matters like these. with their paranoid attention to detail, psychopathic inclination to procedure, and ungodly patience with working on intricate technical details, any word from germans in that area would trample any word from britain at any point for me.
the fact that u.k. government has been shitting and screwing up in every other field for the last 10 years does not help either.
Disney has balance sheets and accounting books and X number of employees to show what IT'S doing with the IP. What do you have? Other than "but but but feudal system!?"
feudal lords had balance sheets, accounting books, X number of employees, chancellors, stewards, inspectors, taskmasters, sergeant at arms and innumerable other types of offices under them, working for them. even the smaller nobles, 'landholders', or with the term in early middle ages, 'freeholders'.
yea, i say 'but but but but feudal'. because it IS feudal. however, you are quite ignorant on that matter, seeing as how you can show having accounting books and balance sheets as being something differentiating the modern feudal estates from middle age ones.
actually it is worse today. back in feudal times, the lord, estate owner, had an obligation to feed the peasants, who were tied as serfs to his/her estate. it was a double sided oath, a social responsibility. today, the estate owner is even free from that obligation, while retaining all the privileges of being an aristocrat.
and there are people like you too, justifying the system of inequality through various excuses so that you can accept the reality you are living in, and cope up with it.
its distortion of justice, abuse of law, and exploitation of democracy.
private interests are suppressing individual citizens to protect their near monopoly gained profits through legal system. in addition to that, they buy lawmakers and manufacture laws that will protect ill gained profits in expense of freedoms of citizens, as in the acta case.
yet still, a lot of you just label this with a simple, insufficient word, 'greed'. this is not greed. its beyond greed. it has started to become a precise replication of feudal society back in middle ages, albeit, the feudalism has democracy as a storefront. we are supposedly free, yet, as citizens, our relative wealth and liberties compared to those small minority percentage on top of the pyramid didnt change by comparison. neither did the percentages of the wealthy and the ordinary had changed. just, the average standard of living globally has changed. back in middle ages wealthy could afford stone mansions adorned with gold while eating exquisite food whereas the ordinary person would live in thatched roof wooden huts eating gritty bread and cheese, now the wealthy can afford to take private jets halfway over the world on a whim while having hundred thousand dollar champagnes whereas the ordinary person has to work his/her butt off for your average meal. everything is the same in regard to justice in the society.
now, just like everything else that has happened before and had an effect to equalize the situation, empowering the ordinary people and making them less dependent on rich overlords, internet is being suppressed on numerous excuses and grounds, one of which being 'intellectual property rights'. if you put this in a different context with different wording, like into middle ages, you would find that it has no difference from the concept of 'lord's hunting rights in the forest'. and internet is very very detrimental to those 'rights'. it empowers individuals, ordinary people can rise up to noticeable wealth without having to be subservient to any overlord on top with shareholdership or conglomerate ties, and become a threat to existing aristocracy.
no, this is not a matter of simple 'greed'. this is a matter of freedom, and unfortunately, its being fought in the same basic ideals on which it was fought back in middle ages - inequality created due to skewed ownership rights and resulting control scheme. which is unfortunate, because it shows that nothing changed in principle compared to the middle ages, despite the stage and the costumes have changed.
there are open standards, there is microsoft's standards. wherever open standards are not used, microsoft's formats are used. up to few years ago, microsoft determined all standards due to their monopoly.
yet, there you are, talking about differentiation in between microsoft and odf, and making conclusions on other people's stances. you need to think about your own stance and know where you stand first. most disturbing thing is that there have been fanbois who modded you insightful.
you keep missing the point of the rate and way things are going with ubuntu. yesterday those, today this. if you dont expect another thing or two in the same direction from them tomorrow, its naive. so its about principles, and philosophy. there is a point where one should abandon a ship that is sinking due to principles.
because you are dim enough not to understand that with this treaty, there are criminal punishments that are being brought by into your country's citizens, including you, WITHOUT going through the legislation process of a democratic country. basically, democracy is being bypassed, and NATIONAL criminal charges and punishment are being brought over your citizens without your parliament's approval.
its a violation of democracy. and if you are unable to comprehend what this means, you dont deserve democracy. not that you would need it, if you didnt comprehend the meaning of this anyway.
