So the woman, who appeared as though she had been recently beaten, opened the door and allowed the cops in, she was not in her right mind? The "right mind" action for her was to tell the cops to get lost, thus allowing the gang material and guns of her gangster boyfriend to remain in the house?
Except that isn't really accurate now is it:
Fernandez was arrested in connection with the street robbery and taken away. An hour later, police returned and searched his apartment, this time with Rojas' consent. They found a shotgun and gang-related material.
So they removed him from the situation....so....there was no longer any emergency. They had left for an hour, while arresting him. There was no emergency situation at the time of the search, it was done after the fact. There was really no excuse for not getting a warrant for the search.
It does matter, because it used to be that if police asked, and got denied, they had to go get a warrant. Now, they can play the mommy/daddy game.
Ask one person, if they say no, go and ask the other. No need to be truthfull or anything. Police are allowed to lie, so all they have to do is go manufacture the consent of someone else, who may even just be a disgruntled roomate.
I certainly hope such "permission" would not extend to individual areas, like personal bedrooms. As a landord who rented rooms to people. Common areas are one thing, but, personal space is personal space and something people often pay for.
Frankly, at this point, I don't think police can be trusted to ever have a search without a warrant. We should require more warrants from them not less. This is the wrong direction.
And not even a bad implementation of the currency itself, a bad implementation of the exchange. This is nothing new, people have been finding ways to scam systems since systems existed to be scammed.
However, that they allowed their bankroll go so low before they realized there was a problem, they should have been looking to shut down the exchange and fix it long before it got that bad.
However this security measure would be exactly as effective as all their others, and is every bit as needed. So I think it makes a lot of sense, at least as much sense as having a TSA in the first place.
Someone did a study a while back and found that the amount of money the RIAA/MPAA has spent on legal costs far exceeds the amount of money they have received in settlements. Something that everyone (excecpt the RIAA/MPAA Mafia) already knew.
Then someone didn't look at the right numbers, because those are the wrong ones to think about.
The RIAA is not its members. Its members publish music. The RIAA is an industry association which they contract to represent them and fight for them. The RIAA is, in some ways, little more than a merger of a law firm and a PAC. They do not sell music... they sell the idea that their services are good for the industry and their members.
I garauntee you that somewhere in the occasional statements that the RIAA makes to its members about how effective it is, they quote the total damages awarded to them as evidence of their effectiveness. High damage totals mean more to them then whether or not the settlement pays out in the end.
Those settlements are not what keeps the RIAA going, they don't have to be profitable any more than a department store's "loss prevention" (security) department needs to be profitable. All they really need to do, is convince their members that they are worth keeping around.
So it doesn't really need to be cost effective so much as more cost effective than an individual label doing all their own investigation and lawsuits.
I am ok with that.... as long as they do it exactly like bars do....
That is, screen first, then sell the tickets on the other side of the checkpoint; that way they only sell tickets to people who have already been screened for extra safety.
I think you miss what they mean when they say people. See, when the NSA spys on nameless faceless Americans, that, is surveillance. Its not victimizing people. However, when they spy on someone like Angela Merkel; that is an outrage, because she is a real person with a face and a name....she is someone who matters.
Corperations are people like Angela Merkel is a person. They are real, they matter. They are not you, some nameless faceless peon; barely fit to eat the scraps a real person drops from their table.
You left out the option of having no war at all. None of this changes that it was an aggressive union that started the war. The war which was fought, primarily, to deny self governance.
Yes, the winners get to write history and apply whatever terms they want to justify their actions, it doesn't mean anyone else has to accept that version of history. I don't, there never was a civil war between the US and CSS...a war over land and self governance, and self governance lost the war.
Sure but, they had already left and formed the CSS. It doesn't really matter what their reasons were, the fact is, they did - as was their right to do so; regardless of the reason.
So yes, the core issue was one of self-government. They broke off and began self-governing; and had already left before the war started. The war was not about slave trade, the war was about what happened after they could not reconcile and tried to go their separate way.
> Wasn't aware the CIA and NSA were founded before the Civil War. > There are no real winners in war. Particularly that fucking one.
The US/Confederate aka The War of Northern Aggression, was a war to crush the confederate states of America and re-unite the old tattered union. Frankly, the US didn't even care about the slavery issue and even offered them a chance to rejoin and keep their slaves (amusingly called it the Emancipation Proclamation")
Since the CSS had the goal of "Repel the invaders and survive as a nation" and the US has the goal of disposing of the southern people's right to self government, I think we can say, pretty unequivocally that the US won that war.
They can't ban nails, but they may need to be individually serial numbered, stored in locked containers, and their final driving place recorded. Of course, this only works if we institute licenses for the purchase and possession of nails.
