Germany has been getting rid of nuclear power for some time now, but guess what? They don't have anything to replace it, and so they buy it instead from France - which generates it using *drumroll* nuclear power plants. Talk about NIMBY.
there is nothing wrong about temporarily buying power - they could have bought it from russia too, through plants that produce power from natural gas.
You seem to be severely overestimating the scale of even the worst possible nuclear disaster. It won't "wreck civilization" nor will it "decimate population". It may cause several hundred immediate deaths, and perhaps several hundred thousand later on from cancer from raised background levels.
But if you account for the latter, you also have to account for the slow poison effect of coal plants (which are still the most popular way to generate power, and would be even more so if not for nuclear). They also emit some quite nasty stuff, including radioactive elements. Yes, they don't do it all at once, like nuclear meltdown does - but they do it in small doses in their normal mode of operation, such that accumulated, you end up with more than nukes even if you account for meltdowns.
i dont think i am at all overestimating. if 2-3 out of 6 plants in fukujima really screw it up, that disaster may still be upon us. Your perspective is too narrow with several hundred immediate deaths, and several thousand later from cancer -> first, much much more will be dying ; after chernobyl, 30 years, cancer rate is still too high among youth around black sea coast. we are talking much more than that.
Also radiation affects more than humans. The effects of this on ecosystems through chain effects would be much more grand and unpredictable. That part is the most far reaching one. EPA already detected 300 times normal radiation in groundwater in massachusetts. radiation had had rode the rain there.
Alternatives? There are no scalable alternatives. Hydro is awesome, but its availability is limited, and where it exists we used up a lot of it. Solar is prohibitively expensive for now on industrial scale. Wind - again, great where it's available, but doesn't scale. Various other means (hydrothermal, tidal etc) can only be used as auxiliary. That leaves coal and nuclear.
You can hate it, but that is the price you have to pay for cheap energy. And our civilization today is impossible without cheap energy.
you are wrong. northern european economies have been moving to wind power already, its quite 'scalable' and progressing forward in efficiency. moreover, there has been alternatives available like wave power - which some small cities in scotland are already using to fully power themselves. i dont need to at all remind you about the progress that's being done in solar power, for you probably have already read these on slashdot.
Excuse me but this is above any argument. Nuclear power, is like maintaining a glass full of nitroglicerin in your bathroom because it fulfills some of your crucial ass wiping needs - it may be the cheapest way to fulfill your needs, but, it is also a ticking time bomb :
A lot of nuclear reactors are dotted around the world. And this planet is a moving one - there are always constant earthquakes :
See. Its like a gamble. So far, we are alright because one of those quakes didnt chance up on a critical installation. This japan quake could have been much closer, and all of those 6 reactors could have been already totally shattered and we would be sucking iodine tablets right now.
Germany did right. At a time when the planet was showing rather increased activity, they shut down all of their 10+ reactors, around 30% or so of their power. They are going to replace nuclear power.
Indeed. It is the biggest folly of this civilization to rely on VERY dangerous, catastrophic things, because they are cheaper than alternatives. No - these are really dangerous - because ONE failure, may be enough to wreck our civilization and decimate populations. You go figure how the rest will come down with domino effect - it will come down, but the question is, how much it will. All depends on the level of the disaster happening on the next reactor. It may even be this one.
Eu Nuclear energy secretary or someone - right at the start of the incident, said something like 'the biggest disaster of the century' or something.
Eu is generally staffed with social democrat bureaucrats which tend to bluntly retort the uncomfortable truth regardless of how it disturbs any country, private interest or population. Im trusting what was said from that source - definitely not american government or hell - main stream media which was rather noticeably too quick to drop fukujima issue from the headlines.
For there to be 1000-3000 times normal amount of radiation in ocean water around the plant and fishing in a 40 km radius being banned, there has to be something that went really wrong.
