Good, I'm glad your happy in Turkey. That's the beauty of democratically elected nations, we can each have our country run as we like it. As an American, because of our history and heritage I like many of my country men have an innate fear of giving government too much power, and I expect a high level of individual responsibility out of my fellow countrymen. I see things differently then you, but I'm not going to shove my American ways down your throat or insult your country's economic abilities because you have a different viewpoint so I'll ignore your vague attacks on our deceptive abusive bullshit blood sucking American ways and cut back to the chase:.......
yea. you dont give government too much power. in its place, private interests acquire that power themselves, and you have no right and no say in how they abuse their power.
just one thing aside. because you let the private interests get their way that much, and they aggregate that much power, they are not staying within your borders, but spreading their filth elsewhere. ie. they are interfering in the democratic process and even legislation in MY country. just like in the recent case of legislation about the genetically modified foods, in which a particular GMF company has gone to big lengths to influence legislation at the expense of turkish public.
not to mention acta, something like from middle ages, being pushed into numerous countries and european union.
excuse me, but we, as the rest of the world, cant allow that shit to continue in your country. your country has been the equivalent of the radical islamist countries at the other end of spectrum. you are breeding equally dangerous shit, but just on the other side of the spectrum. it doesnt matter anything. they clog democracy everywhere in the world. i wont even go into details about iraq.
leaving you be there is just like leaving the french aristocrats be where there they fled after french revolution to germany, austria. they ARE plotting the downfall of democratic, pluralist (aka modern) society from where they are.
Oh wait, there's absolutely nothing in your post having anything to do with the issue at hand which is the FCC punishing Comcast for throttling without having any law on the books to do so. It's all just bunch of hand waving about the recession in an attempt to magically justify giving an agency that regulates communication unbridled power to act however they see fit. And this would have prevented the recession your saying? Giving the FCC absolute power? But as long as their acting for good? If they do something bad we have some sort of absolute power take away clause? What exactly is your point in relating the FCC punishing Comcast without written law allowing them to do so with the recession. Are you claiming because a government agency acted in a "good" illegal manner that we should therefore trust the rest of the government to regularly do the same?
1 -there wasnt anything about any recession in my post.
2 - in your country, and especially in your country, you are better of giving absolute power to government agencies nomatter what, because in this situation the tip of the balance is EXTREMELY skewed to the other scale.
at least, you have a right in your government, and you have a right to object to them and even change things based on that right.
whereas you dont have zit against private parties. anything they have is their private property, and any info they have is their private trade secrets. and their power is 'justfully' acquired market monopoly, which you cant do anything solid against it either. they just continue their monopoly as 'triopolies' or 'quadropolies' or unsigned agreements of cartel behavior (like in the LCD monitor case) and you people cant do zit with your 'consumer decision power'. because that power does not exist.
after some point, when the government sufficiently cracked down on your private interests for the good or for worse, you can start balancing the tip again. because, by that point it will be much closer to the balance than it is now.
government does. its sole purpose in being invented was to act for the public's interests. public being, everyone in a nation or administration zone.
this very definition is the thing that resides as the framework under courts of justice, law, police, even military.
it HAS to act in public interest. otherwise, as in united states as of now, any private interest could abuse others in society and go unpunished, further encouraging similar behavior.
that bug in the ambler of simpler times is powering millions of sites servicing hundreds of millions of internet users worldwide. ranging from forums to portals, shopping sites to collaboration sites.
for hosting market LAMP hosting with cpanel is THE way to go. it is expected default server config. even the big players are offering lamp packages foremost, because request for other packages are nil, the only exception being a very tiny percentage of asp and mssql hosting. its to the extent that new startups are not even bothering with offering anything aside LAMP.
note that golden ratio is found in many celebrated works of art. a lot of artists in history used it knowingly in their masterpieces. such pieces of art are known to appeal to human's liking more. liking, appreciation, all subjective concepts. human psyche is something we havent been able to approach with any tangible, usable definite method up to this date.
now we find this ration in quantum mechanics.
this is practically the first solid link in between something that is numeric, defined and clear cut and human psyche.
the exact reason the u.s. consumers are in such a mess is that you people do not give your government enough power to regulate businesses. and businesses just pull any kind of shit behind the pretenses of 'free market' and 'trade secret'.
in turkey there are many regulatory powers at the hands of government. and it used them to crack down on deceptive and abusive credit practices, credit card abuses by banks, abuses of consumers by gsm operators (it was HUGE abuse), and many other small things.
in the end it worked for the public interest well. now we really have choice, and noone can suck our blood by putting a few hidden statements in a contract.