Obviously, of course, there are many nails out there in middle class white suburban homes, so when found in such places, we can simply warn people about them. However, we know urban minorities have no excuse to have any at home, so we can nail them to the wall!
I am kind of hoping they will close the loophole and find the equality is still violated. If so, then i actually expect the headline "Do far away stars disprove quantum mechanics?"
> That is, I think it would be more likely to corrupt the FBI than to clean up the NSA's investigation of > Americans.
Corrupt the FBI? The FBI are as incorruptible as the proverbial satan. We are talking about the people who have so precious little to really do that they go around creating criminals to arrest. These are the people who go after little shit online troublemakers and find mentally unstable people who they can shove a bomb in the hands of.
A while back Bruce Schnieir had his "Movie Plot Terrorism" contests. One of the early ones was to come up with a plot that could only be reasonably stopped by banning some innocuous household item. I found out a bit late to make an entry, and he changed the rules the next year to something else.... but my idea for an entry basically involved several people dropping sacks of flour from building roofs to create a sudden flour cloud in a square and then ignite the whole area into one big fireball.
Most front-line TSA agents despise the absurd rules they are ordered to enforce just as much as the public whose items are confiscated due to the rules. Ask almost any TSA employee what his or her least favorite part about the job is, and the answer will usually include a long list of managers, federal security directors, and other higher-ups.
Yes most people hate their jobs. The difference is, most people's jobs actually have some kind of point other than providing something for politicians to cover their asses with. Most people's jobs are not, 100% counterproductive.
Sorry, but I have no sympathy. You sign up to be part of the CYA jobs program, you get what you signed up for. You are the one who decides other people's travel plans and good day are worth less to you than your paycheck. You are the one who decides these stupid abusive orders are ok to follow.
The front line TSA agent bears 100% responsibility for his own actions, increasing the number of people involved should not decrease liability, it should compound it. Responsibility is not an either or. Its not either the front line is responsible or the higher ups are, they are ALL fully responsible for their own actions and for the actions they ask others to do.
Guilt is not some pie that gets sliced up and passed around. Each individual gets their own full one.
The false positive vs flase negatives are two different error conditions. A 95% accuracy is great, if you have only 4 suspects, and you are pretty sure one of them has to be the one, and a 95% accurate test separates out one of them.... awesome.
However, unless there are many more people pretending to be 16 year old girls than 16 year old girls, which seems highly unlikely.
That said, judging age can be hard. There was a small group of people that I used to IRC with in my early 20s. After about 3 or 4 years of nearly daily interaction in channel, I was showing off something that revealed my age, and one of them said "hey we are the same age, I always thought you were much older, in your 30s". Funny thing was, I thought the same thing about him.
Of course at this point, I am not even sure how I would impersonate a 16 year old girl, I don't think I could keep it up long except maybe by finding some 16 year old girl's facebook page and using it as a source material.
Then again, for all I know, maybe someone out there thinks I sound like a 16 year old girl now.
Really? And aside from them telling you their choice and their feelings, have you ever actually run across a vegetarian or vegan who actually tried to convince you to adopt their worldview? I have known a number of them, and not a one has actually tried. The most they have done is... informed me when trying to order food or when offering to cook for them, that they don't eat meat.
In fact, I can't recall the last vegan or vegetarian who even bothered to expound upon why they don't eat meat, other than that they don't.
I mean, I am sure that there are some out there, there are always a few, but, I would have trouble believing its more than mid ro low single digit percentages.
You have to understand government reasoning though...
The fact that there were over 2,000 is evidence of the threats and the need...afterall, they never would have issued NSLs if they didn't need them, therefore thats 2,000 cases of legitimate terrorist investigation!
See its really a huge problem.... need evidence? That is your evidence, just look how many times they used it!
If the number goes down, its evidence that its working, if the number goes up, its evidence they need to do even more!
> And that would be fine if that's what it were but it seems to be billed as some kind of breakthrough
Sure but what isn't billed as some kind of breakthrough? Esepcially if that thing is either looking for investors or looking to stroke the ones they already have. What constitutes a breakthrough is really a matter of opinion anyway.
> Giving people who are allergic to them a tasty analog is worthwhile -- but is it along the > other kinds of problems Bill Gates is trying to combat? No.
Isn't it up to Mr Gates to determine what is or is not worthwhile? It is, afterall, his money.
> For what it's worth raising chickens is pretty damn environmentally friendly if done properly.
Yes well... that can be quite an if at times
> If you want to help the world then help get more people (even in the cities) into raising chickens and collecting honey.
None of which is impeded by also producing an egg substitute.
