and that would sprawn up dozens of new assanges, make him a martyr, start serious investigations and public press about the incident and who did it, and, regardless of who did it, it would make united states be the scapegoat.
To look at that another way, that's not "consensual sex," it's rape. And you're arguing for personal responsibility to go flying out the door, in that you're saying people shouldn't worry about making sure the other person is sober enough to consent or isn't intimidated or coerced.
you got to be ffffffffucking kidding me. really. if you can comment what is below, as rape, get your logic circuits serviced :
Moreover, rape is absurdly loose in this country. You can have consensual sex with a girl, but she can still change her mind the next day and claim you "got her drunk" or "talked her into it".
this is the italian version of the organization that was founded in every nato country, and probably in every country aligned with usa back in cold war.
these secret organizations were set up in order to make sure that those countries 'stayed true to western ideals' -> basically u.s. interests. and, in all cases, even the secret service of the involved country did not officially know or was involved with these organizations, despite probably having members of these organizations among themselves without their knowledge.
operations involved assassinations or character assassinations of dangerous individuals, intellectuals, politicians (death, accidents, or scandals, other means), setting up terrorist acts, even fake terrorist organizations to take blame for various actions in those countries in order to estrange the public from what the organization would claim to be. (set up fake leftist terror groups and estrange people from left ideology, or religions etc), creation and funding of various insurgent/guerilla groups in order to either aid the friendly regime (in 3rd world countries these kind of insurgence was the excuse the dictators were using for oppressive measures), or, to harass nearby unfriendly regimes, arrange any means that would ensure the u.s. friendly parties got the upper hand in elections, in democratic countries. (scandals, bribery schemes, cheating, anything).... the list of activities is endless...
after cold war, some of the countries have ousted and prosecuted these organizations, or closed them down. some of the countries, did not. some of the countries, were not able to do that. some, are still trying.
it is highly possible that, a version of this organization existed or still exists in usa, with, or without the knowledge of its intelligence organizations.
and this 'rape case', seems WAY too similar with the cases in the accounts that the ex-agents describe in books describing gladio, or testimonies in court cases that were conducted over these.
in case you forgot, wikipedia has a habit of exposing any kind of information to public, including very, very disturbing dealings of united states government and corporations. things even u.s. citizens cannot access and uncover...
when the employer sees this keyword in the resume, s/he should understand that whatever latest buzz is about at that time, the applicant, 'has it'.
that could save both the employer and the applicant a lot of time - the employer, from trying to determine expertise of the applicant in an area employer has no knowledge about, and the applicant from lying about it.
They should go infecting machines, cleaning them, and distributing them to other machines. There is no other way, if we look at the nature. Diseases in body are cleaned similarly by defense cells that carry the cleansing information and multiply.
im not missing anything. i posed the argument in the parent. 'free market', which is something only free until a pecking order is established, functions as transition to a feudal order of ownerships and allegiances in economy. from this point on, controllers of the hierarchy, the pecking order, all the overlord corporations, can proceed to assert their will over the populace, through usage of capitalist mechanics of a capitalist society. ranging from domination of media, information to endless donations for their own manchurian candidates, they make sure that their will gets selected, and populace sees what they want them to see, and thinks the way they want them to think.
A situation when there are laws that interfere with private economic activities cannot be called "free market capitalism" by definition.
the same old bullshit, always, and always.
your crowd just escapes into saying 'but today isnt a free market economy', to defend the ayn rand crap. yeah, today, isnt a totally free market economy, because there are a lot of regulations. and THAT is precisely why, your entire country is not owned by 2 to 4 individuals. because, antitrust regulations make it harder for domination of economy. still, they dominate the economy through a network of shareholderships, holdings, conglomerates, proxy companies, partnerships. however the network has to be much bigger than what it would, and its harder than how it would, if there werent these regulations.
end of 19th century was an environment in which there was no noticeable regulation in free market. it didnt take 70 years from 1830 to 1900, for entire america to end up in the hands of 4 individuals who everyone knows by name now. only advent of theodore roosevelt and antitrust regulations, broke them down, and brought any form of 'choice', in whatever measure it succeeded. else, whatever you could buy would be vanderbilt, rockefeller, carnegie, morgan or fisk, or at most 10 other lesser names. they wouldnt even need to have to resort to deceptive, endless branding they are employing these days.
wake up and dont feed that bullshit to anyone anymore. 'free market' is a delusion, a belief, no different than a religion. in an environment of chaos, if any group is set to gain more power than others, eventually a pecking order is established.
