I think what he was trying to say is that since IIS is an available option on Windows Server 2003, if a company is already running Server 2003 they would be more inclined to simply enable IIS 6 instead of finding another piece of hardware to do a seperate install of Apache on.
A lot of those issues have been addressed with IIS 6 and Server 2003. For example, IIS isn't turned on by default anymore. The admins in question were pretty incompetent none the less. There is absolutely no excuse for not knowing what is running on your servers. I have to agree with you about Apache/*nix admins being more competent than your average MS admin. There are some benefits to having to build everything from the ground up. I'm sure that we will see a gradual dumbing down of *nix admins as distros like Ubuntu and GUI interfaces become more common. I think that is the way of things. Common tasks get automated. Difficult tasks get scripted. After a while, people run the scripts and aren't even aware of what happens automatically. That is both good and bad. It's good because it allows more people to implement the OS and applications. It's bad because those who are now able to implement them aren't as competent as the guys who had to "configure them from scratch, at 2400 baud, on a dumb terminal... with their eyes closed and without any caffine." =)
In much the same way, IIS has its name sullied by.ASP and.Net code that is improperly written. Any time an application written for IIS gets cracked, people whine about how insecure IIS is. The reality is that IIS is plenty secure, but if you throw badly written code on there, you can create a vulnerability.
I can't speak for the GP, but I think that he is referring to the application stack, as in LAMP. In that case it isn't so much Apache's fault that PHP has some issues, but the fact that Apache is the main environment for PHP developers causes its name to be sulled by the association.
..And their trade imbalances!! I'm sure there is a politican in Washington right now fretting over, "Not only is the trade deficit huge, now they're taking our money on the internets, AND we're not even getting anything in return!!! Gahhhhh!!!!"
Once the customers are educated about the vendor lock and compatibility the duopoly will naturally break down. Eventually there will be enough space for Free Software, Open Software, and Close source software to coexist.
My experience has been that businesses care about doing business and will go with the tools that get the job done. They don't particularly care about vendor lock in as long as the vendor is providing a product that supports their business processes. The only way Microsoft is going to budge will be when enough people adopt another standard like ODF. Then Microsoft would be forced to tweak their software to open/save in the ODF format. Yet just because Microsoft might make Word support ODF doesn't mean that OpenOffice is going to replace MS Office.
I kind of see Microsoft as being an entity like the US government. For the longest time slavery was legal in America. Eventually the American people decided that slavery wasn't so cool. Even though slavery was abolished, the government wasn't dismantled. For good or for bad, Microsoft = Computers for a huge portion of the world. Although the needs of the users may change and Microsoft will have to adapt to those changes, I don't foresee Microsoft ever really vanishing or being completely replaced.
I completely agree. Every OS has it's strengths and weaknesses. I see a lot of ego among Linux users and developers. They want their OS to do EVERYTHING under the sun. I'm a Windows guy primarily, but anything that I do that relates to computer security I do on Linux (Snort, nmap, etc). It's all about flexability and choosing the right tool for the job.
If they're protesting, they've pretty much already made up their mind about what they think you are going to tell them. Dialogue happens after the fact, or before the fact but not during.
Here in Long Beach the police are trained to stay "one level ahead". If the person is unarmed, the police will use the baton. If the person has a knife, the police are going to pull their guns. If the person has a gun, the police are going to setup a perimeter and call in the SWAT team. Police officers aren't expected to "fight fairly". They are there to temporarily remove you from society until the powers that be can sort out whatever the situation was that caused them to be called out in the first place.
* In most of the cases, the victims had been using drugs including cocaine, methamphetamine or PCP.
So their central nervous system was already over stimulated and their hearts were already at the breaking point because of all the stimulants they were on. Then they were hit with the taser and tried to fight it and that put further stress on their bodies.
Maybe those bored college students should have gotten off their asses, put down the bongs and published some research that they would have been paid for.
Another way to look at it is that people are making the choice to stick with Microsoft instead of jumping ship to Apple. The comparison with Mac is there to show that the trend seems to be that the majority from people are going from WinXP to Vista, instead of from WinXP to OSX.
So you're saying you forgot everything you learned in high school.
Nope, you're saying that I forgot everything I learned in high school. I said, "As for the knowledge being high school level, I suppose I'm one of those people whose life didn't stagnant at the high school level."
