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Bacteria Used To Fix Cracked Concrete

An anonymous reader writes "Researchers at the UK's University of Newcastle have created a new type of bacteria that generates glue to hold together cracks in concrete structures — that means everything from concrete sidewalks to buildings that have been damaged by earthquakes. When the cells have been germinated, they burrow deep into the concrete until they reach the bottom. At this point, the concrete repair process is activated, and the cells split into three types that produce calcium carbonate crystals, act as reinforcing fibers, and produce glue which acts as a binding agent to fill concrete gaps."

177 comments

  1. Okay. by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it's officially "the future".

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    1. Re:Okay. by somaTh · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nope, still the present. Well, it was. Now it's the past. Stupid entropy.

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    2. Re:Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Call me when they can pour this Bacterial pudding into a bullet wound and have it heal up...that's the future I'm waiting for. Then I can finally start my crime-fighting vigilante spree.

    3. Re:Okay. by camperslo · · Score: 4, Informative

      An older article with considerably more detail. Not sure if it's the same bacteria.

      http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19386-for-selfhealing-concrete-just-ad

    4. Re:Okay. by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seems like a giant "Just So" story if you ask me.

      Lots of pre-programed mutations working perfectly in the laboratory to seal cracks of a known nature.

      Activated when the reach the bottom. Bottom? What if there is no bottom? Most cracks in concrete go right thru the slab.

      React to the specific PH of the concrete? If only all concrete were the same. Its been in use for several hundred years, and the formula has been constantly evolving.

      And nothing is said about the strength. If the concrete was broken by whatever means, what are the chances some bio glue could hold it together against the next insult?

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    5. Re:Okay. by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 1

      It could have healed the Man In the Mountain!

    6. Re:Okay. by sadness203 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem, with bullet wound is... they are not always clean, you can have some clothes debris, or other dirt. Closing the wound is easy (well, relatively speaking) but cleaning it well enough is another thing.

    7. Re:Okay. by Fizzl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lord help us! This the gray goo!
      Soon it will be fixing cracks we did not anticipate!

    8. Re:Okay. by Gotung · · Score: 4, Informative

      Several hundred years? Try several thousand.

    9. Re:Okay. by RapmasterT · · Score: 2, Funny

      Call me when they can pour this Bacterial pudding into a bullet wound and have it heal up...that's the future I'm waiting for. Then I can finally start my crime-fighting vigilante spree.

      Or...you could put this pudding IN the bullet, then as soon as you'd got shot, you'd start healing. Joscelyn Elders would finally be vindicated!

    10. Re:Okay. by Stregano · · Score: 1

      Now we just have to test it as a normal adhesive. Good Bye Crazy Glue. Hello Weird bacteria glue

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    11. Re:Okay. by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe this isn't meant as a permanent repair? It would still be a hell of a boon if it worked fast enough that we could use it to temporarily shore up structures until they could be properly repaired.

    12. Re:Okay. by Gilmoure · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wait, when was this?!!!

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    13. Re:Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed it!

    14. Re:Okay. by cindyann · · Score: 1

      The Romans invented concrete.

      That's only 1600-2200 or so years ago.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/several -> several is more than two.

      IMO "several hundred" was correct.

    15. Re:Okay. by Toze · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I immediately thought of Masamune Shirow's Dominion Tank Police. Bacteria that can grow between cracks in concrete = bacteria that will grow over a lattice. Lash together a frame soaked in bacteria-food, seed the base, come back in a couple of weeks.
      Now, where're my sexy android catgirls?

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    16. Re:Okay. by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

      This is not generally true, bullets are quite hot and tend to sterilize pretty much everything. In the past people were often better off not cleaning the wound or digging out the bullet as that only ensured infection.

    17. Re:Okay. by locallyunscene · · Score: 3, Informative

      The main problem with a bullet wound is that it used to be a normal functioning part of the body and not a bullet wound...

    18. Re:Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Funny

    19. Re:Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been saying for years that the transition to the future started in 2005, and that it would be complete by 2015. So far I have not seen any reason to change that prediction.

      Why, just the other day it came to my attention that the Vocaloid Hatsune Miku now performs live, sold out concerts. When an animation program combined with a voice synthesis program is a pop star, it is definitely "the future".

    20. Re:Okay. by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Informative

      Right, and battery acid is really good at curing the common cold.

      I dunno where you're getting this info, but no, bullets certainly do not "sterilize" anything. One of the leading causes of death historically has been infection. We're better at dealing with it today, but infections still occur on a regular basis:

      "A gunshot is never sutured closed as the infection rate is very high. Bullets drag clothing into the wound and along the bullet track. Since clothing is of course not sterile, the wound is prone to infection if closed. Open wounds almost never get infected."
      http://www.tacticalmedicalpacks.com/files/Combat_Tactics_Trauma_article.pdf

      "We have presented a series of 120 consecutive operative cases of penetrating wounds of the abdomen-72 gunshot wounds and 48 stab wounds. The majority of patients were in the 18 to 40 age group. The infection rate was 22% for gunshot wounds and 4.8% for knife wounds."
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2609419/pdf/jnma00480-0069.pdf

    21. Re:Okay. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      This is now.

      I just want to know what happened to then.

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    22. Re:Okay. by budgenator · · Score: 1

      The material is a composite of proteins such as

      Spider silk is a remarkably strong material. Its tensile strength is comparable to that of high-grade steel (1500 MPa),[7][8] and about half as strong as aramid filaments, such as Twaron or Kevlar (3000 MPa).[9] Spider silk is about a fifth of the density of steel; a strand long enough to circle the Earth would weigh less than 500 grams (18 oz).[10] Spider silk

      and the same calcium carbonate crystals as the original concrete, so it's easily conceivable that the repair might be stronger than the intact concrete.

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    23. Re:Okay. by Reziac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only real problem I can see is in an environment like the SoCal desert, where the soil pH is extremely high, and also very high in calcium salts. Seems to me you'd have to do a test-run to make sure you didn't get a runaway effect in such soils, for applications where cracks in the concrete extend all the way through. Either that, or maybe precede the treatment with an acid wash. I'm sure some such control mechanism can be developed.

      (When we tested the soil on my place, the pH was so high that the tester thought her equipment was broken.)