There are two points I want to make. First if not everything has to be explicitly written in law, then how does a business know if what it is doing is legal? Corollary, who gets to decide what is illegal?
as i said in the grand graaand parent, they have to act in favor of public interest. thats the case in legalese around the world. they can look at examples set before them and act accordingly. if no example is set, they can act for public interest.
ie, they are selling me a car, that may, or may not run well at speeds 50 mph and over. they also say that the car may or may not see 50 mph on average a month too. they also say that there can be more than one, undefined number of days that i may not be able to use my car.
what kind of product/service sale is that. they cant even define what they are selling and determine an acceptable quality.
if there is no precedent regarding a policy, it is not only legal tradition but global practice to rule in favor of public interest.
this is what precisely those fscking judges should have done. they have not. their approach little different than parroting corporate interests' statements.
arent there already customer satisfaction laws in place ? guarantees for the product/service sold ?
wont wrongfully advertising X bandwidth/month and then curbing the user's usage despite charging full charge, a violation of these laws ?
or, arent falsified advertising, and hiding critical information in footnotes and smallprints illegal ? well it is such in turkey. if you want to sell something you have to make any kind of footnotes and small print big enough, and in bold text. especially in credit card contract statements.
"It's part of a strategy by several studios to create staggered releases of DVDs so that the most profitable transactions are available first and cheaper rental options take effect further down the road"
a quite elaborate marketerspeak for "a new way to rape the customer". and then they come complain about piracy...
when the administration changes, fcc will become the influence area of another private interest block. it may happen to be the at&t - riaa - media cartel that seek to undermine everyone in the digital age for their own interest.
google is there to stay. the company vision is sound and reliable. it wont just change in 4 years. brin and page dont seem to be retiring or dying anytime soon, so the vision will keep going like this and even strengthening in future.
you would be much better off relying on google to administer it.
for if i know anything, the cartel/telecom block is going to screw every single person out there as soon as their supported candidates are in administration.
so, there are corporations that want to gimp internet to being a cable tv so that free expression, uncalled for political ideas, grassroots movements wont be able to flourish. so, they arent the worst corporate evil out there today.
there are companies 'insuring' your health, but weaseling out of their obligations with dubious legal clauses when you hit the hospital, at the risk of your own life. buuut, apparently, they arent the worst corporate evil out there today either.
there are corporations which foster war, so that they will be able to contract defense projects at the cost of lives. but, they arent the worst evil out there today.
there are oil companies which curb innovative new technologies so that we will use oil, forcing us to breath shit in the air and fostering radical islamist organizations in middle east, which not only create turmoil in the world, but also make the lives of middle easterners a nightmare. BUUUUT, they arent the worst corporate evil out there either.
and then there is google. despite being a corporation, ALL the company did has been empowering individuals, ranging from small, underdog webmasters to small businesses with a few items to sell, developers, advertisers, any kind of small people who were treated like shit and ignored by big buck corporations up to this date, and many of those people have been able to make a living thanks to that empowerment. in addition to that, despite being a corporation, the company stuck to most of the ethical guidelines that SHOULD have driven all corporations but a few, like the china case, and in general has been a friend of the new ways of the internet and digital age.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT, despite ALL of that, google is the worst kind of corporate evil out there. is it.
no sir. let me tell you, you are a complete moron. that is beyond comprehension. i wont even attempt the effort to explain anything to you. people like you cause all of us to suffer due to your gullibility and naivete, because you are sooo easy to fool. and 2 fools have wasted their mod points on you. probably they were using their mod points discriminately, rather than indiscriminately, as they should.
what happens is always to the contrary. some minority private interests, which have more financial or economic power than the majority sponsors candidates, and they win.
this is the story you have been living in the last 150 years. this is the reason you are screwed. dont be fooled by fucked private interest propaganda. 'majority finds out they can get benefits from public treasury' my ass.
