they are worse than cartoon villains. cartoon villains have integrity.
and, they indeed violated their own rhetoric, multiple times. from leaving the war veterans/servicemen untended in military hospitals by cutting budgets for them, to what we have been discussing. their list is so endless that, i wont even bother detailing it to someone who says they have not contradicted themselves.
the very fact that a random person on internet, from turkey knows about these instances of contradiction, should be a waking up slap in the face for you. however, apparently its not being as such.
you are the one 'missing' the point. nazi party just put in whatever it thought would garner them votes enough to get into power without a coalition, regardless of origin. that is why they had socialist in their party name. not only that, but they had the habit of doing/saying whatever that would give them more power. had they been on the face of the planet as they were, today, you would see that they would be incorporating a lot of things ranging from 'free market' to 'social media' in their manifestos, and none of them would come to fruition.
nazi party had the habit of LYING. they would talk about peace with p.ms of foreign countries in the airport, and after sending them with a smile in their face, they would return to sending in-party memos to each other discussing how gullible the leaders of the democratic were, and how easy was it to deceive them, and what method should be used next. hitler was on top of the list that had that fun habit.
the fact that you are gullible as to fool into the same kind of misinformation and deceit after 60 years, tells millions about your gullibility. no wonder fox has been able to shape a lot of you morons into thinking that nazi party was socialist, whereas the political sciences in ANY part of the world has been saying they were the perfect example of a right wing fascist party from the start to its end.
maybe its because you see the world from that narrow moronic ayn rand window, which equates 'free market' with liberty, and anything that is not, with 'authoritarianism'. that is not as such. authoritarianism and free markets are irrelevant, and 'free market' is not freedom, or liberty. its just an economic approach, feudalistic too.
all the bullshit you are talking, are stuff invented in right wing america, for propagation of their own private interests. what makes one a moron, is falling for such deceit, and believing their shillery, flying in the face of political sciences.
nazi party is the apex example of fascism. fascism, is defined as an extreme right wing ideology, that goes hand in hand with private property and established corporate conglomerates.
In your haste to call other people morons, you have revealed your own ignorance.
1) It was NSDAP, not "nasdap."
so ?
Those points draw on some key Socialist ideals. Now, the National Socialist German Workers' Party was no more the pure embodiment of socialism than was the Communist Party of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But both were undeniably strongly influenced by socialist ideas, and went well beyond simple lip service in name only. To suggest otherwise in the case of one is to get bogged down in pre-conceived false political categorizations.
apparently you havent read and understood what you have replied to:
nasdap was socialist only in name, in order to be able to get votes in the elections from the socialist segment of the society. they had no similarity with anything socialist apart from the wordage in their name.
you are just like the fools in germany who voted for nazi party, thinking that they had socialist inclinations, just because it is advertised as such. even after 60 years ignorance of history can fool people about truth. all the referenced items in your list, were for RIGHT purposes, fascism. and even so, there are only few items in the list you referenced which actually came true. lets break it down :
Point 7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens.
Point 11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
didnt happen, except in areas in which people were conscripted, or put into work for military purposes or fascist means.
Point 12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
Point 13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
Point 14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
leave aside not happening, german government was still awarding private contracts to private corporations/parties even at the waning days of war, with scarce resources. even full mobilization didnt happen, and private sector was in charge of the production. german industry never went close to full capacity, even when it was desperately needed, and could turn the tide of war. a lot of the prominent german companies today, became richer then, and unfortunately only some have been charged with war crimes and profiteering.
Point 15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
Point 16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses...
Point 17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
none of these came near fruition except where the people were put to work for FASCIST purposes, military or otherwise.
Point 20. The State is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions.
Point 21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor...
for the purposes of fascist right wing reengineering of society. hitlerjugend is the result of this. as for 'outlawing child labor', i would refer you to child soldiers in the waning days of war.
the only people in the world who are able to come up and claim that nazi party was 'socialist', despite the political science, globally, has been showing them as the right of right, the perfect example of fascism, are american right.
actually judging from what i saw and learned during my engineering training, it is possible to sustain this level of luxury even if only 1-2% of actual people work, thanks to automation, even today. resources and production is abundant (a lot of factories work on 20% or so capacity to force prices up in market), but not utilized, because the antidemocratic private interests who are holding them in their custody, do not want to have that kind of abundance. artificial scarcity ensues.
despite i have stressed the word ACCORDING TO THE REPUBLICAN RHETORIC, you are continually talking out of your own opinions and your view.
if, it was you who was opposing it in the senate, yes, you would be right. because you havent spent the last 10 years drumming a war on 'terror', and attributing patriotism to it.
however, republicans did. it doesnt matter how 'vulgar' the plan to aid the patriotic firefighters at the forefront of war on terror was, according to THEIR RHETORIC they had to support it, and also advocate bringing in all the firefighters who responded to the wrecks in all states on 9/11.
they havent. they have contradicted THEIR OWN RHETORIC.
this is basically what ends up if you allow private interests/groups to govern life. you dont get served, if you dont return enough profits. not even profit is enough.
government's task in this is not mandating prices - its ensuring that noone gets discriminated, and internet doesnt become a walled garden of private interests.
its your responsibility to claim ownership of your government, and use it as a tool to protect your freedoms. government, was invented for that purpose.
no 'invisible hand' will come and protect your freedoms.
