what i learnt about africa, i learnt from my enthusiasm for history reading, and from those people i once knew, who actually volunteered and went to africa to work in the aid programs and did so.
however right your, and care's assessment about the aids destroying creation of a working economy there may be, you still cant leave people to die out of hunger during the transition period. hungry mouths must be fed.
i agree about your excerpt about monkeys.
a zillion is a fantastic exaggerration that conveys what one is trying to stress.
what kind of place is turkey to live in, turkish people even have no idea about. ill just leave it for its a long discussion.
you either didnt read the entirety of this thread, or you have some perception or short term memory issues.
i didnt bash westerners. i bashed an arrogant moron who was acting like a prick despite he didnt had single one of the qualities that made the western world what they are today. i started from erasmus and went on to perikles to french revolutionaries. for all i know, this is not bashing. this is teaching some lesson to someone who should have been in a 3rd world country, but somehow ended up in a western country and still acting like a prick.
yes turkey is throwing its lot with west, europe particularly and eventually it will make it there. however it does not mean that what is being done by megacorps is right. turkey has more stability and heritage, hence the megacorp horrors lived in africa and other 3rd world places are not felt here as much, but that still doesnt mean that the wanton behavior of these are not damaging the entire society. still, turkey is much more protected from the degree of evilness these crops exhibit in u.s. in the way they buy senators to the extent that parliamentary houses pass tailored laws like drones, yet, its still bad here too.
Habitat encrouchment and settlement of marginal lands is a big problem in Africa and in many other parts of the world. People shouldn't just live anywhere they damn well please, or at least shouldn't complain when Mother Nature bitch slaps them when they do, and defintely we shouldn't running in there every time with food aid unless it is apart of a movement to depopulate the area through birth-control or relocation.
that was one of the thoughts i have tried to say impliedly, but if i did i would be flamed with accusations of insensitivity. however this is correct.
So back to the original question. What is more valuable people or monkeys? Obviously the government thinks more highly of the monkeys, even though they are not even remotely endangered, which begs the question why? Either these people are living on or near a known animal santuary, which means they are most likely squators and the government has no sympathy for them. Or the people in power are playing some sort of game for either ethnic or economic reasons.
ill give a mutually beneficial philosophy answer : they are both important. we are not in a time of doom that we have to choose in between either humans or monkeys. we have the means, the power to preserve both parties. yet, there are factors that are preventing them, and these factors are not from natural reasons - but basic unbridled greed. as governments and organizations are not able to stand up to the megacorporations, there is only one force that can - the people. the public. basically, us. real problem needs to be solved, not the symptoms.
other than that your other assumptions may be true too, in that there is some game might be afoot.
do you see ourselves as being in the "course of history" you picture ? we have liquid shark repellants now for god's sake.
however in any case, africa is a big continent, and there are many possibilities. and in many parts of it humans are encroaching in forests. that is bad for not only wildlife, but us in that one of the existing 3 rainforest zones that feed the world most of its o2 is in africa. maybe humans should be relocated - as i said, there are much to be set right before it comes to monkeys, and even setting a few of them would probably liberate any locals from where they have migrated to make a living.
i actually abhor the idea of humans being unnatural. how come ? humans are a NATURAL result of the evolution on this planet, along with their technology and intelligence. what is unnatural is the way humans of this planet foolhardily harming their own ecosphere, their own sustenance with overuse and misuse of resources and total vandalism of their own environment - which is the thing they live in. if human society would smarten up to the fact that going mutually beneficial increases every chance of every specie on the face of the world, there would be nothing unnatural about humans.
nay, maybe i miscommunicated. or did not explain all parts of my point.
apex of evolution need not and should not be being on top of food chain. apex of evolution would be to be the governing body of a living, breathing, entirely integrated ecosphere of mutual relationships - no species grinding each other down by killing, yet every specie using byproduct of one or more species' activities. that would eliminate the instinct/gene to breed rapidly in many species too, like rabbits. is this possible ? yes. evolutionary history says so - a few billion years ago there were species that even ate their own species, leave aside others, yet today cannibalism is something that is rarely seen in species and our ecosphere is much more mild and plausible, and cooperative within itself than the ancient ecosphere of live and let die. if no stellar disasters happen to nuke earth ecosystem into oblivion, things will progress in that direction apparently.
