if you take time to think how much of our time passes while doing mandatory eating, strenous digesting and dealing with the excrement and crapping it, you would be appalled.
in addition, a good deal of energy we take in by eating is spent on digesting the food itself. check your body in an atlas. almost 1/3 of the internal organs are allocated to digestion.
hen you need to vote for people who do understand the matter. If there aren't any running, run yourself.
and pray tell me how good does this work in practice.
for centuries, bureaucrats have been the pillar of any government as opposed to elected officials. for around 3 centuries bureaucrats ensured that britain had a state tradition based on liberal principles, and have offset the excesses of elected officials.
no different in usa, the bureaucrat strata of your country has been 'the' government since its founding, and not as vaguely as british either. almost all of your founding fathers and all bureaucrats who serviced immediately after, and numerous bureaucrats in the following centuries were members of Society of Cincinnati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Cincinnati
this is the way the developed nations kept their ideals for over centuries. else, one populist or dictator like caesar gets elected by mishap, and upturns everything.
You are obviously unfamiliar with the Civil Service Act. And by the way, I was not arguing that there shouldn't be a law against what Comcast did. I was arguing that bureaucrats should not be allowed to make "law". You are arguing bureaucrat vs private entities. I am arguing administrative vs legislative. There is a reason that the Constitution separates the legislative and administrative functions of the government. It was a good idea then and it is a good idea now.
in events that would turn permanently bad for people and modern ideals, there may not be time to wait for legislations. observe network neutrality. lets say comcast did it, at&t did it, others did it. because govt. didnt intervene because there wasnt a law against it. by the time legislature convenes to take the issue, this would already have become a de facto reality of internet, and anti freedom practices would be easily presented and passed as valid by the private interest parties, well doh, because everyone is doing it and there are no observed negative repercussions yet.
see. you cant wait for some stuff.
please do extensive reading on society of cincinnati
its good that they decided to take this decision, even though it was after such an event. a lot of companies would still weather the storm and just keep counting their bucks. i know one such company...
well, what happens when the legislative body lacks the understanding and resolve of the matter like in your example ? like, in the comcast case ? the issue is technological and complex, and its implications arent readily graspable by legislators. but, its implications are serious. what happens then ?
unaccountable bureaucrat ? excuse me, but bureaucrats are accountable, whereas private entities are not. you can prosecute a bureaucrat for anything that is done, but you cant do it for private entities. the whole reason for the companies existing as private entities separate from their owners and their staff is precisely for that reason. a bureaucrat's fate hangs in balance in the hand of the administration, which may decide to replace him/her due to a popular backlash, but a corporation ceo's fate doesnt hang on anything, because regardless of what he does, as long as the move profited the big shareholders, he will still find lucrative jobs. he wont even probably be fired. just like in the wall street case. therefore your distrust is misplaced.
small businesses do not have the funds or time to make any kind of migration. this is a matter of life and death for many. 'necessities' of business, or 'technology' do not make any difference in such a situation. especially during a global crisis.
logical words, rationalizations, and even being right wont change the matter.
the success of a project, and ultimately open source depends on people using it. if the people and businesses using it are left out in the cold like piles of crap, by a major project, even only once, the opinion against open source will change. and the masses which were using that software will switch to other providers. very probably closed source proprietory software, because at least the companies will seem more reliable than open source by that point.
this, that or those do not matter. this is a matter of pragmatism and practicality. it doesnt matter zit whether you are right in ANY of your points. this is a matter of brutal pragmatism. if you fail them, masses will leave you. and you can only shove your project up hobbyists' asses at that point.
this is the mechanic which made microsoft come out far ahead of other competitors in early 90s. masses' usage. lose it, you lose everything.
its sad to see a lot of self-righteous and elitist responses being posted to grandparent. it shows how remote from brutal reality some of you people are. however it was not unexpected.
im in web hosting and web development business, and i can easily say that majority of the web still runs on 1.3. innumerable scripts, modules, software were coded for 1.3, and there are innumerable websites that still need those stuff. even the clients which start with newer versions are sometimes having to go back to 1.3 because they need some module or software that is uncommon but vital in their line of business.