google is a lot different. first, they havent used any of their products to push their other products unto unwitting customers without them having any choice and information beforehand. from gmail to others, all their products was fielded separately from their established products, although you could link them later when you logged into any of them if you wished with one login. its not like they have shoved up gmail to people who searched 'mail' over google or anything. all of the products were marketed with the google hype, people searching for the product, even pestering each other for invitations to get a beta account, instead of the products appearing in their google search one day. this tells a lot.
in addition, almost all of google's products have liberated and empowered individuals, ranging from adsense giving a rebirth to internet advertising by allowing smalltime webmasters and publishers to make money - who were treated like dipshit by big corporations, including microsoft and ignored up to that point - to the many tools they provided for people to use to better their products and services for free.
i am pretty fine with my 'nerd rage', which stems from my principles and my preferences, and i am not going to control it, and moreover i am going to act in accordance with it. anyone, any group, any company who would want my support, contribution or business should act in accordance with my preferences.
this is what i think.
i am a citizen of internet, a consumer, a developer, a contributor, an administrator, a webmaster, a gamer and many other things, like many other people found in abundance around the net. and i am going to make my choices, purchases, contributions to groups other than ubuntu crowd, just because of this incident. it is because i chose so, because i didnt like what has been pushed in front of me. i dont mind rationalizations either, i do not like this.
and half assed smartass comments like 'nerd rage' and whatnot only increases that determination and alienates me from the subject at hand.
its not about promotion. yahoo uses bing now. this change will make a lot of people use bing, and give cards into microsoft's hands. which is precisely what they have repeatedly said in earlier occasions regarding their internet policy and internal memos that leaked out.
you very well know that 'containing' code written by a party is not similar to something that hands out numerous tracking information and statistics about web users to a company. which, is as you know, is the gold of this decade. and the precise extent of what can be done using this information, nobody knows yet.
my problem is with corporate mindset, and going the corporate way and playing into hands of a corporation that has honestly came out with very ill intentions against not only free software, but internet freedom in general. this is microsoft.
if a developer group, a foundation is able to stomach doing such a thing, logic says that they can stomach a lot of other things, and this requires being wary.
are you asking me why a piece of software messing and changing with my settings will constitute an infringement upon my freedom ? i dont even need to answer that.
as for your other question, it is a matter of vision. their move with mono, and now this, signifies that they are increasingly moving away from a philosophy of freedom, and getting more corporate. waiting for more to come while being immersed in such a source's software would be just foolish.
their agenda is making money by being a monopoly. and a monopoly that will have the power to control what you see, what you hear through numerous control schemes like drm to boot.
probably as of this moment im typing these, it has been 3. and probably will be 4 in the coming minutes. in the end, it will end up in a lot of people.
excuse me, but we use free software for freedom. if ubuntu intervenes in our freedom, in order to make profit, for whatsoever reason, it means they left the freedom philosophy. ill find another, more free linux distribution.
millions of users wont change it back. some wont even know they can change it back.
some people who see that guy use ubuntu in his house and get inspired will start using ubuntu, and wont change back.
its about supporting philosophy. we are supporting free software, for freedom. software that becomes less free by getting entangled with determinedly anti freedom stance corporations are bad for us to support for future. it may be just the mono and yahoo/bing search change now, but it is just for now. if this is not responded to, other 'changes' may come up.
a) they clearly stated that upgrades will change your existing setting to yahoo
i second that - anyone, with anything, for any reason, changes my already saved settings to something i didnt choose for, is on my blacklist.
anyone who argues otherwise can go to hell. its MY personal preferences and settings. if, even a free software organization messes with that, and for profit, they can shove their software up their asses. i take up free software to be free in anyway. i cant tolerate small or major interventions to my freedoms for any amount of profit they may receive.
since when something that is contrary to some crowd's beliefs and views, but containing traces or amounts of truth, can be called flamebait and modded down ?
it may be true that the guy didnt provide any loooong explanations for any dimwits who may have missed on history classes, however what he says is just the butt end of a logic rationalization sequence.
there can be no democracy in a place where ideas and economic values are controlled by minority through patent systems and legitimized ownership. such an environment is a feudal aristocracy, with a democracy as the storefront.
back in early feudal times, lands allotted to military men for service were not inheritable. they were allocated not for even a lifetime, but a period.
then, the 'rights owners' started to lobby for lifetime usage rights. after a time, they were granted.
then, the 'rights owners' started to lobby for inheritable rights. after a time, they were granted.
