the point is - free exchange of ideas, has ALWAYS spurred technological progress more than anything else, during the course of history. this has been so ranging from the more freely speaking and exchanging society of ancient greece, to the maritime trader cities and nations in middle ages, to scientific age.
feodalization in the form of allowing ownership of ideas and concepts to parties, kills that fundamental of societal dynamics. and nothing can bring it back. thousands of patents are rotting right now, unused, undiscussed. and many more are being hampered because of expectancy of personal profit
oh definitely people are not right wingers because they dont believe in ufos - i know atilla dimedici from quite a number of different discussions in other subjects - he is a right wing extremist.
and no, burden of proof is not on the ufologists - this is not a courtroom. this is not a witch hunt. this is a scientific endeavor to explain unexplained phenomenon. so far, what skeptics has been doing is explaining the non-hoax, government-ufo-file released phenomenon as 'weather balloon', or swamp gas, or someone's fart.
again, this is not courtroom. this is science - discovering, explaining and learning things that were not explained before.
all of what you said about 'my silly beliefs' and doing work to get solid truth on real facts, can be applied to all the 'ufo debunkings' that were done by academics or 'experts' who had had spoken to debunk everything without their ass leaving a college office seat. it would be acceptable if the explanations went further than 'swamp gas', 'weather balloon' and 'mass halucination' though.
come back again when you learned to talk properly. see, i am a 'fucktard' who believes in such 'shit', and you, are, apparently, someone who purports 'empirical objective science' against that, yet, you end up being the witless piece of shit who broke into ranging from crazy to fucking to fucktard in wordage.
why so serious ?
why that angst, if you are following empirical objective science ?
let me break it down to your thick mind :
There is unexplained phenomenon. this means, THERE IS UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENON.
you have got the initial point well, however you are unable to get past that point in regard to cognitive abilities. moreover, you ended your argument coarsely and rudely. let me do the same :
we will discuss about this if you ever straighten up your attitude in regard to the people you are debating against.
Thanks for proving my point. It's not up to the sceptics to demonstrate how the case files are not actual real UFOs, it's up to the believers to show how they are.
we are not in a courtroom. this is not how science works and mankind gains new knowledge :
if there is an unexplained phenomenon, interested researchers bring explanations and hypothesis for that phenomenon. when someone brings proof, the hypothesis moves forward.
unexplained phenomenon means, unexplained phenomenon. that means, the skeptics did not provide anything to disprove the existence of that phenomenon in an acceptable manner either.
it doesnt matter how you feel about it or what you or public thinks about it. main point, is below - im requoting from another reply:
the important point is, something like remote viewing was undertaken. im not even talking about LSD being a product of cia.
the point is - intelligence agencies do FAR more than things that are at the level of suppressing any talk/evidence of anything they do not like to be known.
the important point is, something like remote viewing was undertaken. im not even talking about LSD being a product of cia.
the point is - intelligence agencies do FAR more than things that are at the level of suppressing any talk/evidence of anything they do not like to be known.
project bluebook is just the public relations face of the issue. there has been other things, yet unclassified to this date. cia even mounted remote viewing experiments - total paranormal phenomenon. yet, it wasnt known until someone broke the news out.
yees. there has been absolutely 'no solid evidence' for anything ufo-based. and those who came up with anything related to ufos, used to disappear in united states of a.
maybe that was why there has been absolutely 'no solid evidence' for anything ufo based ?
and, despite the fact that 5 major countries of the world has had released ufo files, with a lot of unexplained, official cases, the only one who still did not do so, and discouraging any talk related to ufos, is still united states of america ?
let me tell you one thing - you go and explain all the unexplained cases in the official secret service ufo files britain, france, russia had released, and then come talk to me about fucking 'absolutely' evidence.
your stupid sarcasm about 'x files' and whatnot, are misplaced in the wake of this.
no - explain ALL the unexplained cases in minimum of these 3 countries' released files, and i will shut up. and no - i wont accept random whats-his-name from random private think thank in united states of a calling absurd things 'balloons' as explanation either.
yes. i am talking about ufos, with a straight face. because, i cannot be a moron to the extent of cockily discounting unexplained observations without leaving a fucking armchair in a random university office and doing field study and observations first.
A lot of shady dealings and ongoings go about in MUFON's affairs in local level. This has been the discussion of ufology circles in usa numerous times. MUFON has ceased being a reliable organization since a long while.
i dont know where did the article pull that 'reliable' wordage from.