'obsolete','old','development ceased','not supported' etc do not count. this is about business. small businesses and individuals, who constitute the majority of the web dont have the funds or time to get all their setups ported to a wholly new webserver. they just wont. because they cant. its just like the xp -> vista -> 7 thing, but much more serious in that, they dont have the funds or possibility to upgrade by themselves.
2.0 didnt get hold at all in the broad web. there are 'edgy' people using it, and edgy web hosts offering it, but majority of the hosts just offer 1.3 because of the software support for it. just like windows and its broad software support base.
this is a practical issue. people wont just roll over to 2.0 or 2.2 just because smart programmers made them, and they work better. there are more pragmatic issues at stake here. if you dont take backwards compatibility into FULL account, people wont use your new version and just go with the old. as long as there are charitable people (in or outside the apache developer base) that fixes any security issues that are found out, they will just stay on 1.3. this WONT be good for either apache, or open source software in general.
i implore you, please do not be elitist or self righteous and try to force anything on the people. for, this is 'the people', leave aside not liking being forced (and hating self righteous behavior), this time they dont have the means and resources to do what they are forced either.
remember, software didnt build the web - people did it.
if a company starts branding their employees with rfid chips for the sake of 'security', and there is no law out about it, do we allow them to continue, because, there is no law about it, and say, the congress is not going to convene for another 2 months ? do we prevent a government agency from coming in and stopping the process, because, well, there is not a law for it ?
the golden rule of i.t. applies here too : if it aint broke, dont fix it.
they couldnt have waited till fall or winter to put the movie forth. despite they had an assuredly successful franchise. the greed is SO big that they HAVE to make profit this summer. or else.
and they think the audience is just going to accept whatever put in front of them like pussies, which will probably be a huge deviation from what defined the franchise in the first place.
in the end they will just fuck up a great entertainment title for hasty profits. profits, fast profits before quality, even at the cost of totally destroying a profit making franchise.
another detrimental result of unbridled capitalism....
ces, enjoy your bad publicity. also you will need to promote your next round with your own money, for we, the people on the internet wont be linking your greedfuck show around.
aol is not a polished provider. they have overeager spam filters marking legitimate emails mistakenly spam too often. they also block entire ip ranges to prevent 'spam'.
what this means is, someone using an aol email address will be regularly missing a lot of legitimate normal and business emails because aol either blocks their ip range en masse because it saw some spammers using zombies in that address block, (or some black sheep spamming from shared hosting) or their overeager spam filter marked it as spam.
it means that you are living in the digital age, but dont know zit about which service good or which service not. its like using a crappy phone service for business despite you have premier services available.
please tell me whether you would like to rely on decision theory, game theory or utilitarian techniques to handle life chances of your children or their sensitive private/critical information in a database.
logic and reason are the enemy of religion. the whole age of enlightenment and the demise of religion and the advent of scientific age has been moving on those two. and they have never stopped moving on their momentum up till now.
its your job to make it work as it should like a citizen. when your car breaks down, do you just give up using cars because they may break down, or do you fix it and make it work. leaving the government out is just like letting go of cars when they break. you lose a very important and irreplacable tool.
your server app may be missing 1 out of 10 billion orders every month. or risk marking 1 out of 1 million emails mistakenly as spam.
1 out of that percentage may chance up on a big potential client's order/email, and your corporation may miss millions and you may even never know it.
or, 1 out of 10 billion some jerk may be able to hack your secure app and get millions of customer data.
see, it doesnt mean shit. some statistician coming up and saying 'its unlikely' or something doesnt mean shit. there is no statistics in this. it just should not happen.
can you make a statistic out of the output of Da vinci ? can you statistically value the work output that was required to create mona lisa ? can you statistically measure the effect of mona lisa in the beholders' psyche ?
or, can you compare the efficiency and work output of monet to rembrandt ? or bach to handel ?
let me tell you. you fucking cant. because these are not quantifiable. its ART. it requires muse, talent, luck, inspiration, experience, practice, stars aligned in the right time, EVERY other kind of shit.
