they do not do anything related to computer science there! it's all plain business.
good morning. business has been always about business. not only in i.t., but in all fields of business and trade. if you were trying to do "science" in a non r&d unit, you were not fit for that position at all.
"if the H1B's were not available, companies would pay more for skills in short supply, students would have more incentive to gain those skills, and the imbalance would be corrected."
IT is a very, very fast field. Stalling for 4-6 years for what you propose to take effect means losing the edge on all fronts of it. Already indians have a massive software presence. What you said would just detoriate u.s. position further, and add more countries next to india that are ahead of u.s. or will get ahead of u.s. in volume and later in quality. Maybe you dont know but pay rates for indian developers are also rising - as the cheap labor in that market has also became somewhat saturated.
democrats are lesser of the two evils. they can waver when screwing people behind their back, but republicans rarely do. i doubt that mafiaa and shitaa ever needs to bribe republicans as they do dems.
Here, just right now, looking through the window, there is a 20 year old apartment block that has its flats, windows and balconies organized in similar fashion to windows organizes "windows" - on top of each other.
what is it going to be now ? sue the apartment builders who built this building 20 years ago, or sue right holders to apartment who bought the flats 20 years ago because some idiot in patent office awarded something OVERly common in real life for the last 2000 years (since rome) to a smartpants applying from microsoft ?
it is evident that current patent/intellectual property system is wrong.
See what it has become - something that is exploitable to the extent that people can propose LIFETIME imprisonment.
if anything, any concept or practice comes to this point, it becomes evident that it is wrong and harmful.
lets see what intellectual property has become :
nth generation inheritors still living lavishly on a single book their ancestors had produced 100 years ago, without giving anything to society.
big publishers enjoying a practical monopoly of the creative market, sign on promising talents, and thereby force (or try to force) entire population of earth to go through them to reach mankind's fruits of creativity.
same big publishers are utilizing connections and bribing statesmen so that their monopoly wont be broken, but furthered, in the expense of modern democratic rights and values.
A scoundrel's collection of lawyers, posing as RIAA, extorting and intimidating people arbitrarily, without even feeling the need to provide valid proof before accusing someone and demanding surrender.
combined, all these have reached a point that the intellectual property exploit parties are now insolently demanding that their hold on society be ratified and furthered with LIFETIME imprisonment. get a load of that. This is no less than INDENTURED servitude of 17th century. make one mistake, sign one paper and you are goner.
this is not what free countries of the earth were founded for. in every country every citizen has the right to take up arms against a state that compromises the principles of democracy and unjust. United states was founded in this fashion, and has open statements to that effect.
It is evident that intellectual property concept has to be revised fundamentally, to prevent such abuses and insolence. its current state is a one that it has started actually hampering free trade, freedom of choice, competition and civil rights.
"anything good for business is good" - this is the logic. see where this leads. People are going to be slaves to "intellectual property holder" elite, a new class of elite. LIFETIME imprisonment. DMCA takedowns - get a load of that - what a way to suppress free speech if need be.
act now. blow your congressman's/senator's ear off.
I am turkish, and i know what CV is, due to the unfortunately overboardly serious university education craze we have here. Despite the climate concerns frightens me (im a mediterranean, cold is not a concept that i am much used to) ill still send a contemporary resume.
And theres a total simple reason for that - the need to ensure content is delivered to the other side.
previously it was low bandwidth and specs of computers that prevented the bells and whistles of the kind in this "2.0" being put on websites/services - the visitor's bw and computer wouldnt been able to handle all the load, so they were very scarcely used.
now there is bandwidth. there is processing power. one would think that thing is solved now, and anyone could go on using cool widgets and whatnot in their sites.
on the contrary.
in the last 15 years, everything became more complicated. not only the number of programs that are installed on any computer and their diversity increased, but we also now have :
- Menacing viruses, trojans
- Hellish spam
- Valid privacy concerns ranging from simple cookie usage to self-installing toolbars and more
- Phishing, credit card fraud/stealing stuff
- Cross site scripting and other remote exploits
Some of these directly affect '2.0' stuff, some of them affect it combined with others.
To battle these, we have firewalls, anti-virus, trojan programs, privacy programs, all-in-ones, more and more os settings towards security, browser measures towards security and stuff.
