I completely agree except for one thing.... and I am looking at YOU redhat..... if the system default that they come to expect is that ls output is unreadable due to dircolors being the distribution default which assumes a light colored background.... that should be fixed with extreme prejudice.
Lets see.... I haven't worked there in almost 2 years, so the buddy i was working with was almost 4 years, and it was a year or two between then and when we were going out drinking after work so....
Yah it was about 6 years ago, heading back and forth between work and the bar.... which happens to be in a marina our building was 1 street back from the docks).... we were walking by, looking down and saying...
"Fuck that is a lot of jellyfish" "More than I ever seen, its like they are.... taking over the ocean"
I mean, I know we were looking at a vanishingly small sample but.... if other areas looked like the harbor here did then.... taking over is no understatement.
I actually was about to post that....with one caveat: Look carefully at versions
Admittedly I haven't worked with conserver since 2005, but it was solid then and I can't imagine it has changed much since. The last time I grabbed it, I found that the source had forked a couple of times and the name "conserver" actually refered to 2 or three different versions of the same program, each with slightly different feature sets.
Few things are more frustrating than trying to figure out why a program isn't working because you are reading the docs for the wrong one.
That said, the conserver we ended up using was simple, lightweight, and did exactly what we wanted.... provide named console access from a single place.
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My point is that there is nothing wrong with bitcoin as a currency. It is as good as gold, as good as the dollar. But it just has a smaller market for now, which gives it the flaws people point out here. Any new currency would have the problems bitcoin is having. It may fail in the end, but that does not mean it was a bad idea.
Or....to flip it around.... any currency looks like a worthless scam if it doesn't have such wide adoption and use as to have unquestionable value to others. All currency is...at its heart, a confidence game. Someone hands you some paper, or does some math, or delivers some shiney stuff, because he says it has value and you look at it and believe that someone else is going to take a similar deal when you offer it.
It just so happens that its a useful con game that, works if enough people play along. It doesn't matter if the reason you think it has value is that someone wants it for industrial use, or pretty fobs. As long as you believe it, and the next guy believes it....it works. It doesn't matter if the US government falls tomorow, the Dollar is still worth something today.... someday someone will get burned on that one too.
1. While true, defence of others is just as good as defending oneself.
2. a. Torture is going to far in any case. I don't remember the torture part, that definitely isn't justified, will have to check the articles on that. b. Yah that is a bit much for just running away with money, I thought there was blackmail involved there too
So, now that I said that.... I did some looking it up....
âoeIâ(TM)d like him beat up, then forced to send the bitcoins he stole back. like sit him down at his computer and make him do it,â reads a message from the Roberts account, included in the complaint.
In a followup message, however, prosecutors say that Ulbricht asked to âoechange the order to execute rather than torture,â fearing that because the employee had spent time in prison, he might act as an informant against the Silk Road rather than risk being charged himself. In the messages reproduced in the complaint, Ulbricht is said to have added that âoehe had never killed a man or had one killed before, but it is the right move in this case.â
so it wasn't torture and murder together. In fact, in slightly different circumstances, such actions would even be legal in some places like Texas where a person is authorized to use force to secure the reuturn of their property (some conditions apply, IANAL: http://www.policymic.com/articles/46995/ezekiel-gilbert-texas-man-who-killed-prostitute-not-going-to-jail - though I will note I disagree with the characterization of her as a prostitute, prostitutes have sex for money, she was a con artist if all stories in the case are taken as true)
So overall they reduce to about the same. I dunno they all were engaged in illegal business and when in an illegal business you know people can't sue you so the stakes are higher. Anyone stealing large amounts and posing a threat to others in the business should really expect that sort of retaliation.
I don't see why normal social mores and norms about murder should be considered to apply in such situations, everybody knew what they were getting into from the start.
> (I don't care about what's "legal". Much more important factors, such as what's ethical come into > play, and paying for hits on your competitors is unacceptable by any moral or ethical code I know > of.)
All things being equal I want to agree but, lets do remember the context was a blackmail situation. He was literally being threatened with being raided and arrested, a situation that can be fatal on several points, both during arrest and while in prison. He was facing the threat of serious violent action.
