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Mandatory DRM for Podcasts Proposed

Knytefall writes "Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, and two GOP senators are sponsoring a bill called the PERFORM Act that would require podcasts with music and satellite radio to be locked-up with music industry-approved DRM software. From the article: 'All audio services — Webcasters included — would be obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable" copy-protection technology aimed at preventing "music theft" and restricting automatic recording.'"

432 comments

  1. Completely ludicrous by jasonwea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have not read the act itself but the TFA (and summary) is worded in such a way that implies that it applies across the board regardless; whether the content is free or not. What about all those podcasts with 100% legal content? Music from the podsafe music network or other Creative Commons licensed work for instance?

    Implement a DRM system but do not force us to use it. I would much prefer the RIAA simply not license content to DRM free broadcasts and sue those who don't have a license.

    Requiring DRM by law for all statutory licensed work is massive overkill.

    1. Re:Completely ludicrous by garcia · · Score: 5, Funny

      They are talking about XM radios that allow you to record the content. Are they going to demand that all audio recording devices use DRM to disable people from recording and redistributing this content? This is nothing more than a direct protection of the RIAA cronies by the government to try and hassle Sat radio.

      Fuck, we should really mandate all line-in, cassette recorders, and DAT recorders have this technology retroactively installed. We wouldn't want this precious content being recorded by those means!

      Report for retroactive DRM installation immediately!

    2. Re:Completely ludicrous by Itchyeyes · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At minimum proposals like this should be struck down for their extreme short-sightedness. Patent and copyright law exist to foster innovation and reward people for producing new works. Instead, laws like this merely protect the entrenched powers from having to do just that. This bill serves as an example of just how corrupt (or ignorant, pick one) its backers are. This law does nothing to protect the will of the people, nor does it advance any sort of greater good for society. Rather it promotes the interests of a specific group of businesses at the expense of everyone else. This is not democracy.

    3. Re:Completely ludicrous by Teresita · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If podcasts are from iPods, and Apple controls the DRM for iPods, wouldn't the government have to, err, get permission from Apple before making every broadcaster install the encyption software that Apple uses to distribute iTunes? Or are we living in Russia?

    4. Re:Completely ludicrous by pete6677 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Will it also become illegal for a band to freely distribute music on their own website? Or even to have a free concert? Its about the same damn thing. Why should anyone be required to lock up their own broadcast if they don't want to?

    5. Re:Completely ludicrous by omeomi · · Score: 1

      At minimum proposals like this should be struck down for their extreme short-sightedness.

      Hopefully this bill stands little chance of making its way through the house...

    6. Re:Completely ludicrous by melikamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My head starts spinning when I'm trying to understand how this applies to copyleft. The only fitting scheme I can think of is ROT13 applied twice:

      "You have unlimited rights to record, copy and/or shift the format of the streaming media. Our DRM system will ensure that no single user will be able to perform these functions more than infinity times. If, for example, you make an infinite number of copies, the playback feature for the media may become disabled."

      Uh... DRM never looked so good.

    7. Re:Completely ludicrous by Otter · · Score: 1
      I have not read the act itself but the TFA (and summary) is worded in such a way that implies that it applies across the board regardless...

      Here is the text. (Shorter than the link, BTW.) My guess is that as it's part of the copyright section, not a communications section, the idea that it applies to freely distributable content is just FUD, but IA(obviously)NAL.

    8. Re:Completely ludicrous by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, if they're really serious about this, they have to somehow block people from, as you say, recording and re-distributing. So, what they should be asking for is funds to research how to DRM compression waves (i.e., sound waves).

    9. Re:Completely ludicrous by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      Given that some bands have already had their websites closed down in the past because they had mp3s up for download, I'd say it was quite possible they would try.

      Succeeding though, now that's another matter entirely.

      Shit, they can't even stop the rampant worldwide use of bittorrent to share content, and they want to control podcasts?

      'This is the Barn Door Calling...'

    10. Re:Completely ludicrous by antarctican · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, if they're really serious about this, they have to somehow block people from, as you say, recording and re-distributing. So, what they should be asking for is funds to research how to DRM compression waves (i.e., sound waves).

      Well it seems the logical way of implementing such a scheme is direct implants in to everyone's ear drums. If the implant detects any illegal music or noise, your ears turn off.