Actually it goes without discussing that cia/nsa any other agency has started to infiltrate mufon looong looong ago as a policy - way too dangerous to be let loose.
If you argue otherwise, i would like to remind you the black ops divide and conquer operation cia mounted to effect wikileaks breakaway :
appallingly, science pioneers of 19th century didnt do that, yet they still had resources to create 'an environment where they can dedicate their time to science'
Back then, science was believed to be universal, and majority of scientists were idealistic to the point that they would send idealists of today crying to a corner in shame.
"We tried everything, we pushed our search with our browser, we pushed our browser with our os (which you foiled btw - ballot box), we tried sniffing the best result from google for a query from the users of our browser, but we still failed. Please help us"
thats not right. the very thing that prevented me from buying a netbook when the word netbook was the hype and eee was the thing, was that their specs were too low. when acer entered the market with its mini but laptop grade stuff, i bought one.
For screwing up so bad. There's yet the wireless sniffing incident to deal with.
Thank you for screwing up the ethics of a company that had maintained acceptable ethics for a long time and having it obliged to something that no other company is put through.
And about you, good riddance.
sun, apple, oracle.... what would you expect from someone who took on the culture of those companies.
Summary talks as if they have gone away. No. They evolved into mini-laptops by added memory, hard disk and computing power. it was inevitable. technology progresses, and devices improve.
i have one of them mini acers since 2 years. its a good device. i carry it around, it has 7 hour battery life, i even do medium amount of web development on it when i attach it to a fixed monitor. even by itself, i can do small debugging.
not mentioning any kind of normal web surfing, video watching or mobile computerly needs.
this is what way the tablets will go. they may become folded tablets with 2x the screen space in future. stronger cpus, more mem more hd. but, they will probably evolve into a stable device at some point.
Slashdot Mirror
shoo x 3
shoo shoo.
the point is - free exchange of ideas, has ALWAYS spurred technological progress more than anything else, during the course of history. this has been so ranging from the more freely speaking and exchanging society of ancient greece, to the maritime trader cities and nations in middle ages, to scientific age.
feodalization in the form of allowing ownership of ideas and concepts to parties, kills that fundamental of societal dynamics. and nothing can bring it back. thousands of patents are rotting right now, unused, undiscussed. and many more are being hampered because of expectancy of personal profit
shoo.
oh definitely people are not right wingers because they dont believe in ufos - i know atilla dimedici from quite a number of different discussions in other subjects - he is a right wing extremist.
and no, burden of proof is not on the ufologists - this is not a courtroom. this is not a witch hunt. this is a scientific endeavor to explain unexplained phenomenon. so far, what skeptics has been doing is explaining the non-hoax, government-ufo-file released phenomenon as 'weather balloon', or swamp gas, or someone's fart.
again, this is not courtroom. this is science - discovering, explaining and learning things that were not explained before.
all of what you said about 'my silly beliefs' and doing work to get solid truth on real facts, can be applied to all the 'ufo debunkings' that were done by academics or 'experts' who had had spoken to debunk everything without their ass leaving a college office seat. it would be acceptable if the explanations went further than 'swamp gas', 'weather balloon' and 'mass halucination' though.
http://www.google.com.tr/search?q=mexica+mass+ufo+sighting&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
over and over and over and over, people of mexico city, in the tens of thousands, 'mass hallucinate'.
http://www.google.com.tr/search?q=mexica+mass+ufo+sighting&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
yes name 3 more. oh - sorry - 4. edison used to snatch the inventions of his assistants.
come back again when you learned to talk properly. see, i am a 'fucktard' who believes in such 'shit', and you, are, apparently, someone who purports 'empirical objective science' against that, yet, you end up being the witless piece of shit who broke into ranging from crazy to fucking to fucktard in wordage.
why so serious ?
why that angst, if you are following empirical objective science ?
let me break it down to your thick mind :
There is unexplained phenomenon. this means, THERE IS UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENON.
period. and audieu.
you have got the initial point well, however you are unable to get past that point in regard to cognitive abilities. moreover, you ended your argument coarsely and rudely. let me do the same :
we will discuss about this if you ever straighten up your attitude in regard to the people you are debating against.
