I never did and you know that. As I said you are only arguing against your own straw men. You have not addressed and argument I made, just the twists and spins you put on it.
You are not honest, you are not principled, and I am quite sure that if a god worth worshiping did exist it would be rather pissed at you.
You don't have the logical high ground, you don't have the moral ground, you just stand there screaming "me, me, me"....
I'm done, you lost every encounter by bad logic, ad hominem and straw men. See you at the pearly gates.
Of course you are sure. You have faith. A belief in unreason. And who tried to pigeon hole who? Are you a republican by any chance? You consistently accuse me of your own offences.
So it is he who prays loudest?
Go ahead. It will amuse me to warch fools shout each other down. Tehn you will ush and shove, then you will fight and hopefully that will be the end of all of it.
Lok you lost the argument over and over again. Not interested in your hypocrisy.
Bye.
Okay, which speech is protected Muslim or Christian?
Trouble is y'see, I'm not wrong. You are just being silly.
What makes you think praying on my sidewalk would piss me off? You are attacking your own straw men. Badly at that.
Since what you say is false there is not much to argue about. What you present as fact is not fact.
I guess your "faith" predicates that.
It is pointless arguing with a closed mind. I'll give up.
You realise you just don't know what you are talking about? You own words show it; "converge to a pattern"? "Carefully-crafted tests"? What is this shise? Ok, I take it back. You are incabable of writing such code.
If you are incapable of logic and reason why bother to try? You live in a faith based universe and I live in a reason based universe. I am trying to persuade you but you have 'faith' (unreason) as a barrier. I try to observe what reality is you have decided what reality is and anything that doesn't fit that idea is wrong. I believe in science, you believe in irrationality. Your lack of understanding amazes me.
Yes I do, I can just shout you down. You don't have protection from me telling you that you are spouting rubbish either. Better to avoid the situation of having people try to out heckle each other.
Nothing but straw men there. I happen to agree with that ruling. It was the correct thing to do. But that is reserving a room for a purpose which any religious or non-religious group could do.
That is not what we have been talking about is it? The room for the meal is not reserved and can contain people of any religious purview or none. Separate matter. So, reserve you room, have your prayers there and rejoin the rest. Don't inflict, force your viewpoints on them without giving them equal time - while the food get cold.
Ok, write that damn code. You can fake it maybe but if you do it honestly you will fail. You are just plain wrong and have been proven so thousands of times but you are not gong to accept that. Cast out the beam.
Same way Jesus is reported to have defined it. The way a christian should if they claim to follow him. If you know your bible (and you should do so better than I) then you already know exactly what that is.
Thank you for proving my point. You are quick to impose your unilateral rules on others, but when someone tries to do it to you, you get all huffy.
And no, it's not a strawman. If anything it's math. All I did was change "religion" to "speech" and continued to apply your interpretation. Both rights are equally protected by The Bill of Rights so if you can apply your loose interpretation on one, it should apply to the other.
Since I am not imposing rules or imposing anything on anyone merely commenting on what I thing, logical mistakes and failures in perspective what you have said does not accurately reflect anything. You can equate anything you like but that does not make the comparison accurate. Substituting lemons for oranges in a recipe can work well sometimes while on other occasions it is a tragedy.
In this particular case, no one is forcing anyone to pray. Anyone present is free to read, stare at the wall, eat or simply get up and leave. Just like when you talk, I don't have to listen. But telling people they are not allowed to pray because someone might get offended is no different than telling someone not to speak because someone might get offended. Since you are a non believer, a prayer is nothing more than words in your eyes anyway. If you were to be completely honest with yourself, you'd have to admit that prayer is nothing more than speech. You telling someone they can not pray in public is telling someone they can not speak in public simply because you do not like what they are saying or who they think they are saying it to.
I am not arguing for me alone. Perhaps there are several mormons or jews present. Whose prayers dominate? All I am seeing here is that you want "your way" while I am trying to consider the case for all. What if I venerate Lucifer Lightbringer? That makes your speech more than offensive. What if I venerate the Hindu gods? You want me to leave a public eating place because you want to have an excluding prayer?
No mate. If you follow the principle of infliction then you have to defer to the neutral.
People do not have the right to burn each other at the stake for different beliefs. If you support that then I will have to oppose to the point of death. And that is a bigger sacrifice than you can possibly make because you believe there is a soul to continue while I do not. I will oppose your right to burn people over religious issues to the point of my extinction full well understanding that you would find that outcome desirable.
It is not that you think it wrong it is that you are not thinking at all. You are operating on faith, one faith, and you cannot see all the conflicts it causes because you have 'faith'. You deliberately choose not to see. There are none so blind...
That is what faith means. Choosing to be blind, choosing to be ignorant, wilful stupidity. I am not expressing opinion here I am showing you the definition. There is nothing for you 'argue' about, it is all fact. Fact not faith.
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Not to the auth servers maybe but playing warcraft without a near perfect connection is not really possible.
You are not honest, you are not principled, and I am quite sure that if a god worth worshiping did exist it would be rather pissed at you.
You don't have the logical high ground, you don't have the moral ground, you just stand there screaming "me, me, me"....
I'm done, you lost every encounter by bad logic, ad hominem and straw men. See you at the pearly gates.
Of course you are sure. You have faith. A belief in unreason. And who tried to pigeon hole who? Are you a republican by any chance? You consistently accuse me of your own offences.
