"Investigate all you like, but do it with two caveats:
1) climate does change, and trying to keep everything just like it is in the 1980s (or whenever) may do more damage than just letting it cycle naturally.
2) before your investigations turn into actions, you'd damned well better know for certain what you are doing - making mistakes on a global level will have global consequences, and will last for a very long, long time."
1) its in an accelerated cycle now so mitigation is a plus - the date you'd want for clean atmosphere would be prior to the discovery of coal, remember there was still a lot of lead burnt in fuel and CFCs floating around killing the ozone layer. Coal started the industrial revolution.
2) We are already making huge mistakes that have a global consequence in a bad way which is the status quo i.e. no-one knew what damage they were doing with the advent of fossil fuel burning (until recently) and there are a load of loud people out there denying that it is damaging. I'd suggest any mitigation measures are going to be better than sitting on your hands doing nothing
Did you read this line at the bottom? "I'm sure some things I remember as having originated at Apple were independently developed elsewhere. But the Mac brought them to the world."
Jobs did the same with the mobile phone, he partnered up with motorola to get iTunes up and running, he takes ideas from others and expands/improves them
"The PEOPLE who let this happen deserve to be punished for betraying the user base and deliberately wasting donated money on bullshit." - i think it would be better if you identified yourself and then listed all the posts/emails to GNOME where you tried to stop it happening otherwise you'll be in the category you identified as "The PEOPLE who...."
" I could write a book on how these guys, their ilk and all their shit is suck, suck, suck." - please do, we'd all love to read it. Would it be a book of many pages?
"Somebody please set up a crowd funder for this and see if we can get anyone to react" - why don't you set it up and put the first $100 into it after all its your itch to scratch. set the example for others to follow
Just tried to fix your rant..
"Pollution is harmful. So you BASTARDS that have been trying to reduce CO2 to stop it becoming the dominant gas in the air (which can kill) have diverted vast funds of money that might have gone have gone into reducing real and meaningful pollution.
Many species have died and will die because of your idiocy.
Those of us who ACTUALLY care about the environment saw Anti Global Warming as the political sham it always was, funnelling money into lining the pockets of many politically connected people and fossil fuel industries. Those of us who care have seen the rusted nodding donkeys from decades past, and shake our heads as the cycle of meaningless and environmentally damaging forms of fossil fuel energy comes around for another pass..
But please, do go on posing as if you care what happens to the Earth while you promote support for things like fossil fuels."
The climate in the UK has been slowly changing over the passed 15 or so years, the extremes are getting wider. I think once all the ice has melted in the polar regions and its no longer feeding cold water in to the seas to keep it relatively cool, the temperatures will rise quicker and more noticeably.
There are places that are having more extreme temperatures, he or she could be in one of them. Here in the UK, winters are warmer, rain fall has increased to create flooding, summer temperatures are getting more extreme so i guess there is the opposite happening somewhere. People tend to attribute "their" local experience as a whole world experience
"And it's not like India and China give a shit, with Africa following." - thats always the case with new economies, they were way behind the old economies when coal was the energy of choice. So while the west was polluting like made, they were not. Its up to the more advanced economies to show and practice more advanced energy generation and these new economies will follow suit as it will be them that make the parts of the new tech because of the cheap labour. As the new economies with huge populations get richer, they will demand more energy, more food and that will accelerate the need for more energy and food production. So the quicker we get to zero pollution generation of energy, the better.
"We absolutely, positively need petroleum right now in order to exist." - yes, but we need to act now to mitigate the climate change. As the population grows, more fossil fuels get used, rivers get more polluted due to over fertilisation e.g. http://news.nationalgeographic...
"The solution in the short term is to use the best methods to obtain petroleum based products, fracking, to keep costs down" - that may be also causing problems
http://time.com/60045/ohio-geo...
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"Investigate all you like, but do it with two caveats: 1) climate does change, and trying to keep everything just like it is in the 1980s (or whenever) may do more damage than just letting it cycle naturally. 2) before your investigations turn into actions, you'd damned well better know for certain what you are doing - making mistakes on a global level will have global consequences, and will last for a very long, long time."
1) its in an accelerated cycle now so mitigation is a plus - the date you'd want for clean atmosphere would be prior to the discovery of coal, remember there was still a lot of lead burnt in fuel and CFCs floating around killing the ozone layer. Coal started the industrial revolution.
