What you just described as being required to buy a firearm is the law of the land in many States of the US - for example, in California where I live. You must buy from a licensed dealer (even if a person-to-person sale - it must be done at and through Federal Firearms Licensed dealer), the serial numbers are registered, and you have to have a current handgun license (renewable every 5 years). Some States are even more restrictive.
As far as the domestic violence record - there was none. There was an accusation, but no arrest, no trial, no conviction. And I assume that's fine in Australia too - if someone says you're violent, it takes more than just their word to ban firearm possession. There must be at least an arrest and an investigation.
So given all that - he would have been eligible to buy a firearm in Australia, and faced no more difficulty than hundreds of thousands face daily in the US.
It's not the firearm, or access to them - it's the crazies with the firearms that are the issue. It's the culture he bought into (one that says that "gays must be killed"), and in the US it's the inner-city gang mindset/culture that causes the overwhelming majority of our shootings. Nearly every weekend in Chicago and DC (both with some of the strictest gun laws in the US - tougher than those in Australia) dozens are shot and 6-10 die. Every weekend. Why? Gangland mentality. Shootings over "turf" or drug sales or simply "he disrespected me". It's NOT the firearms, it's the culture.
Last point: even factoring in this shooting, more people are killed every year in the US by hands or feet (beating or kicking to death) than are killed by rifles. It's the culture of violence that is the problem - not the tools used.
When thousands of other Muslims cheer the results of that one psycho - that's a bit different, no? When Imams call for more of that kind of killing, isn't that a bit different?
Ahh, my bad. Sorry about that! Just so many here are on the "guns are evil!" kick without understanding it's the person using them that is evil. The FBI just recently released statistics from the last 4 years, and you are more likely to be beaten or kicked to death than killed with a rifle. But evil black rifles are the focus because "gun".
Not according to the original "assault weapons" ban nor the State of California! Having a pistol grip and a threaded barrel is enough to get you an "assault weapons" marking. Or an accessory rail and forward hand grip... Don't need a folding stock (which really isn't used by the US military anyway) - just got to look evil and black!
Not from my experience. It's been rock-solid in operation. I've had one for 6 years now with thousands of rounds through it without a problem. It loads fine from the stock magazines supplied to using PMAGs to US issued metal magazines. Feeds reliably every time.
The entire population of Australia is about on par with that of the greater Los Angeles area. Of course, Australia is also a LOT more mono-culture than just Los Angeles, as well. Perhaps that has something to do with it?
Criminal or not, anyone that carry a gun concealed without a license goes right to jail, that's it. No more complicated than this.
I added that word "concealed". Now your statement would be true for about 95% of the population in the US. Carry a concealed gun without a license and you go to jail. Unless you're stating the issue isn't those hiding weapons, it's those carrying them about in plain sight?
Hmm... Australia "united" in 1901. So 4 mass shootings in 100 years. So about 1 every 25 years. So you're not "due" for another one for another 5 years or so?
You need to check your list again. Using a red blue election map, 19 of the top 30 are in blue States, 7 of the top 10 are in blue States.
If you look at Gary, Indiana (a State that historically was Blue and switched to Red for the last election) - a city that borders Illinois and Chicago (heck, East Chicago is right there in IN as well and is one of the cities on your list!) and is the "low cost drug" haven for most of Chicago, it would be 20 and 8.
Likewise for St. Louis as a spillover from the leader, East St. Louis; that would bring the lists to 21 and 9, Blue vs. Red. Check the list - it's dominated by Blue states and Blue cities (with Gary, IN being one standout, as it's really a suburb of Chicago, and St. Louis being a standout from the spillover from East St. Louis).
NJ and IL lead the list, accounting for 7 of the top 30 - and they are both solidly blue. The only solidly red States that have more than one entry are LA and MS; there are 6 multi-city blue states on the list...
Hmm... 19/30, 7/10, 21/30, 6/8 - there's a trend here. Seems that blue States are about 2-3 times more likely to show up on this list...
The first two are already law in most of the States topping the list of murders per capita. California is working on number 3 (ammo sales), but it's not going to do anything in terms of reducing gun violence...
Or maybe we can see assault weapons be taken off the streets. Had the ban enacted in the 1990s been active today, this massacre would not have happened. Simple as that. Support HR 4269, and get this thing to the president's desk so she can sign it. The carnage will end then.
Please explain the functional difference betwen an "assault weapon" and the Kel Tec SU-16ca. Note the SU-16ca is NOT an assault weapon by any definition. Yet it still uses the same magazines, the same ammunition, has the same ballistics as the "assault weapon" used in Orlando. But it does look "innocent" compared to the scary Evil Black Rifle so it's OK - and its identical cousin, the AR-15, is dressed up all different and would be banned.