and europe remained in clutches of a created aristocracy for close to 1500 years.
your libertarian viewpoint, just like alan greenspan's vies, lacks a very important aspect of human social behavior set - those who have privileges and profit from them, try to increase and continue those privileges indefinitely. so, instead of original copyright periods we have back when these laws were created in 19th century, we are having increasing copyright periods through laws granting them.
this does not stop. this cannot be stopped at a certain point. if you fix the privilege periods at X years with a law, due to sound rationalization at a point, some private group will come up and argue at a later date that due to this and that, that rationalization does not hold anymore, and therefore it should be extended 'to meet the demands of modern times'. there is no solution to that.
back in history, land was the basis of economy. if you controlled land, you controlled everything in the economy, and therefore, country itself.
today information is power. its not only the most important economic value, but also something that transcends all kinds of economic values and fields. if you patent a logic approach, then the patent would affect all uses of that, because, what's patented is a logic statement. from manufacturing to publishing to space research, it will be applicable wherever that logic or anything resembling it is ever used. it is happening as such in america, where the distorted, beyond sane patent system allows even simple logical constructs to be patented. if that is allowed, it will create a situation in which a group of people can lay claim to anything on the world through accumulated patent fiefs.
there is no freedom in that. there is no fairness in that.
despite the hard conservative/liberitarian twist you are trying to put in to this, the most brutal governments that did those deeds were controlled by monopoly companies. nazis were a product of german industry, heavily backed by them to political power and afterwards. it also explains why nazi government didnt brutally and fascistically nationalize all private corporations and used them properly for war effort, and instead kept somewhat market economy, crippling german industrial production due to unused capacity.
and on another sidenote, it was american companies that started branding people with rfid chips in their arms for 'employee security' 1.5 years ago. until cal. senate kicked in and banned it, they were going all out with it.
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matters like these. with their paranoid attention to detail, psychopathic inclination to procedure, and ungodly patience with working on intricate technical details, any word from germans in that area would trample any word from britain at any point for me.
the fact that u.k. government has been shitting and screwing up in every other field for the last 10 years does not help either.
Disney has balance sheets and accounting books and X number of employees to show what IT'S doing with the IP. What do you have? Other than "but but but feudal system!?"
feudal lords had balance sheets, accounting books, X number of employees, chancellors, stewards, inspectors, taskmasters, sergeant at arms and innumerable other types of offices under them, working for them. even the smaller nobles, 'landholders', or with the term in early middle ages, 'freeholders'.
yea, i say 'but but but but feudal'. because it IS feudal. however, you are quite ignorant on that matter, seeing as how you can show having accounting books and balance sheets as being something differentiating the modern feudal estates from middle age ones.
actually it is worse today. back in feudal times, the lord, estate owner, had an obligation to feed the peasants, who were tied as serfs to his/her estate. it was a double sided oath, a social responsibility. today, the estate owner is even free from that obligation, while retaining all the privileges of being an aristocrat.
and there are people like you too, justifying the system of inequality through various excuses so that you can accept the reality you are living in, and cope up with it.
its distortion of justice, abuse of law, and exploitation of democracy.
private interests are suppressing individual citizens to protect their near monopoly gained profits through legal system. in addition to that, they buy lawmakers and manufacture laws that will protect ill gained profits in expense of freedoms of citizens, as in the acta case.
yet still, a lot of you just label this with a simple, insufficient word, 'greed'. this is not greed. its beyond greed. it has started to become a precise replication of feudal society back in middle ages, albeit, the feudalism has democracy as a storefront. we are supposedly free, yet, as citizens, our relative wealth and liberties compared to those small minority percentage on top of the pyramid didnt change by comparison. neither did the percentages of the wealthy and the ordinary had changed. just, the average standard of living globally has changed. back in middle ages wealthy could afford stone mansions adorned with gold while eating exquisite food whereas the ordinary person would live in thatched roof wooden huts eating gritty bread and cheese, now the wealthy can afford to take private jets halfway over the world on a whim while having hundred thousand dollar champagnes whereas the ordinary person has to work his/her butt off for your average meal. everything is the same in regard to justice in the society.
