There is a substantial body of opinion that humans, without any sort of goal to strive for, will simply sit and stare at the horizon. Or something. Playing games on computers might be an answer, but it is doubtful that it would be at all satisfying.
Nope, without a goal most people will likely just do nothing at all. And that includes eating and reproducing.
When nearly all needs are met without work, the goals are derived from base instinct. Eating and reproducing won't be a problem; well reproducing would be a problem if it weren't for another instinct: violence.
We're talking about a situation where a robot can provide everything you've laid out - even women who are indistinguishable from "real" women. So we'll have butler robots, butler chefs and maybe even butler musicians. The robots will also manufacture everything and even build more of themselves when needed. Since robots will be able to replicate themselves, the price of robots will drop to almost nothing since there will be an infinite supply of robots. We'll have an army to serve humans:D
Then the end result isn't with non-owners being servants, it's with non-owners being useless. And since the initial wave of robot owners will be the top tier of sociopath CEOs, then when they realize that the non-owners are useless (or worse, competing consumers of limited resources who provide no value), they'll build killbots.
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In TNG aboard ship they had replicator utilization credits. On-planet, only a select few were allowed to use transporters for transportation.
Here's a novel idea. How about issuing everyone in the country with an equal share of the country's resources. And not a tradable share, as they'll just end up back in the hands of 1%. A share issued upon birth, thus diluting the value of everyones share, but destroyed upon death thus restoring value to everyone else's share.
That seems fair.
That seems like a motive to murder. Sociopaths refrain from "removing" the general populace for the utility (work) people provide. Once it's a socially accepted fact that one's share of the pie goes up only with the deaths of others, expect seemingly random disappearances.
My wife keeps talking about wanting to have a human to listen, understand, and care. I'm more interested to fixing what's broken. If RoboDoc can fix it better then the person, give me RoboDoc. If neither can, then I want to talk to a person, but not one who's being paid to listen.
if patients all gave proper responses or felt symptoms the same way, robodoc would make sense. Human doctors are needed because the input for the diagnosis process is very messy and needs a little finesse.
The problem with having more time to enjoy stuff is you need more money to do it.
Not remotely true. I remember my teenage years, rife with free time whiled away playing D&D with neighborhood friends. Some of the same guys and I still try to get together, but we can only meet at most twice a month (instead of every weekend), and we always have to work in a "character fades into the background" rule for people that can't show up. Most of the reasons for not showing up are work related (not all of us went the white collar route). Unless you're buying miniatures et al, RPGs can be a very inexpensive way to have fun.
Remember that machines have made many things extremely cheap. Imagine a house being built with future concrete printing machines. A quality, strong home could cost a fraction of what a typical house is today. You could pay it off in 5 years, free and clear.
A lot of people could pay off a house in 5 years now if construction companies wouldn't have bulldozed new houses to reduce supply.
I didn't buy it for mine, because $379 seems a bit egregious. If a manufacturing defect doesn't manifest in the first year, I don't see the point in paying for 2 more years of coverage. I use my laptop every day on the go, if something's screwy on it, it's gonna die young.
Because Apple's bad cooling designs cause normal failure in 2-3 years even without manufacturing defects.
For example the large number of people who think that humans evolved from chimpanzees rather than sharing a common ancestor.
What exactly is so dangerous about this? Will people die if they believe wrongly? Will they die or get injured if they believe something you find abhorrent? Why will they be hurt?
How serious is the amount of 'space junk' orbiting Earth? Will it have a substantial impact on the future of space flight, manned or otherwise? What are some of the best (or at least most innovative) ideas you've heard about for deorbiting big junk or cleaning up smaller bits of debris?
if [Ron Paul] had his way he would abolish the income tax. People work to make a little money, and the government takes a cut of it.
Bzzt. Wrong. People work to make a little money, and the government gives them an Earned Income Credit from which they can get paid back more money from the IRS than they paid in.