Does this justify murder? Meh, I am not so sure it does or doesn't. It almost makes it a form of self defence. I, for example, think he would have a more justified case of self defence than say.... excuses for starting the was in Iraq or Afghanistan.
In a very real way, he was a victim in this case. I have a harder time blaming a victim trying to deal with the threat being made to him than someone who simply tried to kill for profit motive or for some personal grudge.
The real tragedy is the situation that created silk road and created a situation where he was a perfect target for a con artist looking to blackmail him. If not for laws against the informed transactions between consenting adults, the site would not exist and he would not have been threatened by con artists looking to take him.
> The internet was around long before 1992 "the web" and "gopher", and network security was a > serious issue then.
Duh of course it was, it was based on the older "Series of tubes" technology pioneered by Al Gore.
However, unless I missed it, this break-in happened recently, and through systems serving up web services. As such, I didn't think we needed to review the technological advancements starting from the tubes.
I mean if your house was built 10 years ago, yes knob and tube wiring would be outdated, but, more than that, even 10 years ago it was 70 years out of code. The history of electrical wiring isn't relevant, because the house wasn't built back at some period of history where it was relevant. There is no point in time where both the house existed AND that was the appropriate technology.
> In the case of doctors, I doubt it's because of greed.
Agreed, doctors do well for themselves generally, any kickback they could get from drugs as cheap as run of the mill antibiotics would be hardly worth it.
> In my admittedly anecdotal experience, older doctors seem more likely to prescribe antibiotics
This.
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." -- Max Plank
While I know doctors have to keep up with the latest medicine, its a very wide field and there is only so much they can realistically do. My own paediatrician, who retired when I was about 16, used to argue that antibiotics should be prescribed for any illness, even a virus, because it prevented opportunistic infections.
Then she retired, and I garauntee few of the new doctors who have graduated since then are advocating such a position.
Wow thats great. I, unfortunately, grew up with a pediatrician who was gung-ho about antibiotics and prescribed them for me many times. My mother still defends the practice saying that the Doctors reasoning was that it would prevent opportunistic bacterial infections while the virus was running its course.
Only recently, after 20 years of it coming up, has my mother admitted that maybe it didn't actually help...especially since we eventually identified that I wasn't getting repeated infections causing my tonsils to swell.... it was actually an allergic reaction.
Got to the point the doctor was talking about having them taken out before they realized it was allergy releated.... but for as little as they do for a virus, antibiotics really don't do anything for allergies.
sure but after you program it to stab and slice slabs of meat, or cut open boxes, how do you make sure it doesn't decide you must be the box it needs to open? Its not just about the action but the context; and recognizing the dirty bag of mostly water they are supposed to cut vs the one that they are not supposed to cut.
Fully agree on both points, that and, I personally feel the law is about right. If your kid is 16 and you haven't prepared them enough to have sex, when biology has their hormones raging as young as 12, you fucking failed.
I mean, its not like we are talking about paedophiles here, 16 is definitely physically pretty adult, if not mentally.... and many adults who date 16 year olds (at least according to the one practicing psychologist I have amongst my circle of friends) are not mentally much more advanced than 16 year olds anyway....in fact, the one such relationship I saw first hand ended when the girl was about 20 and decided she was far too mature for her then 32+ year old companion
Funny thing is, I have heard the AG of my state on the radio being absolutely chewed out by a parent about the fact that our age of consent is 16 (and no there is no age gap law here either), and all she could say was "Well the law is the law". So that 17 year old would be fair game for real sex here.... just don't take any pictures, or sell them any porn..... but stick your dick in as much as they let you...because that is legal.
> Almost all law involving minors is based around the ancient notion that people > don't start thinking until someone else tells them
I thought it was based on the idea that they are property sold off at time of marriage and thus having sex with them could potentially ruin the value to prospective future buy....er husbands. Then again, maybe I am just....old fashioned:)
> Here highways also lower speed when near cities. That's due to noise and particulate pollution.
You missed the point then; Here you only see this in communities where the law enforcement from the city is allowed to patrol and keep fine money from highway enforcement. In fact, in my area, where it doesn't work that way, we only have state police, speed limits do not lower just because of a city crossing, and other means are often used to deal with noise...like noise walls.
