It's like holding the landlord responsible if the tenant murders somebody on the property. Is it reasonable to assume that the landlord would have known about the murder to take place, assuming it is premeditated? Is it reasonable to assume responsibility for crimes of passion?
landlord is responsible with whom he leases the land to. definition of being a landlord includes performing landlord duties and shouldering its responsibilities. this includes assessing, getting to know, and following up with tenants.
otherwise, there would be nothing barring landlords from continually leasing their land to murderers who would pay higher. just like how shareholders do with corporations.
Making a farmer or teacher responsible for their share in a company they invested partly in for retirement is going too far. They lack the sophistication and access to resources to truly assess risk.
we are allowing people to reap benefits from things they cannot understand, fathom or use. and naturally, we are not holding them responsible from what they can not comprehend.
waiver of responsibility. no different from having to slap warnings against putting your cat in the oven on appliances. people dumber than the minimum requirement of systems and technologies we have in our modern day are using them.
long story short - whomever invests in something should be responsible with their investment. this may kill capitalism ? oh well.
Do some shady/shitty dealing and make big money. Then apologize for the mess you have caused. IF thats not enough and you get sued, pay some reparations which is ridiculously low compared to your profits.
This cycle is what is driving the society down under. What BP did, what Lockheed did, what intel did. im sure you know about what bp did last year - killed an entire ecosystem. you may also know about intel's bribery case with pc manufacturers. but you probably dont know what lockheed did - they have bribed nato country defense ministers to buy f104s over more capable aircraft. as a result numerous things happened, including, approx 600 nato pilots dying due to design deficiencies (it had a tendency to maul its tail on landing and take off - hence nicknamed flying coffin) over the years, british and other european aerospace industries died.
what happened ? lockheed was sued, then admitted to bribery, apologized, paid pathetic sums.
unless people running corporations AND their shareholders start being held responsible for their doings, these will continue.
Russia, going to that extent to repress ? They could have just beat down protesters like how u.s. police forces across the country did with FBI coordination.
as first person shooters become more realistic, do game developers have an obligation to include humanitarian elements?
i tell you that it is past time that they did ! i am gaming since 1986, and im telling you, i am about to puke war/carnage/slaughter/disaster and shit.
i really really fed up with games - one way its total carnage, mayhem, slaughter, killing, and the other way is stuff like sims 3/second life.
there is no middle area. its as if either carnage/mayhem or total opposite exists, if you view the world from games' perspective. TOTALLY unrealistic, and tiring.
so its high time they included humanitarian elements in games. and, humanitarian elements even in carnage/war/destruction games too. REALISM requires that.
yes. just search this site for surveillance, repression, censorship and public enemy practices by governments, corporation and even judiciary. it will be enough.
If the world uses more paper, then that will mean it has more space - not less - devoted to growing trees.
you used all those rationalizations, and in the end you laid such an egg like the above.
we use more paper, more space devoted to growing trees become available... REALLY ? the corporations will start growing trees, like responsible adults, and not instead deforest 3rd world countries cheaply to profit fast ?
do i have to give examples to the opposite of the proposed concept of responsibility ? wall street ? bp ? lockheed ? EVERY example in the last 2 decade go against your proposition.
Wrong about what, that the US and Canada are large paper consumers or that they've had the same levels of forest for 100 years?
that is because they are importing the paper cut overseas. if they cut down their own forests, they would lose them. the fact that there are a lot of other reasons for deforestation does not alleviate the fact that major industries cutting forests are paper, furniture, construction (mainly in america tho - other countries dont use wood in 21st century large scale construction), and real estate.
your proposition that there is no relevance in between recycling and keeping forests safe is not rational. decreasing factors contributing to deforestation will decrease deforestation.
than $60/hr in america. everything is much,much cheaper. in some respects, 14/hr in india will provide much better living standards than 60 in america.
the question is, why everything is so expensive in america - why they became so expensive, and why they are STILL staying so expensive, despite all the cost reductions due to outsourcing of manufacturing et al. cost of manufacturing shoes have gone to almost dime-level, but they are still being sold arond at least a few dozen bucks level. exorbitant profits.
this kills american competitiveness. corporations make exorbitant monies over americans, but they dont pay a reasonable percentage of what they make as salaries to americans. then americans make much less, and have to still live in an expensive world. all for shareholder betterment.
that being said, its possible for an american to compete easily at the 30/hr level. such a level, actually exists. indian programmers do not stay at $3, 5, 10/hr levels either - they jump ship going to higher hourlies. as far as what i can tell, a good one wont stay at 15/hr level either. so, everything normalizes at 30/hr level - those who are working at those hourly wages stay working with whomever they are working for a long time without jumping ships. this 'ship jumping under 30/hr level' also seems to contribute to the shitty work that is delivered under 15/hr. (you can still have good work done around 15/hr though).