Banning a weapon because it "looks mean" is what I'd expect from a 5 year old...
You know, we banned killing people, and we banned carrying firearms into that club. Ban didn't work, did it? And of course, you (obviously a Clinton supporter) expect the President to sign legislation to ban these weapons when the current President - and your hopeful President - actively allowed these weapons to be illegally purchased and provided to criminals.
what we have instead in this country, on both state-by-state basis, as well as a metro-area basis, is very clear correlations between gun prevalence and gun deaths. and it's summed up thus: more guns = more deaths.
Isn't that rather the problem? People distinguishing between religious beliefs, and then becoming violent over it?
Problem is, today it seems to be overwhelmingly a singular religion that lashes out with extreme violence over such comparisons. Perhaps the problem isn't religion on a whole, but just the one that demands everybody convert or be considered fair game for murder.
Thank you. You prove my point. Modern societies are tolerant. Backwards, 3rd world cesspools are not. The fact that all Islamic nations are not says which category they fall under. Sure, they may have big modern buildings and fast cars and great technology - all those things you can buy - but the people living in them, and the people running them, are no more advanced than the 7th century. And that's the idea - according to strict Sharia law, there is no need to advance beyond that in terms of morality, tolerance, and law.
The only reason there is any difference today is because Christians nations have (very recently) stopped allowing the church to be the government. When it was, the same shit happened. What you call "Muslim countries" are merely the countries where religion rules the government - they aren't even a majority of the Muslim countries, the other Muslim countries with secular governments are as aghast as those types of events as I am.
What secular Government Muslim countries are there? Indonesia?Malaysia?Turkey?Jordan?Mali? Can you name one of these LGBT tolerant/accepting secular Muslim that doesn't prosecute the LGBT community?
Christianity actually supports the entire concept of separation of church and State (Render under Caesar...). Islam DEMANDS that it be the Government and Sharia law (the law of religion) must be implemented. Thereby forcing theocracies. They may be republics or democracies or other forms of organization in name, but they are theocracies in practice.
So one priest goes rogue and now the entire religion is stained? With that standard then EVERY group you can ever imagine is responsible for the Orlando shooting, as I am sure we can find a way to tie them into it...
Now now, be honest - the KKK was a Democratic organization that regularly lynched Republicans. And even if we do talk about the 18th century, that's still 300 years ago. Yet stoning gays, tossing them off buildings, burning alive women who refuse to be raped is relatively common in many Muslim nations. I guess if you want to say they are only 300 years behind, instead of 600 - OK, you got me.
And how many of them actually go out and actively kill gays? How many links would you like back, showing modern Islamic states throwing gays off buildings (it's the compassionate thing to do, according to leading imams). Or burning women to death because they will not submit to rape? You know, daily occurances in many Islamic states. Trying to make some sort of equivalency is beyond illogical, it's insulting.
Yes. And? It's common to negotiate rates in much of the world (I do it all the time in China with Kuaidi, Thailand directly, etc). But it does make it hard for an app vendor (Uber) to claim a value of over $60 billion...
Look at an AR15 and a KelTec SU-16. Which is the assault weapon? Both have the EXACT same operation, caliber, and use the same magazines. Both have the same barrel and overall length. Yet one is "black" and scary, the other is not. So one is an "assault weapon". If you really wanted to be effective, do like Nidal Hasan at Fort Hood and use a high capacity pistol. Easier to wield in confined areas, plenty of firepower, and much less recoil making follow-up shots that much easier.
But back to the point of the "assault weapon". Militaries do NOT use an AR15 or the SU-16. What they use is quite different, with selective fire operation, usually shorter (illegal length) barrels, and more. If you've ever disassembled both you'd recognize the differences. And with considerably upgraded internals. If the AR15 used is an "assault weapon" equivalent to a military weapon, then your new Jeep Renegade is just like that HMMWV used by our military.
But they can be scary looking, and that's all that matters, right?
Go up to a Christian in Rome and state you're gay. The worst that will happen is they'll tell you you're a sinner and you need to repent or go to hell. Now do the same in Mecca, and the Government will try you and sentence you to execution. Yes, I can see your point. A verse on a firearm is 100% equivalent with how you'll be treated by the rest of Islam for coming out as gay!
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What you just described as being required to buy a firearm is the law of the land in many States of the US - for example, in California where I live. You must buy from a licensed dealer (even if a person-to-person sale - it must be done at and through Federal Firearms Licensed dealer), the serial numbers are registered, and you have to have a current handgun license (renewable every 5 years). Some States are even more restrictive.