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    24. Re:Okay. by mangu · · Score: 1

      Okay, so there are many parameters to consider, should we give up because of that?

    25. Re:Okay. by robot256 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Romans invented concrete.

      That's only 1600-2200 or so years ago.

      The Romans started using concrete before 200 B.C., but Wikipedia says the Egyptian pyramids were built with concrete long before that. So that makes its invention 2200-4600 years ago.

      IMO "several hundred" was correct.

      From your link: "being more than two but fewer than many". Considering civilization has only been around for ~60 centuries, "several" is arguably less than twenty. Try "many hundreds" next time you go for your pedantic medal. Thanks for playing.

    26. Re:Okay. by robot256 · · Score: 1

      Of course I failed at my own game. 4000 years is better described as "several thousand" than "many hundred" in any case. Gotung was right.

    27. Re:Okay. by Reziac · · Score: 2, Funny

      I dunno.. under that logic, I've seen a few folks for whom a bullet wound in the brain would be an upgrade....

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    28. Re:Okay. by icebike · · Score: 1

      Would you be happier if no one mentioned any of these "parameters"? Would that make successful development more likely? When questions are suppressed or not addressed during the early stages disasters inevitably happen.

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    29. Re:Okay. by TWX · · Score: 1

      Dark Helmet and Sandurz come across an image of themselves viewing the screen. As they react, the screen mimics what they are doing]
              Dark Helmet: What the hell am I looking at?! When does this happen in the movie?!
              Colonel Sandurz: "Now". You're looking at "now", sir. Everything that happens now [indicates himself and Helmet] is happening "now". [Indicates the screen]
              Dark Helmet: What happened to "then"?
              Colonel Sandurz: We passed "then".
              Dark Helmet: When!?
              Colonel Sandurz: Just now. Were at "now," now.
              Dark Helmet: Go back to "then"!
              Colonel Sandurz: When?
              Dark Helmet: Now!
              Colonel Sandurz: "Now?"
              Dark Helmet: Now!
              Colonel Sandurz: I can't.
              Dark Helmet: Why!?
              Colonel Sandurz: We missed it.
              Dark Helmet: When!?
              Colonel Sandurz: Just now.
              Dark Helmet: ... When will "then" be "now"?
              Colonel Sandurz: Soon.
              Dark Helmet: [backpedals in shock] How soon?
              [Corporal rewinds the tape back to scene showing protagonists wandering in desert.]
              Corporal: Sir!
              Dark Helmet: What?!
              Corporal: We have identified their location.
              Dark Helmet: Where?!
              Corporal: It's the moon of Vega!
              Colonel Sandurz: Good work, set a course and prepare for our arrival!
              Dark Helmet: [increasingly panicked] When?!
              Corporal: 1900 hours, sir!
              Colonel Sandurz: By high noon tomorrow, they will be our prisoners!
              Dark Helmet: Who?!! [mask falls down]

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    30. Re:Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... So he's going to secretly supply the people trying to shoot him with healing-coated bullets? I don't think you thought this through.

    31. Re:Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This is not generally true, bullets are quite hot and tend to sterilize pretty much everything.

      That is not generally true. You don't get infected from bacteria on the bullet itself, you get infected because you have an open, exposed wound.

      A related fallacy is "urine is sterile!". Even if we excuse (fairly common!) bladder infections and assume for the sake of discussion that it was sterile in your bladder, it sure as hell doesn't STAY sterile for long once it's out. Wash your hands. With soap.

    32. Re:Okay. by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      I think I would feel more comfortable with personally cloned human pudding in a bullet wound in my body than some foreign bacteria. mmm, human pudding...

    33. Re:Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Japan doesn't count, nor does what nonsense the public considers popular.

      2) Where are the flying cars?

      3) Where are the middle-class affordable personal jet packs / rocket boots?

      4) Where are the teleporters?

      50 Where are the robot wars?

      It's not the future. You've got five years. Make it happen.

    34. Re:Okay. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I mentioned in the past. They thought spitting in it or rubbing cow poop on it was cleaning it.

    35. Re:Okay. by moortak · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    36. Re:Okay. by cindyann · · Score: 1

      Thanks, you can keep your pedantic medal -- you earned it.

    37. Re:Okay. by Dekker3D · · Score: 1

      You may laugh, but I know we all have a few cracks that we definitely do NOT want plugged. I, for one, like having the ability to empty my bowels once in a while.

    38. Re:Okay. by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

      And I know a couple where it would be an upgrade for all of us around them....

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    39. Re:Okay. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The only real problem I can see is in an environment like the SoCal desert, where the soil pH is extremely high, and also very high in calcium salts. Seems to me you'd have to do a test-run to make sure you didn't get a runaway effect in such soils, for applications where cracks in the concrete extend all the way through.

      Yes, one has to be careful of the Ice-Nine effect. We wouldn't want the entire planet to be concrete, would we?

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    40. Re:Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is good enough to prevent crack propagation, and I doubt if any amount of bacteria would be able to seal a really wide crack. So I guess this tech is intended for fresh concrete rather than repair of existing structures.
      You can google "crack propagation in concrete" if you are really interested.

    41. Re:Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The infection rate was 22% for gunshot wounds and 4.8% for knife wounds.

      People really should do a better job of cleaning their guns.

    42. Re:Okay. by NemoinSpace · · Score: 1

      The infection rate was 22% for gunshot wounds and 4.8% for knife wounds."

      people really should keep their guns cleaner. - before someone gets hurt!

    43. Re:Okay. by shnull · · Score: 0

      sounds like a nice doughnut weapon to cull the expanding copper population

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    44. Re:Okay. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what are they trying to do? Get someone killed?

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    45. Re:Okay. by RapmasterT · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking more of an "honor among thieves" sort of thing. Obviously, even shot with a clotting/healing bullet, you're still shot and will be out of commission for quite a while. so it would be great for people you want to be shot, but don't particularly want to die.

      and to be honest, don't we all know people like that?

    46. Re:Okay. by anamin · · Score: 1

      It appears when was about 2:57PM on Wed, Nov 17th, but that is subjective to when the electrons arrived at their destination, in your frame of reference... oh wtf I quit.

