Sexual life thrives on diversety. When mice are given the choice of mating with a mouse with similar immune system genes to them or one with differnt genes...they pick the differnt one.
"Pure Breeds" are just inbred. Its like the old wisdom goes "You have sex with your sister, and end up with stupid kids with buck teeth who only fuck chickens" (I forget where I got that quote from)
If you make a gene pool to small..it stagnates. The whole idea of "Purebreds" is to amplify certain "desirable" genes, many of which are normally recessive.
Unfortunaly when you do that...you amplify the recessive diseases too. The individuals get less and less healthy over several generations. Adding "new genes" to the pool replentishes their pool.
> Mental illness doesn't equal sad. It _is_ normal > to be "sad".... but major depression is > something different. >....If you have major depression, you should take > anti-depressants.
Just about everyone I know has experianced a major depression at some point in their lives. It happens.
I went through my major depression in my first year of Colledge. I ate twice a day at burger king, I slept ALL day, well into the evening, and sat online complaining all night. Spent my every waking hour obsessing over what was wrong with my life.
Its the reason I failed out of school. I never took a single anti-depressent. I got through it by dealing with the issues, and slowly adjusting my attitudes.
Yes, drugs work for some people. However I suspect for many they are just another mask that takes away the hurt and the pain, and allows them to be productive again.
If depression is caused exclusivly by chemical imbalence...then re-balanece will help. However when it is caused by other issues, it is only by facing those issues (sometimes with the help of a therapist, I didn't have the luxery of one.. if I did I may have stayed in school) not drugging yourself to happiness.
In short...depression IS normal. Normal people experiance it. The answer is to deal with the issues and move on, not to medicate it away. These days doctors are giving out Prozac like it is candy. It makes me sick, I know a few people on prozac...they almost never see a therapist to actually talk about problems and work through them...all the doctors want to do is "Oh your not feeling well anymore...well ill up the dose"
> Yes, it most certainly is. If you're diagnosed, > or more accurately labelled, with a syndrome, > you can't have a gun, just the same as if > someone charged you with a domestic violence. > Mind you, you aren't convicted of anything. > It's a very effective way to implement gun > control.
That is a frightening thought.
While I would definitly agree that there are psychological disorders that should preclude a person from operating dangerous devices (like a gun), the idea that this action can be "prescibed" so broadly is frightening.
{iinfo about compnesation deleted} > Now you know what's driving this.
Well yes and no. I think some of these things are motives at the local level, I do not doubt that 22% of americans are diagnosable. However... what does that mean?
I Could probably be diagnosed with ADD right now. Thats certainly a mental health issue. However, I function pretty well. I spent an entire year depressed once. It sucked, but hey...its normal shit happens.
No to go on my personal tirade...I think this is a sign of a sick society. I think that Western society in general has been on a rather dangerous path for at least a few thousand years now. However...I can only really comment in much depth on what I see around me today.
What does our society do?
We glorify money and abhor real spiritual and emotional growth. We have accepted and even glorified the idea that the few get rich and live lives of privilidge, off the work of others. Someone with money just has to put their money in the right place (think stocks) and overnight their money could double or tripple, or more. All sorts of more money, for doing nothing.
We have completely undermined the very foundations of our society. These days parents usually both work, leaving noone to care for children. The traditional teachers of social skills and morality are gone.
Have you ever wondered why tribal societies often have rites of passage for children as they enter adulthood? Have you noticed that as a culture we don't. We have a few fixed ages where suddenly "Oh look, your a man here are the keys". We have trivialized everything.
We are the "Fast Food Culture". Don't get me wrong I am not arguing for abandoning cities and breaking up into tribes and hunting wild game. Technology is great, its fine, but our culture is sick. If we don't fix it, it WILL get worst.
> First off, I'd argue that YHWH is the Christian > Trinity, but that's a theological discussion for > offline... =)
Well as a side note for your offline discussion remember...thats the same case that Islam makes. So Allah, YHWH, and the Christian God are all the same (according to the Koran which IS afterall by tradition the Word of God Himself as given to Muhammed by the Angel Gabriel directly)
> There's a really simple way to figure out which > God. A person takes everything that would be a > requirement/necessity for an entity to be God. > For example: eternal, outside of space/time, > sovereign over everything, omnipotent, > omniscient, etc.