Basically its to let the service providers be free to make internet a feudal domain, just like how the current corporate business world/economy is. Each network will be a feudal domain on which the provider will be free to decide what happens, who travels, who sees what and who cannot see what, behind the guise of charging. Dont like something ? charge more. Competitor ? charge much more.
Its something everyone should be against. The correct way for the isps to get out of the shit they have put themselves by overselling, is to invest the heaps of UNDESERVED cash, they have made. they were basically selling capacity they didnt have. until users started to utilize what they actually have BOUGHT. and now, they chicken out, and try to charge the content providers, because they cannot go to the customers and say 'hey, we SCAMMED you, actually we didnt have that capacity. now, you have to pay more, for what we have sold you'.
its as simple as that. it was a scam, and proposing that internet be broken into feudal domains with spheres of influence to fix it, is beyond medieval. anyone who proposes it should be castrated from political life.
yeah. it wasnt brought upon us by the power of corporations which have grown bigger than 150 of the countries on the face of the planet. it just, happened. oh, and also it was 'government' that brought it upon us. if the government wasnt there, there wouldnt even be any need to bring it upon us, for at&t and chums would directly start applying it on their own network at their own will, but, of course, that even cant be the fault of free market capitalism. because, free market capitalism is 'magical'. it just 'works'. despite it has NEVER worked at any point in time on the history of the planet.
roman republic history would be good. then, go with roman empire history. at the point roman empire crumbles, and migrations happen, you will see the advent of feudalism. that is the critical part in history, since it has all the parallels to this current era, with all these private property issues and whatnot. you will see that, some of what's happening today, is identical to how roman empire turned into serfdom from free citizenship, through the very mechanics of free market. (much, much more free than today's).
read extensively on advent of feudalism, and move to medieval british history, from 1066 to 1400. you will see that maybe a third of the laws, customs, methods, offices, and whatnot we have in western world today, were created in the medieval feudal britain. including the modern form of ownership of property, evolving over the farmland rights.
at that point you will have a pretty good picture of what the hell is happening on this planet, since last 500 years, and what probably will happen in future. unless, some things change radically.
this way or the other, that is what you have, and have to work with. you cannot just allow private interests dominate every aspect of life, brainwash citizens, and just say that 'well, they should have been smart'. they may be going for 'oooh shinies', but, they are still people, and they have a right to not be dominated, fooled, frauded and oppressed.
so you think, this is raping ? despite usa stands at number 13 in that scale, and a lot of small, socialist dominated countries like sweden, finland, stay on top scales ?
I mean America was number 4 in the 2010 list with most all of the European countries falling behind it.
on WHAT list.
that measurement defines how well the life standards reflect in the PEOPLE's lives. like you, and me.
GNP, or GDP doesnt mean shit, if income distribution is bad. there may be 100 billion dollars coming in, but 90 billion of it may be getting owned by just 1% of the population, and they would have 6 yachts to water ski behind, while population does dumpsterfeeding.
So your saying that you won't do it unless you can force others to do it?
This is something that always puzzled me about idiots like you. If it's a good idea and something you actually believe in, then why not do it on your own without the government forcing you to do so? I mean this goes well beyond you in particular. It's like Charlie Reingold and his "we need to tax the rich montra" when he doesn't even report and pay taxes on all his income. It's like Warren Buffet who complained that he didn't pay enough taxes but refused and scoffed at the suggestion that he could simply by checking the box saying he wanted to donate more to the government on his official tax returns.
Why is it that some people claim they actually believe in something yet won't act on what they believe until everyone else is forced to do it? Is it not neccesarily that they believe in it themselves and deep down inside know it's not a good things which is why they reject it if no one else is forced to do it? It is because they don't actually support what they claim and just want the ancillary goal of giving the government that much more power because they know the necessity of making some decisions will be taken from them? I mean seriously, why is it that people like you claim to want something but only if your neighbor is forced to have it too?
that is because you are unlearned in history, and very naive in ways of life. those who dont take lessons from history, are bound to repeat it.
everyone has to be made do it for a very simple reason :
if there is ANY country on earth, in which private citizens are allowed to gain huge wealth and dominance over others, those groups will eventually dominate entire country, steer it in the direction they want, and make entire country do whatever their interests require.
recent case in point : united states iraq adventure, afghanistan adventure. 20th century is full of u.s., as a country, moving to protect its private groups' interests with its OWN citizens' blood, and at the expense of others. basically installing 12+ puppet dictators in 3rd world countries, all of which are wanted for crimes against humanity due to genocides they implemented, and in 2nd and 1st world countries, establishing of shit like this :
not a single american citizen, not even the people who were living in countries in which the clones of the organization above was founded by nato (which is basically usa), were aware of the presence of those organizations, the assassinations, fraud, scam, smuggling, and terrorism they did.