So theres an increasingly complex environment being created in clients' computers with each passing year. To deliver any content, you have to pass through all these obstacles, and with any increasing amount of client-side running elements (javascript, activex and more) you introduce to this equation the lower your chances of getting to client gets.
and even when you reach the clients' screen, there is the problem of whether your content is being displayed as you want it to, or twisted due to interference from any "Security" and/or os stuff.
On the other hand of the spectrum, NO clients' computer refuses plain text data coming from a website.
So best bet for a website to reach the clients assuredly is to go for css, html and images in rendering the webpage that is prepared server-side, and then send it to client.
For anything on web, reach is of paramount importance. The less people you can reach due to ANYTHING, be it security concerns or low system specs, you lose business/exposure.
some sites and establishments can afford it. they are big. it wouldnt change much if they lost 5% of their visitors who utilize a site that brings the establishment, like, $2-3 income per visitor. that would still be a considerable amount if you ask accountants and economists, but, technology wise such an establishment can make this sacrifice for the sake of "coolness", which will be an investment in terms of popularity.
but, small sites and establishments, which constitute majority of the web can not afford this.
a small estore might be getting 1000 unique visitors a day, and it is probable that one of the lost 5%, 50 people, would place an order for thousands of dollars. same goes for consultancy companies, businesses and such, which do deals of tens of thousands of dollars with one source. for content sites that are just building up, losing 50 people a day might mean that they would be losing maybe 4-5 people who might be major contributors to site content.
so, web 2.0 MIGHT be an acceptable hype for big boys for now. Catch the emphasis here - FOR NOW.
it is DEFINITE that as the number of sites using client-side stuff increase, anti virus and security software will be forced to adapt to allow them. and the more stuff allowed to run client side, there will be more channels for hackers, trojaners, virus spreaders to exploit. hacking is one thing, but exploiting through already permitted channels is some other thing. you can do major stuff if you can get a channel to a client's computer that way. possibilities are endless.
so, for now hype around "2.0" might be continuing, but, sooner or later we will see the security side of the issue coming up on top. the longer it takes, the bigger the turmoil will be. already there are many concerns and cases that relate to client side stuff like activex, and i dont need to mention javascript, and more to follow.
early 19th and 20th century attempts by the french for any kind of european unity were imperialistic grandeur charades. start with napoleon go towards napoleon XXXXVCCMM or whatever. yet, they still continue the same kind of philosophy in european matters, which is despicable. no country is another's bitch. french should have understood that by now, but heck, they havent. do you think the coal deal would have got off if france was not battered with ww2, with broken pride, and kept low at that time ? would the other countries accept france to the deal in equal terms if they behaved as pompously and arrogantly they do when they are not under occupation or battered after a war ? like now ? i guess not.
corruption is rooted in tradesmen culture of turkey. from older generations, such "quick wits" are seen as a sign of "good tradesmanship". itll only change in 30 years when old generations get their tickets out of this world.
we are trying to preserve and further the secular republic. but clueless international community, and eu commissioners are not helping at all. they think that because they have rubber stamped democratically inclined laws, akp, the islamist party is pro-democracy. yet, akp uses "eastern cunning" in this matter - they know that laws are realized by bureaucracy and police, and they staff bureaucracy and police with islamist appointees, which has began to slowly practice islamist approac in all levels. police does not beat illegal demonstrators calling for sharia, but beats social democrats in the ground whenever they see them in a demonstration, even if permitted and legal. especially they stuff education ministry with islamists, they want to brainwash kids in government schools too, apart from their establishments. the fact is, ministries appoint these people, and this is in the hands of prime minister and 3-4 ministers, not the assembly. however democratic assembly happens to be, it can not effect islamisation or non islamisation of the country. this is why the army is a key factor in protecting secularism here, as it is the only organization that islamists were not able to infiltrate yet.
now, microsoft is trying to scare off potential linux migrations by alleging infringement of microsoft intellectual shit. (i can not dare say property because theres so much crap and shit they patented).
but, despite linux community's challenge, they are not saying what infringes upon their iS., neither they are suing, yet.
lets say that major players migrated to linux, then, lets say that there REALLY was code in linux infringing microsoft's, and then microsoft sued these companies.
now, at this point, wouldnt microsoft's position be of the one that manipulates, and hides the truth from justice until it can exploit justice to acquire undeserved compensation through reparation lawsuits ?
in turkey for example, if you allege someone of some crime publicly, you HAVE to come up with its evidence. else, you yourself get sued.
wont microsoft be in knee deep shit because of this hide and seek manipulation when the time comes ?