And werent they pumping sea water to cool that plant ? The water to cool a nuclear plant has to stay in closed circulation. In this case, it was evaporating. Yet, we were assured that it would not be harmful. And this is just one of the shady explanations. you go figure the rest.
there is little genetic difference in between arabs and jews. actually, the people of that region are practically from the same semitic ancestry.
moreover, their culture is totally the same. judaism, islam, christianity are only minor branches. ALL of these build upon established (thousands of years ago, even before themselves) traditions and legends and beliefs of the region.
they are one people. but one thing you are right about is, they are indeed the source of all the problems of the world - their culture has been one of control of a single person claiming divine ancestry and belief, over all others, even before sumerians. it still goes on till this day, albeit there are more than one controllers now, in compliance with necessities of modern times.
are you aware that something being 'more' than something else, does not necessitate acting on that extra amount ? what if the 'more' is just 2% more than world total, OR, maybe even the next statistical figure ?
are you calling numerous events in which tens of thousands and more people, including news channels, have observed, filmed ufo, 'mexican hysteria' ?
where does that moronic 'hysteria' appendage come from, in that phrase ? we are talking about tens of thousands of people here. if, such a consistent mass 'hysteria' had been possible, it would have been repeating in more than one place on the face of this planet, and history.
of course - if you dub all these kind of sightings as 'hysteria' throughout history, it would be easy to call everything hysteria. but then it would just show how utterly rabid the moron doing that identification is - definitely, not scientist material. scribe maybe.
hoax creation existing doesnt mean everything is a hoax. there is no difference in between explaining some unknown phenomenon with 'otherworldy' explanation or dubbing all of them as hoaxes, like a witless idiot.
and about 'otherworldly' phenomenon - ufo possibility is not otherworldly - we are doing the very same thing to people amongst us in our half assed civilization :
- numerous tribes around the world are being held in isolation by u.n. decision, 'to preserve their genuine lifestyle and prevent the harms of modern society'. only occasionally some medicine is leaked to these tribes. scientists observe these tribes remotely.
- we are already using cloaking technologies - leaving aside the cloaking vest japanese had had debuted, british army displayed a method to cloak a tank, and held a demonstration in which they made half of a tank vanish from plain sight.
so, we are already playing god, and holding various peoples in isolation because of our ethical judgment even on this planet, hiding ourselves. moreover, if it comes to that, as you can see from point 2, even more advanced means to hide ourselves and do things exist.
a concept that is already in practice on this very planet - there is NOTHING barring from more advanced civilizations from doing the very same thing to us. the fact that we were not able to observe or break the 4th wall yet, does not make it an impossibility.
and what am i discussing anyway. we are at the point of discussing the time component of quantum mechanics experiments and possibility of time machines. it is beyond moronic to assume that even though we came to this state in a mere 200 years of scientific revolution, there could have been no other civilization which broke through that and a lot of fields of breakthrough long before.
open minds. that is what science requires. not monastic scholastic 12th century behavior.
yeees. and we will be unable to do anything with them for 20 years. i would like to remind you that the 15 years in between advent of internet and today has had changed the world A LOT. had it been delayed, things may have been a lot different.
Settlement did nothing. Mozilla gained its share with nails and tooth, and actually it was Eu that struck the biggest blow to microsoft skullduggery with browser ballot box.
You know, the antitrust case in Eu that did NOT stagnate, and expire.
Ironically, in usa, case stagnated and is now expiring. Tells a lot about u.s. justice system.
cia is one of the u.s. government arms, suppressing any kind of talk undesirable to the perceived goals of the u.s. govt. this includes, talk about ufos.
what you call 'mexican ufo hysteria' being on cnn, is a brief stint that didnt even last for a week, despite these had been happening for decades, repeatedly, numerously and tens of thousands of people beholding them.
giving something a few days' coverage, whereas it was going on for decades...
your statement is incorrect. a goodly percentage was of the middle class level that needed extra income. this even goes for champollion et al, at the start of 19th century.
if the below is, despite occurring repeatedly, explained by 'mass hallucination', if you combine this not being talked at all in usa in mainstream, with the point i made above, you can get my point about cia, and suppression of information.
Slashdot Mirror
Germany has been getting rid of nuclear power for some time now, but guess what? They don't have anything to replace it, and so they buy it instead from France - which generates it using *drumroll* nuclear power plants. Talk about NIMBY.
http://www.google.com/search?q=germany+alternative+energy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a as you can see, they have been moving to renewable energy, and now they are now the world leader in that.
there is nothing wrong about temporarily buying power - they could have bought it from russia too, through plants that produce power from natural gas.
You seem to be severely overestimating the scale of even the worst possible nuclear disaster. It won't "wreck civilization" nor will it "decimate population". It may cause several hundred immediate deaths, and perhaps several hundred thousand later on from cancer from raised background levels.