2) We are already making huge mistakes that have a global consequence in a bad way which is the status quo i.e. no-one knew what damage they were doing with the advent of fossil fuel burning (until recently) and there are a load of loud people out there denying that it is damaging. I'd suggest any mitigation measures are going to be better than sitting on your hands doing nothing
Did you read this line at the bottom? "I'm sure some things I remember as having originated at Apple were independently developed elsewhere. But the Mac brought them to the world."
Jobs did the same with the mobile phone, he partnered up with motorola to get iTunes up and running, he takes ideas from others and expands/improves them
I hope you remember that when they put up your personal tax to cover the shortfall made by all the large corporates avoiding their share of tax
"Gnome became bloated" - please explain exactly what you mean with this statement, i would like to know what "bloated" is in this context
"Are you intentionally trying to act out and be a dick to everyone merely to get your jollies?" - you seem to be doing that... so its pot kettle black
not unlike a troll comment of no content from an AC
"The PEOPLE who let this happen deserve to be punished for betraying the user base and deliberately wasting donated money on bullshit." - i think it would be better if you identified yourself and then listed all the posts/emails to GNOME where you tried to stop it happening otherwise you'll be in the category you identified as "The PEOPLE who...."
" I could write a book on how these guys, their ilk and all their shit is suck, suck, suck." - please do, we'd all love to read it. Would it be a book of many pages?
shit, these attempts at troll posts by 12 year olds are boring
"Somebody please set up a crowd funder for this and see if we can get anyone to react" - why don't you set it up and put the first $100 into it after all its your itch to scratch. set the example for others to follow
you'll get a headache if you keep nutting the client and the server
and they've done their best at tax avoidance depriving each country where they trade of valuable tax revenue
I think thats down to Xerox Parc, not Apple
we've evolved past the point of needing a man made god figure, just some haven't caught up yet
more heat means more moisture in the air hence more extreme climate conditions all over the world
i'm not surprised you are trolling as an AC, that was embarrassing.
CO2 is pollution if it contributes to changes in the climate which it is doing
Just tried to fix your rant..
"Pollution is harmful. So you BASTARDS that have been trying to reduce CO2 to stop it becoming the dominant gas in the air (which can kill) have diverted vast funds of money that might have gone have gone into reducing real and meaningful pollution.
Many species have died and will die because of your idiocy.
Those of us who ACTUALLY care about the environment saw Anti Global Warming as the political sham it always was, funnelling money into lining the pockets of many politically connected people and fossil fuel industries. Those of us who care have seen the rusted nodding donkeys from decades past, and shake our heads as the cycle of meaningless and environmentally damaging forms of fossil fuel energy comes around for another pass..
But please, do go on posing as if you care what happens to the Earth while you promote support for things like fossil fuels."
The climate in the UK has been slowly changing over the passed 15 or so years, the extremes are getting wider. I think once all the ice has melted in the polar regions and its no longer feeding cold water in to the seas to keep it relatively cool, the temperatures will rise quicker and more noticeably.
don't forget the ozone layer hole slowly repairing
There are places that are having more extreme temperatures, he or she could be in one of them. Here in the UK, winters are warmer, rain fall has increased to create flooding, summer temperatures are getting more extreme so i guess there is the opposite happening somewhere. People tend to attribute "their" local experience as a whole world experience
"And it's not like India and China give a shit, with Africa following." - thats always the case with new economies, they were way behind the old economies when coal was the energy of choice. So while the west was polluting like made, they were not.
Its up to the more advanced economies to show and practice more advanced energy generation and these new economies will follow suit as it will be them that make the parts of the new tech because of the cheap labour. As the new economies with huge populations get richer, they will demand more energy, more food and that will accelerate the need for more energy and food production.
So the quicker we get to zero pollution generation of energy, the better.
"We absolutely, positively need petroleum right now in order to exist." - yes, but we need to act now to mitigate the climate change. As the population grows, more fossil fuels get used, rivers get more polluted due to over fertilisation e.g. http://news.nationalgeographic...
"The solution in the short term is to use the best methods to obtain petroleum based products, fracking, to keep costs down" - that may be also causing problems http://time.com/60045/ohio-geo...
We have to start now, there is no choice really.
" the big investors influencing their actions would like us to believe" - and those big investors would be? the Fossil Fuel industry?
oh go away. that is such an immature and stupid rationale. are you still a teenager who thinks they can think?