As far as the domestic violence record - there was none. There was an accusation, but no arrest, no trial, no conviction. And I assume that's fine in Australia too - if someone says you're violent, it takes more than just their word to ban firearm possession. There must be at least an arrest and an investigation.
So given all that - he would have been eligible to buy a firearm in Australia, and faced no more difficulty than hundreds of thousands face daily in the US.
It's not the firearm, or access to them - it's the crazies with the firearms that are the issue. It's the culture he bought into (one that says that "gays must be killed"), and in the US it's the inner-city gang mindset/culture that causes the overwhelming majority of our shootings. Nearly every weekend in Chicago and DC (both with some of the strictest gun laws in the US - tougher than those in Australia) dozens are shot and 6-10 die. Every weekend. Why? Gangland mentality. Shootings over "turf" or drug sales or simply "he disrespected me". It's NOT the firearms, it's the culture.
Last point: even factoring in this shooting, more people are killed every year in the US by hands or feet (beating or kicking to death) than are killed by rifles. It's the culture of violence that is the problem - not the tools used.
When thousands of other Muslims cheer the results of that one psycho - that's a bit different, no? When Imams call for more of that kind of killing, isn't that a bit different?
Ahh, my bad. Sorry about that! Just so many here are on the "guns are evil!" kick without understanding it's the person using them that is evil. The FBI just recently released statistics from the last 4 years, and you are more likely to be beaten or kicked to death than killed with a rifle. But evil black rifles are the focus because "gun".
Not according to the original "assault weapons" ban nor the State of California! Having a pistol grip and a threaded barrel is enough to get you an "assault weapons" marking. Or an accessory rail and forward hand grip... Don't need a folding stock (which really isn't used by the US military anyway) - just got to look evil and black!
Not from my experience. It's been rock-solid in operation. I've had one for 6 years now with thousands of rounds through it without a problem. It loads fine from the stock magazines supplied to using PMAGs to US issued metal magazines. Feeds reliably every time.
The entire population of Australia is about on par with that of the greater Los Angeles area. Of course, Australia is also a LOT more mono-culture than just Los Angeles, as well. Perhaps that has something to do with it?
Criminal or not, anyone that carry a gun concealed without a license goes right to jail, that's it. No more complicated than this.
I added that word "concealed". Now your statement would be true for about 95% of the population in the US. Carry a concealed gun without a license and you go to jail. Unless you're stating the issue isn't those hiding weapons, it's those carrying them about in plain sight?
Hmm... Australia "united" in 1901. So 4 mass shootings in 100 years. So about 1 every 25 years. So you're not "due" for another one for another 5 years or so?
You need to check your list again. Using a red blue election map, 19 of the top 30 are in blue States, 7 of the top 10 are in blue States.
If you look at Gary, Indiana (a State that historically was Blue and switched to Red for the last election) - a city that borders Illinois and Chicago (heck, East Chicago is right there in IN as well and is one of the cities on your list!) and is the "low cost drug" haven for most of Chicago, it would be 20 and 8.
Likewise for St. Louis as a spillover from the leader, East St. Louis; that would bring the lists to 21 and 9, Blue vs. Red. Check the list - it's dominated by Blue states and Blue cities (with Gary, IN being one standout, as it's really a suburb of Chicago, and St. Louis being a standout from the spillover from East St. Louis).
NJ and IL lead the list, accounting for 7 of the top 30 - and they are both solidly blue. The only solidly red States that have more than one entry are LA and MS; there are 6 multi-city blue states on the list...
Hmm... 19/30, 7/10, 21/30, 6/8 - there's a trend here. Seems that blue States are about 2-3 times more likely to show up on this list...
The first two are already law in most of the States topping the list of murders per capita. California is working on number 3 (ammo sales), but it's not going to do anything in terms of reducing gun violence...
Or maybe we can see assault weapons be taken off the streets. Had the ban enacted in the 1990s been active today, this massacre would not have happened. Simple as that. Support HR 4269, and get this thing to the president's desk so she can sign it. The carnage will end then.
Please explain the functional difference betwen an "assault weapon" and the Kel Tec SU-16ca. Note the SU-16ca is NOT an assault weapon by any definition. Yet it still uses the same magazines, the same ammunition, has the same ballistics as the "assault weapon" used in Orlando. But it does look "innocent" compared to the scary Evil Black Rifle so it's OK - and its identical cousin, the AR-15, is dressed up all different and would be banned.
Banning a weapon because it "looks mean" is what I'd expect from a 5 year old...
