Under the name of Atomic OS, I've been playing around with related ideas (on and off) for nearly a decade now.
Although I have a number of others, my primary suggestion would be to add WebRTC-based network devices in jor1k or JS/Linux. This would allow SPAs (Single Page Applications) to provide an interface into new censorship-resistant networks.
Yes it's putting tubes in your tubes but I think it'll happen and likely sooner than you think. There's at least one project out there (name withheld by request of the projects' author, will go into beta soon) that I suspect will usher in a new era of web-based computing.
It's like talking about Americans when actually talking about people from Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada because thay all live on continents with "America" in the name.
I spent some time as the Pirate Party of Canada's IT Director and was accepted into the challenge. Our Deputy Leader was also accepted and I'm sure we'll have something to say after a bit of play time.;-)
Hi Billco. I'm a member of PPCA (PPoC was dropped as the acronym quite some time ago) and would like to address a couple of your concerns;
First, most of the time the IRC channels are full of unstructured discussion - but not always. We have structured meetings on a regular basis as well, something that has improved in the last few months. As we development continues on our meeting bot, it'll get better.
Second, we're a young party in Canada and many of us are not professional fund raisers, political science majors, or lawyers. We don't have a war chest, so throwing around what money we do have isn't something we want to do in a wanton fashion. I'm sure that as we grow and attract those with backgrounds (hint, hint) that include these skills, we'll be able to do the "usual political song-and-dance."
Outside of our core concerns, our "party line" (if you will) is to make sure that we represent local constituents the way they want to be represented. Not promise things we can't deliver.
At first, I was somewhat taken aback by your tone and perspective... A look at the big red warning your about page on fnarg.com help me understand though. Maybe you'd be up to stopping by IRC in the future and looking me up? I'd be happy to discuss your concerns further.
Thomas Jefferson said the same thing almost 200 years ago. The US will be an example to the rest of the world of how a free people can prosper and enjoy life, and people around the globe will rise-up and throw-off their shackles.
Unfortunately freedom does not guarantee happiness and it comes in varying degrees; I'm sure there are many U.S. citizens who feel shackled in one form or another.
The only part of the equation he was missing was the use of books, movies, and music as the enticement to make people say, "I want what the US has."
In a way I agree with you, but I'd like to point out that all of your enticement is encumbered "intellectual property".
"I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in it's birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." - Thomas Jeffersen
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Previous post should've read:
No offence, but F**k MLB. And same with any organization that says "because you might not be in the same spot you were 15 minutes ago, you can't watch it!" I'm not a big Baseball fan, but I'd say the same for any "Media Distribution Outlet."
"Sling Media's Slingbox allows consumers to watch and control their home television programs from a remote PC or smartphone -- a process called 'placeshifting'. Content owners are typically edgy when it comes to the placeshifting topic. However, most don't view Slingbox as an imminent threat that will destroy the commercial broadcast model. Major League Baseball is going against the grain by saying that Slingbox owners who stream home games while traveling are breaking the law because it allows consumers to circumvent geographical boundaries written in to broadcast deals. This has sparked a huge debate that has the MLB, baseball fans, and the CEA up in arms. CEA President Gary Shapiro doesn't agree, and is coming to the defense of Sling Media and place-shifting in general."
No offence, but F**k MLB. And same with any organization that says "because you might not be in the same spot you were 15 minutes ago, you can't watch it!"
I'm not a big Baseball fan, but I'd say the same for any "Media Distribution Outlet."
What does "Interoperability Executive Customer Council" mean? An interoperability "council" of customers' executives? An executive council of (for?!?) customers?
Try as they might, I cannot see how M$ can declare war on either side of the Patented/Open software fight. Do they really think that they can exist in both camps at once and still come out a winner?
If I'm not mistaken, the Art of War deals pretty specifically with choosing one's sides/opponents carefully.
If they wish to push for interoperability, why threaten (however thinly-veiled) the Open Source community? Particularly when they themselves are "trying" to be more open?"