No, what they opposed was a bill that called for spending $11 billion without any clear explanation of what that dollar amount was chosen, or how it would be specifically spent. And - quite reaonably - many asked why a firefighter who got sick doing his job in NYC at that particular event is any more deserving than a firefighter in San Fransisco who gets sick while doing his job.
no. what they have opposed, was something that would benefit the people who have been at the forefront of their much-touted 'war on terror'.
this is not whether the budget is 11 bil, or this or that.
if, you are drumming nationalism, patriotism, and using various servicemen to that end, you do not come up and oppose aiding them like morons, contradicting your own argument. that was what they did.
with the drum they were beating, a firefighter at the front of the 'patriotic' 'war on terror', would indeed be more deserving than an ordinary firefighter in omaha. ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN RHETORIC. even if the two firefighters should, in logic and rationale, have the same rights, ACCORDING TO THE RHETORIC REPUBLICANS WERE SELLING, they shouldnt have been.
just like how someone serving in actual front, gets more reparations, benefits and resources than someone staying at home front.
no, even more so than the democrats. they do not have any hesitation in opposing giving healthcare to 9/11 first responders, even after drumming up the nationalism/patriotism card for a decade.
democrats have at least SOME consideration in regard to principle. they at least try to make whatever filth they are doing seem to fit their ideology, even in appearance. republicans dont even have that concern.
whatever their private backers, corporations want at THAT given moment in time, they drum it. if the corporations want the exact opposite 2 months later, they see no issues reverting back. they even dont care whether someone may notice and make a fool of them in media. and at the end they end up the greatest material for news comedy shows.
moron. talking about things which you dont know zit about.
nasdap was socialist only in name, in order to be able to get votes in the elections from the socialist segment of the society. they had no similarity with anything socialist apart from the wordage in their name. in fact, left was their biggest enemy, even more than the jews.
you are the perfect example of the moron that right likes to manipulate successfully. bask in your morondom.
it was apparently modded down, and then up. why was it modded down ? dont answer. the question is rhetorical, and posed to the moron who has modded it down.
so you have come out and mistakenly posted with your own nick, instead of insulting as anonymous. i'd much rather be an assange cocksucker than a witless moron who insults people anonymously, lacking the balls to do it with his/her own identity.
this non-discussion is over. come back when you learn some 'fuckin' manners.
With the backing of Putin, could this be the breakthrough free software has been waiting for?
hahahah - a 200 million country is moving entirely to linux in government. what do you think ? and, there is no remorse, hesitation, or going back. for, comrade putin has ordered as thus ! i'd like to see microsoft try and cope up with this...
Legal=not illegal. It in no way implies the use of the legal system for said revenge.
Maybe you should try fucking reading with comprehension.
maybe you should fucking stop talking about law, while not knowing shit about it.
in european countries with decent legal systems, if it comes out that you are using the justice system for revenge, EVEN if legally, you lose the case you are pursuing against someone. in the least case, it is mandated by law that such an evidence should be weighed against your case and reduce it, and this is set by precedents. the mere mention of advising someone to use law for revenge is an offense in some countries.
but of course, its easy to blabbermouth without knowing stuff, like you are doing, anonymously...
are you aware that the translation you have linked has "7 Steps to Legal Revenge by Anna Ardin" as the article title ? and youre saying she did not suggest using the legal system to do so ?
its not the only source that perpetuates condom breaking. the swedish prosecutor had a tough time trying to invent a case after being pressurized to reopen the case.