I had to make a quick run to the toilet, i hastily emptied my load, only to realize that i probably have violated one of Microsoft's Patents covering the technique of "Online Shitting"
Don't tell me France was so powerful it has succeeded in forcing the metric system on all the world except three countries. If it has, then you can't speak of "delusions of grandeur".
late 19th century. france WAS a superpower than. it didnt start to lose that status until united states have ended isolation policy at the start of the 20th century, and have lost the status totally with ww2, along with great britain. countries were not fast to adapt to that situation. so, talking from a live example, for example from turkey, after 1945-50, when it was realized that france was not a superpower, and its language was not the dominant diplomatic and trade language anymore, there were still too many schools teaching french and too many textbooks/teachers teaching french in government schools to do the switch (even if they were able to fully realize it) that, generations born between 1945-1960 still learned french as a foreign language here. same goes with metric system. at the end of 19th century, france with britain was still seen at the forefront of technological development. so many countries adapted that system naturally.
isnt asking nato to algeria a horrendous reason to oust french enough ? totally out of charter, out of context ? to the contrary to what you say, between 1985-2000 here, when i was following the "Defense press" and news, we were hearing french trying to gave directions to nato affairs despite they werent on the military wing of it.
i am sure of the frenchmen's snobness that come here. the tradesmen here are annoyed mostly with french. not german, who are too clunky, not russians, who are too rude, not any other nation but french are known for their uppishness. they try to force people to speak french until they have no choice but to speak english themselves. all tradesmen here behaves accordingly. its not a subjective and uncommon view.
I hope I'll live to see Turkey a proud member of the European Union.
taking turkey in if turkey goes like this in the hands of islamic governments, this would be the swift suicide of european union. islamic radicalism is only setting foot in netherlands, france, belgium and germany, but there are already "universities" who are teaching youngsters according to sharia rules in these countries. im not even talking about "dormitories" that take in boarding students and bombard them with sharia propaganda. such kind of arrangements are rife in here, turkey in central anatolia konya region, and if turkey joins eu in this state, hordes of radical islamists will be pouring in there to triple, quadruple the momentum there. only germany is fighting back, france, netherlands and belgium are too paralyzed with the wrongful application of human rights to a faction that will deprive anyone of any basical human right (see the contradiction) just because it is ordered by their own religion. as an example of what this extremism is capable of even in the state that its not mass mobilized - 3 youngsters who were grown up in such a boarding school slit the throats of 3 people in malatya, central anatolia just because they were printing bibles and giving out to whomever interested. 2 of the killed were christians. 3 youngsters from a boarding school slit their throats behind their backs. this is just an instantaneous result of the hatred propaganda they preach in those schools. pray that secular movement in turkey succeeds, and a secular party wins, and roots out the oncoming radical islamism - all because of seemingly "democratic" government we have here now - they try to seem democratic and pro-freedom to europe to get support, yet their prime minister openly states that he "gets on the democracy train whenever he wants and he gets off of it whenever he wants" (he means when its not compliant with islam he lets go of democracy).
Wow wow wow ! You probably hate the Greeks because of Alexandre, the Persians because of Cyrus, the Mongols because of Gengis Kh
So? Just read around a bit on the history of trying to unite Europe in France. It goes way back. France had such an important role in setting up the foundations for this that it is entirely fair to say they founded the EU. It is no coincidence that treaty that started the ECSC was the treaty of Paris. Also look at the countries that signed in. These are all neighboring countries of France (if you take the Benelux as one).
excuse me, are you talking about napoleonic megalomania of "uniting europe" or, european union delusions de grandeur that we are experiencing as of now ? i mean the thing that irritates british public out of eu and annoys germans, and keeps italians silent ? french arrogance in pushing their agenda down on close to a billion people continent ?
