You must be playing an older game or something... 5670's in crossfire running an eyefinity setup at max res with full detail and playable framerates? No.
well, surprise surprise, it works.
x-fire 5670's is a horrible waste... should've went with 5770
then you dont know shit. excuse me. 2 5670s in crossfire performs equally with a 5770. and yes, my framerates are still playable in eyefinity.
there isnt a crossfire problem. hybrid crossfire works for dx10 and 11 games only. for rest, you use the external card. and, are you sure that you did not misunderstand the crossfire problem with the 69xx card on the phenom board, to be a problem with the llano board ?
it is a better performing chip then thuban because the playfield is limited. that's it. the hybrid crossfire there, as you can see from benchmarks, gives the user all it needs for current gaming. further than that becomes performance enthusiasm. this is not about the performance of the unit as a CPU. its about the performance of the unit as a unit for gaming.
not to mention in roughly a year, they will be replaced by trinity.
and the interests behind this will be as stupid as to not pursue any further avenue to censor is it. are you forgetting that icann is a private american corporation, and currently holds domain name system ?
it is a better performing chip then thuban because the playfield is limited. that's it. the hybrid crossfire there, as you can see from benchmarks, gives the user all it needs for current gaming. further than that becomes performance enthusiasm. this is not about the performance of the unit as a CPU. its about the performance of the unit as a unit for gaming.
not to mention in roughly a year, they will be replaced by trinity.
but systems management is an engineering discipline and field. please dont try to bullshit your way with stuff you dont know. it was only in mid 90s that the mba programs started to include systems management.
This is the comparison of a8 as a standalone cpu versus 1100T. In this test, the onboard die is not used. this is not how this platform should be run. It should be run as its onboard gpu in hybrid crossfire with a 6670 external gpu :
let me put it in context for you. i got a phenom ii 965 black edition.
i fired up ubuntu. i set all the pulseaudio settings to max (quality float32le, all settings to max) and i even forced resampling of all audio streams to 96khz, totally pointlessly. real time too.
then i fired up my media players. then i started to open and use 20-30 tabs like i always do on firefox. there were 2 instant messengers running, i was also watching high quality flash video through web. and working through web development tools all the same time.
with ALL these, i wasnt able to even approximate 15% of the 4 cores phenom had. oh, i also launched up mount and blade warband in 1920x1200 resolution in high detail settings through wine, and played it perfectly, with no hiccups.
this is what im saying we are way past the point where powerful cpus may give us any reasonable returns for even heavy desktop platform usage. go figure.
Perhaps what you have overlooked the most is that the power can be useful for hardcore scalable gaming. Not all hardcore gaming consists of pushing the graphics quality to maximum. There are other limits that can be increased. The more processing power the bigger the battles (the more units and projectiles that can be simulated) the more accurate the physics and more complex the rules permitted..
that wont happen. multithreaded programming is costly. this is holding software studios back from engaging in it. the retarded state of consoles and the need to develop games to also work on consoles, does not help. i dont see these change anytime soon.
My overall point being, though trinity might encroach upon the lower middle end it isn't going to get anywhere near to supplying the needs of the upper middle end and above any time soon.
you got a confusion there. trinity is not the current apu. Llano is. and Llano is already encroaching in lower to lower middle on desktop. It will be possible to do serious gaming even on a cheap laptop, or even notebook now. Trinity is the next (1 year or so) iteration, which will not only contain a bulldozer core which will come with all the improvements in its 2nd revision, but also a new graphics processor core, even surpassing the current 5xxx core they use in Llano. With that, the need for discrete gpu will go down. however, hybrid crossfiring a same generation card would still be major performance. as you can see in the benchmarks i have included in this discussion even with Llano. Tri-crossfire seems to be also in the horizon.
i am saying that we are way past the power we need even for performance gaming in regard to processors. the games as they are now way behind what hardware can offer. ironically, one reason for this is multithreaded programming being costly to implement. therefore limiting games to at most 2 cores, except the adventuring big titles that go to 4.
costs are the major problem. if ways to fix the costliness of multithreaded programming are not found, this probably wont change. or, an alternative way would be to assign more than one core to the same single thread.
another problem holding back gaming is the consoles. because games are generally made to also work in consoles, their old hardware is keeping gaming back.
fast forward to end of video to the point where guy pulls out the results. you will notice that there is little difference in between a fully laid 1100T rig with 6990 and A8-3850.
that 'distant' past translated into huge revenue intel made, and amd havent, amplifying over time. the money you made just does not stand in the bank. intel now has a monopoly on almost all the good silicon shops out there. amd uses what intel does not.
lockheed comes to mind. they bribed various countries to buy f104s instead of bac lightnings, and the result just ended british aerospace. lockheed paid some ridiculous fine compared to the profits it made.