ALL was done to make sure that the 'ally' countries 'stayed true' to 'western ideals'. which, basically ended up as the interests of private groups in united states. not even the benefits of the citizens of usa en masse.
..........
you should have seen my point by now. even citizens of america themselves were aware of what was going on, and even in rare cases they were aware, they were able to do little to prevent it. countless people died in vietnam, billions spent, then afghanistan, iraq. in the cases u.s. government was not able to directly intervene for the sake of private interests, corporate powers themselves spent money in other countries to do it - funding civil wars, instigation, even at times terrorism.
actually, usa example is even more veiled, and 'by the book' compared to other moves that private interests have made, at the onset of the century. when the populace rose in order to throw off the yoke of aristocracy from their country in russia, britain has actually sent troops to fight against them, to suppress the 'rebellion' in russia, so that a socialist country would not come into being. even at the cost of establishing the rigid authoritarian aristocratic rule of tsardom, totally contrary to britain's ideas of 'liberalism' at that time.
your insightful, intellectual and witty approach, and your boundless arguments have brought unfathomable enlightenment to the masses on this fine wednesday morning.
keep up the good work.. world is counting on you !
This was done by corporations that have become scarily powerful, so scarily powerful they can apparently buy enough supporters now to get whatever laws they want.
there are still fools who are thinking that 'free market capitalism' actually can work. despite it ended up with this.
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isnt it your country ? take it back.
i live in a muslim country, and i can testify to the above statement by the parent. dont be overly politically correct. it clouds analytic mind.
your problem.
you have taken them in. disregarding their cultural inheritance.
and that would sprawn up dozens of new assanges, make him a martyr, start serious investigations and public press about the incident and who did it, and, regardless of who did it, it would make united states be the scapegoat.
To look at that another way, that's not "consensual sex," it's rape. And you're arguing for personal responsibility to go flying out the door, in that you're saying people shouldn't worry about making sure the other person is sober enough to consent or isn't intimidated or coerced.
you got to be ffffffffucking kidding me. really. if you can comment what is below, as rape, get your logic circuits serviced :
Moreover, rape is absurdly loose in this country. You can have consensual sex with a girl, but she can still change her mind the next day and claim you "got her drunk" or "talked her into it".
Because it is at the end of its life cycle, they are going to base their o/s on gnu/linux.
Glad to see that Microsoft's hiring department has been keeping their high standards while hiring in russia too.
http://www.google.com/search?q=operation+gladio&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a here's your justice.
it is much more difficult to kill the publicly known journalists or make them disappear.
had he not openly put himself in public eye, he would have got 'an accident' or outright disappeared by now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
.... the list of activities is endless ...
...
this is the italian version of the organization that was founded in every nato country, and probably in every country aligned with usa back in cold war.
these secret organizations were set up in order to make sure that those countries 'stayed true to western ideals' -> basically u.s. interests. and, in all cases, even the secret service of the involved country did not officially know or was involved with these organizations, despite probably having members of these organizations among themselves without their knowledge.
operations involved assassinations or character assassinations of dangerous individuals, intellectuals, politicians (death, accidents, or scandals, other means), setting up terrorist acts, even fake terrorist organizations to take blame for various actions in those countries in order to estrange the public from what the organization would claim to be. (set up fake leftist terror groups and estrange people from left ideology, or religions etc), creation and funding of various insurgent/guerilla groups in order to either aid the friendly regime (in 3rd world countries these kind of insurgence was the excuse the dictators were using for oppressive measures), or, to harass nearby unfriendly regimes, arrange any means that would ensure the u.s. friendly parties got the upper hand in elections, in democratic countries. (scandals, bribery schemes, cheating, anything)
after cold war, some of the countries have ousted and prosecuted these organizations, or closed them down. some of the countries, did not. some of the countries, were not able to do that. some, are still trying.
it is highly possible that, a version of this organization existed or still exists in usa, with, or without the knowledge of its intelligence organizations.
and this 'rape case', seems WAY too similar with the cases in the accounts that the ex-agents describe in books describing gladio, or testimonies in court cases that were conducted over these.
in case you forgot, wikipedia has a habit of exposing any kind of information to public, including very, very disturbing dealings of united states government and corporations. things even u.s. citizens cannot access and uncover
Say, "LatestBuzz".
when the employer sees this keyword in the resume, s/he should understand that whatever latest buzz is about at that time, the applicant, 'has it'.
that could save both the employer and the applicant a lot of time - the employer, from trying to determine expertise of the applicant in an area employer has no knowledge about, and the applicant from lying about it.