Rrrgh - sorry for the double post.
The point that really bothers me is that if they are TRULY worried about INTEROPERABILITY, why then would they be solely interested in THEIR customers points of view? Why not their "opponents?" (Er, I mean... friends)
After all, interoperability is about making sure that MOST (if not ALL) parties can communicate.
What does "Interoperability Executive Customer Council" mean? An interoperability "council" of customers' executives? An executive council of (for?!?) customers?
Try as they might, I cannot see how M$ can declare war on either side of the Patented/Open software fight. Do they really think that they can exist in both camps at once and still come out a winner?
If I'm not mistaken, the Art of War deals pretty specifically with choosing one's sides/opponents carefully.
If they wish to push for interoperability, why threaten (however thinly-veiled) the Open Source community? Particularly when they themselves are "trying" to be more open?
Microsoft had the chance to chash in.
So why didn't they?
Because - did they really think they could do better; in this age where industry-by-industry, segment-by-segment, product-by-product... they're being out-manoeuvred?
Come on. It's about FREAKING TIME!
(And who said politically-correct was wrong?!?):P
Nice post. I agree with almost all of it, but one line caught my attention and I'd like to play on it a bit. =)
"Clothing manufacturers may want to do that to find out which part of their global marketplace needs to be targeted the most"
I fail to see however how RFID would work in this scenario. Do you see cloting manufacturers placing RFID sensors in major cities throughout the world? Is this an after-market opportunity - sell manufacturers/distributers/govt's access to your global RFID scanning network? Yikes.
Besides, I would think that clothing manufacturers should really be targetting places were clothing is not as easy to come by.
This is why I stick with Nintendo. Honestly, they aren't going away anytime soon. Sony, I think, will be the first to go if anyone. I was very much saddened when I heard Sega was dropping out of the hardware race (although I hope they return at some point).
The only time I slipped in my support for Nintendo, was after going to the national finals in a Sega Genesis competition. I bombed in the first round; instead of having the regional winners play Genesis games, we ended up competing on equipment and games that hadn't even made it to stores yet (in Canada anyway). IIRC, they were the SNES, Neo Geo, and Turbo Grafix 16.
Is it just me or does anyone else want the days to be like the old Nintendo/Sega rivalry where most games came out for both systems where the only real differences were the controller shape, button layout, and the small number of proprietary games (ie - Nintendo's Mario and Sega's Sonic)
I do. Not only that, but I'd like to see the old consoles & companies dust some cobwebs off and come kick Sony and MS in the rear. (Sega, Atari and Intellivision would be my first 3 prefs.;-)
JS/UIX is just a similated unix shell with no real utility...
Agreed, and it's not free software.
and TiddlyWiki looks like a regular Wiki with inplace editting and some interesting but superfluous effect when you click on new sections. Actually, the effect is somewhat annoying because it is delayed. The new section appears first and the "window" slowly expands afterwards to match it. That effect really needs to go away. What am I missing here?
You can disable animations in options on the menu to the right. They should be off by default IMO, but it's easy to work around.
It took me a couple weeks to really get my head wrapped around TiddlyWiki and it's capabilites. I didn't know JavaScript then.
By mixing the two ideas together though, shell from JS/UIX and self-containment from TiddlyWiki, it became possible to:
Create data stores (files), containers (directories), and all manner of GUI widgets using pre-existing HTML tags and JavaScript objects. These I called Atomic Objects and were the basis for the projects final name
Build a command interpreter and shell, so that developers could interact with Atomic Objects in real-time
Build responsive web-based applications
Give those applications async access to remote data stores
And do it all within a single HTML document
There's more to the story though. After I discovered TiddlyWiki, but before JS/UIX, I wrote another (very simple) prototype application called raDHTML. It's a web-based RAD tool for webpage design that worked rather well, but was written very poorly. When I discovered JS/UIX I decided to actually learn JavaScript.