I will avoid the urge to make a quip about your reading comprehension (or not) and go ahead and vote for Ron Paul anyway, even if supporting a Constitutionalist shows my lack of background knowledge and inability to make civic-minded decisions.
Knowledge is good. I suggest you acquire and retain some.
Alright, you've got yourself a deal. I'll trade you some courtesy for it. I'll even hook you up at a three to one ratio of courtesy to knowledge to make sure we both come out closer to the level of where we ought to be.
I'm the guy who is here for you to berate so you can satiate your ego and puff yourself up in front of your peers.
...if your mind isn't curious then what is the worth of your life?
Currently most of my curiousity is directed towards Taoism, qigong, tai chi, kung fu, whole foods, enzymes, probiotics and just enough NLP to keep those around me focused on positively driven, directed outcomes for the betterment of all of us. Of course I do find time for the occassional/. diversion, and -1 troll, -1 flamebait, -1 off-topic moderation just to make sure that I don't take myself too seriously.
Or maybe I just don't want to bother myself with the little details of life. Electricity costs what it costs just like gas costs what it costs. Yet unlike gasoline, I can't go find another electricity provider. My electric bill is pretty stable in the $25-30 a month range. I make enough money to cover the cost. As long as I don't add any major new appliances that suck down huge amounts of juice I can anticipate what my monthly bill will be. I do understand what I am paying for. I am paying for the privledge of being able to turn my computer on, and to plug in my alarm clock, and to run my refridgerator to keep my food from spoiling as quickly, and to have lights when the sun goes down. It is measured in kilowatt hours, and the bill gives me a nice little breakd own that compares my power consumption with the last month and in the same month last year. That's all the statistical information that I need. What's the big deal with needing to know the little details? Do you need to know what the asphault is made out of to drive on the road? Do you need to know what company provided the chip that controls the fuel injection system in your vehicle? I mean, come on now... you didn't actually buy a car without researching every miniscule detail about how the car works, did you?
As for the knowledge being high school level, I suppose I'm one of those people whose life didn't stagnant at the high school level. Was the prom the crowning social event in your life?
I for one am so stupid that I need it explained to me. I'm sure that if I had been interested in the subject before now that I could have researched it and quickly found the answer. Yet up until now, all I really cared about is that a 100-watt bulb is brighter than a 60-watt bulb and will cost me more per month to turn on.
Sounds like you dealt with one of the older versions. Getting search configured properly in SharePoint is a big fat PITA. I completely agree with you that the search tools left a lot to be desired. I haven't touched it since I stopped consulting, but from what I remember it was a product still in it's infancy, no matter how many releases it has gone through.
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I think what he was trying to say is that since IIS is an available option on Windows Server 2003, if a company is already running Server 2003 they would be more inclined to simply enable IIS 6 instead of finding another piece of hardware to do a seperate install of Apache on.
A lot of those issues have been addressed with IIS 6 and Server 2003. For example, IIS isn't turned on by default anymore. The admins in question were pretty incompetent none the less. There is absolutely no excuse for not knowing what is running on your servers. I have to agree with you about Apache/*nix admins being more competent than your average MS admin. There are some benefits to having to build everything from the ground up. I'm sure that we will see a gradual dumbing down of *nix admins as distros like Ubuntu and GUI interfaces become more common. I think that is the way of things. Common tasks get automated. Difficult tasks get scripted. After a while, people run the scripts and aren't even aware of what happens automatically. That is both good and bad. It's good because it allows more people to implement the OS and applications. It's bad because those who are now able to implement them aren't as competent as the guys who had to "configure them from scratch, at 2400 baud, on a dumb terminal... with their eyes closed and without any caffine." =)
In much the same way, IIS has its name sullied by .ASP and .Net code that is improperly written. Any time an application written for IIS gets cracked, people whine about how insecure IIS is. The reality is that IIS is plenty secure, but if you throw badly written code on there, you can create a vulnerability.
I can't speak for the GP, but I think that he is referring to the application stack, as in LAMP. In that case it isn't so much Apache's fault that PHP has some issues, but the fact that Apache is the main environment for PHP developers causes its name to be sulled by the association.
..And their trade imbalances!! I'm sure there is a politican in Washington right now fretting over, "Not only is the trade deficit huge, now they're taking our money on the internets, AND we're not even getting anything in return!!! Gahhhhh!!!!"