now, just like everything else that has happened before and had an effect to equalize the situation, empowering the ordinary people and making them less dependent on rich overlords, internet is being suppressed on numerous excuses and grounds, one of which being 'intellectual property rights'. if you put this in a different context with different wording, like into middle ages, you would find that it has no difference from the concept of 'lord's hunting rights in the forest'. and internet is very very detrimental to those 'rights'. it empowers individuals, ordinary people can rise up to noticeable wealth without having to be subservient to any overlord on top with shareholdership or conglomerate ties, and become a threat to existing aristocracy.
no, this is not a matter of simple 'greed'. this is a matter of freedom, and unfortunately, its being fought in the same basic ideals on which it was fought back in middle ages - inequality created due to skewed ownership rights and resulting control scheme. which is unfortunate, because it shows that nothing changed in principle compared to the middle ages, despite the stage and the costumes have changed.
SO what ?
what if it was too obvious and it was 5 years ago. its still 1337. its still leet.
this isnt a women's shoe or fashion piece.
if you read it properly of course.
slippery slope and whatnot, you didnt provide shit of an argument yourself while accusing me of slippery slopes. i have nothing to discuss with you.
those 'other people' will have to adopt a format to do business with the government.
there are open standards, there is microsoft's standards. wherever open standards are not used, microsoft's formats are used. up to few years ago, microsoft determined all standards due to their monopoly.
yet, there you are, talking about differentiation in between microsoft and odf, and making conclusions on other people's stances. you need to think about your own stance and know where you stand first. most disturbing thing is that there have been fanbois who modded you insightful.
why the parent is modded as 'flamebait', in a reasonable manner ?
you keep missing the point of the rate and way things are going with ubuntu. yesterday those, today this. if you dont expect another thing or two in the same direction from them tomorrow, its naive. so its about principles, and philosophy. there is a point where one should abandon a ship that is sinking due to principles.
because you are dim enough not to understand that with this treaty, there are criminal punishments that are being brought by into your country's citizens, including you, WITHOUT going through the legislation process of a democratic country. basically, democracy is being bypassed, and NATIONAL criminal charges and punishment are being brought over your citizens without your parliament's approval.
its a violation of democracy. and if you are unable to comprehend what this means, you dont deserve democracy. not that you would need it, if you didnt comprehend the meaning of this anyway.
and you are full of reason, logic, arguments and manners.
google is a lot different. first, they havent used any of their products to push their other products unto unwitting customers without them having any choice and information beforehand. from gmail to others, all their products was fielded separately from their established products, although you could link them later when you logged into any of them if you wished with one login. its not like they have shoved up gmail to people who searched 'mail' over google or anything. all of the products were marketed with the google hype, people searching for the product, even pestering each other for invitations to get a beta account, instead of the products appearing in their google search one day. this tells a lot.
in addition, almost all of google's products have liberated and empowered individuals, ranging from adsense giving a rebirth to internet advertising by allowing smalltime webmasters and publishers to make money - who were treated like dipshit by big corporations, including microsoft and ignored up to that point - to the many tools they provided for people to use to better their products and services for free.
thats a lot of difference in philosophy.
i am pretty fine with my 'nerd rage', which stems from my principles and my preferences, and i am not going to control it, and moreover i am going to act in accordance with it. anyone, any group, any company who would want my support, contribution or business should act in accordance with my preferences.
this is what i think.
i am a citizen of internet, a consumer, a developer, a contributor, an administrator, a webmaster, a gamer and many other things, like many other people found in abundance around the net. and i am going to make my choices, purchases, contributions to groups other than ubuntu crowd, just because of this incident. it is because i chose so, because i didnt like what has been pushed in front of me. i dont mind rationalizations either, i do not like this.
and half assed smartass comments like 'nerd rage' and whatnot only increases that determination and alienates me from the subject at hand.
its not about promotion. yahoo uses bing now. this change will make a lot of people use bing, and give cards into microsoft's hands. which is precisely what they have repeatedly said in earlier occasions regarding their internet policy and internal memos that leaked out.
you very well know that 'containing' code written by a party is not similar to something that hands out numerous tracking information and statistics about web users to a company. which, is as you know, is the gold of this decade. and the precise extent of what can be done using this information, nobody knows yet.
my problem is with corporate mindset, and going the corporate way and playing into hands of a corporation that has honestly came out with very ill intentions against not only free software, but internet freedom in general. this is microsoft.
if a developer group, a foundation is able to stomach doing such a thing, logic says that they can stomach a lot of other things, and this requires being wary.