for, they sure know how to behave like one as a family.
ah and, fuck trademarks. with this stupid mindset, in 50 years time we will run out of words and phrases to name things. and, given the possibility of infringing on someone's 'rights', we will probably be start refraining from using those words during ordinary talks in daily life.
programming is about logic. causes and effects. about interactions in between created, derived logic sets.
mathematics is a much more bigger procedural set which bases all its procedures and operations and practices on the framework of logic. its, therefore, a derived set.
what you need to know good is logic. if you are able to utilize logic good, you will be able to do good programming. being a mathematician would help only because you would sharpen your logic skills while working on mathematical problems. if you already have a good logic skill, or you have other ways to develop your logic skills, you dont need to take on mathematics.
after all, the basis of all thought is logic. the keenness about understanding base interactions and cause effect relationships in between concepts. anything else is derived.
i posted in this thread. perhaps more iditos who didnt read the article wont come barging in yelping libertarian/republican crap if they understood what was it about.
you dont know jack shit. what you term 'lobbyist driven bureaucrats in government' are just a storefront for really evil money grubbing corporate types, like at&t, riaa, time warner et al. had they got their way up until now, the internet you so ordinarily use would have turned into a cable network already.
compared to them, google types come up as clean as an angel.
As for Turkey, any fule kno that if Erdogan does go too far, the army will step in. Imposing alcohol licensing and banning the sale of porn to under-16s is not really hardcore sharia.
proves how you dont know shit about turkey.
that erdogan is in the process of prosecuting and suppressing army, intellectuals, politicians, writers, journalists, activists, anyone who has showed any kind of opposition to what they are doing through a never ending 'terrorist coup trial' named ergenekon for over 2 years now. the progress of the prosecutions sometimes even breaks turkish law itself. yet, noone has been able to stop it, since ministry of justice is in his hands.
1 more years and there will be no army to prevent such an islamist takeover. leave aside any opposition.
same works for iran. had the protesters been in noticeable majority, things wouldnt have happened this way.
There'll also be sandboxes for the people who want reliable, safe, identity-ridden, and above all controlled networks.
if any such sandbox is created, it wont take a month for the private interests and government to push it to become the entire internet.
It already has happened with banking, credit cards, phones, etc.
no it havent. all those utilize secure means to access only their own data. they all are separate, and hence not controlled through one sandbox network.
Jesus Christ, your ignorance is deafening. How many Iranians do you know? The people on the streets want iPods and a little bit of comprehension from the West, not a wholesale return to the 13th century.
yea. and the recent tens of thousands of strong march of the 13th centuryists was for what ? ipods ?
i dont need to know iranians. i know iranian history. islamic revolution was done based on the rural crowds and their support in the first place, only later gaining support in cities, and most of that support was gained by the promise of more democracy, which was not delivered. nothing changed in rural iran. or in lower circles of society in iran. they are as hardliner as they can be.
As for Turkey, it's the most secular Islamic state in the world by a long, long, way. There are shades of opinion, but Turkey is not going to be a bastion of support for radical terrorism any time soon.
iiiis it nooow. what do you know about turkey anyway ?
love the way how they pump up the stuff noone needs - exabytes of content, more 'reliability'. reliability of what, exactly ? reliable in which way, precisely ? it awfully resembles shitty catchphrases senators use to push their sinister private interest agendas in senate. 'good' abstract words which noone should object to - reliability.
'identity management'. what a nice way to say 'control'. its like naming a damned private interest feudal law Digital Millenium copyright act. now see, there's the phrase 'digital' in it and it also says 'millenium'. that cant be something bad right ?
so it goes like this. of course, unless we net people, eff and similar organizations starten up and take the initiative to create public opinion rather than waiting for some private interest to screw us all up by brainwashing the public.
yea. and how many future artists, and artists who havent made it big yet are going to make it big, in the future, if the current system of monopolized distribution continues ?
they want to turn internet into a cable tv clone. please tell me how many budding young artists cable tv helped to make a break, or make a living, out of millions.