in such an environment that would be the result of this process, impossible is possible. it would be possible to terraform land using other species, and tap untapped resources.
actually the abundance would get so overboard that noone would know what to do with the excess resources around.
none of them are mutually beneficial. because they are NOT mutually beneficial in nature.
a mutually beneficial solution does not need to be directly affecting both parties and in the subset they are put forth.
so both parties do not need to get immediate benefits from each other right from the actions of both parties on the time of the incident.
some mutually beneficial actions already have been spoken of, like relocating monkeys to a conservation zone. if we sit and think we can find more. im sure the wildlife preservation people in africa can think of much more.
word juggling and twisting only availed politicians with malicious intent, during the course of history. lets not do that. and you go read what i recently posted again.
getting a round in the head and then still being able to use computers would constitute the peak of toughness. and more so, in that they were 7.62 assault rifle rounds, not pansy 5.56 mms like u.s. army use - former blows off 1/5 of the body when touches, latter only wounds.
what i see lad, is you wandering around my posts in this thread, and cursing and swearing like there is no tomorrow.
it is evident that what i said touched some nerves. great leaps in vision and betterment of one's outlook starts this way. thats good, because this was the intent.
no. you were not advocating the rights of the villagers not to starve. you were being a harley davidson hard&tough marlboro man of a gun lover. to prevent villagers from starving you need to employ reason, and find the real cause. because if monkeys are averted in this case, they will be just replaced by a local "militia" that is "confiscating" the crops. and that wont make the news in neither kenya, nor slashdot.
i DO remember giving right treatment to a prick that was touting fine western qualities without having a single bit from any of them though. if that was an american, well, you americans have a lot of weeding out to do amongst your people.
its dead simple why we have to come up with a more mutually beneficial solution.
check out the evolution process.
when you dig around, you will see that its not being tougher or stronger or more aggressive that propels some species into higher evolutionary stages, but cooperation, mutually beneficial acts WITHIN the social structure of the species and with the other species. lets now examine examples :
stellar example - humans. the evolution of humans have gone parallel to their capacity of being cooperative within the specie or even the social unit, and therefore besting out dangers and dire situations. caring for the weak, protecting the infant, nurturing the needy were the strengths that allowed the early primate societies to be able to go into playing with this and that and come up with tools that were eventually to be used in survival.
lets get it further - humans have established mutually beneficial relations with many other species and caused both parties to thrive - wheat might be one of the most abundant plant specie on the face of the earth, and this is solely due to human dependence on them. same goes for cattle. they are protected, and they give out something in return. there are kinks to work out as to the degree of mutually beneficialness because we slaughter the cattle in parts of the relationship, but as with recent human history this will be evolving into a more mutually benefical relationship too.
taking human near history - in the last 2000 years, wars and aggressive acts have decreased in FREQUENCY and distribution to geography - compared to what it was before and after a brief stellar period during rome, you do not have any chance of a local raider living 100 km to you to come raid you, rape your wife and take your child as slave. therefore in the last 2000 years we have seen an increasingly consistent level of civilizational development. again, excluding rome, which is a real anomaly in regard to history - in that the modern concepts we still use are taken from rome, from the concept of apartment to modern law, and even medicine in parts.
you can increase examples just as you wish - there are seemingly weak fish and lobster species in the ocean that live together, one is acting as sentry and other is digging the hole both will live in. they never go further from each other than 10 cm. yet, in an ocean of many dangers, these two species best out many other species and thrive despite when compared to other species as a single unit, they should be long extinct. or the jellyfish - bacteria mutualism in southeastern asia.