Yes, in the past. Is this still the case? Do INTC compilers still fuck over non-'GenuineIntel' silicon? I don't think so.
you should think so. this kind of thing is not something that is just done one time, and then corporations realizing the err of their acts, refrain from doing it. its continual. recent was nvidia, with the under-the ground water tasellation 'incentive' in crysis that caused ati cards to appear less capable whereas they were ahead of them.
with kW powerdraws at the wall?.
yes. the capability of the cpus are already way over any kind of serious need an ordinary person may use in his/her daily life. even for hardcore gaming, cpus are way too powerful and remain underutilized, unless one goes for fps counting from 80 to 120 then to 125, just for kicks. with no perceivable results.
so, cpu processing power becomes the need of professionals or those who do rare, focused stuff that needs processing power over anything else. and if that is the focus, wattage does not matter - someone who is in need of serious processing power, would have the means to pay some percentage higher power bill in a hardware built for it.
We need to see some benches (realworld AND synthetic) before we can state that for a fact.
rtfa. in heavily multithreaded performance, this processor gets ahead even in this state. there will be a certain point at which this new dozer framework's core count will surpass anything an intel processor can offer due to multithreaded performance. it is appalling that you are talking without reading the fa.
1. The better the performance, the faster you can do shit (when you are doing it).
2. The better the performance, the longer the life of your box (you can upgrade at a later point in time).
no. there is no point to having 120 fps if you are getting 80 fps in a 5000x resolution in full details in a tri monitor setup. and even if you go berserk with a 6 monitor setup, you will still be bound by gpu, not cpu. this is the state of matters. the extra 40 fps is unnecessary. the extra 15 fps over 120 fps is even more unnecessary, except for achievement enthusiasts. the game will still play exactly the same in all states with full details.
even for stuff like video encoding, it does not matter zit if an encoding completes until i went to kitchen and got my tea and back, or when i just arrived in the kitchen. the timeframes in which cpus can complete things have really gone over our daily perceptions and needs. only if you are a professional that does heavy load work, maybe there may be some benefit, tho, still questionable - unless in extreme cases of cad/cam, 3d applications and so on. but then again these are generally done with specialized servers.
Thank you for your interesting post.
np. post may be interesting, but the level cpus have gone over, seems to be not so much. there is really no point to having a powerful cpu at home now. i dont know whether this is a sad state of matters, or a fortunate state of matters.
Thats what happens when mbas take over running of corporations. Everything is geared towards teaching of maximizing profit minimizing costs in those programs in ultimate end, and even if some programs incorporate engineering concepts like systems management and so on, the mba types eventually lack on strategic planning and vision.
flop. thats what you get if you hire too much suits or put them in charge.
See. If you 'let it be' and everything becomes private, you end up in that situation - private parties, on which you have no rights over, decide how you live your life. what you hear, what you can know.
to be honest, actually there is no competition on the desktop anymore. if you havent seen, Llanos blow intel's socks off everywhere in desktop and heavy gaming usage. and they are cheap. i got a phenom ii 965 be, and a 990fx board, but im thinking maybe i should have bought a fm1 and llano.
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i didnt ask 'why' as to why it would incur load. i asked, why the hell should i engage in video encoding out of the blue as an activity.
You must be playing an older game or something... 5670's in crossfire running an eyefinity setup at max res with full detail and playable framerates? No.
well, surprise surprise, it works.
x-fire 5670's is a horrible waste... should've went with 5770
then you dont know shit. excuse me. 2 5670s in crossfire performs equally with a 5770. and yes, my framerates are still playable in eyefinity.
there isnt a crossfire problem. hybrid crossfire works for dx10 and 11 games only. for rest, you use the external card. and, are you sure that you did not misunderstand the crossfire problem with the 69xx card on the phenom board, to be a problem with the llano board ?
why ? ?
please read BOTH articles i linked.
im serious. if i limit your freedoms to a lower level than a slave due to ANY means, but tell you you are a free man, does it matter zit ?