Star Trek DS9 had something interesting with Cardassian data technology. Data was stored on crystal "rods", like their version of a flash drive. But there was a "write once" rod that can't be altered after data is finished being written to it. Perhaps we need something like this for verified reporting/journalism.
If you can read the device, you can alter the data and store it to another write-once device. You need a write-once, read-never device. I suggest/dev/null.
And what most anti-war propagandists fail to mention is that in Iraq and Afghanistan, civilian deaths are higher because the other side doesn't play by the Geneva convention. They live amongst the population and don't wear uniforms, making it very difficult to determine who is the bad guy and who isn't.
The group most responsible for civilian deaths in these areas are the Taliban and Al-Qaeda because of their cowardly nature to hide among women and children and not identify themselves. Allied forces live in camps and wear uniforms, making them easy targets, yet are quickly condemned by the anti-war group if they so much as think about doing anything that might possibly harm a civilian. Yet they never bring the same condemnation against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, who are the real cause of deaths among the local population.
Not to mention the Taliban and Al-Qaeda specifically target civilians because they are easy targets (yes, even in the local population; if the targets are wealthy and can be ransomed or if they're not wearing the right clothing).
But we didn't respond properly. Instead, we attacked Iraq for entirely fabricated reasons, and Afghanistan using reasoning that is the approximate equal of attacking England because an enemy's officer was educated at the War Studies Department of King's College London.
Not only do you have your facts wrong, but your have them out of chronological order. The US led coalition attacked Afghanistan because the Taliban was not only harboring the leaders of the terrorist group responsible, they were providing locations for training. A bonus side effect is that the people of Afghanistan hated the Taliban rule and wanted them ousted. Another US led coalition attacked Iraq because Saddam Hussein was stupid enough to bluff and bluster like he had WMD. Saddam pulled the national equivalent of "Suicide by cop" (pretending to pull a nonexistent weapon while an officer has his gun trained on you), thinking he was all cool-like-that up against the UN and "The Great Satan". A bonus side effect is that a lot of people in Iraq hated Saddam and wanted him ousted.
Now, sure, a lot of people in Saudi Arabia hate the King and want him ousted, but there's not enough of a reason there for the US to attack there.
those people currently in Guantanamo... they can be, as described above, either criminals (and therefore should be on a fast track to a courtroom) or prisoners of war.
They can't be both? Terrorist criminals working as enemy combatants in a war-zone? Thus, POWs until the "War on Terror" is over, then they might get criminal charges levied.
The exit path is through Iran. This comes too quickly after the recent all-Senate closed door hearings (after the Iranian-Drug cartel Saudi murder plot). Ever since we hit Iraq, I've been saying that the long term executive goal was to pressure Iran from both sides (or wait for them to do something stupid).
Written employment tests have been abandoned wholesale.
I have taken three and administered more than ten written employment tests within the last seven years alone. Most were just a simple pseudocode function with instructions to follow the code and print the output. One I took was a 45 minute long (for a knowledgeable person) full length exam. All of them were job related.
well CS is theory and IT should be on it's own without all the theory and math.
I disagree. CS students should all learn a little about IT (so they don't try stupid crap that overtaxes a system), and also because IT people should come from the realm of CS. Sure, the math is partially irrelevant, but the theory makes a miserable IT button pusher into an IT wonder.
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If you had to pay 5 people, to replace one person with a robot, you wouldn't use robots.
If I had to pay 5 people $1 each to replace one person who cost me $10 it would seem like a deal.
There is a substantial body of opinion that humans, without any sort of goal to strive for, will simply sit and stare at the horizon. Or something. Playing games on computers might be an answer, but it is doubtful that it would be at all satisfying. Nope, without a goal most people will likely just do nothing at all. And that includes eating and reproducing.
When nearly all needs are met without work, the goals are derived from base instinct. Eating and reproducing won't be a problem; well reproducing would be a problem if it weren't for another instinct: violence.