therefore, it is conclusive that the acts which mutually benefit a specie and the other continually elevates the chances of both species. from this comes the conclusion that "we are further advanced since we need to find a less aggressive, more beneficial way". acting otherwise have brought many problems to the modern world, that are making the worldwide news today.
excuse me, im someone who did military service in a middle eastern country that has a guerilla warfare going on, and in the branch of it that is dealing with the terrorism. what did you say about wetting oneself ?
and you will come up republican in a few posts after this im sure.
megacorporations build factories and provide employment IN countries that are within the influence of western world, or arab world, or eastern-southeastern hemisphere of power. because these countries and areas, through their international organizations, wield power enough to be effective in what goes in their countries, and their stability and standing tradition makes the power of law applicable
africa is wild west. neither there are ANY nations there that can stand up to one single western country (one stellar example of belgium with its pathetic state after ww2 still being able to affect the fate of various african nations through assasination, manipulation, bribery and incitement through its secret service in the 60s), nor they have any valid and powerful inter-africa organization that can lift its head and say anything against some major western corporation does.
therefore the diamond mining, logging, oil drilling and mining operations done by there are exceedingly self serving, and low in numbers, because you dont have any public there to please with your employment numbers. you suck it dry and let it go, its that easy. there is not a SINGLE african country that western corporations have moved in and has political and social stability. except south africa, but it is an entirely different case.
i suggest you do a little research and get a wider social circle.
dimwit, did you go to africa and worked in ANY relief effort ? ill leave that out, because i know its impossible. did you just ever know any person that volunteered to go right into middle of africa and tried to feed the hungry ? note, im not even asking if you did or not, im asking if in your close circle did you have anyone to tell whats going on in there even second hand ?
ill answer for you - you DO NOT. therefore the bastardized "they are hungry for god's sakes" song you are singing out of your cozy armchair has no basis or effect.
get the below facts in your head from those who know before ever speaking again :
- zillions of tons of u.n. aid lands in all the affected countries
- majority of these aid NEVER leave where they land, because they are confiscated by "militia" at the moment they land. aid workers volunteered there are TOLD TO SIT ON THE SACKS OF FLOUR and watch out not to intimidate the incoming militia, because there is nothing else to do.
- militia sells them on the black market. needy rarely sees the food that have made into airport.
- government in those countries are unable to stop the militia, and at least one faction of 'militia' works for the government anyway
- africa social structure except places like senegal, arab-influenced countries, and south africa are still TRIBAL in nature, hence fractured like no society is fractured, and they have long standing enmities between them that go over hundreds of years and more
- therefore tribes prevent each other from getting aid in considerable number of cases, leaving out the fact that they slaughter each other with ak-47s, despite they dont have cash to buy food as a tribe, they do have cash to buy those.
- u.n. is powerless to do anything because the megacorporations of prominent member nations, those who sit in the security council have too much interests that are tied to the puppet dictatorships that are instilled there - those countries u.n. can persuade to send forces in there therefore comes from not proficient countries in regard to military operations, but other african countries that have the similar problems themselves.
- at the wake of this situation the ordinary people have to fend for themselves, and they increasingly encroach on forest and its resources, because its abundant
in this setting the problem is neither drought or monkeys or any other thing. it is the international political situation. there are droughts for a long time in many countries around the world, yet africa is the one to suffer famine. it is easily telling.
and yes, i DO feel bad for 'some monkeys'. those who have the capacity to feel bad, feels bad for creatures in distress, like the villagers.
yet those who has reason and logic, seeks out the solution to REAL problem. just described in above.
oh yea. i was the one that purported underdeveloped, violent, brutal methods and then came scorned other people because they were not from "a western country" and hence "underdeveloped and not worthy".
what i have spoke about are values fundamental to the existence of modern society. im wondering who is the moron who have been stupid enough to mod down a post which puts forth values of humanism, democracy, secularism, reason being transcendent of languages. because regardless of a bunch of "developed" kids toy with their mod points and discard these values as negligible when they try to lord over their "developedness" on someone from an "underdeveloped" part of the world or not, these values are superior and they are going to stay superior.