Kind of reminds me of the country side of my family complaining about city folk who move out their way. "First they move outside the city, then they complain about the smell of cow shit, where did they think they were moving?"
While I mostly agree, there are issues with people who have to avoid eggs for other reasons. Egg allergies, for example. Whatever the reason, the fact remains some people, either by choice or by medical need, don't eat eggs. That means, there is a market for egg subsitutes for any food that uses egg as an integral part.
Cakes, for example, use egg. Cookies use egg. There are already ways to substitute egg in these but, there are drawbacks to any substitution and well, more options are better.
The existance of the market for egg substitute is a perfectly fine reason to work on making fake eggs. They will likely, in no way, compete with real eggs....only with other substitutions.
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Except that isn't really accurate now is it:
So they removed him from the situation....so....there was no longer any emergency. They had left for an hour, while arresting him. There was no emergency situation at the time of the search, it was done after the fact. There was really no excuse for not getting a warrant for the search.
It does matter, because it used to be that if police asked, and got denied, they had to go get a warrant. Now, they can play the mommy/daddy game.
Ask one person, if they say no, go and ask the other. No need to be truthfull or anything. Police are allowed to lie, so all they have to do is go manufacture the consent of someone else, who may even just be a disgruntled roomate.
I certainly hope such "permission" would not extend to individual areas, like personal bedrooms. As a landord who rented rooms to people. Common areas are one thing, but, personal space is personal space and something people often pay for.
Frankly, at this point, I don't think police can be trusted to ever have a search without a warrant. We should require more warrants from them not less. This is the wrong direction.
And not even a bad implementation of the currency itself, a bad implementation of the exchange. This is nothing new, people have been finding ways to scam systems since systems existed to be scammed.
However, that they allowed their bankroll go so low before they realized there was a problem, they should have been looking to shut down the exchange and fix it long before it got that bad.
You have a chicken? Would you consider trading for eggs? I have a goat, how many eggs can I get for that?
However this security measure would be exactly as effective as all their others, and is every bit as needed. So I think it makes a lot of sense, at least as much sense as having a TSA in the first place.
I am ok with that.... as long as they do it exactly like bars do....
That is, screen first, then sell the tickets on the other side of the checkpoint; that way they only sell tickets to people who have already been screened for extra safety.
I think you miss what they mean when they say people. See, when the NSA spys on nameless faceless Americans, that, is surveillance. Its not victimizing people. However, when they spy on someone like Angela Merkel; that is an outrage, because she is a real person with a face and a name....she is someone who matters.
Corperations are people like Angela Merkel is a person. They are real, they matter. They are not you, some nameless faceless peon; barely fit to eat the scraps a real person drops from their table.
I am familiar with the term thanks.
This is why I don't use the term civil war.
You left out the option of having no war at all. None of this changes that it was an aggressive union that started the war. The war which was fought, primarily, to deny self governance.
Yes, the winners get to write history and apply whatever terms they want to justify their actions, it doesn't mean anyone else has to accept that version of history. I don't, there never was a civil war between the US and CSS...a war over land and self governance, and self governance lost the war.
Sure but, they had already left and formed the CSS. It doesn't really matter what their reasons were, the fact is, they did - as was their right to do so; regardless of the reason.
So yes, the core issue was one of self-government. They broke off and began self-governing; and had already left before the war started. The war was not about slave trade, the war was about what happened after they could not reconcile and tried to go their separate way.
How is that not a self-government issue?
> Wasn't aware the CIA and NSA were founded before the Civil War.
> There are no real winners in war. Particularly that fucking one.
The US/Confederate aka The War of Northern Aggression, was a war to crush the confederate states of America and re-unite the old tattered union. Frankly, the US didn't even care about the slavery issue and even offered them a chance to rejoin and keep their slaves (amusingly called it the Emancipation Proclamation")
Since the CSS had the goal of "Repel the invaders and survive as a nation" and the US has the goal of disposing of the southern people's right to self government, I think we can say, pretty unequivocally that the US won that war.
They can't ban nails, but they may need to be individually serial numbered, stored in locked containers, and their final driving place recorded. Of course, this only works if we institute licenses for the purchase and possession of nails.
Obviously, of course, there are many nails out there in middle class white suburban homes, so when found in such places, we can simply warn people about them. However, we know urban minorities have no excuse to have any at home, so we can nail them to the wall!
Gotta stay safe you know.
I am kind of hoping they will close the loophole and find the equality is still violated. If so, then i actually expect the headline "Do far away stars disprove quantum mechanics?"
> That is, I think it would be more likely to corrupt the FBI than to clean up the NSA's investigation of
> Americans.