(by the way, I'm from the Netherlands. I'd welcome Turkey in the EU, but come on, I've heard Turkish people give their own government so much flack, but when another country is a bit critical, you guys get all angry)
Turkish people are giving their current government too much flak because that current government is silently staffing all administrative, education, police and judiciary branches of the state with extreme islamists. Their agenda is an islamic republic, only milder than iran. I dont need to tell you what that would mean for modernity of turkey, heck, leave aside what doom would it bring to europe.
my critisizm for french do not come from national traits turks have here. i have an affinity for history, and i do history reading in my spare times. my problem with the french is their constant delusions de grandeur, which makes them squander even their own inventions/revolutions (like in 1805 when a short megalomaniac ruined down an entire revolution, aided by delusional french population), and attempt to push down/bully anyone who affiliates with them.
first of all, that guy said french started the eu. your own links too say to the contrary. so ill pass on this.
chirac-official tantrum was not an isolated incident. we are in turkey, and we are unfortunately closely following what goes within eu, maybe better than eu citizens due to our candidate status and the antipathy turkish people has against some eu matters, thanks to our media. there are many other cases that french tried to put forth french ways as the ways of the eu, and thats not counting the disneyland incident in which they have shown extreme hostility against anything non french, and the idiots who come to vacation here to turkey and refuse to speak english even though they know how to.
lets see, what else. oh yes. they have "withdrawn" themselves from the military wing of nato, do not supply anything militarily, but still try to participate in decision process and have equality to decide where and how nato forces, sons of other nato member countries except french will die. another "frenchiness".
by the time metric system was invented and put forth, france was a superpower. they are STILL trying to behave like a superpower, even though they are not. people mentioned why i didnt type those things about usa. its not necessary, if france had the power, it would act more aggressively than usa. We know it here in turkey due to our 200 year old history in international relations with them, and the fact that people that grew up 4 generations ago were taught french as secondary language due to french influence, and they have nothing to do with it now. this is the way of french, from frankish times to modern times - same with screw-up of the french revolution, only one major good thing they did for this world, with delusions de grandeur again, with the help of a egotistic short megalomaniac, and turning the whole republic into an empire charade and trying to force everyone submit to it.
french did not start eu. thats so 'french' again. more than one country started eu as an economic society for coal trade, after ww2. French has been trying to monopolize everything about eu since.
its not united states either. united states does not try to impose its standards on every nation in the world. french, do. start from metric system and go up to trying to make their language official language of eu despite there are hordes of people in eu that have no idea what french sounds like.
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good morning. business has been always about business. not only in i.t., but in all fields of business and trade. if you were trying to do "science" in a non r&d unit, you were not fit for that position at all.
IT is a very, very fast field. Stalling for 4-6 years for what you propose to take effect means losing the edge on all fronts of it. Already indians have a massive software presence. What you said would just detoriate u.s. position further, and add more countries next to india that are ahead of u.s. or will get ahead of u.s. in volume and later in quality. Maybe you dont know but pay rates for indian developers are also rising - as the cheap labor in that market has also became somewhat saturated.
People with no knowledge of history shouldnt get moderator points, lest they mod facts down as flamebait.
democrats are lesser of the two evils. they can waver when screwing people behind their back, but republicans rarely do. i doubt that mafiaa and shitaa ever needs to bribe republicans as they do dems.
about software patents.
Here, just right now, looking through the window, there is a 20 year old apartment block that has its flats, windows and balconies organized in similar fashion to windows organizes "windows" - on top of each other.
what is it going to be now ? sue the apartment builders who built this building 20 years ago, or sue right holders to apartment who bought the flats 20 years ago because some idiot in patent office awarded something OVERly common in real life for the last 2000 years (since rome) to a smartpants applying from microsoft ?
it is evident that current patent/intellectual property system is wrong.
So the thing will explode in ms's face.
See what it has become - something that is exploitable to the extent that people can propose LIFETIME imprisonment.
if anything, any concept or practice comes to this point, it becomes evident that it is wrong and harmful.
lets see what intellectual property has become :
nth generation inheritors still living lavishly on a single book their ancestors had produced 100 years ago, without giving anything to society.
big publishers enjoying a practical monopoly of the creative market, sign on promising talents, and thereby force (or try to force) entire population of earth to go through them to reach mankind's fruits of creativity.
same big publishers are utilizing connections and bribing statesmen so that their monopoly wont be broken, but furthered, in the expense of modern democratic rights and values.