My experience has been that businesses care about doing business and will go with the tools that get the job done. They don't particularly care about vendor lock in as long as the vendor is providing a product that supports their business processes. The only way Microsoft is going to budge will be when enough people adopt another standard like ODF. Then Microsoft would be forced to tweak their software to open/save in the ODF format. Yet just because Microsoft might make Word support ODF doesn't mean that OpenOffice is going to replace MS Office.
I kind of see Microsoft as being an entity like the US government. For the longest time slavery was legal in America. Eventually the American people decided that slavery wasn't so cool. Even though slavery was abolished, the government wasn't dismantled. For good or for bad, Microsoft = Computers for a huge portion of the world. Although the needs of the users may change and Microsoft will have to adapt to those changes, I don't foresee Microsoft ever really vanishing or being completely replaced.
You had to do it for them. They didn't do it on their own.
I completely agree. Every OS has it's strengths and weaknesses. I see a lot of ego among Linux users and developers. They want their OS to do EVERYTHING under the sun. I'm a Windows guy primarily, but anything that I do that relates to computer security I do on Linux (Snort, nmap, etc). It's all about flexability and choosing the right tool for the job.
Screw you guys, I'm going home!
If they're protesting, they've pretty much already made up their mind about what they think you are going to tell them. Dialogue happens after the fact, or before the fact but not during.
Here in Long Beach the police are trained to stay "one level ahead". If the person is unarmed, the police will use the baton. If the person has a knife, the police are going to pull their guns. If the person has a gun, the police are going to setup a perimeter and call in the SWAT team. Police officers aren't expected to "fight fairly". They are there to temporarily remove you from society until the powers that be can sort out whatever the situation was that caused them to be called out in the first place.
So their central nervous system was already over stimulated and their hearts were already at the breaking point because of all the stimulants they were on. Then they were hit with the taser and tried to fight it and that put further stress on their bodies.
Statistical fallacy or not, I've spoken with many, many women who swear that it's true and who have personally experienced it.
Mass drivers up the gravity well. I barely know what that means, but it was one of my favorite lines from Count Zero. :)
Microsoft has tried to impliment that with their Volume Shadow Copy service. Unfortunately it only works on network shares in a domain.
You sir are correct.
Maybe those bored college students should have gotten off their asses, put down the bongs and published some research that they would have been paid for.
Another way to look at it is that people are making the choice to stick with Microsoft instead of jumping ship to Apple. The comparison with Mac is there to show that the trend seems to be that the majority from people are going from WinXP to Vista, instead of from WinXP to OSX.
...is going to have a problem with this.
Nope, you're saying that I forgot everything I learned in high school. I said, "As for the knowledge being high school level, I suppose I'm one of those people whose life didn't stagnant at the high school level."
I will avoid the urge to make a quip about your reading comprehension (or not) and go ahead and vote for Ron Paul anyway, even if supporting a Constitutionalist shows my lack of background knowledge and inability to make civic-minded decisions.
Knowledge is good. I suggest you acquire and retain some.
Alright, you've got yourself a deal. I'll trade you some courtesy for it. I'll even hook you up at a three to one ratio of courtesy to knowledge to make sure we both come out closer to the level of where we ought to be.
I'm the guy who is here for you to berate so you can satiate your ego and puff yourself up in front of your peers.
Currently most of my curiousity is directed towards Taoism, qigong, tai chi, kung fu, whole foods, enzymes, probiotics and just enough NLP to keep those around me focused on positively driven, directed outcomes for the betterment of all of us. Of course I do find time for the occassional /. diversion, and -1 troll, -1 flamebait, -1 off-topic moderation just to make sure that I don't take myself too seriously.
As for the knowledge being high school level, I suppose I'm one of those people whose life didn't stagnant at the high school level. Was the prom the crowning social event in your life?
I for one am so stupid that I need it explained to me. I'm sure that if I had been interested in the subject before now that I could have researched it and quickly found the answer. Yet up until now, all I really cared about is that a 100-watt bulb is brighter than a 60-watt bulb and will cost me more per month to turn on.
Sounds like you dealt with one of the older versions. Getting search configured properly in SharePoint is a big fat PITA. I completely agree with you that the search tools left a lot to be desired. I haven't touched it since I stopped consulting, but from what I remember it was a product still in it's infancy, no matter how many releases it has gone through.
I will see your Winnuke95 and raise you a Goldbug.