what the fsck does this have in relation to programming then ? listen, for its apparent that you dont know about programming enough, even in your current situation :
programming is little different than art. some people type out 10.000 lines of code doing multitudes of things, yet all of these provide nothing. one person puts out 50 lines of code, that that provides nothing either.
but in 3 years time, something happens, and the entire company's ass is saved by that 50 lines of code.
a brutally simple example, and a common one, but this should be enough to make the point.
i would sell any shares in a company that statistically tries to quantify the programmers. for, it means that they are one company that dont know shit about information technology, and sure is a company to miss any potential genius or groundbreaker even if they get their hands on one.
So you believe that rather than organizing your country to police corporate interests as you see fit within your own borders the better solution is to force your views upon our country through...what, war? I mean, any actions you took to start a war in the first place would seem to pretty much require the ability to completely take over or shut off any American Corporate interests in your country anyways, so why don't you spare the bloodshed and just do that if you really believe what your saying?
you see, this is a dilemma like radical islam vs the west. the west wants to leave radical islam in place, and not to be bothered by it. but, radical islam (actually islam) doesnt want to be contained in the bottle. instead, they infest the west through various means.
all the while the life under radical islam in middle east gets even worse, DESPITE the residents of those places want and even appreciate it.
the situation with your corporations is the same. a 40 to 50 % of you have been brainwashed with the idea that 'letting private interest do whatever they want' = democracy, and just giving them their way. in the end they make shit out of your ordinary daily lives. and just like radical islam, they dont stay in the bottle - they go infest other countries, and curb their democracies.
i dont need to do anything to cut out american private interests actually, or start a war to do it. american corporations, with their filth, are doing that. they have supported islamist parties to be able to make them do what they want, ie an unregulated environment in which they could easily play horse, and they got it. (most of that was done with your taxpayer money through bush & co admn. i might add). however, a natural result of this has been the advent and ascent of the islamic capital in turkey. the islam rooted private interest has grown to extreme power here. and they are increasingly radicalizing the country. despite the government seems pro western in the outside, it is underhandedly supporting anti west, especially anti american propaganda through innumerable means, leave aside almost entirety of the press.
given enough time at this rate, (at most maybe 10 years), turkey will have radicalized greatly and american corporate interests will be shut out forever by the islamist interests rooted in middle east.
you will be enjoying an islamist country which is muuuuch more dangerous than iran by then. enjoy your security threats.
Or are you just looking for someone to blame and lash out at in order to avoid dealing with the actual problems you have, and America seems like a convenient target? I mean, how in the hell did you get from the legality of the FCC's actions over p2p throttling to Turkey forming an alliance to declare war on America anyways? Does Comcast even have any foreign holdings or offer foreign services? Last I knew they only served like 40 or so states in the US.
no. because i know exactly how it happened:
in 1998, the Rand corporation (cia's unofficial pr arm) has published a report. the report said explicitly 'in order to further america's interests better, recep tayyip erdogan (current islamist prime minister) needs to be made the prime minister, and abdullah gul (current islamist president) needs to be made secretary of state.
in 2001-2002, these duo and their affiliates made numerous trips to washington, meeting with bush & co affiliates.
in 2002, these two founded a party. and just out of nowhere, without any history, this party suddenly was able to field unbelievable amount of funds in the elections campaign. they spent so much that their spending not only surpassed summation of ALL spendings in any political elections in turkey up to date, but could be compared to the national budget. they spent so much that it could be deemed unnecessarily lavish. turkey doesnt have that kind of money. notice, im not saying noone in turkey, im saying turkey doesnt have that kind of money.