Whao...thats quite a bit of inital assumptions. So why exactly does there have to be a God? Personally, I look around me, and I see no need to believe that everything around me was created by some deity. Just because current the current body of scientific knowledge can not describe the workings of the entire universe (and quite possibly never will) simply is a testiment to how complex things are, that does not necissarily mean it was created by some God.
If YOU feel the need to believe in God, go ahead. You have every right to believe in whatever God you chose. However, I wholly reject the idea that "Any intellectually honest person would have to conclude that the Christian God is the one and only God"
That sir, is intellectually dishonest, narrow minded thinking.
As quoted in the Principa Discordia (ie its a good quote but given the source, I take it with a grain of salt;) ) "The opposite of a simple truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true" -- Neils Bohr
> Well, most people generally find out what God > seems to want by reading the Bible.
No...thats how most CHRISTIANS figure out what they believe their god wants.
Considering that Christians arn't even "most people" on a worldwide scale...thats totally invalid (not ot mention most christians never really read the bible)
Just your daily dose of anti-ethnocentric posting you may return to your regularly schedualed flame war.
Interesting. So if some people start a community where everyone eorks, produces food, and shares in the food they grow....they are stealing food? (afterall that would be socialism in its purest form)
Well I guess that depends on your point of view doesn't it.
If life is nothing but an illusion...an overly complex program. Then terminating that program is really no differnt than starting it.
Perhaps your problem with ending a life is an extension of your survival program?
heh all in all it makes me think of a Zen koan I was reading... A monk sees a man in glasses, smoking a cigar enter the temple. He looks at the buddah statue and flicks his ashes on it. The monk says "Sir, would you please not flick your ashes on the statue" The man replies "Everything is buddah, so why does it matter?" The monk could not answer, and quietly walked away.
It is greedy. Its saying "I put work into this and im giving it to the community. You can use it and do what you want with it....but you have to give back to the community too if you change it"
It IS greedy. Its saying, heres my work...if you make it better...I wanna have that too.
ya know what....its greedy and I have no problem with it. I think its great.
hmm illegal to carry a slim jim.... now isn't that silly.
All it is is a piece of metal a foot or so long with a notch at the end (at least thats the type the police used here when a friend of mine locked himself out of his car)
Making a piece of metal illegal to carry seems just too silly to me. At least its good to know your lawmakers are just as stupid as ours here in the US.
This would be easy... just keep a slim jim in your coat...park your car in any large parking lot...leave the keys under the seat.
Goto the mall or wherever...come out...walk t your car. Pull out the slim jim...open the door.
Esp at malls where they have a van driving around the parking lot for security...it should arose alot of suspicion.
The obvious drawback is you could damage you car with the slim jim and have to have the locking mechanism fixed.
Of course...it seems to me these camera systems would work much better inside a store then in a parking lot. I mean...stores lose alot of money due to shoplifting, they don't lose much except reputation for having a safe parking lot if your car gets stolen.
Much better to just walk around inside department stores. Dart your head back and forth alot, looking into aisles not at merchandise...make lots of darting hand motions into your pockets etc
Sure it could be a fun way to kill a few hours but seems rather pointless:)
> It doesn't matter if I pay for the costs of > materials to duplicate. Just because you can't > actually physically hold the item, doesn't mean > you aren't stealing.
In your eyes maybe. However...not only do I disagree with you...so does the law.
Copyrighted works are NOT considered the same as property. Intellectual Property is a concept made up by lawyers at big companies.
Making a copy of something, for yourself, is ALWAYS legal. It is DISTRIBUTION that is illegal.
besides.... WHY is stealing wrong? Is it wrong because you are aquireing something without much work? well by that logic it would be stealing to pick up a $10 bill off the street or pick up a stereo out of someones garbage.
No. The aspect of stealing that makes it wrong is NOT your aquisition, but the fact that the rightful owner LOSES his posession.