Canada and the US are both large consumers of paper (and have been for a long time). They've had the pretty much the same levels of forest for 100 years.
thats canada and the u.s. are you aware that there are 190+ countries in addition to those two ?
At the end of each of his five years there, he sold off just enough of the company to meet his "profit" goals, leaving the company decimated when his time was up.
that's just stockholder capitalism. profit at whatever cost in the short run, jump to next corporation to fuck up.
At the level forests are declining around the world (one word - oxygen), i say good riddance to paper industry. There is no need to even comment on the fact that digitization has made paper almost obsolete (except for legal documents/contracts). Since the digital medium provides me much better usability for getting any kind of information (ranging from news to statistics, and recently even books), i dont think i will be looking back at any point.
Moneymaking over 'the new' thing starts. Before even HTML5 specification being completed even. This 'sell books, seminars over any possible shit in i.t.' has gotten out of hand.
As for "American" corporate culture, all corporations are there to make money, not just American corporations
only corps in america feel free to make money at WHATEVER cost. they know they will get away with a court fine much lower than the profits they made from what they would be sued for. ala intel, ala bp, ala lockheed. examples are many.
Normally the route of a true american corporate cultured corporation would be to deny everything and fool everyone and rip as much cash as it can. Until they were confronted at courts.
But now, amd marketing is rather needlessly contacting reviewers to make corrections, while taking a hit in p.r.
But is it really a hit ? Coupled with the fact that the new ceo kicked a lot of marketing staff, this tells me that the new term in amd is going to be a term reminiscent of early 90s in technology - a responsible era in which corporations have actually manufactured useful gadgets and sold them honestly, trying to get the edge on each other through tech - not with filthy dealings or deceit (hello intel and the bribery verdict)
1. people fail to take into account their unbillable hours when they look at these sorts of jobs. They count. Everything from their time on those job boards to the emails, etc.
2. People tend to ignore the additional tax burden, comparing their current "gross" part-time hourly rate with their previous net full-time hourly rate, plus the value of any benefits.
wrong and wrong -> they do. actually most of those $5/hr bids are from indian sweatshop companies. there is much planning behind those rates. not only the bidder's, but an entire company's.
3. People forget to include the value of vacation time and break times, which are paid when you work for someone else. Even a paid 10-minute break, twice a day, works out to an additional 83 hours of paid time over the course of a year. Throw in 2 weeks vacation, and that's an additional 8.15%. And that's not counting time for the occasional "visit to the powder room" or the occasional chat with a co-worker, or sleeping through a powerpoint.
youre still thinking with corporate mindset. some of the jobs you are doing will end up taking much less than the estimated hours. some of them will take longer. there is a going rate of tasks with different prices for every level, even if its the same task. so, if you are actually a competent, experienced contractor, you will be winning bids from their going rate or slightly lower, but you will always be completing them before their hours are used up.
for all the other stuff, what i said earlier applies.
The $847 is the average TOTAL income of the users, over the entire 12 year lifetime of the site, not the total value of the postings.
doesnt matter. there are thousands of people doing a $50 project and then going away.
A good initial spec states where you want to go, without specifying how you want to get there.
you are still thinking with outdated corporate mindset. the needs and requirements in 'people catering to people' market are much simpler and short run. teams are small. naturally, specification preparation is much simpler.
First, $847 average includes EVERYthing. ie, a project that asks 100 forum postings somewhere for advertisement per $0.5 per post, ending up as $50 as project price is also included in it. the 'give me a facebook clone for $100 it doesnt matter if it is a script' types are included. third, those who do serious projects take off of elance with their contractors after a while.
but fourth, excuse me but if you are just 'writing a half-decent initial spec for a project' for more than $800, you really are a relic of a bygone era. and expect way too much for way too little effort. i know such times were there, and i myself even saw the times where a simple webmaster that edits hyperlinks on a single page webpage made good living salary, but, we are not living in those times. you need to adjust. you are still stuck mentally on an age where corporations were paying exorbitant rates to rare i.t. professional. those times are past. corporations find numerous ways to pay dimes for a lot, and employ few.