      That'd certainly make electronics manufacturing simpler. The next phase could be for ocular implants.

    11. Re:Completely ludicrous by sowth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually they've been trying to implement an uncrackable watermarking system which would flag restricted music, then they wanted to mandate all recording devices and computers everywere detect these watermarks (at an increased expense in terms of cost for hardware and/or processing time--scanning all audio data is not free). It was called SMDI. Didn't really fly: first off, Professor Ed Felton showed he could easily crack the watermarking. Second, the bills which would've enforced things like the mandatory watermark detection (such as the SSSCA --info at EFF) caused a huge uproar. I think the MPAA also wanted it for video too.

      I mean those systems could cause major problems. Just imagine if you are filming your best friend's wedding, some joker walks by with his jukebox--maybe not even audiable enough for you to notice, but loud enough for the system to detect it, and the watermarking causes your camera to stop recording. Let's say you lose the "I do" part. That could really happen.

      From what I understand, banks and national treasuries have convinced some software and hardware developers to detect watermarking for photographic things. Such as Photoshop and printer drivers and such. Some printers also create a fingerprint so supposedly the secret service (or whatever agency controls currency fraud in your country) can trace the printed paper back to who printed it.

    12. Re:Completely ludicrous by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that mean that they're probably already beta testing them on the people running the *AA's? I mean they surely seem to be deaf and blind half the time; maybe they don't have their "illegal filter" turned down far enough to actual make sense of reality.

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    13. Re:Completely ludicrous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it is easier to make laws that instantly turn innocent people into criminals so you can pick up anyone at any time. Podcasters are looked upon as dissidents so making them all criminals makes it very easy to detain and jail you.

      Laws like this are for that single purpose only. Even the idiot-morons that are our Senators and representatives know that DRM stops nobody. Audible has the best DRM on the planet, I was able to circumvent/crack it withing 4 hours of thinking of how to get around the problem. Under current laws my wanting to play the audio books I legally paid for on my iRiver makes me a felon and can be arrested and tortured for information at any time.

      This is the reality of US laws and government. Anyone saying otherwise is either a corrupt fool in the system or an idiot with blinders on.

    14. Re:Completely ludicrous by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Requiring DRM by law for all statutory licensed work is massive overkill.

      Considering the laws that make it all possible, it's not really. This is the only way it can go. There is no other until ALL IP law is abolished.

      Sure am glad the dems are in charge now, aren't you? Yep, they're going to make a world of difference. I pity the poor suckers who actually believe that.

      I think the sing goes:
      Meet the new boss
      Same as the old boss...

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    15. Re:Completely ludicrous by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      If the RIAA does not make money off them? YES.

      I am not joking, These laws are bought and paid for by the Record companies.

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    16. Re:Completely ludicrous by iminplaya · · Score: 2

      Patent and copyright law exist to foster innovation and reward people for producing new works.

      No they don't. Who told you that pack of lies? The intent of the law is to restrict access to mass media technology to "authorized" groups and individuals. First the printing press and now the net.

      Instead, laws like this merely protect the entrenched powers from having to do just that.

      And now you know why patent and copyright law really exist. This has always its original purpose and why these kinds of laws are inevitable. And people who tell you otherwise are full of it.

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    17. Re:Completely ludicrous by anagama · · Score: 1

      Why doesn't this have a 50/50 split of funny/insightful mods yet (ending in insightful)?

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    18. Re:Completely ludicrous by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Umm..yea it does. Remember the Dems hold the House now, and a Bill Sponsor (Fienstein) and House Speaker Pelosi are close political buddies and both come from California where Hollywood calls the shots. And Hollywood wants this.

    19. Re:Completely ludicrous by __aawbkb6799 · · Score: 1
      Seems to be more about deregulating satellite firm fees by trading off with the *AA's. From the bill's author:
      ...Under current law some businesses are required to pay higher licensing rates than others even though they provide essentially the same services. In addition, if a new satellite company were to be formed today they would be required to pay a higher rate than the current two companies in the market - that is not fair. Instead this bill would establish the same rates for all companies.
      Meaning: the satelco lobby was yelling this week about DRM fees being handed down on their clients by the *AA, so we would level the fees for liscencing, and get cheap/free broadcasting for our presidential/re-election campaigns in 2k8 (3 of the 4 are up for re-election).
    20. Re:Completely ludicrous by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      At minimum proposals like this should be struck down for their extreme short-sightedness.