They should go infecting machines, cleaning them, and distributing them to other machines. There is no other way, if we look at the nature. Diseases in body are cleaned similarly by defense cells that carry the cleansing information and multiply.
So, when ISPs invest in their infrastructure, they can offset even huge data transmission bottlenecks, like, in 3 years ?
then why the hell arent they just investing in the internet infrastructure, and just shutting their mouth about 'two tiered internet' and whatnot ?
you have comprehension issues. i cant keep discussing like that. have a nice day.
A situation when there are laws that interfere with private economic activities cannot be called "free market capitalism" by definition.
the same old bullshit, always, and always.
your crowd just escapes into saying 'but today isnt a free market economy', to defend the ayn rand crap. yeah, today, isnt a totally free market economy, because there are a lot of regulations. and THAT is precisely why, your entire country is not owned by 2 to 4 individuals. because, antitrust regulations make it harder for domination of economy. still, they dominate the economy through a network of shareholderships, holdings, conglomerates, proxy companies, partnerships. however the network has to be much bigger than what it would, and its harder than how it would, if there werent these regulations.
end of 19th century was an environment in which there was no noticeable regulation in free market. it didnt take 70 years from 1830 to 1900, for entire america to end up in the hands of 4 individuals who everyone knows by name now. only advent of theodore roosevelt and antitrust regulations, broke them down, and brought any form of 'choice', in whatever measure it succeeded. else, whatever you could buy would be vanderbilt, rockefeller, carnegie, morgan or fisk, or at most 10 other lesser names. they wouldnt even need to have to resort to deceptive, endless branding they are employing these days.
wake up and dont feed that bullshit to anyone anymore. 'free market' is a delusion, a belief, no different than a religion. in an environment of chaos, if any group is set to gain more power than others, eventually a pecking order is established.
Que all variations in this thread for the sake of tidiness in 3, 2, 1 ...
Basically its to let the service providers be free to make internet a feudal domain, just like how the current corporate business world/economy is. Each network will be a feudal domain on which the provider will be free to decide what happens, who travels, who sees what and who cannot see what, behind the guise of charging. Dont like something ? charge more. Competitor ? charge much more.
Its something everyone should be against. The correct way for the isps to get out of the shit they have put themselves by overselling, is to invest the heaps of UNDESERVED cash, they have made. they were basically selling capacity they didnt have. until users started to utilize what they actually have BOUGHT. and now, they chicken out, and try to charge the content providers, because they cannot go to the customers and say 'hey, we SCAMMED you, actually we didnt have that capacity. now, you have to pay more, for what we have sold you'.
its as simple as that. it was a scam, and proposing that internet be broken into feudal domains with spheres of influence to fix it, is beyond medieval. anyone who proposes it should be castrated from political life.
wishful thinking.
yeah. it wasnt brought upon us by the power of corporations which have grown bigger than 150 of the countries on the face of the planet. it just, happened. oh, and also it was 'government' that brought it upon us. if the government wasnt there, there wouldnt even be any need to bring it upon us, for at&t and chums would directly start applying it on their own network at their own will, but, of course, that even cant be the fault of free market capitalism. because, free market capitalism is 'magical'. it just 'works'. despite it has NEVER worked at any point in time on the history of the planet.
just start with history.
roman republic history would be good. then, go with roman empire history. at the point roman empire crumbles, and migrations happen, you will see the advent of feudalism. that is the critical part in history, since it has all the parallels to this current era, with all these private property issues and whatnot. you will see that, some of what's happening today, is identical to how roman empire turned into serfdom from free citizenship, through the very mechanics of free market. (much, much more free than today's).
read extensively on advent of feudalism, and move to medieval british history, from 1066 to 1400. you will see that maybe a third of the laws, customs, methods, offices, and whatnot we have in western world today, were created in the medieval feudal britain. including the modern form of ownership of property, evolving over the farmland rights.