Thus, copying is NOT stealing. It is copying. (unless you erase the owners copy) In this case "Unauthorized Distribution" is perhaps the best possible term (since the act of copying is covered under fair use)
> Can you prove that my intention is to pass > those sheets of paper as cash?
Heh well....no it can't be proven. However if it were a drug case and you had a bag of an oz of cannabis...you would be prosecuted for intent to distribute and probably be convicted...even if you had no intention to do so.
I would imagine it would work the same for money. Remember, despite what we may like to say, the court room is more a bullshit contest than anything else. Whoever can convince the Judge or Jury the best wins.
Certainly having sheets of $20 bills LOOKS really bad. (unless perhaps you had a room that was already half wallpapered with the stuff)
Burden of proof is only on the prosecution in theory, in truth its often on the defendant.
No and no. ALL I said was "I HEARD he was an asshole".
> Then shutup and stop stooping to a 3rd grade > level of name calling.
I NEVER said he was an asshole. I said I heard he was. Which of course means that someone I know who has met him, says he is an asshole. He also has a reputation for being one in some circles.
You however accuse me of calling him an asshole. I was simply making the point that no matter what you think of RMS (it was the person _I_ was replying to who called him a dork), he still makes a good point none the less.
Personally...I don't care whether he is or not. Its tottally besides the point.
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How about getting rid of them?
I mean seriously...they would be great for heating your home in a wood burning stove... but way to small to use as toilet paper without getting shit all over your hands.
> Would cash be worth anything if anyone could > just download a fifty and print it out?
No it wouldn't...the paper is just as good for wipeing your ass before you imprint the picture of money on it.
The whole idea of "Money has value" is so abstract its silly. Then again I think someone I know said it best "One of the reasons I am so bad with money is probably that its just not real to me"
> But if you know the math behind the watermark, > and you can extract it, you can erase it > by watermarking with the complement of the > original watermark. Naturally, this will be > illegal.
Well I would think there would be othr ways to defeat them. What if you add completely random noise to the picture? just a little bit to each pixel. I would imagine that might scramble the marking a bit.
Of course...since no law requires watermarking, it wouldn't be illegal at all. It would however be illegal to print it out and try to pass it off as cash (it MAY even be illegal just to print it out but...thats iffy - they could certainly prove intent)
Ok yes it is violent... is it any LESS violent than hitting and kicking them? which is likely to get you killed if they have a knife or gun themselves?
or maybe.... Mugger: "Hey bitch, hand over all your money now" bystander: "Sir, you realize what your doing is wrong don't you. How dare you steal from an old woman and hold her at knifepoint" **mugger breaks down crying and apologizes**
there now that is a very realistic alternative. Honest law-abiding citizens NEVER need guns.
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Thats mostly because your not inbreeding them.
Sexual life thrives on diversety. When mice
are given the choice of mating with a mouse
with similar immune system genes to them or
one with differnt genes...they pick the
differnt one.
"Pure Breeds" are just inbred. Its like the old
wisdom goes "You have sex with your sister, and
end up with stupid kids with buck teeth who
only fuck chickens" (I forget where I got that
quote from)
If you make a gene pool to small..it stagnates.
The whole idea of "Purebreds" is to amplify
certain "desirable" genes, many of which are
normally recessive.
Unfortunaly when you do that...you amplify the
recessive diseases too. The individuals get
less and less healthy over several generations.
Adding "new genes" to the pool replentishes their
pool.
> Dogs and coyotes may be "subspecies" of each
> other, as well as wolves; it's all a tangled
> mess.
Actually I have heard the argument (and agree with
it) that There is only Wolves. "Dogs are the
Same species and do not deserve their own
designation.
They are just horribly inbred to the point that
up to 20% of "Pure Breed" dogs have what would
otherwise be very rare genetic diseases in
wild wolves.
I supose you could call them a "Cultivar"
> Mental illness doesn't equal sad. It _is_ normal
> to be "sad".... but major depression is
> something different.
>....If you have major depression, you should take
> anti-depressants.
Just about everyone I know has experianced a
major depression at some point in their lives.
It happens.
I went through my major depression in my first
year of Colledge. I ate twice a day at burger
king, I slept ALL day, well into the evening,
and sat online complaining all night. Spent my
every waking hour obsessing over what was wrong
with my life.