but my relatives, my friends and my colleagues do.
are you asking me why a piece of software messing and changing with my settings will constitute an infringement upon my freedom ? i dont even need to answer that.
as for your other question, it is a matter of vision. their move with mono, and now this, signifies that they are increasingly moving away from a philosophy of freedom, and getting more corporate. waiting for more to come while being immersed in such a source's software would be just foolish.
their agenda is making money by being a monopoly. and a monopoly that will have the power to control what you see, what you hear through numerous control schemes like drm to boot.
please dont employ sarcasm foolhardily.
with me, that made 2 'anonymous' cowards.
probably as of this moment im typing these, it has been 3. and probably will be 4 in the coming minutes. in the end, it will end up in a lot of people.
excuse me, but we use free software for freedom. if ubuntu intervenes in our freedom, in order to make profit, for whatsoever reason, it means they left the freedom philosophy. ill find another, more free linux distribution.
millions of users wont change it back. some wont even know they can change it back.
some people who see that guy use ubuntu in his house and get inspired will start using ubuntu, and wont change back.
its about supporting philosophy. we are supporting free software, for freedom. software that becomes less free by getting entangled with determinedly anti freedom stance corporations are bad for us to support for future. it may be just the mono and yahoo/bing search change now, but it is just for now. if this is not responded to, other 'changes' may come up.
a) they clearly stated that upgrades will change your existing setting to yahoo
i second that - anyone, with anything, for any reason, changes my already saved settings to something i didnt choose for, is on my blacklist.
anyone who argues otherwise can go to hell. its MY personal preferences and settings. if, even a free software organization messes with that, and for profit, they can shove their software up their asses. i take up free software to be free in anyway. i cant tolerate small or major interventions to my freedoms for any amount of profit they may receive.
since when something that is contrary to some crowd's beliefs and views, but containing traces or amounts of truth, can be called flamebait and modded down ?
it may be true that the guy didnt provide any loooong explanations for any dimwits who may have missed on history classes, however what he says is just the butt end of a logic rationalization sequence.
there can be no democracy in a place where ideas and economic values are controlled by minority through patent systems and legitimized ownership. such an environment is a feudal aristocracy, with a democracy as the storefront.
back in early feudal times, lands allotted to military men for service were not inheritable. they were allocated not for even a lifetime, but a period.
then, the 'rights owners' started to lobby for lifetime usage rights. after a time, they were granted.
then, the 'rights owners' started to lobby for inheritable rights. after a time, they were granted.
and europe remained in clutches of a created aristocracy for close to 1500 years.
your libertarian viewpoint, just like alan greenspan's vies, lacks a very important aspect of human social behavior set - those who have privileges and profit from them, try to increase and continue those privileges indefinitely. so, instead of original copyright periods we have back when these laws were created in 19th century, we are having increasing copyright periods through laws granting them.
this does not stop. this cannot be stopped at a certain point. if you fix the privilege periods at X years with a law, due to sound rationalization at a point, some private group will come up and argue at a later date that due to this and that, that rationalization does not hold anymore, and therefore it should be extended 'to meet the demands of modern times'. there is no solution to that.
back in history, land was the basis of economy. if you controlled land, you controlled everything in the economy, and therefore, country itself.
today information is power. its not only the most important economic value, but also something that transcends all kinds of economic values and fields. if you patent a logic approach, then the patent would affect all uses of that, because, what's patented is a logic statement. from manufacturing to publishing to space research, it will be applicable wherever that logic or anything resembling it is ever used. it is happening as such in america, where the distorted, beyond sane patent system allows even simple logical constructs to be patented. if that is allowed, it will create a situation in which a group of people can lay claim to anything on the world through accumulated patent fiefs.
there is no freedom in that. there is no fairness in that.
despite the hard conservative/liberitarian twist you are trying to put in to this, the most brutal governments that did those deeds were controlled by monopoly companies. nazis were a product of german industry, heavily backed by them to political power and afterwards. it also explains why nazi government didnt brutally and fascistically nationalize all private corporations and used them properly for war effort, and instead kept somewhat market economy, crippling german industrial production due to unused capacity.
and on another sidenote, it was american companies that started branding people with rfid chips in their arms for 'employee security' 1.5 years ago. until cal. senate kicked in and banned it, they were going all out with it.
uk is pretty much down the loo entirely as of now .