my english and my country may be "underdeveloped" but you apparently have been able to understand what i said despite my underdeveloped english in all your glory.
and before you even twitch your developed brain further to get what i mean, i would like to remind that not the language or the words or the linguistics of, but what is contained therein in an excerpt of text is all that matters.
human rights declaration was not in english. jean jacques rousseau, voltaire and others did not write the books that transferred the ideals that made the "western countries" of today what they are in english, erasmus did not preach his ideals that brought humanism into renaissance scene and eventually today, in english, french revolutionaries, who have put forth the first modern type of government, type of which you are now blabbering here and trying to lord over me, were not speaking english, aristoteles, diogenes, perikles did not know a word of english, and if they knew im sure they would speak it worse than me.
yet, you, a blabberscrap of an excuse for a citizen of a "developed" country, are openly trying to lord things that you know zilch about, over me, despite your ignorance of what made the country you so tout itself.
first, learn child. then speak. and if you are going to post blabberscrap on slashdot, try to do it as an anonymous coward, not actually with your own nickname.
A raiding party clearly needs to be made example of (harmed preferrably, but face it, it's Africa, they're getting killed.) So that the monkies return to a sustainable natural gathering method that would allow them to function smoothly and avoid attracting human ire in the long run. Failing the luxury of such a solution, the other viable alternative is moving the clan of monkeys entirely.
a raiding party is their sustainable natural gathering method. if you make them give up that, then you will be eradicating them. and, even if you kill half of a raiding party, in 1-2 generations, which wont be 1-2 years, they will have forgotten it.
actually what i think is no human here, especially anyone from the western countries that megacorps that suck the africa dry and powerless, hence unable to solve the famine are from have zero right to talk about a humans right to live.
Every year i.t. companies, especially online presences are shelling out heaploads of money at irrelevant and illogical online "ventures" to merge with their existing business.
Why some of the more sane ones gather a bid, get the magazine and make it what it should be like ?
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what i learnt about africa, i learnt from my enthusiasm for history reading, and from those people i once knew, who actually volunteered and went to africa to work in the aid programs and did so.
however right your, and care's assessment about the aids destroying creation of a working economy there may be, you still cant leave people to die out of hunger during the transition period. hungry mouths must be fed.
i agree about your excerpt about monkeys.
a zillion is a fantastic exaggerration that conveys what one is trying to stress.
you either didnt read the entirety of this thread, or you have some perception or short term memory issues.
i didnt bash westerners. i bashed an arrogant moron who was acting like a prick despite he didnt had single one of the qualities that made the western world what they are today. i started from erasmus and went on to perikles to french revolutionaries. for all i know, this is not bashing. this is teaching some lesson to someone who should have been in a 3rd world country, but somehow ended up in a western country and still acting like a prick.
yes turkey is throwing its lot with west, europe particularly and eventually it will make it there. however it does not mean that what is being done by megacorps is right. turkey has more stability and heritage, hence the megacorp horrors lived in africa and other 3rd world places are not felt here as much, but that still doesnt mean that the wanton behavior of these are not damaging the entire society. still, turkey is much more protected from the degree of evilness these crops exhibit in u.s. in the way they buy senators to the extent that parliamentary houses pass tailored laws like drones, yet, its still bad here too.
Habitat encrouchment and settlement of marginal lands is a big problem in Africa and in many other parts of the world. People shouldn't just live anywhere they damn well please, or at least shouldn't complain when Mother Nature bitch slaps them when they do, and defintely we shouldn't running in there every time with food aid unless it is apart of a movement to depopulate the area through birth-control or relocation.
that was one of the thoughts i have tried to say impliedly, but if i did i would be flamed with accusations of insensitivity. however this is correct.