  2. When does it stop? by Mishotaki · · Score: 4, Funny

    How is it gonna stop? when they run out of concrete to fill, when they overpopulate and eat all the concrete "cracks" or when they kill all humans and we can't record the moment it stops because there won't be any humans to observe it?

    1. Re:When does it stop? by countSudoku() · · Score: 4, Informative

      RTFA, it's not very long and explains just that fact you need; it does know when to stop.

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    2. Re:When does it stop? by eleuthero · · Score: 1
      FTA (in case countSudoku's post requires too much effort ;)):

      The BacillaFilla spores start germinating only when they make contact with concrete — triggered by the very specific pH of the material — and they have a built-in self-destruct gene that prevents them from proliferating away from the concrete target.

      I would like to buy some--the city is doing a <sarcasm> wonderful </sarcasm> job of taking care of the sidewalk in front of my house.

    3. Re:When does it stop? by shadowrat · · Score: 5, Funny

      "and they have a built-in self-destruct gene that prevents them from proliferating away from the concrete target."

      That never works in the movies. One cosmic ray and the gene is replaced by another one that says," invade humans and turn them into statues."

    4. Re:When does it stop? by RSKennan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent Awesome.

    5. Re:When does it stop? by khallow · · Score: 3, Funny

      invade humans and turn them into statues

      Living, moving statues with a ravenous, uncontrollable hunger for the brains of the unpetrified. Prepare yourself for 90 minutes of bad stoner jokes.

    6. Re:When does it stop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, apparently they've already thought of everything that could ever go wrong. Its totally safe! Besides, if it ever did expand, we can just bring in some concrete and bacteria munching snails to take care of the problem.

    7. Re:When does it stop? by ross.w · · Score: 3, Funny

      They'll only be statues when you're looking at them.

      Don't blink.

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    8. Re:When does it stop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      One would think that that this non-beneficial feature would be evolved out of the bacteria. Kind of hard to survive as the fittest if you kill yourself off.

    9. Re:When does it stop? by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      Yay Dr. Who / Petrified reference!

    10. Re:When does it stop? by lennier · · Score: 2, Funny

      One cosmic ray and the gene is replaced by another one that says," invade humans and turn them into statues."

      Don't blink. Don't even blink.

      Blink and you're dead.

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    11. Re:When does it stop? by mangu · · Score: 1

      One cosmic ray and the gene is replaced by another one that says," invade humans and turn them into statues

      Ssshhh, don't give people ideas. Remember, this is Slashdot

    12. Re:When does it stop? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "invade humans and turn them into statues"

      Ah, the Natalie Portman syndrome!

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    13. Re:When does it stop? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Don't blink. Don't even blink.
      Blink and you're dead.

      That reminds me of SCP-173.

      (It is actually a Dr. Who reference.)

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    14. Re:When does it stop? by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Damn she's gorgeous! I would have given anything to have seen that "live".

  3. Makes me think of Battlestar Galactica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously... Season 4 Did Adama ok this?

    1. Re:Makes me think of Battlestar Galactica by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes he did.

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  4. How do they know where 'the bottom' is? by synthesizerpatel · · Score: 1

    Is the nanobot 'grey goo' earth going to be usurped by the bacteria concrete earth?

    1. Re:How do they know where 'the bottom' is? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, since grey goo is such an abstract concept, they thought they would rather use something more concrete ...

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    2. Re:How do they know where 'the bottom' is? by falldeaf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think that whole nanobot grey goo problem is way overhyped. Biological organisms are much more advanced than our technology and they haven't been able to turn all matter into copies of themselves yet, despite their best efforts.

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    3. Re:How do they know where 'the bottom' is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't this more like a 'grey glue' scenario?

    4. Re:How do they know where 'the bottom' is? by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Absolute worst case scenario is a grey goo outbreak being treated basically like a fire (which, when you think about it is the ultimate grey goo machine). There's a limit to how much energy is available for replication, and there's a limit on how efficient you can make your replication (at some level, the replicating nanobots will be literally tearing apart and putting back together materials). Fighting the grey goo only involves tearing about the replicators, not necessarily wasting energy putting the pieces back together into something useful.

      In other words, it should be trivial to design a nanobot that tears apart the self-replicators but doesn't waste energy by making copies of itself. This nanobot would be manufactured a head of time and stored for future use, or manufactured in specialist facilities (even in a mobile truck if necessary) that provide the energy input necessary for their production. As long as your facilities have more energy available than the self-replicators do, you'll win out eventually. And the replicators will only have about as much energy available as a fire can produce.

    5. Re:How do they know where 'the bottom' is? by SoupGuru · · Score: 2

      We are the gray goo.

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    6. Re:How do they know where 'the bottom' is? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      We are the ultimate grey goo...

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  5. Awesome! by RoyalTee · · Score: 1

    Using bacteria to fix concrete? Now that's thinking outside the box. This will be a great money saver for any size city by not having to replace whole slabs of concrete. My only concern is... isn't it just like slapping some duct tape on there? Either way, I have a feeling this will become huge in the near future.

    1. Re:Awesome! by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      Using bacteria to fix concrete?

      Seems the homeless people in my town have had the right general concept all along ... they just haven't been getting the details right.

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  6. Gigacrete looks better by digitaldc · · Score: 1, Informative

    Gigacrete looks like a better material for building in my opinion. I'll just have bacteria in my yogurt for now.
    -Several GigaCrete products can be made with recycled waste material such as bottom ash, fly ash, sludge, or dredged materials. And, these waste material fillers can comprise up to 80% (by volume) of GigaCrete products. Usage of such waste materials reduces the amount of these byproducts going to landfills or other waste storage sites.
    - Less carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are produced from the manufacture of the GigaCrete cement binder than compared to the manufacture of Portland cement.
    - Energy savings can be achieved with the GigaCrete PanelSystem due to the high thermal efficiency and insulating value of the panel material. According to the “Structural Insulated Panel Association in Partnership with Oakridge National Labs,” structural paneled homes can achieve energy savings of up to 70%.
    - The GigaCrete cement binder is 100% nontoxic.
    - GigaCrete products use approximately two-thirds less water than conventional Portland-based cement products.
    - High resistance to mold, mildew, insects, and vermin facilitates cleaner living environments.