We're talking about a situation where a robot can provide everything you've laid out - even women who are indistinguishable from "real" women. So we'll have butler robots, butler chefs and maybe even butler musicians. The robots will also manufacture everything and even build more of themselves when needed. Since robots will be able to replicate themselves, the price of robots will drop to almost nothing since there will be an infinite supply of robots. We'll have an army to serve humans :D
Then the end result isn't with non-owners being servants, it's with non-owners being useless. And since the initial wave of robot owners will be the top tier of sociopath CEOs, then when they realize that the non-owners are useless (or worse, competing consumers of limited resources who provide no value), they'll build killbots.
In TNG aboard ship they had replicator utilization credits. On-planet, only a select few were allowed to use transporters for transportation.
Here's a novel idea. How about issuing everyone in the country with an equal share of the country's resources. And not a tradable share, as they'll just end up back in the hands of 1%. A share issued upon birth, thus diluting the value of everyones share, but destroyed upon death thus restoring value to everyone else's share. That seems fair.
That seems like a motive to murder. Sociopaths refrain from "removing" the general populace for the utility (work) people provide. Once it's a socially accepted fact that one's share of the pie goes up only with the deaths of others, expect seemingly random disappearances.
My wife keeps talking about wanting to have a human to listen, understand, and care. I'm more interested to fixing what's broken. If RoboDoc can fix it better then the person, give me RoboDoc. If neither can, then I want to talk to a person, but not one who's being paid to listen.
if patients all gave proper responses or felt symptoms the same way, robodoc would make sense. Human doctors are needed because the input for the diagnosis process is very messy and needs a little finesse.
The problem with having more time to enjoy stuff is you need more money to do it.
Not remotely true. I remember my teenage years, rife with free time whiled away playing D&D with neighborhood friends. Some of the same guys and I still try to get together, but we can only meet at most twice a month (instead of every weekend), and we always have to work in a "character fades into the background" rule for people that can't show up. Most of the reasons for not showing up are work related (not all of us went the white collar route). Unless you're buying miniatures et al, RPGs can be a very inexpensive way to have fun.
Remember that machines have made many things extremely cheap. Imagine a house being built with future concrete printing machines. A quality, strong home could cost a fraction of what a typical house is today. You could pay it off in 5 years, free and clear.
A lot of people could pay off a house in 5 years now if construction companies wouldn't have bulldozed new houses to reduce supply.
I didn't buy it for mine, because $379 seems a bit egregious. If a manufacturing defect doesn't manifest in the first year, I don't see the point in paying for 2 more years of coverage. I use my laptop every day on the go, if something's screwy on it, it's gonna die young.
Because Apple's bad cooling designs cause normal failure in 2-3 years even without manufacturing defects.
For example the large number of people who think that humans evolved from chimpanzees rather than sharing a common ancestor.
What exactly is so dangerous about this? Will people die if they believe wrongly? Will they die or get injured if they believe something you find abhorrent? Why will they be hurt?
How serious is the amount of 'space junk' orbiting Earth? Will it have a substantial impact on the future of space flight, manned or otherwise? What are some of the best (or at least most innovative) ideas you've heard about for deorbiting big junk or cleaning up smaller bits of debris?
And more importantly, can you Predict When Space Junk Will Come Home To Earth?
if [Ron Paul] had his way he would abolish the income tax. People work to make a little money, and the government takes a cut of it.
Bzzt. Wrong. People work to make a little money, and the government gives them an Earned Income Credit from which they can get paid back more money from the IRS than they paid in.
Sounds screwy to me.
Star Trek DS9 had something interesting with Cardassian data technology. Data was stored on crystal "rods", like their version of a flash drive. But there was a "write once" rod that can't be altered after data is finished being written to it. Perhaps we need something like this for verified reporting/journalism.
If you can read the device, you can alter the data and store it to another write-once device. You need a write-once, read-never device. I suggest /dev/null.