So back to the original question. What is more valuable people or monkeys? Obviously the government thinks more highly of the monkeys, even though they are not even remotely endangered, which begs the question why? Either these people are living on or near a known animal santuary, which means they are most likely squators and the government has no sympathy for them. Or the people in power are playing some sort of game for either ethnic or economic reasons.
ill give a mutually beneficial philosophy answer : they are both important. we are not in a time of doom that we have to choose in between either humans or monkeys. we have the means, the power to preserve both parties. yet, there are factors that are preventing them, and these factors are not from natural reasons - but basic unbridled greed. as governments and organizations are not able to stand up to the megacorporations, there is only one force that can - the people. the public. basically, us. real problem needs to be solved, not the symptoms.
other than that your other assumptions may be true too, in that there is some game might be afoot.
Gecko45 is not here. He didnt make it back from peru.
its considered roughly equal with suggesting killing of weak animals.
do you see ourselves as being in the "course of history" you picture ? we have liquid shark repellants now for god's sake.
however in any case, africa is a big continent, and there are many possibilities. and in many parts of it humans are encroaching in forests. that is bad for not only wildlife, but us in that one of the existing 3 rainforest zones that feed the world most of its o2 is in africa. maybe humans should be relocated - as i said, there are much to be set right before it comes to monkeys, and even setting a few of them would probably liberate any locals from where they have migrated to make a living.
i actually abhor the idea of humans being unnatural. how come ? humans are a NATURAL result of the evolution on this planet, along with their technology and intelligence. what is unnatural is the way humans of this planet foolhardily harming their own ecosphere, their own sustenance with overuse and misuse of resources and total vandalism of their own environment - which is the thing they live in. if human society would smarten up to the fact that going mutually beneficial increases every chance of every specie on the face of the world, there would be nothing unnatural about humans.
nay, maybe i miscommunicated. or did not explain all parts of my point.
apex of evolution need not and should not be being on top of food chain. apex of evolution would be to be the governing body of a living, breathing, entirely integrated ecosphere of mutual relationships - no species grinding each other down by killing, yet every specie using byproduct of one or more species' activities. that would eliminate the instinct/gene to breed rapidly in many species too, like rabbits. is this possible ? yes. evolutionary history says so - a few billion years ago there were species that even ate their own species, leave aside others, yet today cannibalism is something that is rarely seen in species and our ecosphere is much more mild and plausible, and cooperative within itself than the ancient ecosphere of live and let die. if no stellar disasters happen to nuke earth ecosystem into oblivion, things will progress in that direction apparently.
in such an environment that would be the result of this process, impossible is possible. it would be possible to terraform land using other species, and tap untapped resources.
actually the abundance would get so overboard that noone would know what to do with the excess resources around.
its not the toughness or rebel, hardy composition that is harmful, it is the lack of sensitivity and care.
like comparing paladins to mongol raiders.
none of them are mutually beneficial. because they are NOT mutually beneficial in nature.
a mutually beneficial solution does not need to be directly affecting both parties and in the subset they are put forth.
so both parties do not need to get immediate benefits from each other right from the actions of both parties on the time of the incident.
some mutually beneficial actions already have been spoken of, like relocating monkeys to a conservation zone. if we sit and think we can find more. im sure the wildlife preservation people in africa can think of much more.
word juggling and twisting only availed politicians with malicious intent, during the course of history. lets not do that. and you go read what i recently posted again.
getting a round in the head and then still being able to use computers would constitute the peak of toughness. and more so, in that they were 7.62 assault rifle rounds, not pansy 5.56 mms like u.s. army use - former blows off 1/5 of the body when touches, latter only wounds.
what i see lad, is you wandering around my posts in this thread, and cursing and swearing like there is no tomorrow.
it is evident that what i said touched some nerves. great leaps in vision and betterment of one's outlook starts this way. thats good, because this was the intent.
no. you were not advocating the rights of the villagers not to starve. you were being a harley davidson hard&tough marlboro man of a gun lover. to prevent villagers from starving you need to employ reason, and find the real cause. because if monkeys are averted in this case, they will be just replaced by a local "militia" that is "confiscating" the crops. and that wont make the news in neither kenya, nor slashdot.
i dont remember making fun of americans.