Its the reason I failed out of school. I never
took a single anti-depressent. I got through it
by dealing with the issues, and slowly adjusting
my attitudes.
Yes, drugs work for some people. However I
suspect for many they are just another mask
that takes away the hurt and the pain, and
allows them to be productive again.
If depression is caused exclusivly by chemical
imbalence...then re-balanece will help. However
when it is caused by other issues, it is only
by facing those issues (sometimes with the help
of a therapist, I didn't have the luxery of one..
if I did I may have stayed in school) not
drugging yourself to happiness.
In short...depression IS normal. Normal people
experiance it. The answer is to deal with the
issues and move on, not to medicate it away.
These days doctors are giving out Prozac like
it is candy. It makes me sick, I know a few people
on prozac...they almost never see a therapist
to actually talk about problems and work through
them...all the doctors want to do is "Oh your
not feeling well anymore...well ill up the dose"
> Yes, it most certainly is. If you're diagnosed,
> or more accurately labelled, with a syndrome,
> you can't have a gun, just the same as if
> someone charged you with a domestic violence.
> Mind you, you aren't convicted of anything.
> It's a very effective way to implement gun
> control.
That is a frightening thought.
While I would definitly agree that there are
psychological disorders that should preclude
a person from operating dangerous devices (like
a gun), the idea that this action can be
"prescibed" so broadly is frightening.
{iinfo about compnesation deleted}
> Now you know what's driving this.
Well yes and no. I think some of these things are
motives at the local level, I do not doubt that
22% of americans are diagnosable. However...
what does that mean?
I Could probably be diagnosed with ADD right now.
Thats certainly a mental health issue. However,
I function pretty well. I spent an entire year
depressed once. It sucked, but hey...its normal
shit happens.
No to go on my personal tirade...I think this is
a sign of a sick society. I think that Western
society in general has been on a rather dangerous
path for at least a few thousand years now.
However...I can only really comment in much depth
on what I see around me today.
What does our society do?
We glorify money and abhor real spiritual and
emotional growth. We have accepted and even
glorified the idea that the few get rich and live
lives of privilidge, off the work of others.
Someone with money just has to put their money
in the right place (think stocks) and overnight
their money could double or tripple, or more.
All sorts of more money, for doing nothing.
We have completely undermined the very foundations
of our society. These days parents usually both
work, leaving noone to care for children. The
traditional teachers of social skills and morality
are gone.
Have you ever wondered why tribal societies often
have rites of passage for children as they enter
adulthood? Have you noticed that as a culture
we don't. We have a few fixed ages where suddenly
"Oh look, your a man here are the keys". We have
trivialized everything.
We are the "Fast Food Culture". Don't get me wrong
I am not arguing for abandoning cities and
breaking up into tribes and hunting wild game.
Technology is great, its fine, but our culture is
sick. If we don't fix it, it WILL get worst.
Then again...maybe im just mentally ill
> First off, I'd argue that YHWH is the Christian
;) )
> Trinity, but that's a theological discussion for
> offline... =)
Well as a side note for your offline discussion
remember...thats the same case that Islam makes.
So Allah, YHWH, and the Christian God are all
the same (according to the Koran which IS
afterall by tradition the Word of God Himself
as given to Muhammed by the Angel Gabriel
directly)
> There's a really simple way to figure out which
> God. A person takes everything that would be a
> requirement/necessity for an entity to be God.
> For example: eternal, outside of space/time,
> sovereign over everything, omnipotent,
> omniscient, etc.
Whao...thats quite a bit of inital assumptions.
So why exactly does there have to be a God?
Personally, I look around me, and I see no need
to believe that everything around me was
created by some deity. Just because current the
current body of scientific knowledge can not
describe the workings of the entire universe (and
quite possibly never will) simply is a testiment
to how complex things are, that does not
necissarily mean it was created by some God.
If YOU feel the need to believe in God, go ahead.
You have every right to believe in whatever
God you chose. However, I wholly reject the idea
that "Any intellectually honest person would have
to conclude that the Christian God is the one and
only God"
That sir, is intellectually dishonest, narrow
minded thinking.