The YouOS demo is much more attractive than the one for the predecessor to Atomic OS, WAJAX. Atomic OS has more to offer in the way of applications though I think. Particularly for those still holding out against FOSS, or have a need/want to mix it with proprietary code.
LOL. I saw a similar Javascript terminal app that ran in the browser and sorta simulated an actual unix OS, but I thought it was just a sort of joke. Did you really think that such an idea would actually be useful?
I wouldn't be surpised if it was JS/UIX. Trying that and TiddlyWiki solidified my concept of how to resolve my UI issues as a web developer.
Anyway, don't worry about YouOS. It'll fail.
I'm not worried about it - I don't want it to fail. Competition's good for business. =)
I was a little miffed at Murphy for his timing yesterday though.
Besides, it's available under a modified BSD license. I'm learning JavaScript by writing Atomic OS; I expect I might be able to learn a thing or two from their project.
We all build on the shoulders of giants, and we all have itches to scratch. I have no desire to change the perspective that no-one is a first approximation.
Thank you - that was nice to hear, particularly on slashdot.
I have spent almost a year working on a project that is nearly identical to (if less mature than) YouOS. Atomic OS is not as advanced as YouOS due to lack of hackers and poor timing.
This is driving me nuts. I logged into/. went through the headlines, then posted an article about Atomic OS. When I got back to the developers headlines... Boom. YouOS.
What's wrong with not being everything to everyone, when it's already taken care of by a -more- specialized organization very competent to deal with that issue?
Better to go with the specialized organizations IMHO. The problem I have - and I suspect a great many others have as well - is simply that there is so much research a person needs to do in order to understand which organization does what, and who to contact in any given situation.
If there was a single-point-of-entry for "Rights Research" that everyone (in any given country) knew existed, then I think things would be much simpler.
After a couple years of interest in mYRO, I'm still finding websites and organizations here in Canada. The research just takes to long when there are so many other things a geek has to know to remain competative.
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Under the name of Atomic OS, I've been playing around with related ideas (on and off) for nearly a decade now.
Although I have a number of others, my primary suggestion would be to add WebRTC-based network devices in jor1k or JS/Linux. This would allow SPAs (Single Page Applications) to provide an interface into new censorship-resistant networks.
Yes it's putting tubes in your tubes but I think it'll happen and likely sooner than you think. There's at least one project out there (name withheld by request of the projects' author, will go into beta soon) that I suspect will usher in a new era of web-based computing.
It's like talking about Americans when actually talking about people from Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada because thay all live on continents with "America" in the name.
Surely the US Senate should be able to get it right, right? http://o.canada.com/2013/08/01/canada-homeland-map/
Oh. Right.
The thing is, if you blame Harper and the Conservatives for something - they are likely guilty of it :P
After receiving a (seismic v2) encoded message from God, the Conservatives went and drained these springs to convince the public. The need to privatize our hot springs is most pressing! Sell before they loose too much value! http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Parks+Canada+privatize+springs/7196294/story.html
Yup.
I spent some time as the Pirate Party of Canada's IT Director and was accepted into the challenge. Our Deputy Leader was also accepted and I'm sure we'll have something to say after a bit of play time. ;-)
I believe that was the third book, 2061 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2061:_Odyssey_Three
I'm writing a browser in JavaScript that will run on itself !!!
Use jsdom with node.js. Still need decent GUI bindings (Gtk is in the works IIRC), but other than that it's ridiculously easy.
Hi Billco. I'm a member of PPCA (PPoC was dropped as the acronym quite some time ago) and would like to address a couple of your concerns;
First, most of the time the IRC channels are full of unstructured discussion - but not always. We have structured meetings on a regular basis as well, something that has improved in the last few months. As we development continues on our meeting bot, it'll get better.
Second, we're a young party in Canada and many of us are not professional fund raisers, political science majors, or lawyers. We don't have a war chest, so throwing around what money we do have isn't something we want to do in a wanton fashion. I'm sure that as we grow and attract those with backgrounds (hint, hint) that include these skills, we'll be able to do the "usual political song-and-dance."
