farmers do as well and the badly designed and old Northern California Altamont Pass wind farm which was built smack dab in the middle of a major migratory route for large birds does as well.
Have a read of this article to compare which man-made structures cause the most bird deaths (but cats win the prize)
http://science.howstuffworks.c...
A lot of wind farms are being positioned in the sea. There are also methods for reducing any soil erosion, they just need to be deployed. Cats kill more birds than any wind farm, pollution kills more people than wind turbines. Nothing is perfect
A lot of the Scandinavian housing stock is highly insulated so less energy is used to heat it, keep it warm or cool it and keep it cool. If all houses where built to or close to the Passivhaus specification , energy use would drop and people would spend less on energy.
"Apple and Google and develop a system that meets merchant needs" - fat chance of that, Apple and Google develop systems that meet THEIR needs not anyone else's
"I would categorize it more as a three centuries of enslavement and discrimination do not end overnight with equality for all just because a law is signed." - i agree, the Jews are still suffering anti-semitism as prescribed by the catholic church over a thousand years ago (though mainly by the people who hate because of your skin)
"Religion isn't a buffet, you can't pick and choose what you like and ignore the rest." - unfortunately the fundamentalists are the only ones that understand that and try to practice it (except when they eat pork, shellfish etc, and don;t stone people to death). Agnostics etc also understand that and do try to point it out but it gets conveniently ignored.
you can just configure systemd to use the existing services if you want. my opensuse 13.1 uses the standard ntp/dhcp and not the systemd versions - thats how it came "out of the box"
"text logging is a second-class citizen" thats just an opinion on which system you favour, its an option.
"No one claimed that it was not possible to have text logging if you are using systemd." - thats not true, i've seen plenty in the past but as the misinformation is being dispelled its getting less. Its the one reason i started to look into the situation to see whats true and whats not
"The claim is that in the lag between systemd binary logs and the time when systemd has bothered to hand the message off to the next systemd and it gets written to disk, you can lose messages from your text logs that may or may not be in your systemd log due to truncation of the binary log in the case of a crash, " what's the "next systemd"? The claim is "shit happens", are you saying text log records cannot be lost in the case of a crash? Have you got a link where it explains/points out the time delay between binary and text logging?
"There was no need whatsoever to make a new logging daemon which is integrated with a new init daemon if the goal was to implement binary logging." - I doubt they'd create a new init system just to implement binary logging
"Because of the modular nature of Unix, it is possible instead to simply change the log daemon." - they did, its called journald
"make text logging a second-class citizen to binary logging." - its not, its configurable, you are calling it that to advance your opinion
Yes, of course lessons must be learnt from history but progress must be moving forward even when there are bumps on the road. Sometimes you end up take a step backward to go forwards.
well, fuck me. there are bugs in systems. lets all go back to the days when all software was written without bugs, if you can tell when those glory days were, i'd appreciate it. Bugs get fixed, sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly.
Any file type can get corrupted, its not just binary files. if your whole text file is splatted by binary data from somewhere, you'd have just as much trouble decoding it. One advantage of binary would be a lot less easy to hack by an intruder (not impossible). With journald you can configure it to spit out both types so you'd be covered if one is screwed up unless a buggy program is screwing up the logging.
but the scripts you use that includes those tools will have to change because you'll be grepping, cutting etc for the wrong stuff if they change the data format eg dates formatted differently or data repositioned
Its sort of the same thing as the users are using the distributions. If systemd didn't work then there would be a huge vocal majority of users against it, at the moment its a just minority that is loud to make it look like a lot of detractors.
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"Ocean no,.." - that may just be a matter of time since they can have oil rigs in the North Sea
and here is a variation on that principle.. http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/ne...
farmers do as well and the badly designed and old Northern California Altamont Pass wind farm which was built smack dab in the middle of a major migratory route for large birds does as well. Have a read of this article to compare which man-made structures cause the most bird deaths (but cats win the prize) http://science.howstuffworks.c...