Slashdot Mirror
they are worse than cartoon villains. cartoon villains have integrity.
and, they indeed violated their own rhetoric, multiple times. from leaving the war veterans/servicemen untended in military hospitals by cutting budgets for them, to what we have been discussing. their list is so endless that, i wont even bother detailing it to someone who says they have not contradicted themselves.
the very fact that a random person on internet, from turkey knows about these instances of contradiction, should be a waking up slap in the face for you. however, apparently its not being as such.
you are the one 'missing' the point. nazi party just put in whatever it thought would garner them votes enough to get into power without a coalition, regardless of origin. that is why they had socialist in their party name. not only that, but they had the habit of doing/saying whatever that would give them more power. had they been on the face of the planet as they were, today, you would see that they would be incorporating a lot of things ranging from 'free market' to 'social media' in their manifestos, and none of them would come to fruition.
nazi party had the habit of LYING. they would talk about peace with p.ms of foreign countries in the airport, and after sending them with a smile in their face, they would return to sending in-party memos to each other discussing how gullible the leaders of the democratic were, and how easy was it to deceive them, and what method should be used next. hitler was on top of the list that had that fun habit.
the fact that you are gullible as to fool into the same kind of misinformation and deceit after 60 years, tells millions about your gullibility. no wonder fox has been able to shape a lot of you morons into thinking that nazi party was socialist, whereas the political sciences in ANY part of the world has been saying they were the perfect example of a right wing fascist party from the start to its end.
maybe its because you see the world from that narrow moronic ayn rand window, which equates 'free market' with liberty, and anything that is not, with 'authoritarianism'. that is not as such. authoritarianism and free markets are irrelevant, and 'free market' is not freedom, or liberty. its just an economic approach, feudalistic too.
all the bullshit you are talking, are stuff invented in right wing america, for propagation of their own private interests. what makes one a moron, is falling for such deceit, and believing their shillery, flying in the face of political sciences.
nazi party is the apex example of fascism. fascism, is defined as an extreme right wing ideology, that goes hand in hand with private property and established corporate conglomerates.
In your haste to call other people morons, you have revealed your own ignorance. 1) It was NSDAP, not "nasdap."
so ?
Those points draw on some key Socialist ideals. Now, the National Socialist German Workers' Party was no more the pure embodiment of socialism than was the Communist Party of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But both were undeniably strongly influenced by socialist ideas, and went well beyond simple lip service in name only. To suggest otherwise in the case of one is to get bogged down in pre-conceived false political categorizations.
apparently you havent read and understood what you have replied to :
nasdap was socialist only in name, in order to be able to get votes in the elections from the socialist segment of the society. they had no similarity with anything socialist apart from the wordage in their name.
you are just like the fools in germany who voted for nazi party, thinking that they had socialist inclinations, just because it is advertised as such. even after 60 years ignorance of history can fool people about truth. all the referenced items in your list, were for RIGHT purposes, fascism. and even so, there are only few items in the list you referenced which actually came true. lets break it down :
Point 7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. Point 11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
didnt happen, except in areas in which people were conscripted, or put into work for military purposes or fascist means.
Point 12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits. Point 13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts). Point 14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
leave aside not happening, german government was still awarding private contracts to private corporations/parties even at the waning days of war, with scarce resources. even full mobilization didnt happen, and private sector was in charge of the production. german industry never went close to full capacity, even when it was desperately needed, and could turn the tide of war. a lot of the prominent german companies today, became richer then, and unfortunately only some have been charged with war crimes and profiteering.
Point 15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare. Point 16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses ...
Point 17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
none of these came near fruition except where the people were put to work for FASCIST purposes, military or otherwise.
Point 20. The State is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. Point 21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor ...
for the purposes of fascist right wing reengineering of society. hitlerjugend is the result of this. as for 'outlawing child labor', i would refer you to child soldiers in the waning days of war.
the only people in the world who are able to come up and claim that nazi party was 'socialist', despite the political science, globally, has been showing them as the right of right, the perfect example of fascism, are american right.
that is why i am calling you morons.
actually judging from what i saw and learned during my engineering training, it is possible to sustain this level of luxury even if only 1-2% of actual people work, thanks to automation, even today. resources and production is abundant (a lot of factories work on 20% or so capacity to force prices up in market), but not utilized, because the antidemocratic private interests who are holding them in their custody, do not want to have that kind of abundance. artificial scarcity ensues.
despite i have stressed the word ACCORDING TO THE REPUBLICAN RHETORIC, you are continually talking out of your own opinions and your view.
if, it was you who was opposing it in the senate, yes, you would be right. because you havent spent the last 10 years drumming a war on 'terror', and attributing patriotism to it.
however, republicans did. it doesnt matter how 'vulgar' the plan to aid the patriotic firefighters at the forefront of war on terror was, according to THEIR RHETORIC they had to support it, and also advocate bringing in all the firefighters who responded to the wrecks in all states on 9/11.
they havent. they have contradicted THEIR OWN RHETORIC.
this is basically what ends up if you allow private interests/groups to govern life. you dont get served, if you dont return enough profits. not even profit is enough.
government's task in this is not mandating prices - its ensuring that noone gets discriminated, and internet doesnt become a walled garden of private interests.
wow. so, 'non free market' becomes authoritarian, and left ?