As for particulate pollution, I call bullshit. My new car has an MFI display which allows me to monitor my gas usage. I would expect pollution to be in direct proportion to the amount of gas burned and NOTHING kills my cars gas milage like making cars constantly slow down and speed up, which is exactly what you cause when you take a major road full of trafic and needlessly lower the speed limit.
My car easily gets better gas mileage humming along on a straight road at 70-80 MPH than it does in heavy traffic going up and down between 45 and 65.
If particulate pollution was the concern, then traffic flow, not speed, is the clear winner.
One thing I wonder as people talk about this. Now, I am no geologist but, my understanding of fault lines is that there are areas where tectonic plates cross, with one moving over the top of the other, pushing one down and one up. So far so good right?
So the model I have understood is, the fault compresses over time as the plates move, and then an earth quake happens when the stress is suddenly released, allowing the plates to slip some amount, relieving the stress and starting the process over again from its new position.
So now if this is an accurate enough description of the process, it seems to me like more frequent, smaller quakes are likely preferable to less frequent larger ones. So could this triggering of earth quakes actually be a....good thing? Is that question even being asked?
No we simply were not talking about that. How would that possibly be relevant to discussions of web services which, unless there is some secret history that goes beyond 1992, (are we counting gopher as "the web" now?) then I stand by my statement: So at least as far as web services go, encryption vs hashing was NEVER the right or state of the art choice at the time.
This is exactly what I was about to post. I started learning Unix systems in the mid 90s, while the web was still new. Back then, whether to use shadow passwords was still a question asked at install time. Not, should passwords be hashed, that was already long since the standard, but should the hashes be protected.
So at least as far as web services go, encryption vs hashing was NEVER the right or state of the art choice at the time.
I meant value wise. If you have been watching its steady rise, it slid back a few months in terms of that rise. It did then yes, rebound in a few days.
I wouldn't call the Silk road fall a crash, it was a dip that quickly filled back in.
Sure, but that is hardly interesting or unique. If you can't find somebody who says something you are not looking hard enough. That is one of the beauties of predicting the future, it is like buying a lottery ticket.... at some point something will happen one way or the other and people will go back and declare you to be insightful if you managed to be the one who guessed right.... or you get a free "I told you so"....
You know the looks on people's faces who I told about it when it was going for $1/btc. Will it crash someday? Course it will, so will everything. My money is on the US government falls apart some day. Might be another 200 years but, eventually yah situations change. Gold price might collapse too, but I still wouldn't bet on small amounts of gold being worth less than very large amounts of food anytime soon either...but it could happen.
Not only crashes but rebounds. Hell for someone who found out about it when it was worth pennies its been an amusing ride to watch! Silk road gets popped, boom drop. But it didn't go that far, it slid back...a few months? Then it rebounded, now its even higher.
You look at its potential audience and, the whole bitcoin economy is still on the small side of what it could be....and divisible to 8 decimal places? I wouldn't count it down and out yet, it still has the most momentum and buy-in of any alternatives; there is serious advantage to being the first to market, even if you are not the best in the end.
Hmmm dump the speed of light, write it up twice. Once as a failure of the big government liberal democrats stifling technological progress that could add thousands of jobs to the economy (skip mentioning that they would, primarily be, in fuel deliveries to keep these satelites in such preposterous orbits)
Ideally, this should call for a widening of the definition of geosynchronous orbits as a form of deregulation, but adding weak penalties which can be overridden by a meaningless easily conveyed status (looks good to the corrupt politicians if they can wet their beak).
Then write it up for the democrats, as a failure of the deregulated market. That if the federal government would just step in, lower the maximum allowable geosynchronous orbital radius, the combination of middle class unionized jobs that would be created, and faster internet speeds would set out country back on a path to prosperity..... toss in the same weak penalties and meaningless status, for exactly the same reason.
Then watch it die in committee as neither side can get the votes but each is sure it must be important, or else the other guy wouldn't have a proposal about it.....