All new tech costs more to start with, this is still a relatively young industry
A lot of wind farms are being positioned in the sea. There are also methods for reducing any soil erosion, they just need to be deployed. Cats kill more birds than any wind farm, pollution kills more people than wind turbines. Nothing is perfect
they don't really take up much space but they can cover a large area.
A lot of the Scandinavian housing stock is highly insulated so less energy is used to heat it, keep it warm or cool it and keep it cool. If all houses where built to or close to the Passivhaus specification , energy use would drop and people would spend less on energy.
isn't a lot of Aussie coal going to China?
Seems like the Australian solar sector is growing rapidly. http://cleantechnica.com/2014/...
They could also get a bit from updating their sewage plants to convert faeces into a burnable fuel
"Apple and Google and develop a system that meets merchant needs" - fat chance of that, Apple and Google develop systems that meet THEIR needs not anyone else's
"I would categorize it more as a three centuries of enslavement and discrimination do not end overnight with equality for all just because a law is signed." - i agree, the Jews are still suffering anti-semitism as prescribed by the catholic church over a thousand years ago (though mainly by the people who hate because of your skin)
well, you'd better get reading the article then because thats not the reason. or maybe your comprehension is lacking
"Religion isn't a buffet, you can't pick and choose what you like and ignore the rest." - unfortunately the fundamentalists are the only ones that understand that and try to practice it (except when they eat pork, shellfish etc, and don;t stone people to death). Agnostics etc also understand that and do try to point it out but it gets conveniently ignored.
even the Pope has got with it http://www.independent.co.uk/n... - sort of torpedoes the Creation museum as well
you can just configure systemd to use the existing services if you want. my opensuse 13.1 uses the standard ntp/dhcp and not the systemd versions - thats how it came "out of the box"
"text logging is a second-class citizen" thats just an opinion on which system you favour, its an option.
"No one claimed that it was not possible to have text logging if you are using systemd." - thats not true, i've seen plenty in the past but as the misinformation is being dispelled its getting less. Its the one reason i started to look into the situation to see whats true and whats not
"The claim is that in the lag between systemd binary logs and the time when systemd has bothered to hand the message off to the next systemd and it gets written to disk, you can lose messages from your text logs that may or may not be in your systemd log due to truncation of the binary log in the case of a crash, " what's the "next systemd"? The claim is "shit happens", are you saying text log records cannot be lost in the case of a crash? Have you got a link where it explains/points out the time delay between binary and text logging?
"There was no need whatsoever to make a new logging daemon which is integrated with a new init daemon if the goal was to implement binary logging." - I doubt they'd create a new init system just to implement binary logging
"Because of the modular nature of Unix, it is possible instead to simply change the log daemon." - they did, its called journald
"make text logging a second-class citizen to binary logging." - its not, its configurable, you are calling it that to advance your opinion
Yes, of course lessons must be learnt from history but progress must be moving forward even when there are bumps on the road. Sometimes you end up take a step backward to go forwards.
well, fuck me. there are bugs in systems. lets all go back to the days when all software was written without bugs, if you can tell when those glory days were, i'd appreciate it. Bugs get fixed, sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly.
just configure it to just spit it out to syslog if thats an issue.
Any file type can get corrupted, its not just binary files. if your whole text file is splatted by binary data from somewhere, you'd have just as much trouble decoding it. One advantage of binary would be a lot less easy to hack by an intruder (not impossible). With journald you can configure it to spit out both types so you'd be covered if one is screwed up unless a buggy program is screwing up the logging.
it will change your script if you are cutting that data out of a grepped line
but the scripts you use that includes those tools will have to change because you'll be grepping, cutting etc for the wrong stuff if they change the data format eg dates formatted differently or data repositioned
thats a fight before my time
and doesn't work on flat configuration files related to systemd?
Its sort of the same thing as the users are using the distributions. If systemd didn't work then there would be a huge vocal majority of users against it, at the moment its a just minority that is loud to make it look like a lot of detractors.