As quoted in the Principa Discordia (ie its a good
quote but given the source, I take it with a
grain of salt
"The opposite of a simple truth is plainly false.
The opposite of a great truth is also true"
-- Neils Bohr
> Well, most people generally find out what God
> seems to want by reading the Bible.
No...thats how most CHRISTIANS figure out what
they believe their god wants.
Considering that Christians arn't even "most
people" on a worldwide scale...thats totally
invalid (not ot mention most christians never
really read the bible)
Just your daily dose of anti-ethnocentric posting
you may return to your regularly schedualed flame war.
Socialism is stealing food?
Interesting. So if some people start a community
where everyone eorks, produces food, and shares
in the food they grow....they are stealing food?
(afterall that would be socialism in its purest
form)
ill have to remember that.
Well I guess that depends on your point of
view doesn't it.
If life is nothing but an illusion...an overly
complex program. Then terminating that program
is really no differnt than starting it.
Perhaps your problem with ending a life is an
extension of your survival program?
heh all in all it makes me think of a Zen koan
I was reading...
A monk sees a man in glasses, smoking a cigar
enter the temple. He looks at the buddah statue
and flicks his ashes on it. The monk says
"Sir, would you please not flick your ashes on
the statue"
The man replies "Everything is buddah, so why
does it matter?"
The monk could not answer, and quietly
walked away.
Yup your right.
It is greedy. Its saying "I put work into this
and im giving it to the community. You can use
it and do what you want with it....but you
have to give back to the community too if you
change it"
It IS greedy. Its saying, heres my work...if you
make it better...I wanna have that too.
ya know what....its greedy and I have no
problem with it. I think its great.
BTW am I the only person who thinks it is
very much backwards to be at the Newsstand and
see an Ebay magazine?
Kind of silly if ya ask me.
hmmm It would be kinda cool if you could bid for
stock on ebay...be more fun then the silly system
they have set up now for stock trading.
Oh well...its all just paper with funny pictures
on it anyway.
yes yesy yes... etrade not ebay
Its been a long day and I have had neither
coffee nor lunch....considering I abhor the former
I think it is time for the latter.
ARRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHH
I got the Red Hat letter...was like 2 days
too late in gettings started with the Ebay
acount setup...missed out.
I got the VA letter...but no cash to take
advantage....man.
I am definitly happy for VA...great company but
damn.
hmm illegal to carry a slim jim....
now isn't that silly.
All it is is a piece of metal a foot
or so long with a notch at the end (at
least thats the type the police used here
when a friend of mine locked himself out
of his car)
Making a piece of metal illegal to carry seems
just too silly to me. At least its good to
know your lawmakers are just as stupid as ours
here in the US.
This would be easy...
:)
just keep a slim jim in your coat...park your
car in any large parking lot...leave the
keys under the seat.
Goto the mall or wherever...come out...walk t
your car. Pull out the slim jim...open the
door.
Esp at malls where they have a van driving around
the parking lot for security...it should arose
alot of suspicion.
The obvious drawback is you could damage you car
with the slim jim and have to have the locking
mechanism fixed.
Of course...it seems to me these camera
systems would work much better inside a store then
in a parking lot. I mean...stores lose alot
of money due to shoplifting, they don't lose much
except reputation for having a safe parking lot
if your car gets stolen.
Much better to just walk around inside department
stores. Dart your head back and forth alot,
looking into aisles not at merchandise...make lots
of darting hand motions into your pockets etc
Sure it could be a fun way to kill a few hours but
seems rather pointless
>> This sound like measure people's ears to tell
;)
>> if they are going to become a criminal, or
>> Jewish.
> People have been using ears to tell if someone's
> becoming Jewish for decades, now
Yea, but they have been using something else for
a lot longer....since the roman empire even....
"A Jew Huh?"
"I swear I jumped and he missed, I go in on
tuesday they give me a local snip and its done"
Well in the Jewish community...we know who gets
the best tips
-Steve
> It doesn't matter if I pay for the costs of
> materials to duplicate. Just because you can't
> actually physically hold the item, doesn't mean
> you aren't stealing.