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    1. Re:Gigacrete looks better by Skidborg · · Score: 3, Informative

      You do realize that most waste products that can be used as you mentioned contain toxins themselves? Bottom ash and fly ash from coal plants is comparable to nuclear waste.

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    2. Re:Gigacrete looks better by Lawbeefaroni · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gigacrete looks like a better material for building in my opinion. I'll just have bacteria in my yogurt for now.

      Nice GigaCrete advert but the bacteria isn't presented as a replacement for concrete or GigaCrete. It's presented as a mechanism to repair existing concrete.

      Or are you advocating we raze all existing concrete buildings and tear up all sidewalks?

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    3. Re:Gigacrete looks better by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      It SAYS it is 100% non-toxic so I don't really know...but what if it does work better?

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    4. Re:Gigacrete looks better by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      No, just move on to something more eco-friendly and better.

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    5. Re:Gigacrete looks better by Vegeta99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They said the binder was 100% non-toxic. which is only a small percentage of the product (as filler is the rest, up to 80%).

      To see another example of "green" being a fib, look up AggRite construction/pavement aggregate.

    6. Re:Gigacrete looks better by sexconker · · Score: 0

      Gigacrete looks like a better material for building in my opinion. I'll just have bacteria in my yogurt for now.

      -Several GigaCrete products can be made with recycled waste material such as bottom ash, fly ash, sludge, or dredged materials. And, these waste material fillers can comprise up to 80% (by volume) of GigaCrete products. Usage of such waste materials reduces the amount of these byproducts going to landfills or other waste storage sites.

      - Less carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are produced from the manufacture of the GigaCrete cement binder than compared to the manufacture of Portland cement.

      - Energy savings can be achieved with the GigaCrete PanelSystem due to the high thermal efficiency and insulating value of the panel material. According to the “Structural Insulated Panel Association in Partnership with Oakridge National Labs,” structural paneled homes can achieve energy savings of up to 70%.

      - The GigaCrete cement binder is 100% nontoxic.

      - GigaCrete products use approximately two-thirds less water than conventional Portland-based cement products.

      - High resistance to mold, mildew, insects, and vermin facilitates cleaner living environments.

      All those eco-friendly bullet points, and no mention of the four things that matter: Strength, weight, longevity, and cost.

    7. Re:Gigacrete looks better by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Informative

      So basically, it had nothing at all do with the topic hand and your comparison "I'll just have bacteria in my yogurt for now" was completely meaningless since no one has suggested building new things with it since that wouldn't work anyway.

    8. Re:Gigacrete looks better by jeff4747 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Beware the press releases. You'll note that nowhere does the article discuss the strength of Gigacrete. They put up a few random things, but nothing like how much PSI it can withstand. And according to their web site, "GigaCrete manufactures some of the most innovative, functional, high-performance interior finishes on the market". Interior finish != replacement for concrete. Concrete is used as a structural material. It holds up thousands of tons of stuff. GigaCrete is an alternative to plaster. It looks pretty smeared on a wall...that's made of concrete.

    9. Re:Gigacrete looks better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the fact that some conscience-free sociopaths use "Green" to describe a product they know isn't, doesn't make "Green" a fib in and of itself. Please read up on logical fallacies.

    10. Re:Gigacrete looks better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Picking nits and getting offtopic, but he was giving another example where green was in fact a fib. Does that look like the implication that green is a fib in and of itself? Doesn't to me.

    11. Re:Gigacrete looks better by deapbluesea · · Score: 1

      So the premise is that it's greener. They start by complaining about all that gravel that has to be excavated and transported, and that it can't be recycled (uh, it's gravel). Then moves on to this gem:

      [Gigacrete has a] "proprietary non-toxic binder" made from "a different cementitious binder consisting of commonly found nontoxic elements available from many locations throughout the world."

      Which, oddly enough, can be said of gravel (except for the 'different' part).

      Of course, I'm mixing my fillers and my binders, but I'm pretty sure that the fillers used in the example also have to be "transported" in order to "house a couple people", and it doesn't matter if it's recyclable or not, because in both cases it is meant to last 50+ years, and in both cases, you'd have to break out the filler in some way to recycle it (aka use all that polluting energy), so the net gain appears to be......

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    12. Re:Gigacrete looks better by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I had the same thought... wouldn't bottom ash be essentially "distillate of everything toxic left behind by the burn process"...??

      As to the other fillers... what makes concrete strong isn't just the binder, it's also (perhaps mostly) the character of the filler. Organics decompose over time. Now what.. you've got binder and decomposition products, but no filler. Explain to me how that retains its structural strength and integrity? Not only that, but with varied fillers, how do you achieve predictable structural strength?

      As to the case you cite, how about this:
      http://caselaw.findlaw.com/pa-superior-court/1175891.html

      Reusing waste products is great, but let's not kid ourselves that they're suitable substitutes for everything else.

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    13. Re:Gigacrete looks better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually they clearly label their products as finishes...

      Their main product is PlasterMAX... I mean come on.

    14. Re:Gigacrete looks better by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      That's where I got the AggRite reference from. =) I'm a first-year law student, and I'm from Pennsylvania.

    15. Re:Gigacrete looks better by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Well then! See what an excellent job you did of making me look up the reference! :)

      No doubt we'll see more of this in the future, as more 'green' companies increasingly get subsidized into business and put forth similarly questionable products.

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  7. I, for one, welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    our new concrete secreting overlords.

  8. As seen on BSG ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adama was madly painting this stuff on before he hit the booze and destroyed his model ship again.

  9. Call in sick by boristdog · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't come in today, my street has a bad cold.

    1. Re:Call in sick by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know, it looks very congested.

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  10. Pray that they don't hit our blood by cornicefire · · Score: 1

    They'll make the arteriosclerosis from cholesterol look like a sneeze.

  11. Read teh article. by mattdm · · Score: 2, Informative

    The spores germinate only in very alkaline environments — concrete has a quite high pH. The article is vague on details, but notes that "[the bacteria] have a built-in self-destruct gene that prevents them from proliferating away from the concrete target."

    Now, What Could Possibly Go Wrong and all of that, but the bases are nominally covered.

    1. Re:Read teh article. by BrotherBeal · · Score: 3, Funny

      The spores germinate only in very alkaline environments... ...but the bases are nominally covered.

      I see what you did there.