at that point you will have a pretty good picture of what the hell is happening on this planet, since last 500 years, and what probably will happen in future. unless, some things change radically.
this way or the other, that is what you have, and have to work with. you cannot just allow private interests dominate every aspect of life, brainwash citizens, and just say that 'well, they should have been smart'. they may be going for 'oooh shinies', but, they are still people, and they have a right to not be dominated, fooled, frauded and oppressed.
if the good people dont act, evil has the day.
so you think, this is raping ? despite usa stands at number 13 in that scale, and a lot of small, socialist dominated countries like sweden, finland, stay on top scales ?
I mean America was number 4 in the 2010 list with most all of the European countries falling behind it.
on WHAT list.
that measurement defines how well the life standards reflect in the PEOPLE's lives. like you, and me.
GNP, or GDP doesnt mean shit, if income distribution is bad. there may be 100 billion dollars coming in, but 90 billion of it may be getting owned by just 1% of the population, and they would have 6 yachts to water ski behind, while population does dumpsterfeeding.
really. just what are you talking about.
So your saying that you won't do it unless you can force others to do it?
This is something that always puzzled me about idiots like you. If it's a good idea and something you actually believe in, then why not do it on your own without the government forcing you to do so? I mean this goes well beyond you in particular. It's like Charlie Reingold and his "we need to tax the rich montra" when he doesn't even report and pay taxes on all his income. It's like Warren Buffet who complained that he didn't pay enough taxes but refused and scoffed at the suggestion that he could simply by checking the box saying he wanted to donate more to the government on his official tax returns.
Why is it that some people claim they actually believe in something yet won't act on what they believe until everyone else is forced to do it? Is it not neccesarily that they believe in it themselves and deep down inside know it's not a good things which is why they reject it if no one else is forced to do it? It is because they don't actually support what they claim and just want the ancillary goal of giving the government that much more power because they know the necessity of making some decisions will be taken from them? I mean seriously, why is it that people like you claim to want something but only if your neighbor is forced to have it too?
that is because you are unlearned in history, and very naive in ways of life. those who dont take lessons from history, are bound to repeat it.
..........
everyone has to be made do it for a very simple reason :
if there is ANY country on earth, in which private citizens are allowed to gain huge wealth and dominance over others, those groups will eventually dominate entire country, steer it in the direction they want, and make entire country do whatever their interests require.
recent case in point : united states iraq adventure, afghanistan adventure. 20th century is full of u.s., as a country, moving to protect its private groups' interests with its OWN citizens' blood, and at the expense of others. basically installing 12+ puppet dictators in 3rd world countries, all of which are wanted for crimes against humanity due to genocides they implemented, and in 2nd and 1st world countries, establishing of shit like this :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
not a single american citizen, not even the people who were living in countries in which the clones of the organization above was founded by nato (which is basically usa), were aware of the presence of those organizations, the assassinations, fraud, scam, smuggling, and terrorism they did.
ALL was done to make sure that the 'ally' countries 'stayed true' to 'western ideals'. which, basically ended up as the interests of private groups in united states. not even the benefits of the citizens of usa en masse.
you should have seen my point by now. even citizens of america themselves were aware of what was going on, and even in rare cases they were aware, they were able to do little to prevent it. countless people died in vietnam, billions spent, then afghanistan, iraq. in the cases u.s. government was not able to directly intervene for the sake of private interests, corporate powers themselves spent money in other countries to do it - funding civil wars, instigation, even at times terrorism.
actually, usa example is even more veiled, and 'by the book' compared to other moves that private interests have made, at the onset of the century. when the populace rose in order to throw off the yoke of aristocracy from their country in russia, britain has actually sent troops to fight against them, to suppress the 'rebellion' in russia, so that a socialist country would not come into being. even at the cost of establishing the rigid authoritarian aristocratic rule of tsardom, totally contrary to britain's ideas of 'liberalism' at that time.
your insightful, intellectual and witty approach, and your boundless arguments have brought unfathomable enlightenment to the masses on this fine wednesday morning.
keep up the good work.. world is counting on you !
well, then, that is our problem here.
This was done by corporations that have become scarily powerful, so scarily powerful they can apparently buy enough supporters now to get whatever laws they want.
there are still fools who are thinking that 'free market capitalism' actually can work. despite it ended up with this.