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Good, I'm glad your happy in Turkey. That's the beauty of democratically elected nations, we can each have our country run as we like it. As an American, because of our history and heritage I like many of my country men have an innate fear of giving government too much power, and I expect a high level of individual responsibility out of my fellow countrymen. I see things differently then you, but I'm not going to shove my American ways down your throat or insult your country's economic abilities because you have a different viewpoint so I'll ignore your vague attacks on our deceptive abusive bullshit blood sucking American ways and cut back to the chase: .......
yea. you dont give government too much power. in its place, private interests acquire that power themselves, and you have no right and no say in how they abuse their power.
just one thing aside. because you let the private interests get their way that much, and they aggregate that much power, they are not staying within your borders, but spreading their filth elsewhere. ie. they are interfering in the democratic process and even legislation in MY country. just like in the recent case of legislation about the genetically modified foods, in which a particular GMF company has gone to big lengths to influence legislation at the expense of turkish public.
not to mention acta, something like from middle ages, being pushed into numerous countries and european union.
excuse me, but we, as the rest of the world, cant allow that shit to continue in your country. your country has been the equivalent of the radical islamist countries at the other end of spectrum. you are breeding equally dangerous shit, but just on the other side of the spectrum. it doesnt matter anything. they clog democracy everywhere in the world. i wont even go into details about iraq.
leaving you be there is just like leaving the french aristocrats be where there they fled after french revolution to germany, austria. they ARE plotting the downfall of democratic, pluralist (aka modern) society from where they are.
Oh wait, there's absolutely nothing in your post having anything to do with the issue at hand which is the FCC punishing Comcast for throttling without having any law on the books to do so. It's all just bunch of hand waving about the recession in an attempt to magically justify giving an agency that regulates communication unbridled power to act however they see fit. And this would have prevented the recession your saying? Giving the FCC absolute power? But as long as their acting for good? If they do something bad we have some sort of absolute power take away clause? What exactly is your point in relating the FCC punishing Comcast without written law allowing them to do so with the recession. Are you claiming because a government agency acted in a "good" illegal manner that we should therefore trust the rest of the government to regularly do the same?
1 -there wasnt anything about any recession in my post.
2 - in your country, and especially in your country, you are better of giving absolute power to government agencies nomatter what, because in this situation the tip of the balance is EXTREMELY skewed to the other scale.
at least, you have a right in your government, and you have a right to object to them and even change things based on that right.
whereas you dont have zit against private parties. anything they have is their private property, and any info they have is their private trade secrets. and their power is 'justfully' acquired market monopoly, which you cant do anything solid against it either. they just continue their monopoly as 'triopolies' or 'quadropolies' or unsigned agreements of cartel behavior (like in the LCD monitor case) and you people cant do zit with your 'consumer decision power'. because that power does not exist.
after some point, when the government sufficiently cracked down on your private interests for the good or for worse, you can start balancing the tip again. because, by that point it will be much closer to the balance than it is now.
government does. its sole purpose in being invented was to act for the public's interests. public being, everyone in a nation or administration zone.
this very definition is the thing that resides as the framework under courts of justice, law, police, even military.
it HAS to act in public interest. otherwise, as in united states as of now, any private interest could abuse others in society and go unpunished, further encouraging similar behavior.
that bug in the ambler of simpler times is powering millions of sites servicing hundreds of millions of internet users worldwide. ranging from forums to portals, shopping sites to collaboration sites.
for hosting market LAMP hosting with cpanel is THE way to go. it is expected default server config. even the big players are offering lamp packages foremost, because request for other packages are nil, the only exception being a very tiny percentage of asp and mssql hosting. its to the extent that new startups are not even bothering with offering anything aside LAMP.
webmaster, publisher, community leader, administrator.
if anything 'bad' happens to mysql, heads will roll.
note that golden ratio is found in many celebrated works of art. a lot of artists in history used it knowingly in their masterpieces. such pieces of art are known to appeal to human's liking more. liking, appreciation, all subjective concepts. human psyche is something we havent been able to approach with any tangible, usable definite method up to this date.
now we find this ration in quantum mechanics.
this is practically the first solid link in between something that is numeric, defined and clear cut and human psyche.
the exact reason the u.s. consumers are in such a mess is that you people do not give your government enough power to regulate businesses. and businesses just pull any kind of shit behind the pretenses of 'free market' and 'trade secret'.
in turkey there are many regulatory powers at the hands of government. and it used them to crack down on deceptive and abusive credit practices, credit card abuses by banks, abuses of consumers by gsm operators (it was HUGE abuse), and many other small things.
in the end it worked for the public interest well. now we really have choice, and noone can suck our blood by putting a few hidden statements in a contract.