Now, your private information is THEIR property. The ownership of YOUR own private information, is lost.
it is a better performing chip then thuban because the playfield is limited. that's it. the hybrid crossfire there, as you can see from benchmarks, gives the user all it needs for current gaming. further than that becomes performance enthusiasm. this is not about the performance of the unit as a CPU. its about the performance of the unit as a unit for gaming.
not to mention in roughly a year, they will be replaced by trinity.
3rd party developer have become.
I'm a bit disappointed with FX, but not enough to preclude me from using it in my next build.
then wait until the soon to come revision in half a year or a year.
you, me, the people who use internet for more than checking their email.
the majority of masses who will decide the election, do not.
benchmarks say enough.
and the interests behind this will be as stupid as to not pursue any further avenue to censor is it. are you forgetting that icann is a private american corporation, and currently holds domain name system ?
it is a better performing chip then thuban because the playfield is limited. that's it. the hybrid crossfire there, as you can see from benchmarks, gives the user all it needs for current gaming. further than that becomes performance enthusiasm. this is not about the performance of the unit as a CPU. its about the performance of the unit as a unit for gaming.
not to mention in roughly a year, they will be replaced by trinity.
but systems management is an engineering discipline and field. please dont try to bullshit your way with stuff you dont know. it was only in mid 90s that the mba programs started to include systems management.
i would rather live as a serf. the modern american is only free in title. he doesnt have the freedoms or wealth a serf enjoys.
This is the comparison of a8 as a standalone cpu versus 1100T. In this test, the onboard die is not used. this is not how this platform should be run. It should be run as its onboard gpu in hybrid crossfire with a 6670 external gpu :
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/6
http://techreport.com/articles.x/21730/8
i fired up ubuntu. i set all the pulseaudio settings to max (quality float32le, all settings to max) and i even forced resampling of all audio streams to 96khz, totally pointlessly. real time too.
then i fired up my media players. then i started to open and use 20-30 tabs like i always do on firefox. there were 2 instant messengers running, i was also watching high quality flash video through web. and working through web development tools all the same time.
with ALL these, i wasnt able to even approximate 15% of the 4 cores phenom had. oh, i also launched up mount and blade warband in 1920x1200 resolution in high detail settings through wine, and played it perfectly, with no hiccups.
this is what im saying we are way past the point where powerful cpus may give us any reasonable returns for even heavy desktop platform usage. go figure.
Perhaps what you have overlooked the most is that the power can be useful for hardcore scalable gaming. Not all hardcore gaming consists of pushing the graphics quality to maximum. There are other limits that can be increased. The more processing power the bigger the battles (the more units and projectiles that can be simulated) the more accurate the physics and more complex the rules permitted. .
that wont happen. multithreaded programming is costly. this is holding software studios back from engaging in it. the retarded state of consoles and the need to develop games to also work on consoles, does not help. i dont see these change anytime soon.
My overall point being, though trinity might encroach upon the lower middle end it isn't going to get anywhere near to supplying the needs of the upper middle end and above any time soon.
you got a confusion there. trinity is not the current apu. Llano is. and Llano is already encroaching in lower to lower middle on desktop. It will be possible to do serious gaming even on a cheap laptop, or even notebook now. Trinity is the next (1 year or so) iteration, which will not only contain a bulldozer core which will come with all the improvements in its 2nd revision, but also a new graphics processor core, even surpassing the current 5xxx core they use in Llano. With that, the need for discrete gpu will go down. however, hybrid crossfiring a same generation card would still be major performance. as you can see in the benchmarks i have included in this discussion even with Llano. Tri-crossfire seems to be also in the horizon.
i am saying that we are way past the power we need even for performance gaming in regard to processors. the games as they are now way behind what hardware can offer. ironically, one reason for this is multithreaded programming being costly to implement. therefore limiting games to at most 2 cores, except the adventuring big titles that go to 4.