Meaning that the words were taken from samples so they wouldn't quite match up even if the grammar was correct.
The trick there. Is to hire Shatner for. The voice. acting. ThenNoOneWillKnowTheDifference.
"Siri Envy?"
You asked "Are you envious of Siri?"
"We are here to talk about you, not me. Is it because of your mother that you ask me about are you envious of Siri?"
And what most anti-war propagandists fail to mention is that in Iraq and Afghanistan, civilian deaths are higher because the other side doesn't play by the Geneva convention. They live amongst the population and don't wear uniforms, making it very difficult to determine who is the bad guy and who isn't.
The group most responsible for civilian deaths in these areas are the Taliban and Al-Qaeda because of their cowardly nature to hide among women and children and not identify themselves. Allied forces live in camps and wear uniforms, making them easy targets, yet are quickly condemned by the anti-war group if they so much as think about doing anything that might possibly harm a civilian. Yet they never bring the same condemnation against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, who are the real cause of deaths among the local population.
Not to mention the Taliban and Al-Qaeda specifically target civilians because they are easy targets (yes, even in the local population; if the targets are wealthy and can be ransomed or if they're not wearing the right clothing).
But we didn't respond properly. Instead, we attacked Iraq for entirely fabricated reasons, and Afghanistan using reasoning that is the approximate equal of attacking England because an enemy's officer was educated at the War Studies Department of King's College London.
Not only do you have your facts wrong, but your have them out of chronological order. The US led coalition attacked Afghanistan because the Taliban was not only harboring the leaders of the terrorist group responsible, they were providing locations for training. A bonus side effect is that the people of Afghanistan hated the Taliban rule and wanted them ousted. Another US led coalition attacked Iraq because Saddam Hussein was stupid enough to bluff and bluster like he had WMD. Saddam pulled the national equivalent of "Suicide by cop" (pretending to pull a nonexistent weapon while an officer has his gun trained on you), thinking he was all cool-like-that up against the UN and "The Great Satan". A bonus side effect is that a lot of people in Iraq hated Saddam and wanted him ousted.
Now, sure, a lot of people in Saudi Arabia hate the King and want him ousted, but there's not enough of a reason there for the US to attack there.
those people currently in Guantanamo... they can be, as described above, either criminals (and therefore should be on a fast track to a courtroom) or prisoners of war.
They can't be both? Terrorist criminals working as enemy combatants in a war-zone? Thus, POWs until the "War on Terror" is over, then they might get criminal charges levied.
Hey, it's better than the one blade server they were using. I bet they were creating VMs on it to act as redundant nodes.
The exit path is through Iran. This comes too quickly after the recent all-Senate closed door hearings (after the Iranian-Drug cartel Saudi murder plot). Ever since we hit Iraq, I've been saying that the long term executive goal was to pressure Iran from both sides (or wait for them to do something stupid).
why don't we just eliminate the pop cans altogether?
As long as we move back to glass bottles, I'm fine with that. I need something to wash the doritos down though.
What happens when people sell a scrap of paper with a stick figure as an original artwork that comes with a 'free' piece of 'junk'.
That is known as prostitution.
Written employment tests have been abandoned wholesale.
I have taken three and administered more than ten written employment tests within the last seven years alone. Most were just a simple pseudocode function with instructions to follow the code and print the output. One I took was a 45 minute long (for a knowledgeable person) full length exam. All of them were job related.
well CS is theory and IT should be on it's own without all the theory and math.
I disagree. CS students should all learn a little about IT (so they don't try stupid crap that overtaxes a system), and also because IT people should come from the realm of CS. Sure, the math is partially irrelevant, but the theory makes a miserable IT button pusher into an IT wonder.
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/msg/c73c14f9b0dcd15a?pli=1
Is Gingerbread the same as Ice Cream Sandwich? Where the hell have version numbers gone?
It's your God-given right as an American. Sue for the source! Where's RMS?