i DO remember giving right treatment to a prick that was touting fine western qualities without having a single bit from any of them though. if that was an american, well, you americans have a lot of weeding out to do amongst your people.
its dead simple why we have to come up with a more mutually beneficial solution.
check out the evolution process.
when you dig around, you will see that its not being tougher or stronger or more aggressive that propels some species into higher evolutionary stages, but cooperation, mutually beneficial acts WITHIN the social structure of the species and with the other species. lets now examine examples :
stellar example - humans. the evolution of humans have gone parallel to their capacity of being cooperative within the specie or even the social unit, and therefore besting out dangers and dire situations. caring for the weak, protecting the infant, nurturing the needy were the strengths that allowed the early primate societies to be able to go into playing with this and that and come up with tools that were eventually to be used in survival.
lets get it further - humans have established mutually beneficial relations with many other species and caused both parties to thrive - wheat might be one of the most abundant plant specie on the face of the earth, and this is solely due to human dependence on them. same goes for cattle. they are protected, and they give out something in return. there are kinks to work out as to the degree of mutually beneficialness because we slaughter the cattle in parts of the relationship, but as with recent human history this will be evolving into a more mutually benefical relationship too.
taking human near history - in the last 2000 years, wars and aggressive acts have decreased in FREQUENCY and distribution to geography - compared to what it was before and after a brief stellar period during rome, you do not have any chance of a local raider living 100 km to you to come raid you, rape your wife and take your child as slave. therefore in the last 2000 years we have seen an increasingly consistent level of civilizational development. again, excluding rome, which is a real anomaly in regard to history - in that the modern concepts we still use are taken from rome, from the concept of apartment to modern law, and even medicine in parts.
you can increase examples just as you wish - there are seemingly weak fish and lobster species in the ocean that live together, one is acting as sentry and other is digging the hole both will live in. they never go further from each other than 10 cm. yet, in an ocean of many dangers, these two species best out many other species and thrive despite when compared to other species as a single unit, they should be long extinct. or the jellyfish - bacteria mutualism in southeastern asia.
therefore, it is conclusive that the acts which mutually benefit a specie and the other continually elevates the chances of both species. from this comes the conclusion that "we are further advanced since we need to find a less aggressive, more beneficial way". acting otherwise have brought many problems to the modern world, that are making the worldwide news today.
be as it may be, im not an impolite person. only after you.
excuse me, im someone who did military service in a middle eastern country that has a guerilla warfare going on, and in the branch of it that is dealing with the terrorism. what did you say about wetting oneself ?
and you will come up republican in a few posts after this im sure.
megacorporations build factories and provide employment IN countries that are within the influence of western world, or arab world, or eastern-southeastern hemisphere of power. because these countries and areas, through their international organizations, wield power enough to be effective in what goes in their countries, and their stability and standing tradition makes the power of law applicable
africa is wild west. neither there are ANY nations there that can stand up to one single western country (one stellar example of belgium with its pathetic state after ww2 still being able to affect the fate of various african nations through assasination, manipulation, bribery and incitement through its secret service in the 60s), nor they have any valid and powerful inter-africa organization that can lift its head and say anything against some major western corporation does.
therefore the diamond mining, logging, oil drilling and mining operations done by there are exceedingly self serving, and low in numbers, because you dont have any public there to please with your employment numbers. you suck it dry and let it go, its that easy. there is not a SINGLE african country that western corporations have moved in and has political and social stability. except south africa, but it is an entirely different case.
i suggest you do a little research and get a wider social circle.
dimwit, did you go to africa and worked in ANY relief effort ? ill leave that out, because i know its impossible. did you just ever know any person that volunteered to go right into middle of africa and tried to feed the hungry ? note, im not even asking if you did or not, im asking if in your close circle did you have anyone to tell whats going on in there even second hand ?
ill answer for you - you DO NOT. therefore the bastardized "they are hungry for god's sakes" song you are singing out of your cozy armchair has no basis or effect.
get the below facts in your head from those who know before ever speaking again :
- zillions of tons of u.n. aid lands in all the affected countries
- majority of these aid NEVER leave where they land, because they are confiscated by "militia" at the moment they land. aid workers volunteered there are TOLD TO SIT ON THE SACKS OF FLOUR and watch out not to intimidate the incoming militia, because there is nothing else to do.