...
its interesting to see that fox news is redefining all the political terms of the past 200 years.
so, fascists, which are considered the right of right, in political science, are now left, because, well, because of bullshit, really
again, dont talk about stuff you do not know.
you.
its your responsibility to claim ownership of your government, and use it as a tool to protect your freedoms. government, was invented for that purpose.
no 'invisible hand' will come and protect your freedoms.
mainstream religion
yes. they seem to use religion to herd people.
No, what they opposed was a bill that called for spending $11 billion without any clear explanation of what that dollar amount was chosen, or how it would be specifically spent. And - quite reaonably - many asked why a firefighter who got sick doing his job in NYC at that particular event is any more deserving than a firefighter in San Fransisco who gets sick while doing his job.
no. what they have opposed, was something that would benefit the people who have been at the forefront of their much-touted 'war on terror'.
this is not whether the budget is 11 bil, or this or that.
if, you are drumming nationalism, patriotism, and using various servicemen to that end, you do not come up and oppose aiding them like morons, contradicting your own argument. that was what they did.
with the drum they were beating, a firefighter at the front of the 'patriotic' 'war on terror', would indeed be more deserving than an ordinary firefighter in omaha. ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN RHETORIC. even if the two firefighters should, in logic and rationale, have the same rights, ACCORDING TO THE RHETORIC REPUBLICANS WERE SELLING, they shouldnt have been.
just like how someone serving in actual front, gets more reparations, benefits and resources than someone staying at home front.
12 years ago there was linux. and even before that, there was stallman. and a number of hairy guys together with him. the movement goes way back.
obligatory : get out of my lawn
you tend to frown on any new govt. authority. and, therefore fairies will descend from the sky and protect your freedoms against private interests.
no, even more so than the democrats. they do not have any hesitation in opposing giving healthcare to 9/11 first responders, even after drumming up the nationalism/patriotism card for a decade.
democrats have at least SOME consideration in regard to principle. they at least try to make whatever filth they are doing seem to fit their ideology, even in appearance. republicans dont even have that concern.
whatever their private backers, corporations want at THAT given moment in time, they drum it. if the corporations want the exact opposite 2 months later, they see no issues reverting back. they even dont care whether someone may notice and make a fool of them in media. and at the end they end up the greatest material for news comedy shows.
moron. talking about things which you dont know zit about.
nasdap was socialist only in name, in order to be able to get votes in the elections from the socialist segment of the society. they had no similarity with anything socialist apart from the wordage in their name. in fact, left was their biggest enemy, even more than the jews.
you are the perfect example of the moron that right likes to manipulate successfully. bask in your morondom.
the missing argument in your above post, is ?
it was apparently modded down, and then up. why was it modded down ? dont answer. the question is rhetorical, and posed to the moron who has modded it down.
I think it will end up in the same way as migration of Russian schools to Linux [bbc.co.uk] ultimately went [theinquirer.net].
bleh !!.
this time its the dictator of the country ordering the move. not a minister.
so you have come out and mistakenly posted with your own nick, instead of insulting as anonymous. i'd much rather be an assange cocksucker than a witless moron who insults people anonymously, lacking the balls to do it with his/her own identity.
this non-discussion is over. come back when you learn some 'fuckin' manners.
With the backing of Putin, could this be the breakthrough free software has been waiting for?
hahahah - a 200 million country is moving entirely to linux in government. what do you think ? and, there is no remorse, hesitation, or going back. for, comrade putin has ordered as thus ! i'd like to see microsoft try and cope up with this...
LEGAL REVENGE also denotes a phrase with the meaning of 'legal system revenge', just like how 'legal case' is.
if, her intentions were as you described, she wouldnt have deleted that blog post.
dimwit. "7 Steps to Legal Revenge by Anna Ardin"
Legal=not illegal. It in no way implies the use of the legal system for said revenge. Maybe you should try fucking reading with comprehension.
maybe you should fucking stop talking about law, while not knowing shit about it.
...
in european countries with decent legal systems, if it comes out that you are using the justice system for revenge, EVEN if legally, you lose the case you are pursuing against someone. in the least case, it is mandated by law that such an evidence should be weighed against your case and reduce it, and this is set by precedents. the mere mention of advising someone to use law for revenge is an offense in some countries.
but of course, its easy to blabbermouth without knowing stuff, like you are doing, anonymously
Ny told AFP that overturning another prosecutor's decision was "not an ordinary (procedure), but not so out of the ordinary either."
quite so quite so. its not so out of the ordinary when politicians intervene and you end up having to overturn it out of the blue.
are you aware that the translation you have linked has "7 Steps to Legal Revenge by Anna Ardin" as the article title ? and youre saying she did not suggest using the legal system to do so ?
its not the only source that perpetuates condom breaking. the swedish prosecutor had a tough time trying to invent a case after being pressurized to reopen the case.