Nope, I wanted to bid on the contract to supply the fuel required to keep satelites in lower geosync orbits. Cha-ching! Actually you know....excuse me while I go write some proposals......
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I completely agree except for one thing.... and I am looking at YOU redhat..... if the system default that they come to expect is that ls output is unreadable due to dircolors being the distribution default which assumes a light colored background.... that should be fixed with extreme prejudice.
Lets see.... I haven't worked there in almost 2 years, so the buddy i was working with was almost 4 years, and it was a year or two between then and when we were going out drinking after work so....
Yah it was about 6 years ago, heading back and forth between work and the bar.... which happens to be in a marina our building was 1 street back from the docks).... we were walking by, looking down and saying...
"Fuck that is a lot of jellyfish" .... taking over the ocean"
"More than I ever seen, its like they are
I mean, I know we were looking at a vanishingly small sample but.... if other areas looked like the harbor here did then.... taking over is no understatement.
I actually was about to post that....with one caveat: Look carefully at versions
Admittedly I haven't worked with conserver since 2005, but it was solid then and I can't imagine it has changed much since. The last time I grabbed it, I found that the source had forked a couple of times and the name "conserver" actually refered to 2 or three different versions of the same program, each with slightly different feature sets.
Few things are more frustrating than trying to figure out why a program isn't working because you are reading the docs for the wrong one.
That said, the conserver we ended up using was simple, lightweight, and did exactly what we wanted.... provide named console access from a single place.
Or....to flip it around.... any currency looks like a worthless scam if it doesn't have such wide adoption and use as to have unquestionable value to others. All currency is...at its heart, a confidence game. Someone hands you some paper, or does some math, or delivers some shiney stuff, because he says it has value and you look at it and believe that someone else is going to take a similar deal when you offer it.
It just so happens that its a useful con game that, works if enough people play along. It doesn't matter if the reason you think it has value is that someone wants it for industrial use, or pretty fobs. As long as you believe it, and the next guy believes it....it works. It doesn't matter if the US government falls tomorow, the Dollar is still worth something today.... someday someone will get burned on that one too.
1. While true, defence of others is just as good as defending oneself.
2. a. Torture is going to far in any case. I don't remember the torture part, that definitely isn't justified, will have to check the articles on that.
b. Yah that is a bit much for just running away with money, I thought there was blackmail involved there too
So, now that I said that.... I did some looking it up....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/02/feds-allege-silk-roads-boss-paid-for-murders-of-both-a-witness-and-a-blackmailer/
so it wasn't torture and murder together. In fact, in slightly different circumstances, such actions would even be legal in some places like Texas where a person is authorized to use force to secure the reuturn of their property (some conditions apply, IANAL: http://www.policymic.com/articles/46995/ezekiel-gilbert-texas-man-who-killed-prostitute-not-going-to-jail - though I will note I disagree with the characterization of her as a prostitute, prostitutes have sex for money, she was a con artist if all stories in the case are taken as true)
So overall they reduce to about the same. I dunno they all were engaged in illegal business and when in an illegal business you know people can't sue you so the stakes are higher. Anyone stealing large amounts and posing a threat to others in the business should really expect that sort of retaliation.
I don't see why normal social mores and norms about murder should be considered to apply in such situations, everybody knew what they were getting into from the start.
Better question.... how much is a near unachievable goal a barrier to getting a government contract?
> (I don't care about what's "legal". Much more important factors, such as what's ethical come into
> play, and paying for hits on your competitors is unacceptable by any moral or ethical code I know
> of.)
All things being equal I want to agree but, lets do remember the context was a blackmail situation.
He was literally being threatened with being raided and arrested, a situation that can be fatal on several points, both during arrest and while in prison. He was facing the threat of serious violent action.
Does this justify murder? Meh, I am not so sure it does or doesn't. It almost makes it a form of self defence. I, for example, think he would have a more justified case of self defence than say.... excuses for starting the was in Iraq or Afghanistan.
In a very real way, he was a victim in this case. I have a harder time blaming a victim trying to deal with the threat being made to him than someone who simply tried to kill for profit motive or for some personal grudge.
