> I think we're a little annoyed at the prospect of doing another one.
I think everyone else is a little annoyed at that prospect too. But I don't really see what WW2 has to do with the US arresting noncitizens for violating US law.
and in a preemptive strike on the military draft = slavery topic, if I own a slave, I can kill him at a whim if I so choose, as he is my property. This does not apply to military service. The military can execute one of it's own only under very specific circumstances. Of course it puts their lives on the line, but then so does the highway department.
That's partially true, and partially a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because more and more parents are keeping their kids inside, more and more community resources like playgrounds are falling into disuse so those of us who would LIKE to let our kids go play on the playground have actual safety concerns such as broken glass in the sandbox that isn't removed for days.
There's also some neurotic behavior at work where people scream bloody murder about having their some tiny priviledge abridged because kids need a safe environment while simultaneously griping at overprotective parents raising spoiled kids.
> Slavery is defined as servitude, voluntary or not, in the constitution's ammendments.
That's not a mainstream definition of slavery and you know it.
> That means that if I force you to serve me, its slavery.
My beef is your assertion that the draft is the "worst form" of slavery. I'd have to say that the worst form of slavery is when you're actually a slave - ie, the property of others - for as long as you may live, and any claims to the contrary are an insult to those who were or are actual slaves. Your assertion that it's the worst form because OMG YOU'LL DIE doesn't hold water - the casualty rate for the US Armed Forces even during an active war isn't even close to that of actual slaves on the plantations, and I suspect is far higher than the casualty rate among slaves that exist in the world today.
and when they can't hang out and play ball in the street or go to the playground without a goddamned armed escort, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to tell you that video games would pick up the slack.
> What do they call it, the excluded middle fallacy?
Yep. It's very common everywhere, but doubleplusespecially here. I tend to blame it on a primarily tech audience who have been trained to use boolean logic for everything.
Everyone thinks they know how to raise everyone else's kids. And that goes double for people without their own kids. But they're rarely correct. The idea that your relationship with your child will be magically wonderful if you simply talk to them and respect them is certainly nice and neat and tidy, but as the old saying goes, "for every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant and wrong."
argh, I forgot to mention that the scandalous part is that most apartments require credit checks nowadays, at least in California. That is pretty bad, because it makes housing very difficult to find if you have bad credit.
There was also no credit check when I made copies for a living at Kinkos either. I appreciate your sticking up for the oppressed masses, but I don't think they're as oppressed as you think, at least in this instance. Generally the jobs that want credit checks are jobs in which you're handling lots of money - casinos, banks, etc. I think you'd have to look pretty far for a situation in which there were no jobs other than those requiring a credit check.
False dichotomy ahoy! In fact, it's not either/or. There's several things you can do if you don't want the job you're applying for to run a credit check.
1) Tell them "no, my credit is none of your business." This will often work in smaller companies that aren't bureaucracy-bound if they want you badly enough or if the credit check is just an item on a list that no one cares about. 2) Never sign the "I give you permission slip" and pretend like you lost it. I did this once by accident, and no one noticed until about 6 months into my employment. 3) If neither of these work, seek out somewhere that it WILL work.
Worth noting is that I've gotten plenty of programming jobs where a credit check was never asked for.
One guy out of... what? 3 billion? 6? I can't remember.
I'm gonna need a number greater than... oh, let's say 1000 before I even start considering that li-ion batteries may actually pose some kind of legitimate safety concern.
> When you apply for a car, they run your credit report. You apply for an apartment, they run a credit report. You apply for a job, they run a credit report.
Yeah, but you give them permission to those people.
Still, of the players in the Cavalcade Of Civil Rights Abuses we've been priviledged to be audience to over the past few years, this one definitely plays a bit part.
> I said, a draft is simply the worst because you're sent to likely DIE.
As opposed to the other kinds of slavery, which were typically nice affairs where you were treated to a complimentary dinner at Red Lobster after it was over and they grafted the foot the cut off as a penalty for running away back on. That's a good point.
> (tis a nutty world we live in, we sell Sarin gas to saddam, and then he's a bad guy for using it, for the EXACT PURPOSE HE BOUGHT IT FOR! Sarin isn't for defense, or hunting, or overthrowing tyrants, its exactly for what it is sold... GENOCIDE!)
It's also for killing massed troop concentrations, which Iraq saw a lot of during the interminable wars with Iran.
It hurt, but I actually voted republican for senator last time. No real effect of course, but I feel cleaner now. Between gun control and pandering to hollywood, I just couldn't do it anymore.
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> I think we're a little annoyed at the prospect of doing another one.
I think everyone else is a little annoyed at that prospect too. But I don't really see what WW2 has to do with the US arresting noncitizens for violating US law.
Vancouver and Toronto airports are both pretty good.
Can anyone explain under what pretense the US gets to arrest noncitizens for violating US law?
He can wear Spock ears all day for all I care, I still want him beaten with mallets.
and in a preemptive strike on the military draft = slavery topic, if I own a slave, I can kill him at a whim if I so choose, as he is my property. This does not apply to military service. The military can execute one of it's own only under very specific circumstances. Of course it puts their lives on the line, but then so does the highway department.