But if you account for the latter, you also have to account for the slow poison effect of coal plants (which are still the most popular way to generate power, and would be even more so if not for nuclear). They also emit some quite nasty stuff, including radioactive elements. Yes, they don't do it all at once, like nuclear meltdown does - but they do it in small doses in their normal mode of operation, such that accumulated, you end up with more than nukes even if you account for meltdowns.
i dont think i am at all overestimating. if 2-3 out of 6 plants in fukujima really screw it up, that disaster may still be upon us. Your perspective is too narrow with several hundred immediate deaths, and several thousand later from cancer -> first, much much more will be dying ; after chernobyl, 30 years, cancer rate is still too high among youth around black sea coast. we are talking much more than that.
Also radiation affects more than humans. The effects of this on ecosystems through chain effects would be much more grand and unpredictable. That part is the most far reaching one. EPA already detected 300 times normal radiation in groundwater in massachusetts. radiation had had rode the rain there.
Alternatives? There are no scalable alternatives. Hydro is awesome, but its availability is limited, and where it exists we used up a lot of it. Solar is prohibitively expensive for now on industrial scale. Wind - again, great where it's available, but doesn't scale. Various other means (hydrothermal, tidal etc) can only be used as auxiliary. That leaves coal and nuclear.
You can hate it, but that is the price you have to pay for cheap energy. And our civilization today is impossible without cheap energy.
you are wrong. northern european economies have been moving to wind power already, its quite 'scalable' and progressing forward in efficiency. moreover, there has been alternatives available like wave power - which some small cities in scotland are already using to fully power themselves. i dont need to at all remind you about the progress that's being done in solar power, for you probably have already read these on slashdot.
Excuse me but this is above any argument. Nuclear power, is like maintaining a glass full of nitroglicerin in your bathroom because it fulfills some of your crucial ass wiping needs - it may be the cheapest way to fulfill your needs, but, it is also a ticking time bomb :
A lot of nuclear reactors are dotted around the world. And this planet is a moving one - there are always constant earthquakes :
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php
See. Its like a gamble. So far, we are alright because one of those quakes didnt chance up on a critical installation. This japan quake could have been much closer, and all of those 6 reactors could have been already totally shattered and we would be sucking iodine tablets right now.
Germany did right. At a time when the planet was showing rather increased activity, they shut down all of their 10+ reactors, around 30% or so of their power. They are going to replace nuclear power.
Indeed. It is the biggest folly of this civilization to rely on VERY dangerous, catastrophic things, because they are cheaper than alternatives. No - these are really dangerous - because ONE failure, may be enough to wreck our civilization and decimate populations. You go figure how the rest will come down with domino effect - it will come down, but the question is, how much it will. All depends on the level of the disaster happening on the next reactor. It may even be this one.
Eu Nuclear energy secretary or someone - right at the start of the incident, said something like 'the biggest disaster of the century' or something.
Eu is generally staffed with social democrat bureaucrats which tend to bluntly retort the uncomfortable truth regardless of how it disturbs any country, private interest or population. Im trusting what was said from that source - definitely not american government or hell - main stream media which was rather noticeably too quick to drop fukujima issue from the headlines.
For there to be 1000-3000 times normal amount of radiation in ocean water around the plant and fishing in a 40 km radius being banned, there has to be something that went really wrong.
And werent they pumping sea water to cool that plant ? The water to cool a nuclear plant has to stay in closed circulation. In this case, it was evaporating. Yet, we were assured that it would not be harmful. And this is just one of the shady explanations. you go figure the rest.
there is little genetic difference in between arabs and jews. actually, the people of that region are practically from the same semitic ancestry.
moreover, their culture is totally the same. judaism, islam, christianity are only minor branches. ALL of these build upon established (thousands of years ago, even before themselves) traditions and legends and beliefs of the region.
they are one people. but one thing you are right about is, they are indeed the source of all the problems of the world - their culture has been one of control of a single person claiming divine ancestry and belief, over all others, even before sumerians. it still goes on till this day, albeit there are more than one controllers now, in compliance with necessities of modern times.