- militia sells them on the black market. needy rarely sees the food that have made into airport.
- government in those countries are unable to stop the militia, and at least one faction of 'militia' works for the government anyway
- africa social structure except places like senegal, arab-influenced countries, and south africa are still TRIBAL in nature, hence fractured like no society is fractured, and they have long standing enmities between them that go over hundreds of years and more
- therefore tribes prevent each other from getting aid in considerable number of cases, leaving out the fact that they slaughter each other with ak-47s, despite they dont have cash to buy food as a tribe, they do have cash to buy those.
- u.n. is powerless to do anything because the megacorporations of prominent member nations, those who sit in the security council have too much interests that are tied to the puppet dictatorships that are instilled there - those countries u.n. can persuade to send forces in there therefore comes from not proficient countries in regard to military operations, but other african countries that have the similar problems themselves.
- at the wake of this situation the ordinary people have to fend for themselves, and they increasingly encroach on forest and its resources, because its abundant
in this setting the problem is neither drought or monkeys or any other thing. it is the international political situation. there are droughts for a long time in many countries around the world, yet africa is the one to suffer famine. it is easily telling.
and yes, i DO feel bad for 'some monkeys'. those who have the capacity to feel bad, feels bad for creatures in distress, like the villagers.
yet those who has reason and logic, seeks out the solution to REAL problem. just described in above.
ha ha ha yeah hahaha.
toughie, come back after you are conscripted to a real military service and ordered to shoot to kill and learnt what being 'tough' means.
oh yea. i was the one that purported underdeveloped, violent, brutal methods and then came scorned other people because they were not from "a western country" and hence "underdeveloped and not worthy".
what i have spoke about are values fundamental to the existence of modern society. im wondering who is the moron who have been stupid enough to mod down a post which puts forth values of humanism, democracy, secularism, reason being transcendent of languages. because regardless of a bunch of "developed" kids toy with their mod points and discard these values as negligible when they try to lord over their "developedness" on someone from an "underdeveloped" part of the world or not, these values are superior and they are going to stay superior.
my english and my country may be "underdeveloped" but you apparently have been able to understand what i said despite my underdeveloped english in all your glory.
and before you even twitch your developed brain further to get what i mean, i would like to remind that not the language or the words or the linguistics of, but what is contained therein in an excerpt of text is all that matters.
human rights declaration was not in english. jean jacques rousseau, voltaire and others did not write the books that transferred the ideals that made the "western countries" of today what they are in english, erasmus did not preach his ideals that brought humanism into renaissance scene and eventually today, in english, french revolutionaries, who have put forth the first modern type of government, type of which you are now blabbering here and trying to lord over me, were not speaking english, aristoteles, diogenes, perikles did not know a word of english, and if they knew im sure they would speak it worse than me.
yet, you, a blabberscrap of an excuse for a citizen of a "developed" country, are openly trying to lord things that you know zilch about, over me, despite your ignorance of what made the country you so tout itself.
first, learn child. then speak. and if you are going to post blabberscrap on slashdot, try to do it as an anonymous coward, not actually with your own nickname.
a raiding party is their sustainable natural gathering method. if you make them give up that, then you will be eradicating them. and, even if you kill half of a raiding party, in 1-2 generations, which wont be 1-2 years, they will have forgotten it.
actually what i think is no human here, especially anyone from the western countries that megacorps that suck the africa dry and powerless, hence unable to solve the famine are from have zero right to talk about a humans right to live.
Every year i.t. companies, especially online presences are shelling out heaploads of money at irrelevant and illogical online "ventures" to merge with their existing business.
Why some of the more sane ones gather a bid, get the magazine and make it what it should be like ?