its the time of 'by the people, for the people'. elance is such a place - those are awarding contracts there are people, individuals, or small businesses. they will NOT pay you $900 for you to just write 'half decent project spec'. you may land a $10,000 worth job that can pay you a good living, but the effort required will not be as little as you were sparing back in corporate times. but there is an upside - what's required wont also be as complex and quirky. so, it rather balances out.
do not fret. it is a tradeoff. with corporate past, you were the bitch of your corporation, at the whim of your corporation and your boss, living in a stressful environment (unless you are lucky) that was hideously competitive but you were paid exorbitantly for it - until the supply approximated demand anyway.
now with 'the people's market', you wont get paid exorbitant rates of the corporate era, but once you build up your reputation, you wont ever fear not being able to get another job, you will work with peers/customers who treat you as equal and whom you treat as equal, and you will be totally free of everything - from fixed hours to how you dress up to where you live ( go live at a mountaintop at nepal if you have an internet connection, customer doesnt care), what you do with whom ( you can have a sex change operation and client wouldnt know, or probably wouldnt care) - you got freedom.
im speaking of some 'corporate era' that is past. that is because towards our decade, corporations have gone truly (and appropriately) capitalist, drying out the employees by exploiting them, employing minimum, maximizing profit, and caring zit for any social responsibilities. in this era, people are only left with other people. and thats what places like elance means. people, working with people.
go there and start bidding for projects. work for $5/hr by bidding and winning such projects first. rack up 5-6 good feedback and build up your portfolio. then you can start bidding on more serious jobs with higher rates. from rate $30/hr and on, you will probably be working with one or two constant clients, and basically out of the market. you may have to get into software development in different stuff, like php/mysql/html/css. but, do it. its a wide and evergrowing field and there is increasing demand.
php is a growing field. the availability of cheap contractors and cheap/free software spurs growth in the number of clients, positions, and then this spurs growth of the contractors. i dont see it stopping any time into future.
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It's like holding the landlord responsible if the tenant murders somebody on the property. Is it reasonable to assume that the landlord would have known about the murder to take place, assuming it is premeditated? Is it reasonable to assume responsibility for crimes of passion?
landlord is responsible with whom he leases the land to. definition of being a landlord includes performing landlord duties and shouldering its responsibilities. this includes assessing, getting to know, and following up with tenants.
otherwise, there would be nothing barring landlords from continually leasing their land to murderers who would pay higher. just like how shareholders do with corporations.
Making a farmer or teacher responsible for their share in a company they invested partly in for retirement is going too far. They lack the sophistication and access to resources to truly assess risk.
we are allowing people to reap benefits from things they cannot understand, fathom or use. and naturally, we are not holding them responsible from what they can not comprehend.
waiver of responsibility. no different from having to slap warnings against putting your cat in the oven on appliances. people dumber than the minimum requirement of systems and technologies we have in our modern day are using them.
long story short - whomever invests in something should be responsible with their investment. this may kill capitalism ? oh well.
today, legal but unethical. tomorrow, barely legal and immoral. the day after, dodgeable illegal and bastardly.
this is the sequence of events once you start allowing/rationalizing/accepting what they do.
Do some shady/shitty dealing and make big money. Then apologize for the mess you have caused. IF thats not enough and you get sued, pay some reparations which is ridiculously low compared to your profits.
This cycle is what is driving the society down under. What BP did, what Lockheed did, what intel did. im sure you know about what bp did last year - killed an entire ecosystem. you may also know about intel's bribery case with pc manufacturers. but you probably dont know what lockheed did - they have bribed nato country defense ministers to buy f104s over more capable aircraft. as a result numerous things happened, including, approx 600 nato pilots dying due to design deficiencies (it had a tendency to maul its tail on landing and take off - hence nicknamed flying coffin) over the years, british and other european aerospace industries died.
what happened ? lockheed was sued, then admitted to bribery, apologized, paid pathetic sums.
unless people running corporations AND their shareholders start being held responsible for their doings, these will continue.
you cant solve issues of capitalism with unions. unions are just organizations that can be infiltrated, negated in a capitalist society.
the problem is with capitalism itself - in a dog eat dog world you end up with one big fat dog.
Russia, going to that extent to repress ? They could have just beat down protesters like how u.s. police forces across the country did with FBI coordination.
as first person shooters become more realistic, do game developers have an obligation to include humanitarian elements?
i tell you that it is past time that they did ! i am gaming since 1986, and im telling you, i am about to puke war/carnage/slaughter/disaster and shit.
i really really fed up with games - one way its total carnage, mayhem, slaughter, killing, and the other way is stuff like sims 3/second life.
there is no middle area. its as if either carnage/mayhem or total opposite exists, if you view the world from games' perspective. TOTALLY unrealistic, and tiring.
so its high time they included humanitarian elements in games. and, humanitarian elements even in carnage/war/destruction games too. REALISM requires that.
at this point ?
yes. just search this site for surveillance, repression, censorship and public enemy practices by governments, corporation and even judiciary. it will be enough.