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    2. Re:Read teh article. by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      And the acids, I guess?

      Rgds

      Damon

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    3. Re:Read teh article. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The spores germinate only in very alkaline environments...

      So what's the limit? The well at my NV place has a pH of eight and the water at my townhouse a pH of nine. Will the city's water system and/or my residential well be plugged with bacterial pseudo-cement, strong as the real stuff? (Note that the well casing has a cement wall - just ideal for them to treat the boundary between it and the dirt as a crack and follow it down.)

      Lots of alkaline soil out there (like around my townhouse). Before adding soil amendments it was mostly clay - hard but still workable with a tiller. Will these bugs turn it to concrete requiring a jackhammer?

      I could go on...

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    4. Re:Read teh article. by adonoman · · Score: 1

      Concrete usually has a pH in the range of 12 - roughly that of drain cleaner. If you're safe gardening without protective gloves, your soil is less alkaline than concrete.

    5. Re:Read teh article. by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Concrete can have a pH as high as 14 or so... Decent gap between that and rain water.

  12. Lungs by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

    And the bacteria knows the difference between concrete and lung tissue how?

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    1. Re:Lungs by mattdm · · Score: 3, Informative

      What's the acidity of your lungs? Oh, I see. You didn't read the article. Carry on, then.

    2. Re:Lungs by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      The bacteria they made in the lab likes the acidity of concrete. What about the mutant bacteria that the bacteria in the crack makes?

    3. Re:Lungs by mattdm · · Score: 2, Informative

      The bacteria they made in the lab likes the acidity of concrete. What about the mutant bacteria that the bacteria in the crack makes?

      It won't survive because it's still in the very alkaline concrete environment? Or as Morbo might put it: EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

    4. Re:Lungs by Professr3 · · Score: 1

      pH

    5. Re:Lungs by shadow_slicer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Usually when you say that the bacteria 'likes' acidity it means that at least one of the proteins it depends on requires the acidity to function. If there are several proteins that are essential for the bacteria to live, the probability that all of the required mutations would occur becomes reasonably small. Additionally, even if the bacteria are able to mutate in such a way to live outside the concrete, they would be poorly adapted to that environment, and would most likely become food for something else. That's not even considering the likelihood that the food source the bacteria uses in its concrete environment may not be available elsewhere.

      tl;dr:
      The amount of change necessary to go from a bacteria that thrives in concrete to a bacteria that thrives in the lungs is large enough (under the expected conditions) to be considered insurmountable.

    6. Re:Lungs by kenp2002 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So the assumption, as I read it, is the environment in which the bacteria is deployed is assumed to have a consistent pH level to help it identify that it is in fact, concrete. However anything that also has that pH could potentially be a hospitiable environment.

      Question: How are they planning on accounting for a non-lab environment where everything from moisture, temperature, hell even lighting apparently, can influence the pH of the target location? Based on respitory infection the pH in a lung is hardly consistent in that scenario and as many have jested, the side walk could have a cold. The point is if they are pinning the identification based on the pH I fail to see this as viable in uses outside of a controlled lab. Bridge work going on in Nov with snow and sleet I fail to see a consistent pH for this to work on any credible level. Just more theortical lab work that will get a bit of grant money and that is about it. With construction workers dealing with a lot of concrete dust during repairs the pH is one hurdle for the bacteria. As for phsyical contaminates, respitory contaminates could be lunch for this stuff. I doubt there is a lethal risk, but having to throw someone on sick leave because they have a mild infection of this stuff is more economic risk then anything. pH to me seems a tad bit flaky as a marker for concrete. Even from what the article mentions, it requires too much of a controleld environment to be usseful. The number of things that could have similar pH seems rather high, the non-concrete contaminates... potential predators\competitors... It might work great in a lab... but in the real world? I'm doubtful.

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    7. Re:Lungs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well how about those of us with lungs made of concrete, you insensitive clod.

    8. Re:Lungs by reverseengineer · · Score: 3, Informative
      It turns out that the press release is not really accurate with regard to the effect pH has on this engineered bacterium. The starting bacterium, Bacillus subtilis 168 naturally prefers a neutral pH, but by growing generations of this bacteria in media with gradually increased pH, it can be acclimated to thrive at the pH of concrete (roughly 10). This requires no engineered genetic modification. The steps to control the spread of this bacterium have little to do with pH, actually. First, the bacterium comes from a strain of Bacillus subtilis which has been produced as the result of decades of laboratory cultures, and is a mutant which depends on many key nutrients to be present in its enviroment to survive. In the wild, it would be a massively deficient competitor to wild Bacillus subtilis, which is extremely common in nature.

      Also, the concrete repair activity is produced by upregulation of genes natural to Bacillus subtilis, not by anything transgenic. The upregulation of these genes presents an energy cost to the engineered bacterium while providing no benefit- if these bacteria mutate, it is more likely to be towards the wild phenotype. In addition, the team responsible has added a kill switch which tells the bacteria to commit suicide if sucrose is not present.

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    9. Re:Lungs by Phillip2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One has an immune system, and the other looks like concrete.

    10. Re:Lungs by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      In addition, the team responsible has added a kill switch [igem.org] which tells the bacteria to commit suicide if sucrose is not present.

      I see, so when it escapes it's concrete prison, it'll infect and petrify only fatties like me who eat sweets, and the skinny hipsters who only drink cane-sugar sweetened soda?

      And in exchange, get a really cool set of statuary?

      Suh-weet.

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    11. Re:Lungs by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I dunno... I guess it depends if your tastes in statuary run to, oh, say the likes of this:

      http://www.blogcdn.com/www.gadling.com/media/2008/05/david.jpg

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    12. Re:Lungs by budgenator · · Score: 1

      And the bacteria knows the difference between concrete and lung tissue how?

      Well

      Bacillus subtilis, known also as the hay bacillus or grass bacillus, is a Gram-positive, catalase-positive bacterium commonly found in soil.[3] ... B. subtilis is not a human pathogen. It may contaminate food but rarely causes food poisoning.[5] B. subtilis produces the proteolytic enzyme subtilisin. B. subtilis spores can survive the extreme heat during cooking. B. subtilis is responsible for causing ropiness — a sticky, stringy consistency caused by bacterial production of long-chain polysaccharides — in spoiled bread dough. Bacillus subtilis

      it doesn't, but that is not a problem.