In your eyes maybe. However...not only do I
disagree with you...so does the law.
Copyrighted works are NOT considered the same
as property. Intellectual Property is a concept
made up by lawyers at big companies.
Making a copy of something, for yourself, is
ALWAYS legal. It is DISTRIBUTION that is illegal.
besides.... WHY is stealing wrong?
Is it wrong because you are aquireing something
without much work? well by that logic it would
be stealing to pick up a $10 bill off the street
or pick up a stereo out of someones garbage.
No. The aspect of stealing that makes it wrong is
NOT your aquisition, but the fact that the
rightful owner LOSES his posession.
Thus, copying is NOT stealing. It is copying.
(unless you erase the owners copy) In this case
"Unauthorized Distribution" is perhaps the best
possible term (since the act of copying is
covered under fair use)
> Can you prove that my intention is to pass
> those sheets of paper as cash?
Heh well....no it can't be proven. However
if it were a drug case and you had a bag of
an oz of cannabis...you would be prosecuted
for intent to distribute and probably be
convicted...even if you had no intention
to do so.
I would imagine it would work the same for money.
Remember, despite what we may like to say, the
court room is more a bullshit contest than
anything else. Whoever can convince the Judge
or Jury the best wins.
Certainly having sheets of $20 bills LOOKS
really bad. (unless perhaps you had a room that
was already half wallpapered with the stuff)
Burden of proof is only on the prosecution in
theory, in truth its often on the defendant.
I happen to agree....
so um...what were we arguing about?
> Have you ever met RMS? Do you know him?
No and no. ALL I said was "I HEARD he was an
asshole".
> Then shutup and stop stooping to a 3rd grade
> level of name calling.
I NEVER said he was an asshole. I said I heard he
was. Which of course means that someone I know
who has met him, says he is an asshole. He also
has a reputation for being one in some circles.
You however accuse me of calling him an asshole.
I was simply making the point that no matter what
you think of RMS (it was the person _I_ was
replying to who called him a dork), he still
makes a good point none the less.
Personally...I don't care whether he is or not.
Its tottally besides the point.
How about getting rid of them?
I mean seriously...they would be great for
heating your home in a wood burning stove...
but way to small to use as toilet paper without
getting shit all over your hands.
kinda useless if ya ask me
> Would cash be worth anything if anyone could
> just download a fifty and print it out?
No it wouldn't...the paper is just as good for
wipeing your ass before you imprint the picture
of money on it.
The whole idea of "Money has value" is so abstract
its silly. Then again I think someone I know
said it best "One of the reasons I am so bad
with money is probably that its just not real to
me"
> But if you know the math behind the watermark,
> and you can extract it, you can erase it
> by watermarking with the complement of the
> original watermark. Naturally, this will be
> illegal.
Well I would think there would be othr ways
to defeat them. What if you add completely random
noise to the picture? just a little bit to each
pixel. I would imagine that might scramble the
marking a bit.
Of course...since no law requires watermarking,
it wouldn't be illegal at all. It would however
be illegal to print it out and try to pass it off
as cash (it MAY even be illegal just to print it
out but...thats iffy - they could certainly prove
intent)
Well some might argue a strong case for :)
John F Kennedy...I think you know the when and
where
There have been numerous attempts to kill people
(like Castro). Who knows how many have been killed
by the CIA et al.
Of course...this is all completly besides the
point.
Actually I heard RMS is an asshole.
However that doesn't make his point invalid.
Piracy, while an accepted term, belies the
nature of the crime. Nothing is stolen, only
copied.
"Unauthorized Copying" *IS* a more accurate
term, the reputation of its advocate
not withstanding nor relevant
Ok yes it is violent...
is it any LESS violent than hitting and
kicking them? which is likely to get you
killed if they have a knife or gun themselves?
or maybe....
Mugger: "Hey bitch, hand over all your money now"
bystander: "Sir, you realize what your doing is
wrong don't you. How dare you steal from an
old woman and hold her at knifepoint"
**mugger breaks down crying and apologizes**
there now that is a very realistic alternative.
Honest law-abiding citizens NEVER need guns.