You know, we banned killing people, and we banned carrying firearms into that club. Ban didn't work, did it? And of course, you (obviously a Clinton supporter) expect the President to sign legislation to ban these weapons when the current President - and your hopeful President - actively allowed these weapons to be illegally purchased and provided to criminals.
what we have instead in this country, on both state-by-state basis, as well as a metro-area basis, is very clear correlations between gun prevalence and gun deaths. and it's summed up thus: more guns = more deaths.
The facts show otherwise.
Isn't that rather the problem? People distinguishing between religious beliefs, and then becoming violent over it?
Problem is, today it seems to be overwhelmingly a singular religion that lashes out with extreme violence over such comparisons. Perhaps the problem isn't religion on a whole, but just the one that demands everybody convert or be considered fair game for murder.
Huh. Perhaps it's the fact that Islam seeks to keep society at that 7th century level of morality and "justice" and tribalism that's the problem...
Thank you. You prove my point. Modern societies are tolerant. Backwards, 3rd world cesspools are not. The fact that all Islamic nations are not says which category they fall under. Sure, they may have big modern buildings and fast cars and great technology - all those things you can buy - but the people living in them, and the people running them, are no more advanced than the 7th century. And that's the idea - according to strict Sharia law, there is no need to advance beyond that in terms of morality, tolerance, and law.
The only reason there is any difference today is because Christians nations have (very recently) stopped allowing the church to be the government. When it was, the same shit happened. What you call "Muslim countries" are merely the countries where religion rules the government - they aren't even a majority of the Muslim countries, the other Muslim countries with secular governments are as aghast as those types of events as I am.
What secular Government Muslim countries are there? Indonesia? Malaysia? Turkey? Jordan? Mali? Can you name one of these LGBT tolerant/accepting secular Muslim that doesn't prosecute the LGBT community?
Christianity actually supports the entire concept of separation of church and State (Render under Caesar...). Islam DEMANDS that it be the Government and Sharia law (the law of religion) must be implemented. Thereby forcing theocracies. They may be republics or democracies or other forms of organization in name, but they are theocracies in practice.
So one priest goes rogue and now the entire religion is stained? With that standard then EVERY group you can ever imagine is responsible for the Orlando shooting, as I am sure we can find a way to tie them into it...
This is/. We hate anyone who is having sex (in any form) because we don't get any...
Now now, be honest - the KKK was a Democratic organization that regularly lynched Republicans. And even if we do talk about the 18th century, that's still 300 years ago. Yet stoning gays, tossing them off buildings, burning alive women who refuse to be raped is relatively common in many Muslim nations. I guess if you want to say they are only 300 years behind, instead of 600 - OK, you got me.
You're an idiot. Make sure and read the last part twice to realize the depth of your ignorance.
And how many of them actually go out and actively kill gays? How many links would you like back, showing modern Islamic states throwing gays off buildings (it's the compassionate thing to do, according to leading imams). Or burning women to death because they will not submit to rape? You know, daily occurances in many Islamic states. Trying to make some sort of equivalency is beyond illogical, it's insulting.
Yes. And? It's common to negotiate rates in much of the world (I do it all the time in China with Kuaidi, Thailand directly, etc). But it does make it hard for an app vendor (Uber) to claim a value of over $60 billion...
Look at an AR15 and a KelTec SU-16. Which is the assault weapon? Both have the EXACT same operation, caliber, and use the same magazines. Both have the same barrel and overall length. Yet one is "black" and scary, the other is not. So one is an "assault weapon". If you really wanted to be effective, do like Nidal Hasan at Fort Hood and use a high capacity pistol. Easier to wield in confined areas, plenty of firepower, and much less recoil making follow-up shots that much easier.
But back to the point of the "assault weapon". Militaries do NOT use an AR15 or the SU-16. What they use is quite different, with selective fire operation, usually shorter (illegal length) barrels, and more. If you've ever disassembled both you'd recognize the differences. And with considerably upgraded internals. If the AR15 used is an "assault weapon" equivalent to a military weapon, then your new Jeep Renegade is just like that HMMWV used by our military.
But they can be scary looking, and that's all that matters, right?
The Holocaust? Really? You're going to lay that at the feet of Christianity? Godwin is smiling...
Yes, really. So you can buy a rifles with a Bible verse on it. That is completely equivalent to Muslims tossing gays off buildings or Iran executing gays. Yes, completely equivalent! Why, put a Bible verse on your gun and you're as bad as burning 19 women to death because they wouldn't let you rape them.
Go up to a Christian in Rome and state you're gay. The worst that will happen is they'll tell you you're a sinner and you need to repent or go to hell. Now do the same in Mecca, and the Government will try you and sentence you to execution. Yes, I can see your point. A verse on a firearm is 100% equivalent with how you'll be treated by the rest of Islam for coming out as gay!