There are two points I want to make. First if not everything has to be explicitly written in law, then how does a business know if what it is doing is legal? Corollary, who gets to decide what is illegal?
as i said in the grand graaand parent, they have to act in favor of public interest. thats the case in legalese around the world. they can look at examples set before them and act accordingly. if no example is set, they can act for public interest.
this is also deceptive advertising ?
ie, they are selling me a car, that may, or may not run well at speeds 50 mph and over. they also say that the car may or may not see 50 mph on average a month too. they also say that there can be more than one, undefined number of days that i may not be able to use my car.
what kind of product/service sale is that. they cant even define what they are selling and determine an acceptable quality.
if there is no precedent regarding a policy, it is not only legal tradition but global practice to rule in favor of public interest.
this is what precisely those fscking judges should have done. they have not. their approach little different than parroting corporate interests' statements.
arent there already customer satisfaction laws in place ? guarantees for the product/service sold ?
wont wrongfully advertising X bandwidth/month and then curbing the user's usage despite charging full charge, a violation of these laws ?
or, arent falsified advertising, and hiding critical information in footnotes and smallprints illegal ? well it is such in turkey. if you want to sell something you have to make any kind of footnotes and small print big enough, and in bold text. especially in credit card contract statements.
please do.
its a valid copyright/patent issue.
if copyright lobby can extend the copyright period by 90 years, why a government shouldnt be able to extend any copyright 500 years ?
"It's part of a strategy by several studios to create staggered releases of DVDs so that the most profitable transactions are available first and cheaper rental options take effect further down the road"
a quite elaborate marketerspeak for "a new way to rape the customer". and then they come complain about piracy ...
when the administration changes, fcc will become the influence area of another private interest block. it may happen to be the at&t - riaa - media cartel that seek to undermine everyone in the digital age for their own interest.
google is there to stay. the company vision is sound and reliable. it wont just change in 4 years. brin and page dont seem to be retiring or dying anytime soon, so the vision will keep going like this and even strengthening in future.
you would be much better off relying on google to administer it.
for if i know anything, the cartel/telecom block is going to screw every single person out there as soon as their supported candidates are in administration.
so, there are corporations that want to gimp internet to being a cable tv so that free expression, uncalled for political ideas, grassroots movements wont be able to flourish. so, they arent the worst corporate evil out there today.
there are companies 'insuring' your health, but weaseling out of their obligations with dubious legal clauses when you hit the hospital, at the risk of your own life. buuut, apparently, they arent the worst corporate evil out there today either.
there are corporations which foster war, so that they will be able to contract defense projects at the cost of lives. but, they arent the worst evil out there today.
there are oil companies which curb innovative new technologies so that we will use oil, forcing us to breath shit in the air and fostering radical islamist organizations in middle east, which not only create turmoil in the world, but also make the lives of middle easterners a nightmare. BUUUUT, they arent the worst corporate evil out there either.
and then there is google. despite being a corporation, ALL the company did has been empowering individuals, ranging from small, underdog webmasters to small businesses with a few items to sell, developers, advertisers, any kind of small people who were treated like shit and ignored by big buck corporations up to this date, and many of those people have been able to make a living thanks to that empowerment. in addition to that, despite being a corporation, the company stuck to most of the ethical guidelines that SHOULD have driven all corporations but a few, like the china case, and in general has been a friend of the new ways of the internet and digital age.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT, despite ALL of that, google is the worst kind of corporate evil out there. is it.
no sir. let me tell you, you are a complete moron. that is beyond comprehension. i wont even attempt the effort to explain anything to you. people like you cause all of us to suffer due to your gullibility and naivete, because you are sooo easy to fool. and 2 fools have wasted their mod points on you. probably they were using their mod points discriminately, rather than indiscriminately, as they should.
what you cite there has never happened.
what happens is always to the contrary. some minority private interests, which have more financial or economic power than the majority sponsors candidates, and they win.