This guy being the founder of the 'Freedom Watch' ? exactly whose freedom is he watching ?
are you aware that something being 'more' than something else, does not necessitate acting on that extra amount ? what if the 'more' is just 2% more than world total, OR, maybe even the next statistical figure ?
percentages matter.
give us percentages.
They really should program the site for the East Coast USA audience because that's where the most Slashdotters actually live,
your hypothesis is not only 'out of ass' grade, but also incorrect.
are you calling numerous events in which tens of thousands and more people, including news channels, have observed, filmed ufo, 'mexican hysteria' ?
where does that moronic 'hysteria' appendage come from, in that phrase ? we are talking about tens of thousands of people here. if, such a consistent mass 'hysteria' had been possible, it would have been repeating in more than one place on the face of this planet, and history.
of course - if you dub all these kind of sightings as 'hysteria' throughout history, it would be easy to call everything hysteria. but then it would just show how utterly rabid the moron doing that identification is - definitely, not scientist material. scribe maybe.
hoax creation existing doesnt mean everything is a hoax. there is no difference in between explaining some unknown phenomenon with 'otherworldy' explanation or dubbing all of them as hoaxes, like a witless idiot.
and about 'otherworldly' phenomenon - ufo possibility is not otherworldly - we are doing the very same thing to people amongst us in our half assed civilization :
- numerous tribes around the world are being held in isolation by u.n. decision, 'to preserve their genuine lifestyle and prevent the harms of modern society'. only occasionally some medicine is leaked to these tribes. scientists observe these tribes remotely.
- we are already using cloaking technologies - leaving aside the cloaking vest japanese had had debuted, british army displayed a method to cloak a tank, and held a demonstration in which they made half of a tank vanish from plain sight.
so, we are already playing god, and holding various peoples in isolation because of our ethical judgment even on this planet, hiding ourselves. moreover, if it comes to that, as you can see from point 2, even more advanced means to hide ourselves and do things exist.
a concept that is already in practice on this very planet - there is NOTHING barring from more advanced civilizations from doing the very same thing to us. the fact that we were not able to observe or break the 4th wall yet, does not make it an impossibility.
and what am i discussing anyway. we are at the point of discussing the time component of quantum mechanics experiments and possibility of time machines. it is beyond moronic to assume that even though we came to this state in a mere 200 years of scientific revolution, there could have been no other civilization which broke through that and a lot of fields of breakthrough long before.
open minds. that is what science requires. not monastic scholastic 12th century behavior.
you tell them unity100 how an emotionless drone he is. good job !!
i always wanted someone to shove that in his face. thank you.
oh yeah !!
yeees. and we will be unable to do anything with them for 20 years. i would like to remind you that the 15 years in between advent of internet and today has had changed the world A LOT. had it been delayed, things may have been a lot different.
if something like that ever happens, dont choose something like "Canterbury" as distro name.
what the hell is that ...
geocities, blink, comet cursor, center-aligned pages -> these were all part of our web culture back then.
you neednt remind us that.
Settlement did nothing. Mozilla gained its share with nails and tooth, and actually it was Eu that struck the biggest blow to microsoft skullduggery with browser ballot box.
You know, the antitrust case in Eu that did NOT stagnate, and expire.
Ironically, in usa, case stagnated and is now expiring. Tells a lot about u.s. justice system.
what exactly ?
also the "do-my-job-for-me dept." joke didnt escape me.
shoo . .
cia is one of the u.s. government arms, suppressing any kind of talk undesirable to the perceived goals of the u.s. govt. this includes, talk about ufos.
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what you call 'mexican ufo hysteria' being on cnn, is a brief stint that didnt even last for a week, despite these had been happening for decades, repeatedly, numerously and tens of thousands of people beholding them.
giving something a few days' coverage, whereas it was going on for decades
your statement is incorrect. a goodly percentage was of the middle class level that needed extra income. this even goes for champollion et al, at the start of 19th century.
so this is the explanation for what's in the link then... its quite scientific, enlightening, and horizon-widening. did i mention scientific ?
lets cut to the chase :
http://www.google.com.tr/search?q=mexica+mass+ufo+sighting&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
if the below is, despite occurring repeatedly, explained by 'mass hallucination', if you combine this not being talked at all in usa in mainstream, with the point i made above, you can get my point about cia, and suppression of information.
please keep on hypothesizing about what i would think about random irrelevant other concepts and things, while you have started.
shooo ....