Protestantism developed because of the corruption and institutional abuse of the Catholic religion. Religion in not really a philosophy, its an ideology because it has a god in it. Can someone remind me who made God?
"The question is meaningless until you have a definition of "good" and "moral"." its only meaningless to the religious as they have to follow a script. If you can't work out what's good or bad all by yourself then i guess that person has a problem.
yes, but the nutjobs are zealous and true followers of the word of their god, they don't cherry pick the more secular bits like the moderate ones. If you are moderate, you are more secular than you think.
isn't the old testament in all the christian bibles? they cherry pick all the good bits from the old testament. and Jesus christ was a Jew as far as the myth goes.
"YOU can't have free will AND a God." - if you are a christian you can, its used to explain all the nasty things christians do. Cherry Picking from the bibles of the abrahamic religions is their favourite sport
One day Leviticus the word of God and the next its consigned to the obsolete section. Another christian trait, cherry picking So do you have a bibile with all the genocide, homophobia, misogyny, slavery etc cut out?
hahahaha, you can't see gravity either but its there and i bet you believe it. If you can't accept proof then you need to start doing a bit more research to gain an understanding. Once you begin to gain an understanding then you will know its easier to acknowledge evolution than it is to believe in a god ordained world - i mean , who created God to have such powers? and then in turn who created the being that created god etc etc etc
"Personally I think anyone who doesn't believe in evolution is a total f*cking idiot." - there i just fixed that for you...
"I might conclude that dropping ANYTHING will make it fall to the ground." - and thats not a scientific theory, you want to call that a hypothesis.
A scientific theory is a body of evidence so your use of theory is wrong.
"My point is, we take it on faith that things will work out based on our theory" - not at all...faith has nothing to do with science or scientific theory..
"I'm guessing from what I've heard about him that Dawkins did insert gratuitous - and probably wildly inaccurate - offensive remarks about Islam; " - how about quoting from any article where you got this idea that Dawkins actually did what you accuse him of doing?
"Pakistan, which is about as conservative and Muslim as you can get " - yes, we noticed how the muslims in Pakistan applauded the assassination of the christian MP by his muslim bodyguard for his beliefs.
"So I will not say that the very idea of Creationism is wrong, If I (and they) want to believe that, it is my(/our) right." - quite right, it is your right to believe what ever you want but be prepared to be ridiculed if you want to believe in creationism or religion or any other crazy idea
"if an eminent scholar presents forward a *theory*," - depends if its a proper theory backed up by evidence. I get from your post that you understand the meaning of "theory" is definition 2 (see below) This is the common mis-understanding of "theory" by anti-evolutionists that have done no real research but have just listened to creationists/religious.
Dictionary Definition of THEORY
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity, gravity, evolution Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.
3. Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles: conflicting theories of how children best learn to read.
Allegory only came about for bible stories as science got stronger and questioned/disproved biblical "facts" . Go back 1000 years, the whole bible was literal.
"Reading the Bible ONLY literally, or ONLY allegorically, is a sure way of getting it wrong" - so you mean that cherry-picking which story is literal and which is allegorical is correct - who decides which is which????
"if I believe anything different" - if that is creationism or religion, then they deserved to be ridiculed. Thats probably why they plead "i'm offended" when they are ridiculed because they have no plausible argument and it must be very embarrassing for them.
" why a lot of science DOES actually depend on faith." - f*cking bollox
"Please read the rest of this post before flaming me" - i did and its wrong, you are playing semantics +
"It requires faith on my part to believe that the 1001st time I drop the rock it will also drop to the ground" - no it doesn't, scientific fact tells you it will drop. "Belief" is defined as certainty where "faith" is not based on proof
"Because, if for the 1001st time I drop something, it might be a helium ballooon" - No it won't because you are either dropping "rocks" or "balloons". You can't change the experiment from dropping "rocks" to dropping "something"
Depends if they end up praying for you as a treatment... here in the UK we've had some nutjob christian church telling people here to stop their AIDs treatment and god will cure them, 6 have died so far -
Imagine one of the pastors retraining and becoming your doctor
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Protestantism developed because of the corruption and institutional abuse of the Catholic religion. Religion in not really a philosophy, its an ideology because it has a god in it. Can someone remind me who made God?
"The question is meaningless until you have a definition of "good" and "moral"." its only meaningless to the religious as they have to follow a script. If you can't work out what's good or bad all by yourself then i guess that person has a problem.