costs are the major problem. if ways to fix the costliness of multithreaded programming are not found, this probably wont change. or, an alternative way would be to assign more than one core to the same single thread.
another problem holding back gaming is the consoles. because games are generally made to also work in consoles, their old hardware is keeping gaming back.
and how are game benches of the integrated GPU of Llano relevant to the comparison of the Llano cpu to the deneb/thuban cores?
actually you would be dumbstruck :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQpfgiQd7WU&feature=related
fast forward to end of video to the point where guy pulls out the results. you will notice that there is little difference in between a fully laid 1100T rig with 6990 and A8-3850.
you dont flop things with just one mba.
Yes, in the distant past.
that 'distant' past translated into huge revenue intel made, and amd havent, amplifying over time. the money you made just does not stand in the bank. intel now has a monopoly on almost all the good silicon shops out there. amd uses what intel does not.
lockheed comes to mind. they bribed various countries to buy f104s instead of bac lightnings, and the result just ended british aerospace. lockheed paid some ridiculous fine compared to the profits it made.
Yes, in the past. Is this still the case? Do INTC compilers still fuck over non-'GenuineIntel' silicon? I don't think so.
you should think so. this kind of thing is not something that is just done one time, and then corporations realizing the err of their acts, refrain from doing it. its continual. recent was nvidia, with the under-the ground water tasellation 'incentive' in crysis that caused ati cards to appear less capable whereas they were ahead of them.
with kW powerdraws at the wall?.
yes. the capability of the cpus are already way over any kind of serious need an ordinary person may use in his/her daily life. even for hardcore gaming, cpus are way too powerful and remain underutilized, unless one goes for fps counting from 80 to 120 then to 125, just for kicks. with no perceivable results.
so, cpu processing power becomes the need of professionals or those who do rare, focused stuff that needs processing power over anything else. and if that is the focus, wattage does not matter - someone who is in need of serious processing power, would have the means to pay some percentage higher power bill in a hardware built for it.
We need to see some benches (realworld AND synthetic) before we can state that for a fact.
rtfa. in heavily multithreaded performance, this processor gets ahead even in this state. there will be a certain point at which this new dozer framework's core count will surpass anything an intel processor can offer due to multithreaded performance. it is appalling that you are talking without reading the fa.
1. The better the performance, the faster you can do shit (when you are doing it). 2. The better the performance, the longer the life of your box (you can upgrade at a later point in time).
no. there is no point to having 120 fps if you are getting 80 fps in a 5000x resolution in full details in a tri monitor setup. and even if you go berserk with a 6 monitor setup, you will still be bound by gpu, not cpu. this is the state of matters. the extra 40 fps is unnecessary. the extra 15 fps over 120 fps is even more unnecessary, except for achievement enthusiasts. the game will still play exactly the same in all states with full details.
even for stuff like video encoding, it does not matter zit if an encoding completes until i went to kitchen and got my tea and back, or when i just arrived in the kitchen. the timeframes in which cpus can complete things have really gone over our daily perceptions and needs. only if you are a professional that does heavy load work, maybe there may be some benefit, tho, still questionable - unless in extreme cases of cad/cam, 3d applications and so on. but then again these are generally done with specialized servers.
Thank you for your interesting post.
np. post may be interesting, but the level cpus have gone over, seems to be not so much. there is really no point to having a powerful cpu at home now. i dont know whether this is a sad state of matters, or a fortunate state of matters.
Thats what happens when mbas take over running of corporations. Everything is geared towards teaching of maximizing profit minimizing costs in those programs in ultimate end, and even if some programs incorporate engineering concepts like systems management and so on, the mba types eventually lack on strategic planning and vision.
flop. thats what you get if you hire too much suits or put them in charge.
See. If you 'let it be' and everything becomes private, you end up in that situation - private parties, on which you have no rights over, decide how you live your life. what you hear, what you can know.
to be honest, actually there is no competition on the desktop anymore. if you havent seen, Llanos blow intel's socks off everywhere in desktop and heavy gaming usage. and they are cheap. i got a phenom ii 965 be, and a 990fx board, but im thinking maybe i should have bought a fm1 and llano.