So it is he who prays loudest? Go ahead. It will amuse me to warch fools shout each other down. Tehn you will ush and shove, then you will fight and hopefully that will be the end of all of it. Lok you lost the argument over and over again. Not interested in your hypocrisy. Bye.
Okay, which speech is protected Muslim or Christian? Trouble is y'see, I'm not wrong. You are just being silly. What makes you think praying on my sidewalk would piss me off? You are attacking your own straw men. Badly at that.
Bullshit. Talking and prayer are not the same. Since you seem incapable of honesty I will leave your "god" to judge you.
Did I ever say they were not? Hence straw man.
Lose the straw.
Since what you say is false there is not much to argue about. What you present as fact is not fact. I guess your "faith" predicates that. It is pointless arguing with a closed mind. I'll give up.
Bzzt. Straw man. Changing subject. Moving the goal posts. FAIL.
You realise you just don't know what you are talking about? You own words show it; "converge to a pattern"? "Carefully-crafted tests"? What is this shise? Ok, I take it back. You are incabable of writing such code.
If you are incapable of logic and reason why bother to try? You live in a faith based universe and I live in a reason based universe. I am trying to persuade you but you have 'faith' (unreason) as a barrier. I try to observe what reality is you have decided what reality is and anything that doesn't fit that idea is wrong. I believe in science, you believe in irrationality. Your lack of understanding amazes me.
Ok, replace 'define' with 'explain'. No worries.
You do NOT have freedom from hearing me pray.
Yes I do, I can just shout you down. You don't have protection from me telling you that you are spouting rubbish either. Better to avoid the situation of having people try to out heckle each other.
Nothing but straw men there. I happen to agree with that ruling. It was the correct thing to do. But that is reserving a room for a purpose which any religious or non-religious group could do.
That is not what we have been talking about is it? The room for the meal is not reserved and can contain people of any religious purview or none. Separate matter. So, reserve you room, have your prayers there and rejoin the rest. Don't inflict, force your viewpoints on them without giving them equal time - while the food get cold.
Ok, write that damn code. You can fake it maybe but if you do it honestly you will fail. You are just plain wrong and have been proven so thousands of times but you are not gong to accept that. Cast out the beam.
Same way Jesus is reported to have defined it. The way a christian should if they claim to follow him. If you know your bible (and you should do so better than I) then you already know exactly what that is.
Thank you for proving my point. You are quick to impose your unilateral rules on others, but when someone tries to do it to you, you get all huffy.
And no, it's not a strawman. If anything it's math. All I did was change "religion" to "speech" and continued to apply your interpretation. Both rights are equally protected by The Bill of Rights so if you can apply your loose interpretation on one, it should apply to the other.
Since I am not imposing rules or imposing anything on anyone merely commenting on what I thing, logical mistakes and failures in perspective what you have said does not accurately reflect anything. You can equate anything you like but that does not make the comparison accurate. Substituting lemons for oranges in a recipe can work well sometimes while on other occasions it is a tragedy.
In this particular case, no one is forcing anyone to pray. Anyone present is free to read, stare at the wall, eat or simply get up and leave. Just like when you talk, I don't have to listen. But telling people they are not allowed to pray because someone might get offended is no different than telling someone not to speak because someone might get offended. Since you are a non believer, a prayer is nothing more than words in your eyes anyway. If you were to be completely honest with yourself, you'd have to admit that prayer is nothing more than speech. You telling someone they can not pray in public is telling someone they can not speak in public simply because you do not like what they are saying or who they think they are saying it to.
I am not arguing for me alone. Perhaps there are several mormons or jews present. Whose prayers dominate? All I am seeing here is that you want "your way" while I am trying to consider the case for all. What if I venerate Lucifer Lightbringer? That makes your speech more than offensive. What if I venerate the Hindu gods? You want me to leave a public eating place because you want to have an excluding prayer?
No mate. If you follow the principle of infliction then you have to defer to the neutral.
Really good with the strawmen and misrepresentation are you not? Dishonesty won't get you into heaven.
Seeing that you believe in the bible (selectively) and don't believe in evolution I question that you now fact from fancy.
Strawmen now?
If you are a geek you can write some code and see it in real time action. Evolution is most certainly a fact.
Your last para is correct. I prefer Jesus definitions not those of subsequent heretics. Thanks for the insults btw.
People do not have the right to burn each other at the stake for different beliefs. If you support that then I will have to oppose to the point of death. And that is a bigger sacrifice than you can possibly make because you believe there is a soul to continue while I do not. I will oppose your right to burn people over religious issues to the point of my extinction full well understanding that you would find that outcome desirable.
It is not that you think it wrong it is that you are not thinking at all. You are operating on faith, one faith, and you cannot see all the conflicts it causes because you have 'faith'. You deliberately choose not to see. There are none so blind...
That is what faith means. Choosing to be blind, choosing to be ignorant, wilful stupidity. I am not expressing opinion here I am showing you the definition. There is nothing for you 'argue' about, it is all fact. Fact not faith.
If you don't understand evolution, how/why are you on a tech blog?
The theory of evolution is as comprehensive or more as the theory of gravity.
There are no fairies in the bottom of the garden.
So you are saying that fictions should be tolerated and given the same acceptance as facts? Duck Fat!