this is the story you have been living in the last 150 years. this is the reason you are screwed. dont be fooled by fucked private interest propaganda. 'majority finds out they can get benefits from public treasury' my ass.
for, they sure know how to behave like one as a family.
ah and, fuck trademarks. with this stupid mindset, in 50 years time we will run out of words and phrases to name things. and, given the possibility of infringing on someone's 'rights', we will probably be start refraining from using those words during ordinary talks in daily life.
this has to stop before it gets to that point.
programming is about logic. causes and effects. about interactions in between created, derived logic sets.
mathematics is a much more bigger procedural set which bases all its procedures and operations and practices on the framework of logic. its, therefore, a derived set.
what you need to know good is logic. if you are able to utilize logic good, you will be able to do good programming. being a mathematician would help only because you would sharpen your logic skills while working on mathematical problems. if you already have a good logic skill, or you have other ways to develop your logic skills, you dont need to take on mathematics.
after all, the basis of all thought is logic. the keenness about understanding base interactions and cause effect relationships in between concepts. anything else is derived.
i posted in this thread. perhaps more iditos who didnt read the article wont come barging in yelping libertarian/republican crap if they understood what was it about.
you dont know jack shit. what you term 'lobbyist driven bureaucrats in government' are just a storefront for really evil money grubbing corporate types, like at&t, riaa, time warner et al. had they got their way up until now, the internet you so ordinarily use would have turned into a cable network already.
compared to them, google types come up as clean as an angel.
As for Turkey, any fule kno that if Erdogan does go too far, the army will step in. Imposing alcohol licensing and banning the sale of porn to under-16s is not really hardcore sharia.
proves how you dont know shit about turkey.
that erdogan is in the process of prosecuting and suppressing army, intellectuals, politicians, writers, journalists, activists, anyone who has showed any kind of opposition to what they are doing through a never ending 'terrorist coup trial' named ergenekon for over 2 years now. the progress of the prosecutions sometimes even breaks turkish law itself. yet, noone has been able to stop it, since ministry of justice is in his hands.
1 more years and there will be no army to prevent such an islamist takeover. leave aside any opposition.
same works for iran. had the protesters been in noticeable majority, things wouldnt have happened this way.
There'll also be sandboxes for the people who want reliable, safe, identity-ridden, and above all controlled networks.
if any such sandbox is created, it wont take a month for the private interests and government to push it to become the entire internet.
It already has happened with banking, credit cards, phones, etc.
no it havent. all those utilize secure means to access only their own data. they all are separate, and hence not controlled through one sandbox network.
Jesus Christ, your ignorance is deafening. How many Iranians do you know? The people on the streets want iPods and a little bit of comprehension from the West, not a wholesale return to the 13th century.
yea. and the recent tens of thousands of strong march of the 13th centuryists was for what ? ipods ?
i dont need to know iranians. i know iranian history. islamic revolution was done based on the rural crowds and their support in the first place, only later gaining support in cities, and most of that support was gained by the promise of more democracy, which was not delivered. nothing changed in rural iran. or in lower circles of society in iran. they are as hardliner as they can be.
As for Turkey, it's the most secular Islamic state in the world by a long, long, way. There are shades of opinion, but Turkey is not going to be a bastion of support for radical terrorism any time soon.
iiiis it nooow. what do you know about turkey anyway ?
one single fucking dirty word : control.
love the way how they pump up the stuff noone needs - exabytes of content, more 'reliability'. reliability of what, exactly ? reliable in which way, precisely ? it awfully resembles shitty catchphrases senators use to push their sinister private interest agendas in senate. 'good' abstract words which noone should object to - reliability.
'identity management'. what a nice way to say 'control'. its like naming a damned private interest feudal law Digital Millenium copyright act. now see, there's the phrase 'digital' in it and it also says 'millenium'. that cant be something bad right ?
so it goes like this. of course, unless we net people, eff and similar organizations starten up and take the initiative to create public opinion rather than waiting for some private interest to screw us all up by brainwashing the public.
yea. and how many future artists, and artists who havent made it big yet are going to make it big, in the future, if the current system of monopolized distribution continues ?
they want to turn internet into a cable tv clone. please tell me how many budding young artists cable tv helped to make a break, or make a living, out of millions.