The real tragedy is the situation that created silk road and created a situation where he was a perfect target for a con artist looking to blackmail him. If not for laws against the informed transactions between consenting adults, the site would not exist and he would not have been threatened by con artists looking to take him.
> The internet was around long before 1992 "the web" and "gopher", and network security was a
> serious issue then.
Duh of course it was, it was based on the older "Series of tubes" technology pioneered by Al Gore.
However, unless I missed it, this break-in happened recently, and through systems serving up web services. As such, I didn't think we needed to review the technological advancements starting from the tubes.
I mean if your house was built 10 years ago, yes knob and tube wiring would be outdated, but, more than that, even 10 years ago it was 70 years out of code. The history of electrical wiring isn't relevant, because the house wasn't built back at some period of history where it was relevant. There is no point in time where both the house existed AND that was the appropriate technology.
> In the case of doctors, I doubt it's because of greed.
Agreed, doctors do well for themselves generally, any kickback they could get from drugs as cheap as run of the mill antibiotics would be hardly worth it.
> In my admittedly anecdotal experience, older doctors seem more likely to prescribe antibiotics
This.
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." -- Max Plank
While I know doctors have to keep up with the latest medicine, its a very wide field and there is only so much they can realistically do. My own paediatrician, who retired when I was about 16, used to argue that antibiotics should be prescribed for any illness, even a virus, because it prevented opportunistic infections.
Then she retired, and I garauntee few of the new doctors who have graduated since then are advocating such a position.
Wow thats great. I, unfortunately, grew up with a pediatrician who was gung-ho about antibiotics and prescribed them for me many times. My mother still defends the practice saying that the Doctors reasoning was that it would prevent opportunistic bacterial infections while the virus was running its course.
Only recently, after 20 years of it coming up, has my mother admitted that maybe it didn't actually help...especially since we eventually identified that I wasn't getting repeated infections causing my tonsils to swell.... it was actually an allergic reaction.
Got to the point the doctor was talking about having them taken out before they realized it was allergy releated.... but for as little as they do for a virus, antibiotics really don't do anything for allergies.
sure but after you program it to stab and slice slabs of meat, or cut open boxes, how do you make sure it doesn't decide you must be the box it needs to open? Its not just about the action but the context; and recognizing the dirty bag of mostly water they are supposed to cut vs the one that they are not supposed to cut.
Fully agree on both points, that and, I personally feel the law is about right. If your kid is 16 and you haven't prepared them enough to have sex, when biology has their hormones raging as young as 12, you fucking failed.
I mean, its not like we are talking about paedophiles here, 16 is definitely physically pretty adult, if not mentally.... and many adults who date 16 year olds (at least according to the one practicing psychologist I have amongst my circle of friends) are not mentally much more advanced than 16 year olds anyway....in fact, the one such relationship I saw first hand ended when the girl was about 20 and decided she was far too mature for her then 32+ year old companion
> Does that mean when I buy a new game and rip off the cover, it's non-consensual rape?
Please that "wrapper" was practically see-through. That game was asking for it!
Oh man really? I hate that guy, he's a total douchebag; and of quite questionable upbringing.
Funny thing is, I have heard the AG of my state on the radio being absolutely chewed out by a parent about the fact that our age of consent is 16 (and no there is no age gap law here either), and all she could say was "Well the law is the law". So that 17 year old would be fair game for real sex here.... just don't take any pictures, or sell them any porn..... but stick your dick in as much as they let you...because that is legal.
> Almost all law involving minors is based around the ancient notion that people
> don't start thinking until someone else tells them
I thought it was based on the idea that they are property sold off at time of marriage and thus having sex with them could potentially ruin the value to prospective future buy....er husbands. Then again, maybe I am just....old fashioned :)
> Here highways also lower speed when near cities. That's due to noise and particulate pollution.
You missed the point then; Here you only see this in communities where the law enforcement from the city is allowed to patrol and keep fine money from highway enforcement. In fact, in my area, where it doesn't work that way, we only have state police, speed limits do not lower just because of a city crossing, and other means are often used to deal with noise...like noise walls.