Outside of our core concerns, our "party line" (if you will) is to make sure that we represent local constituents the way they want to be represented. Not promise things we can't deliver.
At first, I was somewhat taken aback by your tone and perspective... A look at the big red warning your about page on fnarg.com help me understand though. Maybe you'd be up to stopping by IRC in the future and looking me up? I'd be happy to discuss your concerns further.
Cheers,
- Scott (PPCA Clerk)
Thomas Jefferson said the same thing almost 200 years ago. The US will be an example to the rest of the world of how a free people can prosper and enjoy life, and people around the globe will rise-up and throw-off their shackles.
Unfortunately freedom does not guarantee happiness and it comes in varying degrees; I'm sure there are many U.S. citizens who feel shackled in one form or another.
The only part of the equation he was missing was the use of books, movies, and music as the enticement to make people say, "I want what the US has."
In a way I agree with you, but I'd like to point out that all of your enticement is encumbered "intellectual property".
"I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in it's birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." - Thomas Jeffersen
I just don't understand how they hope to apply this in any kind of sensible way. The whole idea kind of reminds me of a wiki - turned inside out.
Additional information has come to light since the original posting. Some interesting blog posts from:
Ag. Please(!) forgive. Finally figured out how to set posting preferences to Plaintext.
Previous post should've read:
No offence, but F**k MLB. And same with any organization that says "because you might not be in the same spot you were 15 minutes ago, you can't watch it!" I'm not a big Baseball fan, but I'd say the same for any "Media Distribution Outlet."
Guh.
"Sling Media's Slingbox allows consumers to watch and control their home television programs from a remote PC or smartphone -- a process called 'placeshifting'. Content owners are typically edgy when it comes to the placeshifting topic. However, most don't view Slingbox as an imminent threat that will destroy the commercial broadcast model. Major League Baseball is going against the grain by saying that Slingbox owners who stream home games while traveling are breaking the law because it allows consumers to circumvent geographical boundaries written in to broadcast deals. This has sparked a huge debate that has the MLB, baseball fans, and the CEA up in arms. CEA President Gary Shapiro doesn't agree, and is coming to the defense of Sling Media and place-shifting in general." No offence, but F**k MLB. And same with any organization that says "because you might not be in the same spot you were 15 minutes ago, you can't watch it!" I'm not a big Baseball fan, but I'd say the same for any "Media Distribution Outlet."
"TIECC - This Is an Exceedingly Clumsy Concept.
What does "Interoperability Executive Customer Council" mean? An interoperability "council" of customers' executives? An executive council of (for?!?) customers?
Try as they might, I cannot see how M$ can declare war on either side of the Patented/Open software fight. Do they really think that they can exist in both camps at once and still come out a winner?
If I'm not mistaken, the Art of War deals pretty specifically with choosing one's sides/opponents carefully.
If they wish to push for interoperability, why threaten (however thinly-veiled) the Open Source community? Particularly when they themselves are "trying" to be more open?"
Rrrgh - sorry for the double post.
The point that really bothers me is that if they are TRULY worried about INTEROPERABILITY, why then would they be solely interested in THEIR customers points of view? Why not their "opponents?" (Er, I mean... friends)
After all, interoperability is about making sure that MOST (if not ALL) parties can communicate.
TIECC - This Is an Exceedingly Clumsy Concept.
What does "Interoperability Executive Customer Council" mean? An interoperability "council" of customers' executives? An executive council of (for?!?) customers?
Try as they might, I cannot see how M$ can declare war on either side of the Patented/Open software fight. Do they really think that they can exist in both camps at once and still come out a winner?
If I'm not mistaken, the Art of War deals pretty specifically with choosing one's sides/opponents carefully.
If they wish to push for interoperability, why threaten (however thinly-veiled) the Open Source community? Particularly when they themselves are "trying" to be more open?