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with that logic you could even justify nazis in 1933. actions speak louder than words.
because he has gained a ceo position, he cant be a moron ?
if you take time to think how much of our time passes while doing mandatory eating, strenous digesting and dealing with the excrement and crapping it, you would be appalled.
in addition, a good deal of energy we take in by eating is spent on digesting the food itself. check your body in an atlas. almost 1/3 of the internal organs are allocated to digestion.
imagine cutting out the middleman.
hen you need to vote for people who do understand the matter. If there aren't any running, run yourself.
and pray tell me how good does this work in practice.
for centuries, bureaucrats have been the pillar of any government as opposed to elected officials. for around 3 centuries bureaucrats ensured that britain had a state tradition based on liberal principles, and have offset the excesses of elected officials.
no different in usa, the bureaucrat strata of your country has been 'the' government since its founding, and not as vaguely as british either. almost all of your founding fathers and all bureaucrats who serviced immediately after, and numerous bureaucrats in the following centuries were members of Society of Cincinnati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Cincinnati
this is the way the developed nations kept their ideals for over centuries. else, one populist or dictator like caesar gets elected by mishap, and upturns everything.
You are obviously unfamiliar with the Civil Service Act. And by the way, I was not arguing that there shouldn't be a law against what Comcast did. I was arguing that bureaucrats should not be allowed to make "law". You are arguing bureaucrat vs private entities. I am arguing administrative vs legislative. There is a reason that the Constitution separates the legislative and administrative functions of the government. It was a good idea then and it is a good idea now.
in events that would turn permanently bad for people and modern ideals, there may not be time to wait for legislations. observe network neutrality. lets say comcast did it, at&t did it, others did it. because govt. didnt intervene because there wasnt a law against it. by the time legislature convenes to take the issue, this would already have become a de facto reality of internet, and anti freedom practices would be easily presented and passed as valid by the private interest parties, well doh, because everyone is doing it and there are no observed negative repercussions yet.
see. you cant wait for some stuff.
please do extensive reading on society of cincinnati
its good that they decided to take this decision, even though it was after such an event. a lot of companies would still weather the storm and just keep counting their bucks. i know one such company ...
participating in the launch of a mmo is exciting experience.
the icon of that dark side has been cut in half by the sissy that prefers talking about your feelings than beating shit up.
hmmmmmmmmmm.
and all hell will break loose ?
oh well. at least it will be a whole new experience in fallout style post apocalyptic gameplay afterwards.
well, what happens when the legislative body lacks the understanding and resolve of the matter like in your example ? like, in the comcast case ? the issue is technological and complex, and its implications arent readily graspable by legislators. but, its implications are serious. what happens then ?
unaccountable bureaucrat ? excuse me, but bureaucrats are accountable, whereas private entities are not. you can prosecute a bureaucrat for anything that is done, but you cant do it for private entities. the whole reason for the companies existing as private entities separate from their owners and their staff is precisely for that reason. a bureaucrat's fate hangs in balance in the hand of the administration, which may decide to replace him/her due to a popular backlash, but a corporation ceo's fate doesnt hang on anything, because regardless of what he does, as long as the move profited the big shareholders, he will still find lucrative jobs. he wont even probably be fired. just like in the wall street case. therefore your distrust is misplaced.
small businesses do not have the funds or time to make any kind of migration. this is a matter of life and death for many. 'necessities' of business, or 'technology' do not make any difference in such a situation. especially during a global crisis.
the obligation is not ethical. its practical.
logical words, rationalizations, and even being right wont change the matter.
the success of a project, and ultimately open source depends on people using it. if the people and businesses using it are left out in the cold like piles of crap, by a major project, even only once, the opinion against open source will change. and the masses which were using that software will switch to other providers. very probably closed source proprietory software, because at least the companies will seem more reliable than open source by that point.
this, that or those do not matter. this is a matter of pragmatism and practicality. it doesnt matter zit whether you are right in ANY of your points. this is a matter of brutal pragmatism. if you fail them, masses will leave you. and you can only shove your project up hobbyists' asses at that point.
this is the mechanic which made microsoft come out far ahead of other competitors in early 90s. masses' usage. lose it, you lose everything.
its sad to see a lot of self-righteous and elitist responses being posted to grandparent. it shows how remote from brutal reality some of you people are. however it was not unexpected.
you know, the 'hands off business', 'corporations regulate themselves better', 'trade secrets' shit.
now it has come to the point of damaging our kidneys, but there are still morons who are able to defend that kind of bullshit.
sorry.
im in web hosting and web development business, and i can easily say that majority of the web still runs on 1.3. innumerable scripts, modules, software were coded for 1.3, and there are innumerable websites that still need those stuff. even the clients which start with newer versions are sometimes having to go back to 1.3 because they need some module or software that is uncommon but vital in their line of business.