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    13. Re:Lungs by ebuck · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing that no two items have the same pH. It's like a fingerprint! Hahahaha!!!

    14. Re:Lungs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a job working with that stuff, you might want to take measures to prevent YOUR crack from becoming delicious for these little fellas. One solution would be a steady diet of hot peppers and Blatz beer?

  13. I foresee a world... by dbc · · Score: 1

    ... where bacteria-laden cast concrete garden gnomes evolve intelligence.

    And it's not a pretty sight.

  14. Cylon Tech by Chaymus · · Score: 1

    I won't have this cylon goop in my ship^H^H^H^H concrete!

  15. What could possibly go wrong? by optikos · · Score: 1

    Bacteria burrows into bone, squeezing bone marrow into an ever-tinier passageway, for a new disease mimicking leukemia or aplastic anemia. Bacteria burrows into joints, for a new cause of arthritis and bone spurs. I hope that the genetic engineers built a foolproof off-switch into this one, or perhaps this bacteria commits suicide in the absence of rebar.

    1. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      you forgot bacteria gives host mutant healing factor and near indestructibility. and it's in a BAD GUY!

    2. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      If only there was a little underlined bit of text in TFS that brings you to a short, one-page article. You could read it, and could even look like you know what you're talking about!

    3. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by optikos · · Score: 1

      Selecting on a pH range is not a foolproof kill-switch. Many things in this world have the same pH. Plus, how wide of a pH range does this species select on? Do calcium deposits in bone fall into the same pH range as the bacteria's selectivity? If not, then by how much do the pH ranges differ? How much is the bacteria's pH-range selectivity susceptible to drifting into other pH ranges over tens of thousands or millions of generations of evolution in coming years and decades? pH-range selectivity is not sufficient for impeccable safety.

    4. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by jeff4747 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Selecting on a pH range is not a foolproof kill-switch

      That depends. How many highly alkali environments are there in nature? (Answer: Very few)

      Do calcium deposits in bone fall into the same pH range as the bacteria's selectivity?

      Solids do not have pH. You can't have a pH without a solvent. The alkali environment present in concrete does not exist within humans...or any animal or plant I'm aware of.

      How much is the bacteria's pH-range selectivity susceptible to drifting into other pH ranges over tens of thousands or millions of generations of evolution in coming years and decades?

      Evolution doesn't work that way. There has to be selection pressure. Bacteria that live in concrete but thrive in a lower pH would be selected against - the "thrive in high pH" would outcompete them.

      pH-range selectivity is not sufficient for impeccable safety.

      You can't make this assessment without knowing the pH of the pH range of the bacteria, the pH range of the concrete, and knowing how common that pH range is in nature.

    5. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by optikos · · Score: 1

      Evolution doesn't work that way. There has to be selection pressure. Bacteria that live in concrete but thrive in a lower pH would be selected against - the "thrive in high pH" would outcompete them.

      I am glad that you live in Fictionland A) where all concrete ever made worldwide has precisely the same pH and B) where not a single one of these bacteria will ever leave human-made concrete to go live in ever-so-slightly-different natural limestone of various purities & imperfect compositions (hence widely different pHs, varying from concrete by small increments and varying from each other by additional small increments, creating a progression of different niches to select the fittest variety of bacteria for each niche pH over a wide spectrum of pHs).

      Meanwhile, the rest of us live in the real world where your allegedly-impenetrable barriers are quite porous and where opportunity for evolution to fill a spectrum of differing-pH niches actually does exist.

    6. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      A) where all concrete ever made worldwide has precisely the same pH

      Concrete is created via a chemical reaction (well, technically the cement in the concrete). So no, you can't make concrete with a low pH. It doesn't work.

      where not a single one of these bacteria will ever leave human-made concrete to go live in ever-so-slightly-different natural limestone of various purities & imperfect compositions

      Limestone can't raise the pH of water anywhere close to the pH used in cement. When you make cement you start with limestone and add lye.

      Meanwhile, the rest of us live in the real world where your allegedly-impenetrable barriers are quite porous and where opportunity for evolution to fill a spectrum of differing-pH niches actually does exist.

      I'd recommend finding out what the pH of typical concrete is before claiming you are addressing real-world concerns.

      Heck, I'll save you the Google search. It's typically pH 13-15...roughly where you'll find drain cleaner. There's some "low pH" blends now available that get you down to roughly pH 11. You're still a looooong way above what you'll find outside an extremely basic hot spring (the vast majority of which are acidic).

  16. Interesting by JIKilo · · Score: 1

    This article is very interesting, but at the same time I have my concerns. For instance, how do you make the bacteria stop and what if the bacteria enters the ground creating unnatural erosion or other environmental problems. Also, how is the bacteria purchased? I mean who ever discovered this will make some money! It is important to know these answers because everything in life has a cause and effect. Overall though, it is a sweet method to fix the cracks in concrete.

    1. Re:Interesting by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      For instance, how do you make the bacteria stop

      Well, if you read TFA, its apparent that the bacteria need a strong alkali environment, such as in concrete. Strong alkali environments are rare in nature.

      what if the bacteria enters the ground creating unnatural erosion

      Ok, we're not even going to consider this little bit of fantasy until you come up with a remotely plausible way that this could happen.

      Also, how is the bacteria purchased?

      In little test tubes from the people who invented it.

      I mean who ever discovered this will make some money!

      That would be the idea, yes.

    2. Re:Interesting by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This article is very interesting

      How would you know? You didn't even read the damn thing, as is apparent from your questions, some of which are addressed in the damn article in the first place.

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    3. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he did read it but he just "didn't inhale"?

      Or he found it disagreeable and so spat it out immediately...

  17. Mistaken article summary by Saishuuheiki · · Score: 1

    Article summary states how it works incorrectly, which confused me.

    "When the cells have been germinated, they burrow deep into the concrete until they reach the bottom."

    should be

    "When the cells have been germinated, they burrow deep into the concrete CRACKS until they reach the bottom"

    Made me think at first it's going through the solid concrete which didn't sound like a good idea.

    1. Re:Mistaken article summary by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Made me think at first it's going through the solid concrete which didn't sound like a good idea.