As for particulate pollution, I call bullshit. My new car has an MFI display which allows me to monitor my gas usage. I would expect pollution to be in direct proportion to the amount of gas burned and NOTHING kills my cars gas milage like making cars constantly slow down and speed up, which is exactly what you cause when you take a major road full of trafic and needlessly lower the speed limit.
My car easily gets better gas mileage humming along on a straight road at 70-80 MPH than it does in heavy traffic going up and down between 45 and 65.
If particulate pollution was the concern, then traffic flow, not speed, is the clear winner.
One thing I wonder as people talk about this. Now, I am no geologist but, my understanding of fault lines is that there are areas where tectonic plates cross, with one moving over the top of the other, pushing one down and one up. So far so good right?
So the model I have understood is, the fault compresses over time as the plates move, and then an earth quake happens when the stress is suddenly released, allowing the plates to slip some amount, relieving the stress and starting the process over again from its new position.
So now if this is an accurate enough description of the process, it seems to me like more frequent, smaller quakes are likely preferable to less frequent larger ones. So could this triggering of earth quakes actually be a....good thing? Is that question even being asked?
No we simply were not talking about that. How would that possibly be relevant to discussions of web services which, unless there is some secret history that goes beyond 1992, (are we counting gopher as "the web" now?) then I stand by my statement: So at least as far as web services go, encryption vs hashing was NEVER the right or state of the art choice at the time.
This is exactly what I was about to post. I started learning Unix systems in the mid 90s, while the web was still new. Back then, whether to use shadow passwords was still a question asked at install time. Not, should passwords be hashed, that was already long since the standard, but should the hashes be protected.
So at least as far as web services go, encryption vs hashing was NEVER the right or state of the art choice at the time.
I meant value wise. If you have been watching its steady rise, it slid back a few months in terms of that rise. It did then yes, rebound in a few days.
I wouldn't call the Silk road fall a crash, it was a dip that quickly filled back in.
Sure, but that is hardly interesting or unique. If you can't find somebody who says something you are not looking hard enough. That is one of the beauties of predicting the future, it is like buying a lottery ticket.... at some point something will happen one way or the other and people will go back and declare you to be insightful if you managed to be the one who guessed right.... or you get a free "I told you so"....
You know the looks on people's faces who I told about it when it was going for $1/btc. Will it crash someday? Course it will, so will everything. My money is on the US government falls apart some day. Might be another 200 years but, eventually yah situations change. Gold price might collapse too, but I still wouldn't bet on small amounts of gold being worth less than very large amounts of food anytime soon either...but it could happen.
And I bet somebody is predicting it right now :)
Not only crashes but rebounds. Hell for someone who found out about it when it was worth pennies its been an amusing ride to watch! Silk road gets popped, boom drop. But it didn't go that far, it slid back...a few months? Then it rebounded, now its even higher.
You look at its potential audience and, the whole bitcoin economy is still on the small side of what it could be....and divisible to 8 decimal places? I wouldn't count it down and out yet, it still has the most momentum and buy-in of any alternatives; there is serious advantage to being the first to market, even if you are not the best in the end.
Hmmm dump the speed of light, write it up twice. Once as a failure of the big government liberal democrats stifling technological progress that could add thousands of jobs to the economy (skip mentioning that they would, primarily be, in fuel deliveries to keep these satelites in such preposterous orbits)
Ideally, this should call for a widening of the definition of geosynchronous orbits as a form of deregulation, but adding weak penalties which can be overridden by a meaningless easily conveyed status (looks good to the corrupt politicians if they can wet their beak).
Then write it up for the democrats, as a failure of the deregulated market. That if the federal government would just step in, lower the maximum allowable geosynchronous orbital radius, the combination of middle class unionized jobs that would be created, and faster internet speeds would set out country back on a path to prosperity..... toss in the same weak penalties and meaningless status, for exactly the same reason.
Then watch it die in committee as neither side can get the votes but each is sure it must be important, or else the other guy wouldn't have a proposal about it.....
Yet it only moves at 186,000 miles/second.... once again the Europeans are beating us because we have been too lazy to move to the metric system.
Nope, I wanted to bid on the contract to supply the fuel required to keep satelites in lower geosync orbits. Cha-ching! Actually you know....excuse me while I go write some proposals......