A scoundrel's collection of lawyers, posing as RIAA, extorting and intimidating people arbitrarily, without even feeling the need to provide valid proof before accusing someone and demanding surrender.
combined, all these have reached a point that the intellectual property exploit parties are now insolently demanding that their hold on society be ratified and furthered with LIFETIME imprisonment. get a load of that. This is no less than INDENTURED servitude of 17th century. make one mistake, sign one paper and you are goner.
this is not what free countries of the earth were founded for. in every country every citizen has the right to take up arms against a state that compromises the principles of democracy and unjust. United states was founded in this fashion, and has open statements to that effect.
It is evident that intellectual property concept has to be revised fundamentally, to prevent such abuses and insolence. its current state is a one that it has started actually hampering free trade, freedom of choice, competition and civil rights.
"anything good for business is good" - this is the logic. see where this leads. People are going to be slaves to "intellectual property holder" elite, a new class of elite. LIFETIME imprisonment. DMCA takedowns - get a load of that - what a way to suppress free speech if need be.
act now. blow your congressman's/senator's ear off.
just wait for some illegal immigrants to read what you just said.
"Sun revolves around earth"
"World sits on top of a tortoise"
"Earth is flat"
"John F Kennedy is alive"
"Elvis is alive"
"Marilyn Monroe lives with Elvis in Guatemala"
I am turkish, and i know what CV is, due to the unfortunately overboardly serious university education craze we have here. Despite the climate concerns frightens me (im a mediterranean, cold is not a concept that i am much used to) ill still send a contemporary resume.
but they still havent been sued yet.
sweden ?
Or sweden ? because it seems that those would be the best places for geeks/internet people to live in. pirate party is enough by itself.
And theres a total simple reason for that - the need to ensure content is delivered to the other side.
previously it was low bandwidth and specs of computers that prevented the bells and whistles of the kind in this "2.0" being put on websites/services - the visitor's bw and computer wouldnt been able to handle all the load, so they were very scarcely used.
now there is bandwidth. there is processing power. one would think that thing is solved now, and anyone could go on using cool widgets and whatnot in their sites.
on the contrary.
in the last 15 years, everything became more complicated. not only the number of programs that are installed on any computer and their diversity increased, but we also now have :
- Menacing viruses, trojans
- Hellish spam
- Valid privacy concerns ranging from simple cookie usage to self-installing toolbars and more
- Phishing, credit card fraud/stealing stuff
- Cross site scripting and other remote exploits
Some of these directly affect '2.0' stuff, some of them affect it combined with others.
To battle these, we have firewalls, anti-virus, trojan programs, privacy programs, all-in-ones, more and more os settings towards security, browser measures towards security and stuff.
So theres an increasingly complex environment being created in clients' computers with each passing year. To deliver any content, you have to pass through all these obstacles, and with any increasing amount of client-side running elements (javascript, activex and more) you introduce to this equation the lower your chances of getting to client gets.
and even when you reach the clients' screen, there is the problem of whether your content is being displayed as you want it to, or twisted due to interference from any "Security" and/or os stuff.
On the other hand of the spectrum, NO clients' computer refuses plain text data coming from a website.
So best bet for a website to reach the clients assuredly is to go for css, html and images in rendering the webpage that is prepared server-side, and then send it to client.
For anything on web, reach is of paramount importance. The less people you can reach due to ANYTHING, be it security concerns or low system specs, you lose business/exposure.
some sites and establishments can afford it. they are big. it wouldnt change much if they lost 5% of their visitors who utilize a site that brings the establishment, like, $2-3 income per visitor. that would still be a considerable amount if you ask accountants and economists, but, technology wise such an establishment can make this sacrifice for the sake of "coolness", which will be an investment in terms of popularity.
but, small sites and establishments, which constitute majority of the web can not afford this.
a small estore might be getting 1000 unique visitors a day, and it is probable that one of the lost 5%, 50 people, would place an order for thousands of dollars. same goes for consultancy companies, businesses and such, which do deals of tens of thousands of dollars with one source. for content sites that are just building up, losing 50 people a day might mean that they would be losing maybe 4-5 people who might be major contributors to site content.
so, web 2.0 MIGHT be an acceptable hype for big boys for now. Catch the emphasis here - FOR NOW.
it is DEFINITE that as the number of sites using client-side stuff increase, anti virus and security software will be forced to adapt to allow them. and the more stuff allowed to run client side, there will be more channels for hackers, trojaners, virus spreaders to exploit. hacking is one thing, but exploiting through already permitted channels is some other thing. you can do major stuff if you can get a channel to a client's computer that way. possibilities are endless.