      I'm not sure why it's a bad idea to strengthen the concrete where it isn't damaged, but I guess if your design depends on a certain amount of flex it could cause you problems.

      I visited this story wondering if this could be tailored to improve concrete which was of generally poor quality because the mix was poor, which is burrowing through almost-solid concrete...

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    2. Re:Mistaken article summary by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Bone actually works like that, the osteoclasts eat the bone and their direction is controlled by electrical stimulation generated by stresses in the bone, which is followed by osteoblasts which build up the bone. This results in the bone being strongest in the direction that is most likely to be stressed.

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  18. There's a fourth type. by blair1q · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Made you look.

  19. Obligatory overlord joke by unity100 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Que all variations in this thread for the sake of tidiness in 3, 2, 1 ...

    1. Re:Obligatory overlord joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're Underlords you insensitive clod!

  20. "decommoditization" of concrete? by rsborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    React to the specific PH of the concrete? If only all concrete were the same. Its been in use for several hundred years, and the formula has been constantly evolving.

    Remember Monsanto and "roundup ready" seeds? Now imagine a "bio-healing ready" concrete... concrete that is differentiated by a specific compound formula which is standardized for a specific bacteria (of course several grades of the product combo will exist for both quality and usage differences ... which also allow for market segmentation)

    All it will take is some enterprising megacorp with the legal muscle to patent this combo (and defend the patents) and you can effectively raised margin on concrete 10x at least.

    Anything can be de-commoditized if it provides unique value and a big enough megacorp.

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    1. Re:"decommoditization" of concrete? by khallow · · Score: 1, Interesting

      All it will take is some enterprising megacorp with the legal muscle to patent this combo (and defend the patents) and you can effectively raised margin on concrete 10x at least.

      Depends on whether they can get it into building codes or not. If they can't, then the concrete would comparable in cost (else you're not going to get it into the building).

    2. Re:"decommoditization" of concrete? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      All it will take is some enterprising megacorp with the legal muscle to patent this combo (and defend the patents) and you can effectively raised margin on concrete 10x at least.

      Why would someone pay 10x the markup on concrete when properly done concrete lasts a decade, and when it needs repair it's usually not due to 'cracking' but structural problems (roots, water, bulging soil, etc.) that won't be fixed with something like this?

      (assuming it's $1 profit a 50lb bag, people aren't going to start paying 3x current prices for cement. I don't care how good it is, people won't do it due to the time until return.)

      It may have application, but in a very limited use (dams, bridges, and that sort of thing? you'd have to make it water-resistant) where repair/replacement is impossible.

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    3. Re:"decommoditization" of concrete? by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

      I feel bad for anyone who's concrete lasts only a decade. Some of mine came with my house and is 26 years old, still no cracks. And with power-washing once a year or so, still looks pretty new.

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    4. Re:"decommoditization" of concrete? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I meant century; there's plenty of 50+ year old cement in good/serviceable condition, even in places with high moisture/water/etc.

      Things like sidewalks and cement subject to frequent salt, on the other hand, are another story (particularly if there's salt). Just the same, I've got several pads of cement in my back yard put in over a period of 10 years or so by previous owners. They've got the names and handprints of the owners' children, and were done 50-odd years ago. It's all still quite legible.

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    5. Re:"decommoditization" of concrete? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Nice road system you got there... would be shame if anything happened to it.

  21. It may be an unintended use... by bytethese · · Score: 1

    ...but does it work on plumbers too?

  22. Prior Art! by formfeed · · Score: 1

    Just had a look into my fridge.

  23. More Info From iGEM by reverseengineer · · Score: 4, Informative

    This engineered bacterium system was entered into the International Genetically Engineered Machine competition, so there's a lot more information about this project at the team's project page. In particular, there's a more thorough description of the kill switch the team engineered to prevent the spread of this bacterium beyond the target environment, the underlying mechanism being that sucrose must be available in the environment to prevent the bacterium from producing a toxin which kills itself.

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    1. Re:More Info From iGEM by davidc · · Score: 1

      Sucrose?

      Oh I see! This is nothing more than a system to convert fast food into concrete. Repair the sidewalk and cure the obesity epidemic in one fell swoop.

    2. Re:More Info From iGEM by Stupid+McStupidson · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Mommy, I spilled my shake all over the sidewalAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHGGHGHGHG"

    3. Re:More Info From iGEM by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Ah, thanks, that answers my question above -- the soil where I live is so alkaline that it's comparable to concrete. I was wondering how you'd avoid a runaway in that situation, but adding the sucrose-based nutrient-limiter routine seems to solve it well enough -- alkaline soils typically are pretty much nutrient-free.

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  24. Yeah, this worked great on BSG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They tried to fix the Galactica with biological glue too, and all that accomplished was the ship waking up and taking control.

  25. BSG by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Was this not what the sylons did in BSG where the hull of the ship was breached so they used some bacterial goo to strengthen the ship

  26. Why use bacteria? Just insert glue directly! by kkleiner · · Score: 1

    Why do you need bacteria to make glue in the cracks when you can simply insert glue directly into the crack without bacteria? What am I missing?

    1. Re:Why use bacteria? Just insert glue directly! by mibe · · Score: 1

      Because then you don't have to make glue, and making bacteria is easier than making glue (by "make" I mean "create successive generations of an existing strain" rather than "engineer from scratch") and maybe less toxic.

    2. Re:Why use bacteria? Just insert glue directly! by Reziac · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you've ever tried to pump glue into a crack in concrete, you'll quickly figure that out. It's somewhere between messy and inadequate as a repair method, and certainly doesn't get into the smaller cracks, let alone the microcracks. The idea here is to have the glue self-extend, filling the air pockets and microcracks that no glue with sufficient surface tension to stick could ever manage.

      However I think where this will become a more useful technique is for fixing the kinds of surface cracks that ail structures exposed to repeated wet/freeze/thaw cycles -- the typical winter climate for the east slope of the Rocky Mountains. Mount Rushmore would seem to be a good candidate, since seasonal surface cracking is what's causing damage.

      Concrete roads that suffer similar winter freeze/thaw damage could also benefit -- instead of trying to patch the road one crack at a time (usually an exercise in futility, culminating in yawning potholes), or having to dig up and replace the concrete (an extremely expensive job), just wash it with a slurry of this bacteria. That could even eliminate most of the seasonal damage, by filling the microcracks that are where freeze damage starts.

