edict for three years. I think democracy just died a little when I proof read that.
You answered this question yourself.
Coalition 37, Labor 32
Coalition wins any vote, in case you haven't been keeping up with politics, the coalition votes against Labor on almost any issue that they can without losing votes.
Geeens 5, Family First 1, Xenophon 1.
Now with preferential voting in the two party system the balence becomes,
Coalition 37, Labour 39.
Now in order to pass anything at the moment Labour needs the support of the Greens and both independents. The Greens and Xenophon both voted against the filtering scheme in parliament. Now you see how they are "insane policy blockers".
The greens are turning out to be less environmentalists and more insane policy blockers of late which is kind of scary. As for the environment, Rudd should never have put Garrett there, nothing against the guy but he was definitely not qualified, minister for the environment should be occupied but someone with an understanding of chemistry or biology (OK, wishful thinking).
Personally I think we didn't really have a choice with Rudd, if Howard had of been permitted to keep Work Choices things would have been a lot worse for the average worker in the GFC, fairness test or not, wages would have fallen through the floor and mass lay offs would be the norm.
I know you're a yank but please, as a sign of respect switch your Spool Chocker to En_AU for this thread.
kthanksbye.
You mean to tell me George Bush is not a space alien?
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Frankly the Coalition scare me more then Conroy. Both the leader of the Liberals and the Nationals are ultra conservatives (not in the good way, they are religious nutbars) so voting them in would be just as bad, probably worse then another 3 years of Rudd. Personally my vote is going to a minor party (likely the greens) who, if given enough power can keep out bad legislation, just like the last filter vote.
Also Rudd and Conroy are getting a lot of heat from the Labor back bench, even Kate Lundy has openly questioned the filter after towing the party line and defending it. The prospect of Rudd facing revolt from his own party this close to an election is not a good one.
Elections in Australia happen every three years, no four. That means they will be this year.
Rudd knows just how unpopular the filter is, even if it only loses him 10% of the votes it's enough to scare him as he got in by a gnats wing in 2007.
The question is will Rudd shelve the plan or just carry on regardless after the next election. Personally I don't want to find out but I cant vote for that hyper religious nut-case, Tony Abbott as he'll probably turn around and do something worse so personally my vote is going either to the Greens or an independent against the filter.
That's commie talk. Consumer protections, pshaw. Next thing you'll want are rights for workers, 8 hour work days and a minimum wage. When does this slippery slope end, when women are permitted to vote?
Because the Wii is fun.
The Xbox and PS3 are consoles that are trying to be PC's, if you game seriously you are on a PC, these so called "hard core" consoles are poor knock offs. The Wii on the other hand is simple, causal fun. Don't get me wrong, this is a good thing(TM) and went missing from consoles circa 1997, personally I'm glad to see it back as I can once again get a group of friends around to play games and it doesn't matter about their skill level, everyone has fun.
If I have a girl around, what is she more likely to enjoy playing, God of War or Mario Kart.