The only route that is left to us at this point. in all countries, around entire world. we the people should just ignore those would-be controllers.
If the world uses more paper, then that will mean it has more space - not less - devoted to growing trees.
you used all those rationalizations, and in the end you laid such an egg like the above.
... REALLY ? the corporations will start growing trees, like responsible adults, and not instead deforest 3rd world countries cheaply to profit fast ?
we use more paper, more space devoted to growing trees become available
do i have to give examples to the opposite of the proposed concept of responsibility ? wall street ? bp ? lockheed ? EVERY example in the last 2 decade go against your proposition.
Wrong about what, that the US and Canada are large paper consumers or that they've had the same levels of forest for 100 years?
that is because they are importing the paper cut overseas. if they cut down their own forests, they would lose them. the fact that there are a lot of other reasons for deforestation does not alleviate the fact that major industries cutting forests are paper, furniture, construction (mainly in america tho - other countries dont use wood in 21st century large scale construction), and real estate.
your proposition that there is no relevance in between recycling and keeping forests safe is not rational. decreasing factors contributing to deforestation will decrease deforestation.
than $60/hr in america. everything is much,much cheaper. in some respects, 14/hr in india will provide much better living standards than 60 in america.
the question is, why everything is so expensive in america - why they became so expensive, and why they are STILL staying so expensive, despite all the cost reductions due to outsourcing of manufacturing et al. cost of manufacturing shoes have gone to almost dime-level, but they are still being sold arond at least a few dozen bucks level. exorbitant profits.
this kills american competitiveness. corporations make exorbitant monies over americans, but they dont pay a reasonable percentage of what they make as salaries to americans. then americans make much less, and have to still live in an expensive world. all for shareholder betterment.
that being said, its possible for an american to compete easily at the 30/hr level. such a level, actually exists. indian programmers do not stay at $3, 5, 10/hr levels either - they jump ship going to higher hourlies. as far as what i can tell, a good one wont stay at 15/hr level either. so, everything normalizes at 30/hr level - those who are working at those hourly wages stay working with whomever they are working for a long time without jumping ships. this 'ship jumping under 30/hr level' also seems to contribute to the shitty work that is delivered under 15/hr. (you can still have good work done around 15/hr though).
Canada and the US are both large consumers of paper (and have been for a long time). They've had the pretty much the same levels of forest for 100 years.
thats canada and the u.s. are you aware that there are 190+ countries in addition to those two ?
and, even in that, you are wrong :
https://www.google.com/search?q=usa+imports+paper&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
"The U.S. ranks 1st in paper imports Ranking America"
http://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/the-u-s-ranks-1st-in-paper-imports/
At the end of each of his five years there, he sold off just enough of the company to meet his "profit" goals, leaving the company decimated when his time was up.
that's just stockholder capitalism. profit at whatever cost in the short run, jump to next corporation to fuck up.
At the level forests are declining around the world (one word - oxygen), i say good riddance to paper industry. There is no need to even comment on the fact that digitization has made paper almost obsolete (except for legal documents/contracts). Since the digital medium provides me much better usability for getting any kind of information (ranging from news to statistics, and recently even books), i dont think i will be looking back at any point.
At least the marketing department hired someone with a clue
a moron you mean. makes the cover less trustworthy.
Moneymaking over 'the new' thing starts. Before even HTML5 specification being completed even. This 'sell books, seminars over any possible shit in i.t.' has gotten out of hand.
As for "American" corporate culture, all corporations are there to make money, not just American corporations
only corps in america feel free to make money at WHATEVER cost. they know they will get away with a court fine much lower than the profits they made from what they would be sued for. ala intel, ala bp, ala lockheed. examples are many.
With the new ceo ?
Normally the route of a true american corporate cultured corporation would be to deny everything and fool everyone and rip as much cash as it can. Until they were confronted at courts.
But now, amd marketing is rather needlessly contacting reviewers to make corrections, while taking a hit in p.r.