      Imagine if your state and local highway departments could reduce their budgets by simply needing to do less repair on concrete-based roads. Even if you don't believe in reducing taxes when need is reduced, it would free up that budget to use elsewhere.

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  27. This was predicted a long time ago! by retech · · Score: 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8gSTiWKm6A

    This can only go terribly wrong.

  28. would you like grits with that? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    as long as it stars Natalie Portman, I'm cool with that...

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  29. Calcium Carbonate? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

    I suspect the Brits are also working on having this technology used as non-conductive fillings.

  30. Really, WCGW ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an added bonus, all those unsightly loiterers and people that just sit about on curbs doing nothing - and just maybe all those folk that walk really slow (getting in the way of skates, bicycles and segways) - will be incorporated into artistic-looking concrete ornaments. Just remember not to sleep on the sidewalk, then.

    I'm sure everything will be ok with all those little creepy-crawlers and creatures that live on roads or near them, Or under them. Right ? And those that eat them ? These bacteria can't survive in streams and rivers and in the sea, can they ? Specially if they find an oilspill? Uh-oh! Does take care of the parking-space problem for coastal towns, though. Undoubtedly.

    Anyway, I'm those good folk on Andromeda Rd., Crichtonville, will be as comfy as ever.

  31. Concrete from thin air? by angiasaa · · Score: 1

    All this crack-filling info is great, but where does all the crack-filling goo come from?
    Where does the bacterium procure its nutrition from?

    It's a great concept and probably incredibly useful. But what good is news if it leaves out the important bits?
    Does anyone know where the bacterium pulls something out of nothing from?

    TFA certainly avoids giving out any details about what the bacteria requires and what byproducts (aside from the gap-goo) they produce.

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    1. Re:Concrete from thin air? by reverseengineer · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are three principal parts to the filler produced by these bacteria. First, the bacterium naturally produces calcium carbonate as a byproduct of breaking down urea as a nitrogen source; this activity has been greatly increased in the engineered bacterium. The second part is a "glue" made from levan, a polysaccharide that the bacterium is able to produce from sucrose; this activity is also natural, but highly upregulated in the engineered bacterium. The final part is the bacterial cells themselves; the cells are made long and threadlike by expressing a protein that halts cell division, and these filamentous cells act as reinforcing fibers. In practical usage, a solution of nutrients (including sucrose in particular) would need to be sprayed along with the bacterial spores in order for them to display this concrete-filling activity. This information comes from here.

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    2. Re:Concrete from thin air? by angiasaa · · Score: 1

      That's what I'm talking about, Great reportage!

      Thanks a ton for the info and the link, looks like an interesting read. :)

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  32. Shades of BSG by Dputiger · · Score: 1

    This sounds like the real-world version of the technology the Cylons attempted to employ to repair Galactica. Cover the hull in goo, wait for it to bond, and all is well.

  33. Re:Okay. Obligatory Battlestar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will not have Cyborg technology on my ship!!!

  34. Questionable by ATestR · · Score: 1

    I've got no problem with using a method like this to patch concrete used for sidewalks, roads, etc. But (as an Engineer) I would have a strong reluctance to applying it to any significant structure (e.g.: Bridges, Buildings, etc.). Yes, it may fill the cracks. But what are the structural characteristics in compression, sheer, and to a lesser extent, tension? What is the bond strength with the adjacent intact concrete, as well as the reinforcing steel. How will the resultant material act over time? Concrete has been used since the Romans. I'd like at least a few years of testing to establish a track record before I'd approve it on a project I was running.

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  35. Another problem is quacks. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Informative

    The problem, with bullet wound is...[dirt].

    Another problem with bullet wounds is emergency room doctors who believe the myth of "hydrostatic shock" damage and chop out a core of tissue around the bullet's path (as if it were a linear cancer), rather than treating it properly by cleaning and closing the wound (as if it were any other puncture-and-displacement trauma).

    Yo, Docs! Even if the bullet somehow WAS traveling faster than the speed of sound in flesh (like about mach 4.4) shock waves aren't any big deal for soft tissue. Think Lithotripter.

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    1. Re:Another problem is quacks. by Reziac · · Score: 4, Funny

      Okay, we've fixed the holes in the concrete, and made holes in people. Seems to me the logical next step is to fill the holes in the people with concrete.

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    2. Re:Another problem is quacks. by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

      Sometimes the people with the bullet holes end up underneath the concrete.

      If you catch my meaning....

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    3. Re:Another problem is quacks. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I think that falls under that substandard organic filler we were discussing in another thread. ;)

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    4. Re:Another problem is quacks. by Geminii · · Score: 1

      We tried that on prison volunteers. They became hardened criminals.

    5. Re:Another problem is quacks. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      But now they can become the building blocks of society! ;)

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  36. Another problem is quacks. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The problem, with bullet wound is... they are not always clean...

    Another problem is emergency room doctors who believe the myth of "hydrostatic shock" damage and chop out a core of tissue around the bullet's path (like a linear cancer) rather than treating it properly by cleaning and closing it (like a puncture-with-displacement wound).

    Yo, Docs! Even if the bullet WERE somehow traveling faster than the speed of sound in tissue (about mach 4.4), shock waves in tissue aren't any big deal! Think "Lithotripter".

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  37. Jurasic park methodology? by mjwx · · Score: 1

    the team engineered to prevent the spread of this bacterium beyond the target environment, the underlying mechanism being that sucrose must be available in the environment to prevent the bacterium from producing a toxin which kills itself.

    So, if the bacteria doesn't get sucrose from us they'll just slip into a coma and die right?

    Right?

    Because this has never gone wrong.

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  38. The new asbestos by Joebert · · Score: 1

    I don't like the idea of a biological entity that produces calcium carbonate. This stuff has cancer lawsuits 10-20 years from now written all over it.

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  39. I refuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will not use cylon technology!

  40. Germinate? Spores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is this a bacteria or a fungus?

  41. I was hoping by ben2umbc · · Score: 1

    I thought maybe I misread the title of this post. I was hoping to get my fix of crack cocaine from the bacteria. I guess that discovery will have to wait.