'obsolete','old','development ceased','not supported' etc do not count. this is about business. small businesses and individuals, who constitute the majority of the web dont have the funds or time to get all their setups ported to a wholly new webserver. they just wont. because they cant. its just like the xp -> vista -> 7 thing, but much more serious in that, they dont have the funds or possibility to upgrade by themselves.
2.0 didnt get hold at all in the broad web. there are 'edgy' people using it, and edgy web hosts offering it, but majority of the hosts just offer 1.3 because of the software support for it. just like windows and its broad software support base.
this is a practical issue. people wont just roll over to 2.0 or 2.2 just because smart programmers made them, and they work better. there are more pragmatic issues at stake here. if you dont take backwards compatibility into FULL account, people wont use your new version and just go with the old. as long as there are charitable people (in or outside the apache developer base) that fixes any security issues that are found out, they will just stay on 1.3. this WONT be good for either apache, or open source software in general.
i implore you, please do not be elitist or self righteous and try to force anything on the people. for, this is 'the people', leave aside not liking being forced (and hating self righteous behavior), this time they dont have the means and resources to do what they are forced either.
remember, software didnt build the web - people did it.
if a company starts branding their employees with rfid chips for the sake of 'security', and there is no law out about it, do we allow them to continue, because, there is no law about it, and say, the congress is not going to convene for another 2 months ? do we prevent a government agency from coming in and stopping the process, because, well, there is not a law for it ?
you need to read history of science and enlightenment.
the whole science started from the rational thought process. scientific method is just a derivative of rationalism.
the golden rule of i.t. applies here too : if it aint broke, dont fix it.
they couldnt have waited till fall or winter to put the movie forth. despite they had an assuredly successful franchise. the greed is SO big that they HAVE to make profit this summer. or else.
and they think the audience is just going to accept whatever put in front of them like pussies, which will probably be a huge deviation from what defined the franchise in the first place.
in the end they will just fuck up a great entertainment title for hasty profits. profits, fast profits before quality, even at the cost of totally destroying a profit making franchise.
another detrimental result of unbridled capitalism ....
ces, enjoy your bad publicity. also you will need to promote your next round with your own money, for we, the people on the internet wont be linking your greedfuck show around.
aol is not a polished provider. they have overeager spam filters marking legitimate emails mistakenly spam too often. they also block entire ip ranges to prevent 'spam'.
what this means is, someone using an aol email address will be regularly missing a lot of legitimate normal and business emails because aol either blocks their ip range en masse because it saw some spammers using zombies in that address block, (or some black sheep spamming from shared hosting) or their overeager spam filter marked it as spam.
it means that you are living in the digital age, but dont know zit about which service good or which service not. its like using a crappy phone service for business despite you have premier services available.
please tell me whether you would like to rely on decision theory, game theory or utilitarian techniques to handle life chances of your children or their sensitive private/critical information in a database.
logic and reason are the enemy of religion. the whole age of enlightenment and the demise of religion and the advent of scientific age has been moving on those two. and they have never stopped moving on their momentum up till now.
well,
its your job to make it work as it should like a citizen. when your car breaks down, do you just give up using cars because they may break down, or do you fix it and make it work. leaving the government out is just like letting go of cars when they break. you lose a very important and irreplacable tool.
your server app may be missing 1 out of 10 billion orders every month. or risk marking 1 out of 1 million emails mistakenly as spam.