so, for now hype around "2.0" might be continuing, but, sooner or later we will see the security side of the issue coming up on top. the longer it takes, the bigger the turmoil will be. already there are many concerns and cases that relate to client side stuff like activex, and i dont need to mention javascript, and more to follow.
early 19th and 20th century attempts by the french for any kind of european unity were imperialistic grandeur charades. start with napoleon go towards napoleon XXXXVCCMM or whatever. yet, they still continue the same kind of philosophy in european matters, which is despicable. no country is another's bitch. french should have understood that by now, but heck, they havent. do you think the coal deal would have got off if france was not battered with ww2, with broken pride, and kept low at that time ? would the other countries accept france to the deal in equal terms if they behaved as pompously and arrogantly they do when they are not under occupation or battered after a war ? like now ? i guess not.
corruption is rooted in tradesmen culture of turkey. from older generations, such "quick wits" are seen as a sign of "good tradesmanship". itll only change in 30 years when old generations get their tickets out of this world.
we are trying to preserve and further the secular republic. but clueless international community, and eu commissioners are not helping at all. they think that because they have rubber stamped democratically inclined laws, akp, the islamist party is pro-democracy. yet, akp uses "eastern cunning" in this matter - they know that laws are realized by bureaucracy and police, and they staff bureaucracy and police with islamist appointees, which has began to slowly practice islamist approac in all levels. police does not beat illegal demonstrators calling for sharia, but beats social democrats in the ground whenever they see them in a demonstration, even if permitted and legal. especially they stuff education ministry with islamists, they want to brainwash kids in government schools too, apart from their establishments. the fact is, ministries appoint these people, and this is in the hands of prime minister and 3-4 ministers, not the assembly. however democratic assembly happens to be, it can not effect islamisation or non islamisation of the country. this is why the army is a key factor in protecting secularism here, as it is the only organization that islamists were not able to infiltrate yet.
now, microsoft is trying to scare off potential linux migrations by alleging infringement of microsoft intellectual shit. (i can not dare say property because theres so much crap and shit they patented).
but, despite linux community's challenge, they are not saying what infringes upon their iS., neither they are suing, yet.
lets say that major players migrated to linux, then, lets say that there REALLY was code in linux infringing microsoft's, and then microsoft sued these companies.
now, at this point, wouldnt microsoft's position be of the one that manipulates, and hides the truth from justice until it can exploit justice to acquire undeserved compensation through reparation lawsuits ?
in turkey for example, if you allege someone of some crime publicly, you HAVE to come up with its evidence. else, you yourself get sued.
wont microsoft be in knee deep shit because of this hide and seek manipulation when the time comes ?
I had to make a quick run to the toilet, i hastily emptied my load, only to realize that i probably have violated one of Microsoft's Patents covering the technique of "Online Shitting"
Don't tell me France was so powerful it has succeeded in forcing the metric system on all the world except three countries. If it has, then you can't speak of "delusions of grandeur".
late 19th century. france WAS a superpower than. it didnt start to lose that status until united states have ended isolation policy at the start of the 20th century, and have lost the status totally with ww2, along with great britain. countries were not fast to adapt to that situation. so, talking from a live example, for example from turkey, after 1945-50, when it was realized that france was not a superpower, and its language was not the dominant diplomatic and trade language anymore, there were still too many schools teaching french and too many textbooks/teachers teaching french in government schools to do the switch (even if they were able to fully realize it) that, generations born between 1945-1960 still learned french as a foreign language here. same goes with metric system. at the end of 19th century, france with britain was still seen at the forefront of technological development. so many countries adapted that system naturally.
isnt asking nato to algeria a horrendous reason to oust french enough ? totally out of charter, out of context ? to the contrary to what you say, between 1985-2000 here, when i was following the "Defense press" and news, we were hearing french trying to gave directions to nato affairs despite they werent on the military wing of it.
i am sure of the frenchmen's snobness that come here. the tradesmen here are annoyed mostly with french. not german, who are too clunky, not russians, who are too rude, not any other nation but french are known for their uppishness. they try to force people to speak french until they have no choice but to speak english themselves. all tradesmen here behaves accordingly. its not a subjective and uncommon view.