But is it really a hit ? Coupled with the fact that the new ceo kicked a lot of marketing staff, this tells me that the new term in amd is going to be a term reminiscent of early 90s in technology - a responsible era in which corporations have actually manufactured useful gadgets and sold them honestly, trying to get the edge on each other through tech - not with filthy dealings or deceit (hello intel and the bribery verdict)
1. people fail to take into account their unbillable hours when they look at these sorts of jobs. They count. Everything from their time on those job boards to the emails, etc. 2. People tend to ignore the additional tax burden, comparing their current "gross" part-time hourly rate with their previous net full-time hourly rate, plus the value of any benefits.
wrong and wrong -> they do. actually most of those $5/hr bids are from indian sweatshop companies. there is much planning behind those rates. not only the bidder's, but an entire company's.
3. People forget to include the value of vacation time and break times, which are paid when you work for someone else. Even a paid 10-minute break, twice a day, works out to an additional 83 hours of paid time over the course of a year. Throw in 2 weeks vacation, and that's an additional 8.15%. And that's not counting time for the occasional "visit to the powder room" or the occasional chat with a co-worker, or sleeping through a powerpoint.
youre still thinking with corporate mindset. some of the jobs you are doing will end up taking much less than the estimated hours. some of them will take longer. there is a going rate of tasks with different prices for every level, even if its the same task. so, if you are actually a competent, experienced contractor, you will be winning bids from their going rate or slightly lower, but you will always be completing them before their hours are used up.
for all the other stuff, what i said earlier applies.
They can't license their work as Free Software, because those license terms conflict with Apple's.
such ecosystems can legally and single handedly kill free software.
The $847 is the average TOTAL income of the users, over the entire 12 year lifetime of the site, not the total value of the postings.
doesnt matter. there are thousands of people doing a $50 project and then going away.
A good initial spec states where you want to go, without specifying how you want to get there.
you are still thinking with outdated corporate mindset. the needs and requirements in 'people catering to people' market are much simpler and short run. teams are small. naturally, specification preparation is much simpler.
First, $847 average includes EVERYthing. ie, a project that asks 100 forum postings somewhere for advertisement per $0.5 per post, ending up as $50 as project price is also included in it. the 'give me a facebook clone for $100 it doesnt matter if it is a script' types are included. third, those who do serious projects take off of elance with their contractors after a while.
but fourth, excuse me but if you are just 'writing a half-decent initial spec for a project' for more than $800, you really are a relic of a bygone era. and expect way too much for way too little effort. i know such times were there, and i myself even saw the times where a simple webmaster that edits hyperlinks on a single page webpage made good living salary, but, we are not living in those times. you need to adjust. you are still stuck mentally on an age where corporations were paying exorbitant rates to rare i.t. professional. those times are past. corporations find numerous ways to pay dimes for a lot, and employ few.
its the time of 'by the people, for the people'. elance is such a place - those are awarding contracts there are people, individuals, or small businesses. they will NOT pay you $900 for you to just write 'half decent project spec'. you may land a $10,000 worth job that can pay you a good living, but the effort required will not be as little as you were sparing back in corporate times. but there is an upside - what's required wont also be as complex and quirky. so, it rather balances out.
do not fret. it is a tradeoff. with corporate past, you were the bitch of your corporation, at the whim of your corporation and your boss, living in a stressful environment (unless you are lucky) that was hideously competitive but you were paid exorbitantly for it - until the supply approximated demand anyway.
now with 'the people's market', you wont get paid exorbitant rates of the corporate era, but once you build up your reputation, you wont ever fear not being able to get another job, you will work with peers/customers who treat you as equal and whom you treat as equal, and you will be totally free of everything - from fixed hours to how you dress up to where you live ( go live at a mountaintop at nepal if you have an internet connection, customer doesnt care), what you do with whom ( you can have a sex change operation and client wouldnt know, or probably wouldnt care) - you got freedom.
im speaking of some 'corporate era' that is past. that is because towards our decade, corporations have gone truly (and appropriately) capitalist, drying out the employees by exploiting them, employing minimum, maximizing profit, and caring zit for any social responsibilities. in this era, people are only left with other people. and thats what places like elance means. people, working with people.
elance.com
go there and start bidding for projects. work for $5/hr by bidding and winning such projects first. rack up 5-6 good feedback and build up your portfolio. then you can start bidding on more serious jobs with higher rates. from rate $30/hr and on, you will probably be working with one or two constant clients, and basically out of the market. you may have to get into software development in different stuff, like php/mysql/html/css. but, do it. its a wide and evergrowing field and there is increasing demand.
telecommuting negates age boundaries.
php is a growing field. the availability of cheap contractors and cheap/free software spurs growth in the number of clients, positions, and then this spurs growth of the contractors. i dont see it stopping any time into future.