1 out of that percentage may chance up on a big potential client's order/email, and your corporation may miss millions and you may even never know it.
or, 1 out of 10 billion some jerk may be able to hack your secure app and get millions of customer data.
see, it doesnt mean shit. some statistician coming up and saying 'its unlikely' or something doesnt mean shit. there is no statistics in this. it just should not happen.
them all...
how does that sound, zed ?
can you make a statistic out of the output of Da vinci ? can you statistically value the work output that was required to create mona lisa ? can you statistically measure the effect of mona lisa in the beholders' psyche ?
or, can you compare the efficiency and work output of monet to rembrandt ? or bach to handel ?
let me tell you. you fucking cant. because these are not quantifiable. its ART. it requires muse, talent, luck, inspiration, experience, practice, stars aligned in the right time, EVERY other kind of shit.
what the fsck does this have in relation to programming then ? listen, for its apparent that you dont know about programming enough, even in your current situation :
programming is little different than art. some people type out 10.000 lines of code doing multitudes of things, yet all of these provide nothing. one person puts out 50 lines of code, that that provides nothing either.
but in 3 years time, something happens, and the entire company's ass is saved by that 50 lines of code.
a brutally simple example, and a common one, but this should be enough to make the point.
i would sell any shares in a company that statistically tries to quantify the programmers. for, it means that they are one company that dont know shit about information technology, and sure is a company to miss any potential genius or groundbreaker even if they get their hands on one.
So you believe that rather than organizing your country to police corporate interests as you see fit within your own borders the better solution is to force your views upon our country through...what, war? I mean, any actions you took to start a war in the first place would seem to pretty much require the ability to completely take over or shut off any American Corporate interests in your country anyways, so why don't you spare the bloodshed and just do that if you really believe what your saying?
you see, this is a dilemma like radical islam vs the west. the west wants to leave radical islam in place, and not to be bothered by it. but, radical islam (actually islam) doesnt want to be contained in the bottle. instead, they infest the west through various means.
all the while the life under radical islam in middle east gets even worse, DESPITE the residents of those places want and even appreciate it.
the situation with your corporations is the same. a 40 to 50 % of you have been brainwashed with the idea that 'letting private interest do whatever they want' = democracy, and just giving them their way. in the end they make shit out of your ordinary daily lives. and just like radical islam, they dont stay in the bottle - they go infest other countries, and curb their democracies.
i dont need to do anything to cut out american private interests actually, or start a war to do it. american corporations, with their filth, are doing that. they have supported islamist parties to be able to make them do what they want, ie an unregulated environment in which they could easily play horse, and they got it. (most of that was done with your taxpayer money through bush & co admn. i might add). however, a natural result of this has been the advent and ascent of the islamic capital in turkey. the islam rooted private interest has grown to extreme power here. and they are increasingly radicalizing the country. despite the government seems pro western in the outside, it is underhandedly supporting anti west, especially anti american propaganda through innumerable means, leave aside almost entirety of the press.
given enough time at this rate, (at most maybe 10 years), turkey will have radicalized greatly and american corporate interests will be shut out forever by the islamist interests rooted in middle east.
you will be enjoying an islamist country which is muuuuch more dangerous than iran by then. enjoy your security threats.
Or are you just looking for someone to blame and lash out at in order to avoid dealing with the actual problems you have, and America seems like a convenient target? I mean, how in the hell did you get from the legality of the FCC's actions over p2p throttling to Turkey forming an alliance to declare war on America anyways? Does Comcast even have any foreign holdings or offer foreign services? Last I knew they only served like 40 or so states in the US.
no. because i know exactly how it happened :
in 1998, the Rand corporation (cia's unofficial pr arm) has published a report. the report said explicitly 'in order to further america's interests better, recep tayyip erdogan (current islamist prime minister) needs to be made the prime minister, and abdullah gul (current islamist president) needs to be made secretary of state.
in 2001-2002, these duo and their affiliates made numerous trips to washington, meeting with bush & co affiliates.
in 2002, these two founded a party. and just out of nowhere, without any history, this party suddenly was able to field unbelievable amount of funds in the elections campaign. they spent so much that their spending not only surpassed summation of ALL spendings in any political elections in turkey up to date, but could be compared to the national budget. they spent so much that it could be deemed unnecessarily lavish. turkey doesnt have that kind of money. notice, im not saying noone in turkey, im saying turkey doesnt have that kind of money.
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