That's partially true, and partially a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because more and more parents are keeping their kids inside, more and more community resources like playgrounds are falling into disuse so those of us who would LIKE to let our kids go play on the playground have actual safety concerns such as broken glass in the sandbox that isn't removed for days.
There's also some neurotic behavior at work where people scream bloody murder about having their some tiny priviledge abridged because kids need a safe environment while simultaneously griping at overprotective parents raising spoiled kids.
> Slavery is defined as servitude, voluntary or not, in the constitution's ammendments.
That's not a mainstream definition of slavery and you know it.
> That means that if I force you to serve me, its slavery.
My beef is your assertion that the draft is the "worst form" of slavery. I'd have to say that the worst form of slavery is when you're actually a slave - ie, the property of others - for as long as you may live, and any claims to the contrary are an insult to those who were or are actual slaves. Your assertion that it's the worst form because OMG YOU'LL DIE doesn't hold water - the casualty rate for the US Armed Forces even during an active war isn't even close to that of actual slaves on the plantations, and I suspect is far higher than the casualty rate among slaves that exist in the world today.
I'd be happy to settle for someone beating Jay-Z.
and when they can't hang out and play ball in the street or go to the playground without a goddamned armed escort, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to tell you that video games would pick up the slack.
> What do they call it, the excluded middle fallacy?
Yep. It's very common everywhere, but doubleplusespecially here. I tend to blame it on a primarily tech audience who have been trained to use boolean logic for everything.
> Parents refuse to take responsibility for what their kids do because it's inconvenient.
When my kid is 28, my responsibility for his behavior is pretty much zero.
I could sort of not mind a law like this too much, but the age can't be 30.
Everyone thinks they know how to raise everyone else's kids. And that goes double for people without their own kids. But they're rarely correct. The idea that your relationship with your child will be magically wonderful if you simply talk to them and respect them is certainly nice and neat and tidy, but as the old saying goes, "for every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant and wrong."
I'm sure all those parents who need to spy on their kids never thought of talking to their kids! Thanks, Captain Obvious, you've saved the day!
how else would Congress know where to send the checks?
argh, I forgot to mention that the scandalous part is that most apartments require credit checks nowadays, at least in California. That is pretty bad, because it makes housing very difficult to find if you have bad credit.
There was also no credit check when I made copies for a living at Kinkos either. I appreciate your sticking up for the oppressed masses, but I don't think they're as oppressed as you think, at least in this instance. Generally the jobs that want credit checks are jobs in which you're handling lots of money - casinos, banks, etc. I think you'd have to look pretty far for a situation in which there were no jobs other than those requiring a credit check.
> It's either "sign zee papers" or starve.
False dichotomy ahoy! In fact, it's not either/or. There's several things you can do if you don't want the job you're applying for to run a credit check.
1) Tell them "no, my credit is none of your business." This will often work in smaller companies that aren't bureaucracy-bound if they want you badly enough or if the credit check is just an item on a list that no one cares about.
2) Never sign the "I give you permission slip" and pretend like you lost it. I did this once by accident, and no one noticed until about 6 months into my employment.
3) If neither of these work, seek out somewhere that it WILL work.
Worth noting is that I've gotten plenty of programming jobs where a credit check was never asked for.
ok, that's one guy.
... what? 3 billion? 6? I can't remember.
... oh, let's say 1000 before I even start considering that li-ion batteries may actually pose some kind of legitimate safety concern.
One guy out of
I'm gonna need a number greater than
> When you apply for a car, they run your credit report. You apply for an apartment, they run a credit report. You apply for a job, they run a credit report.
Yeah, but you give them permission to those people.
Still, of the players in the Cavalcade Of Civil Rights Abuses we've been priviledged to be audience to over the past few years, this one definitely plays a bit part.
> I said, a draft is simply the worst because you're sent to likely DIE.
As opposed to the other kinds of slavery, which were typically nice affairs where you were treated to a complimentary dinner at Red Lobster after it was over and they grafted the foot the cut off as a penalty for running away back on. That's a good point.
> Employment is slavery
You have a wacky definition of slavery.
> (tis a nutty world we live in, we sell Sarin gas to saddam, and then he's a bad guy for using it, for the EXACT PURPOSE HE BOUGHT IT FOR! Sarin isn't for defense, or hunting, or overthrowing tyrants, its exactly for what it is sold... GENOCIDE!)
It's also for killing massed troop concentrations, which Iraq saw a lot of during the interminable wars with Iran.
actually, I think I did vote Libertarian, I can't remember who I voted -for-, but I do remember who I voted against.
> It is CONSTITUTIONAL slavery
Voluntary slavery, eh? Nice. So let me get this straight:
"a draft is slavery, and the worst form of it" + "It is CONSTITUTIONAL slavery" = "Voluntary slavery is the worst form of slavery"
Do I have that right?
As for the rest of your post, you seem to be suffering from some serious topic drift.
It hurt, but I actually voted republican for senator last time. No real effect of course, but I feel cleaner now. Between gun control and pandering to hollywood, I just couldn't do it anymore.
> Shouldn't you attack his source of Gas? Saddam was helped to power along with his family by the CIA. Shouldn't you attack his enablers?
When someone shoots their wife, do you want the guy who legally sold him the Glock to go to prison?