In actuallity Brian I have not asked my minister.
I just looked back on this morning and have yet to even read the article but I certainly will when I get time this afternoon or this evening.
I did ask for a simple discussion without the sarcasm so if that is all that you have to contribute, I ask politely that you take it elsewhere.
Respectfully,
Rich
I guess that what I would have to say is....
Do the similarities prove evolution or do they prove a singal creator?
What you are telling me is very largely presumption. I see your logic but it only presumes, it does not confirm.
I still do not see these examples as proof of anything more than similarities between two (or more) wholely different animals.
I ask that if evolution from one species to another happened so many times (as it would have to) over millions of years, surely we should be able to find more examples of it... right?
I know that sound very snooty and I'm sorry... not meant to offend. I just beleive that with all the searching and researching that we surely would see hundreds or thousands of clear transitional species out there.
I know that I'm probably frustrating you greatly and again I apologize.
best,
Before you just write it off because it's from a man who deeply believes in the Bible and in God, read it and look at what he puts forth from a scientific perspective.
http://drdino.com/articles.php?spec=73
Very interesting article.... albeit much of it was over my head and I had to do further reading for some explanation of terms.
I don't think that this something that proves (or disproves) evolution.
I do believe that species can become stronger, weaker, etc... That's evident by looking dogs, or horses, etc... I think what I'm looking for is an actual instance where we can show that a species mutated in such way that we would begin to classify it differently.
I know that many will say that I'm just blinded by my religious beliefs and that I could say the same back about science but I do honestly wish to get beyond that kind of arguing.
Maybe I'm just a lost cause..... I just believe that there is not proof yet. I will read and discuss every thing that anyone has to throw at me so long as it's real and just not rhetoric and bashing as I am trying not to bash anyone who disagrees with me.
Thanks for a good article and for not just "slamming" someone who sees things differently.
from what I understand, mutation is only claimed to be part of evolution. Mutation is just that. When a species is mutated, it did not evolve, it mutated. There is not one case (unless you can show me) where there is what scientist's call beneficial mutation. In science books we see pictures of the 4-winged fly or of a cow with five legs and and explanation that this is negative or unadvantageous mutation. Why don't they show advantageous mutation?
In all seriousness, and not trying to be sarcastic, where is the example of good mutation? I do mean this in the most respectful way.
Asside from all the rhetoric... where are the transitional species (fossils)?
I know that most of this community will simply dismiss me because i come from the ID side of the argument but I have yet to see what i would consider to be real evidence of evolution or even of the age of the earth. Without all of the sarcasm, help me out here...
If you'll take the time to point me toward the real facts, I will certainly review them and rebut if possible or accept if proven.
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In actuallity Brian I have not asked my minister. I just looked back on this morning and have yet to even read the article but I certainly will when I get time this afternoon or this evening. I did ask for a simple discussion without the sarcasm so if that is all that you have to contribute, I ask politely that you take it elsewhere. Respectfully, Rich
I guess that what I would have to say is.... Do the similarities prove evolution or do they prove a singal creator? What you are telling me is very largely presumption. I see your logic but it only presumes, it does not confirm. I still do not see these examples as proof of anything more than similarities between two (or more) wholely different animals. I ask that if evolution from one species to another happened so many times (as it would have to) over millions of years, surely we should be able to find more examples of it... right? I know that sound very snooty and I'm sorry... not meant to offend. I just beleive that with all the searching and researching that we surely would see hundreds or thousands of clear transitional species out there. I know that I'm probably frustrating you greatly and again I apologize. best,
Before you just write it off because it's from a man who deeply believes in the Bible and in God, read it and look at what he puts forth from a scientific perspective. http://drdino.com/articles.php?spec=73
Very interesting article.... albeit much of it was over my head and I had to do further reading for some explanation of terms. I don't think that this something that proves (or disproves) evolution. I do believe that species can become stronger, weaker, etc... That's evident by looking dogs, or horses, etc... I think what I'm looking for is an actual instance where we can show that a species mutated in such way that we would begin to classify it differently. I know that many will say that I'm just blinded by my religious beliefs and that I could say the same back about science but I do honestly wish to get beyond that kind of arguing. Maybe I'm just a lost cause..... I just believe that there is not proof yet. I will read and discuss every thing that anyone has to throw at me so long as it's real and just not rhetoric and bashing as I am trying not to bash anyone who disagrees with me. Thanks for a good article and for not just "slamming" someone who sees things differently.
from what I understand, mutation is only claimed to be part of evolution. Mutation is just that. When a species is mutated, it did not evolve, it mutated. There is not one case (unless you can show me) where there is what scientist's call beneficial mutation. In science books we see pictures of the 4-winged fly or of a cow with five legs and and explanation that this is negative or unadvantageous mutation. Why don't they show advantageous mutation? In all seriousness, and not trying to be sarcastic, where is the example of good mutation? I do mean this in the most respectful way.
Asside from all the rhetoric... where are the transitional species (fossils)? I know that most of this community will simply dismiss me because i come from the ID side of the argument but I have yet to see what i would consider to be real evidence of evolution or even of the age of the earth. Without all of the sarcasm, help me out here... If you'll take the time to point me toward the real facts, I will certainly review them and rebut if possible or accept if proven.