Corrupt the FBI? The FBI are as incorruptible as the proverbial satan. We are talking about the people who have so precious little to really do that they go around creating criminals to arrest. These are the people who go after little shit online troublemakers and find mentally unstable people who they can shove a bomb in the hands of.
Corrupt them?
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A while back Bruce Schnieir had his "Movie Plot Terrorism" contests. One of the early ones was to come up with a plot that could only be reasonably stopped by banning some innocuous household item. I found out a bit late to make an entry, and he changed the rules the next year to something else.... but my idea for an entry basically involved several people dropping sacks of flour from building roofs to create a sudden flour cloud in a square and then ignite the whole area into one big fireball.
There.... now ban....um....sacks of flour?
Yes most people hate their jobs. The difference is, most people's jobs actually have some kind of point other than providing something for politicians to cover their asses with. Most people's jobs are not, 100% counterproductive.
Sorry, but I have no sympathy. You sign up to be part of the CYA jobs program, you get what you signed up for. You are the one who decides other people's travel plans and good day are worth less to you than your paycheck. You are the one who decides these stupid abusive orders are ok to follow.
The front line TSA agent bears 100% responsibility for his own actions, increasing the number of people involved should not decrease liability, it should compound it. Responsibility is not an either or. Its not either the front line is responsible or the higher ups are, they are ALL fully responsible for their own actions and for the actions they ask others to do.
Guilt is not some pie that gets sliced up and passed around. Each individual gets their own full one.
Well, exactly.... its a base rate fallacy.
The false positive vs flase negatives are two different error conditions. A 95% accuracy is great, if you have only 4 suspects, and you are pretty sure one of them has to be the one, and a 95% accurate test separates out one of them.... awesome.
However, unless there are many more people pretending to be 16 year old girls than 16 year old girls, which seems highly unlikely.
That said, judging age can be hard. There was a small group of people that I used to IRC with in my early 20s. After about 3 or 4 years of nearly daily interaction in channel, I was showing off something that revealed my age, and one of them said "hey we are the same age, I always thought you were much older, in your 30s". Funny thing was, I thought the same thing about him.
Of course at this point, I am not even sure how I would impersonate a 16 year old girl, I don't think I could keep it up long except maybe by finding some 16 year old girl's facebook page and using it as a source material.
Then again, for all I know, maybe someone out there thinks I sound like a 16 year old girl now.
Really? And aside from them telling you their choice and their feelings, have you ever actually run across a vegetarian or vegan who actually tried to convince you to adopt their worldview? I have known a number of them, and not a one has actually tried. The most they have done is... informed me when trying to order food or when offering to cook for them, that they don't eat meat.
In fact, I can't recall the last vegan or vegetarian who even bothered to expound upon why they don't eat meat, other than that they don't.
I mean, I am sure that there are some out there, there are always a few, but, I would have trouble believing its more than mid ro low single digit percentages.
You have to understand government reasoning though...
The fact that there were over 2,000 is evidence of the threats and the need...afterall, they never would have issued NSLs if they didn't need them, therefore thats 2,000 cases of legitimate terrorist investigation!
See its really a huge problem.... need evidence? That is your evidence, just look how many times they used it!
If the number goes down, its evidence that its working, if the number goes up, its evidence they need to do even more!
> And that would be fine if that's what it were but it seems to be billed as some kind of breakthrough
Sure but what isn't billed as some kind of breakthrough? Esepcially if that thing is either looking for investors or looking to stroke the ones they already have. What constitutes a breakthrough is really a matter of opinion anyway.
> Giving people who are allergic to them a tasty analog is worthwhile -- but is it along the
> other kinds of problems Bill Gates is trying to combat? No.
Isn't it up to Mr Gates to determine what is or is not worthwhile? It is, afterall, his money.
> For what it's worth raising chickens is pretty damn environmentally friendly if done properly.
Yes well... that can be quite an if at times
> If you want to help the world then help get more people (even in the cities) into raising chickens and collecting honey.
None of which is impeded by also producing an egg substitute.
Kind of reminds me of the country side of my family complaining about city folk who move out their way. "First they move outside the city, then they complain about the smell of cow shit, where did they think they were moving?"
While I mostly agree, there are issues with people who have to avoid eggs for other reasons. Egg allergies, for example. Whatever the reason, the fact remains some people, either by choice or by medical need, don't eat eggs. That means, there is a market for egg subsitutes for any food that uses egg as an integral part.
Cakes, for example, use egg. Cookies use egg. There are already ways to substitute egg in these but, there are drawbacks to any substitution and well, more options are better.
The existance of the market for egg substitute is a perfectly fine reason to work on making fake eggs. They will likely, in no way, compete with real eggs....only with other substitutions.