Microsoft had the chance to chash in. So why didn't they? Because - did they really think they could do better; in this age where industry-by-industry, segment-by-segment, product-by-product... they're being out-manoeuvred? Come on. It's about FREAKING TIME! (And who said politically-correct was wrong?!?) :P
Nice post. I agree with almost all of it, but one line caught my attention and I'd like to play on it a bit. =)
I fail to see however how RFID would work in this scenario. Do you see cloting manufacturers placing RFID sensors in major cities throughout the world? Is this an after-market opportunity - sell manufacturers/distributers/govt's access to your global RFID scanning network? Yikes.
Besides, I would think that clothing manufacturers should really be targetting places were clothing is not as easy to come by.
The only time I slipped in my support for Nintendo, was after going to the national finals in a Sega Genesis competition. I bombed in the first round; instead of having the regional winners play Genesis games, we ended up competing on equipment and games that hadn't even made it to stores yet (in Canada anyway). IIRC, they were the SNES, Neo Geo, and Turbo Grafix 16.
I do. Not only that, but I'd like to see the old consoles & companies dust some cobwebs off and come kick Sony and MS in the rear. (Sega, Atari and Intellivision would be my first 3 prefs. ;-)
Agreed, and it's not free software.
You can disable animations in options on the menu to the right. They should be off by default IMO, but it's easy to work around.
It took me a couple weeks to really get my head wrapped around TiddlyWiki and it's capabilites. I didn't know JavaScript then.
By mixing the two ideas together though, shell from JS/UIX and self-containment from TiddlyWiki, it became possible to:
There's more to the story though. After I discovered TiddlyWiki, but before JS/UIX, I wrote another (very simple) prototype application called raDHTML. It's a web-based RAD tool for webpage design that worked rather well, but was written very poorly. When I discovered JS/UIX I decided to actually learn JavaScript.
The YouOS demo is much more attractive than the one for the predecessor to Atomic OS, WAJAX. Atomic OS has more to offer in the way of applications though I think. Particularly for those still holding out against FOSS, or have a need/want to mix it with proprietary code.
I wouldn't be surpised if it was JS/UIX. Trying that and TiddlyWiki solidified my concept of how to resolve my UI issues as a web developer.
I'm not worried about it - I don't want it to fail. Competition's good for business. =)
I was a little miffed at Murphy for his timing yesterday though.
Besides, it's available under a modified BSD license. I'm learning JavaScript by writing Atomic OS; I expect I might be able to learn a thing or two from their project.
We all build on the shoulders of giants, and we all have itches to scratch. I have no desire to change the perspective that no-one is a first approximation.
Thank you - that was nice to hear, particularly on slashdot.
I disagree, but I have much more work to do before I can describe the difference with justice.
Probably the most important items at this point are:
1. It's self-contained. It does not require a server, except for advanced features which haven't been written yet.
2. You don't need to register for anything, or link your files to Atomic OS.
3. Atomic OS is a "marketing name." A better description would be Operating Environment.
Damn, damn, damn.
I have spent almost a year working on a project that is nearly identical to (if less mature than) YouOS. Atomic OS is not as advanced as YouOS due to lack of hackers and poor timing.
This is driving me nuts. I logged into /. went through the headlines, then posted an article about Atomic OS. When I got back to the developers headlines... Boom. YouOS.
Aaaarghh!
Lol - absolutely no one, unless it's in an EULA somewhere.
;-)
I have been working away on a project that I hope will help the situation, but... well. One step at a time.
(Getting a slashdot account was one of those steps.
Better to go with the specialized organizations IMHO. The problem I have - and I suspect a great many others have as well - is simply that there is so much research a person needs to do in order to understand which organization does what, and who to contact in any given situation.
If there was a single-point-of-entry for "Rights Research" that everyone (in any given country) knew existed, then I think things would be much simpler.
After a couple years of interest in mYRO, I'm still finding websites and organizations here in Canada. The research just takes to long when there are so many other things a geek has to know to remain competative.