Thanks for proving my point. It's not up to the sceptics to demonstrate how the case files are not actual real UFOs, it's up to the believers to show how they are.
we are not in a courtroom. this is not how science works and mankind gains new knowledge :
if there is an unexplained phenomenon, interested researchers bring explanations and hypothesis for that phenomenon. when someone brings proof, the hypothesis moves forward.
unexplained phenomenon means, unexplained phenomenon. that means, the skeptics did not provide anything to disprove the existence of that phenomenon in an acceptable manner either.
the important point is, something like remote viewing was undertaken. im not even talking about LSD being a product of cia.
the point is - intelligence agencies do FAR more than things that are at the level of suppressing any talk/evidence of anything they do not like to be known.
the important point is, something like remote viewing was undertaken. im not even talking about LSD being a product of cia.
the point is - intelligence agencies do FAR more than things that are at the level of suppressing any talk/evidence of anything they do not like to be known.
you are marked as a right wing extremist/troll in my book. then, tell me - should i or should i not waste any time replying to you ? your choice.
project bluebook is just the public relations face of the issue. there has been other things, yet unclassified to this date. cia even mounted remote viewing experiments - total paranormal phenomenon. yet, it wasnt known until someone broke the news out.
yees. there has been absolutely 'no solid evidence' for anything ufo-based. and those who came up with anything related to ufos, used to disappear in united states of a.
maybe that was why there has been absolutely 'no solid evidence' for anything ufo based ?
and, despite the fact that 5 major countries of the world has had released ufo files, with a lot of unexplained, official cases, the only one who still did not do so, and discouraging any talk related to ufos, is still united states of america ?
let me tell you one thing - you go and explain all the unexplained cases in the official secret service ufo files britain, france, russia had released, and then come talk to me about fucking 'absolutely' evidence.
your stupid sarcasm about 'x files' and whatnot, are misplaced in the wake of this.
no - explain ALL the unexplained cases in minimum of these 3 countries' released files, and i will shut up. and no - i wont accept random whats-his-name from random private think thank in united states of a calling absurd things 'balloons' as explanation either.
yes. i am talking about ufos, with a straight face. because, i cannot be a moron to the extent of cockily discounting unexplained observations without leaving a fucking armchair in a random university office and doing field study and observations first.
yes i did. and the problem with that is ?
A lot of shady dealings and ongoings go about in MUFON's affairs in local level. This has been the discussion of ufology circles in usa numerous times. MUFON has ceased being a reliable organization since a long while.
i dont know where did the article pull that 'reliable' wordage from.
Actually it goes without discussing that cia/nsa any other agency has started to infiltrate mufon looong looong ago as a policy - way too dangerous to be let loose.
If you argue otherwise, i would like to remind you the black ops divide and conquer operation cia mounted to effect wikileaks breakaway :
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/02/10/1243211/Secret-Plan-To-Kill-Wikileaks-With-FUD-Leaked
things like these are commonplace in intelligence world since last 150 years.
appallingly, science pioneers of 19th century didnt do that, yet they still had resources to create 'an environment where they can dedicate their time to science'
Back then, science was believed to be universal, and majority of scientists were idealistic to the point that they would send idealists of today crying to a corner in shame.
"We tried everything, we pushed our search with our browser, we pushed our browser with our os (which you foiled btw - ballot box), we tried sniffing the best result from google for a query from the users of our browser, but we still failed. Please help us"
....
is it
for whatever reason ?
pipe down buster. easy. easy ....
thats not right. the very thing that prevented me from buying a netbook when the word netbook was the hype and eee was the thing, was that their specs were too low. when acer entered the market with its mini but laptop grade stuff, i bought one.
For screwing up so bad. There's yet the wireless sniffing incident to deal with.
.... what would you expect from someone who took on the culture of those companies.
Thank you for screwing up the ethics of a company that had maintained acceptable ethics for a long time and having it obliged to something that no other company is put through.
And about you, good riddance.
sun, apple, oracle
Summary talks as if they have gone away. No. They evolved into mini-laptops by added memory, hard disk and computing power. it was inevitable. technology progresses, and devices improve.
i have one of them mini acers since 2 years. its a good device. i carry it around, it has 7 hour battery life, i even do medium amount of web development on it when i attach it to a fixed monitor. even by itself, i can do small debugging.
not mentioning any kind of normal web surfing, video watching or mobile computerly needs.
this is what way the tablets will go. they may become folded tablets with 2x the screen space in future. stronger cpus, more mem more hd. but, they will probably evolve into a stable device at some point.
microsoft is missing another train. good for us.