Did he really say that or did Mithras say that? You know, the guy that Jesus was modeled on.
yes, but the nutjobs are zealous and true followers of the word of their god, they don't cherry pick the more secular bits like the moderate ones. If you are moderate, you are more secular than you think.
isn't the old testament in all the christian bibles? they cherry pick all the good bits from the old testament. and Jesus christ was a Jew as far as the myth goes.
"YOU can't have free will AND a God." - if you are a christian you can, its used to explain all the nasty things christians do. Cherry Picking from the bibles of the abrahamic religions is their favourite sport
One day Leviticus the word of God and the next its consigned to the obsolete section. Another christian trait, cherry picking So do you have a bibile with all the genocide, homophobia, misogyny, slavery etc cut out?
you pronounce it "cute" - i think....
hahahaha, you can't see gravity either but its there and i bet you believe it. If you can't accept proof then you need to start doing a bit more research to gain an understanding. Once you begin to gain an understanding then you will know its easier to acknowledge evolution than it is to believe in a god ordained world - i mean , who created God to have such powers? and then in turn who created the being that created god etc etc etc
"Personally I think anyone who doesn't believe in evolution is a total f*cking idiot." - there i just fixed that for you...
"I might conclude that dropping ANYTHING will make it fall to the ground." - and thats not a scientific theory, you want to call that a hypothesis.
A scientific theory is a body of evidence so your use of theory is wrong.
"My point is, we take it on faith that things will work out based on our theory" - not at all...faith has nothing to do with science or scientific theory..
"that not that long ago executed people for stealing food to feed their family" - when exactly?
Islamic law - a system that makes raped women guilty of the crime of rape, you don't want to be a woman living under Sharia law.
As soon as i saw Ray Comfort, the banana man, if closed the tab.
"I'm guessing from what I've heard about him that Dawkins did insert gratuitous - and probably wildly inaccurate - offensive remarks about Islam; " - how about quoting from any article where you got this idea that Dawkins actually did what you accuse him of doing?
"Pakistan, which is about as conservative and Muslim as you can get " - yes, we noticed how the muslims in Pakistan applauded the assassination of the christian MP by his muslim bodyguard for his beliefs.
"So I will not say that the very idea of Creationism is wrong, If I (and they) want to believe that, it is my(/our) right." - quite right, it is your right to believe what ever you want but be prepared to be ridiculed if you want to believe in creationism or religion or any other crazy idea
"if an eminent scholar presents forward a *theory*," - depends if its a proper theory backed up by evidence.
I get from your post that you understand the meaning of "theory" is definition 2 (see below) This is the common mis-understanding of "theory" by anti-evolutionists that have done no real research but have just listened to creationists/religious.
Dictionary Definition of THEORY
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity, gravity, evolution Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.
3. Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles: conflicting theories of how children best learn to read.
Allegory only came about for bible stories as science got stronger and questioned/disproved biblical "facts" . Go back 1000 years, the whole bible was literal.
"Reading the Bible ONLY literally, or ONLY allegorically, is a sure way of getting it wrong" - so you mean that cherry-picking which story is literal and which is allegorical is correct - who decides which is which????
"if I believe anything different" - if that is creationism or religion, then they deserved to be ridiculed. Thats probably why they plead "i'm offended" when they are ridiculed because they have no plausible argument and it must be very embarrassing for them.
" why a lot of science DOES actually depend on faith." - f*cking bollox
"Please read the rest of this post before flaming me" - i did and its wrong, you are playing semantics
+ "It requires faith on my part to believe that the 1001st time I drop the rock it will also drop to the ground" - no it doesn't, scientific fact tells you it will drop. "Belief" is defined as certainty where "faith" is not based on proof
"Because, if for the 1001st time I drop something, it might be a helium ballooon" - No it won't because you are either dropping "rocks" or "balloons". You can't change the experiment from dropping "rocks" to dropping "something"
Depends if they end up praying for you as a treatment... here in the UK we've had some nutjob christian church telling people here to stop their AIDs treatment and god will cure them, 6 have died so far -
Imagine one of the pastors retraining and becoming your doctor
Most of them have licences to sell Microsoft software....
Probably be iOccupy.....
Good on you, having a life outside /. - whats it like???
can't blame Bush - its all those homo-sexuals having immoral fun that has angered god
Half each??
Here's Coynes response to Haughts accusations. http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/theologian-john-haught-refuses-to-release-video-of-our-debate/#comment-149313