I hope I'll live to see Turkey a proud member of the European Union.
taking turkey in if turkey goes like this in the hands of islamic governments, this would be the swift suicide of european union. islamic radicalism is only setting foot in netherlands, france, belgium and germany, but there are already "universities" who are teaching youngsters according to sharia rules in these countries. im not even talking about "dormitories" that take in boarding students and bombard them with sharia propaganda. such kind of arrangements are rife in here, turkey in central anatolia konya region, and if turkey joins eu in this state, hordes of radical islamists will be pouring in there to triple, quadruple the momentum there. only germany is fighting back, france, netherlands and belgium are too paralyzed with the wrongful application of human rights to a faction that will deprive anyone of any basical human right (see the contradiction) just because it is ordered by their own religion. as an example of what this extremism is capable of even in the state that its not mass mobilized - 3 youngsters who were grown up in such a boarding school slit the throats of 3 people in malatya, central anatolia just because they were printing bibles and giving out to whomever interested. 2 of the killed were christians. 3 youngsters from a boarding school slit their throats behind their backs. this is just an instantaneous result of the hatred propaganda they preach in those schools. pray that secular movement in turkey succeeds, and a secular party wins, and roots out the oncoming radical islamism - all because of seemingly "democratic" government we have here now - they try to seem democratic and pro-freedom to europe to get support, yet their prime minister openly states that he "gets on the democracy train whenever he wants and he gets off of it whenever he wants" (he means when its not compliant with islam he lets go of democracy).
Wow wow wow ! You probably hate the Greeks because of Alexandre, the Persians because of Cyrus, the Mongols because of Gengis Kh
excuse me, are you talking about napoleonic megalomania of "uniting europe" or, european union delusions de grandeur that we are experiencing as of now ? i mean the thing that irritates british public out of eu and annoys germans, and keeps italians silent ? french arrogance in pushing their agenda down on close to a billion people continent ?
(by the way, I'm from the Netherlands. I'd welcome Turkey in the EU, but come on, I've heard Turkish people give their own government so much flack, but when another country is a bit critical, you guys get all angry)
Turkish people are giving their current government too much flak because that current government is silently staffing all administrative, education, police and judiciary branches of the state with extreme islamists. Their agenda is an islamic republic, only milder than iran. I dont need to tell you what that would mean for modernity of turkey, heck, leave aside what doom would it bring to europe.
my critisizm for french do not come from national traits turks have here. i have an affinity for history, and i do history reading in my spare times. my problem with the french is their constant delusions de grandeur, which makes them squander even their own inventions/revolutions (like in 1805 when a short megalomaniac ruined down an entire revolution, aided by delusional french population), and attempt to push down/bully anyone who affiliates with them.
first of all, that guy said french started the eu. your own links too say to the contrary. so ill pass on this.
chirac-official tantrum was not an isolated incident. we are in turkey, and we are unfortunately closely following what goes within eu, maybe better than eu citizens due to our candidate status and the antipathy turkish people has against some eu matters, thanks to our media. there are many other cases that french tried to put forth french ways as the ways of the eu, and thats not counting the disneyland incident in which they have shown extreme hostility against anything non french, and the idiots who come to vacation here to turkey and refuse to speak english even though they know how to.
lets see, what else. oh yes. they have "withdrawn" themselves from the military wing of nato, do not supply anything militarily, but still try to participate in decision process and have equality to decide where and how nato forces, sons of other nato member countries except french will die. another "frenchiness".
by the time metric system was invented and put forth, france was a superpower. they are STILL trying to behave like a superpower, even though they are not. people mentioned why i didnt type those things about usa. its not necessary, if france had the power, it would act more aggressively than usa. We know it here in turkey due to our 200 year old history in international relations with them, and the fact that people that grew up 4 generations ago were taught french as secondary language due to french influence, and they have nothing to do with it now. this is the way of french, from frankish times to modern times - same with screw-up of the french revolution, only one major good thing they did for this world, with delusions de grandeur again, with the help of a egotistic short megalomaniac, and turning the whole republic into an empire charade and trying to force everyone submit to it.
so ?
no they are not.
french did not start eu. thats so 'french' again. more than one country started eu as an economic society for coal trade, after ww2. French has been trying to monopolize everything about eu since.
its not united states either. united states does not try to impose its standards on every nation in the world. french, do. start from metric system and go up to trying to make their language official language of eu despite there are hordes of people in eu that have no idea what french sounds like.
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