      Oh come on.

      Short-sightedness is the very *stuff* of Democracy!

      Where any project that takes more than 4 years is unlikely to ever be completed and any plan that takes more than 8 years is virtually guaranteed never to be completed!

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    21. Re:Completely ludicrous by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      Just imagine if you are filming your best friend's wedding, some joker walks by with his jukebox--maybe not even audiable enough for you to notice, but loud enough for the system to detect it, and the watermarking causes your camera to stop recording. Let's say you lose the "I do" part. That could really happen.

      where are your friends getting married where there's people walking by with boomboxes during the vows?

    22. Re:Completely ludicrous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, Podcast DRMs YOU!

    23. Re:Completely ludicrous by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      It was kinda a silly example, but how about a news crew, reporting on location (outside) & some yahoo drives by with the car stereo cranked. Just because his specific example wasn't something many of us are apt to encounter, doesn't mean the concept was invalid.

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    24. Re:Completely ludicrous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Will it also become illegal for a band to freely distribute music on their own website? No, never. Record industry has no motivation whatsoever to prohibit perfectly acceptable deeds that just happen to a) eat their profits b) threaten to make them obsolete.
      Are you paranoid or what?
    25. Re:Completely ludicrous by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Patent and copyright law exist to foster innovation and reward people for producing new works. Instead, laws like this merely protect the entrenched powers from having to do just that.

      Yeah. Have you ever read Animal Farm? Are you familiar with Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad? That's the original chant of the animals, because they see the two-legged people as evil. Then, as the new animal hegemony becomes entrenched, the chant is changed to Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better. The corollary is to the flip-flop of priorities in patent and copyright law: originally intended to protect the little guy and promote scientific and cultural advances, they now function primarily to help the currently powerful to stay powerful.

      But, even if you and I are cynical, we aren't blind or stupid. These facts are plain and public; there is no covert conspiracy here. Surprise! The government cares more about rich people! If you aren't rich, you have only one recourse, which is powerful recourse but used in this country with sad ineffectiveness: voting. If you want a different government, you have to demand it. If you want different copyright law, you have to demand it.

    26. Re:Completely ludicrous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Patent and copyright law exist to foster innovation and reward people for producing new works.*

      Hee hee hee. Good one. Tell us another, please.

    27. Re:Completely ludicrous by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      i know, i just got a funny image of someone walking thru the middle of a wedding ceremony with a boombox on their shoulder.

    28. Re:Completely ludicrous by omeomi · · Score: 1

      Umm..yea it does. Remember the Dems hold the House now, and a Bill Sponsor (Fienstein) and House Speaker Pelosi are close political buddies and both come from California where Hollywood calls the shots. And Hollywood wants this.

      True, but the democrats are generally somewhat more pro-civil liberties...at the very least, it stands a somewhat better chance of failing than it would have with an all-republican "our votes are for sale" congress...

    29. Re:Completely ludicrous by jrockway · · Score: 1

      That's wrong. Traditionally Democrats want Big Government to take away your rights, while the Republicans want to keep the government as small as possible. These days, though, that seems not to be the case -- the Republicans want to fuck over the people, legislate morality, expand the military, and kill all non-Christians; where the Democrats want to fuck over the people, raise taxes, and ban guns.

      Neither side is looking good.

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    30. Re:Completely ludicrous by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Lord knows we would all SUFFER if the journalists out there, fervently working on our behalf, DIDN'T GET ALL THE NEWS.

      Thoreau had a good section in his work Walden about 'the news.' Today's homework is to find and read it.

    31. Re:Completely ludicrous by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      The Democrats and Republicans have all degenerated into what could be likened to a pack of thugs, except we don't want to use impolite language like that to describe our esteemed representatives in Washington.

      Let's just say they're all politicians and leave it at that.

      (no, no! there are good politicians, too.... ) *thwap*

    32. Re:Completely ludicrous by h2gofast · · Score: 0

      Guess again Dorothy. Democrats are only civil libertarians when it doesn't conflict with their lobbyist interest. And to say that only the Republicans are for sale is ludicrous. They are all for sale. I can think of two or three who aren't. I dare you to name one.

    33. Re:Completely ludicrous by dustman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just imagine if you are filming your best friend's wedding, some joker walks by with his jukebox--maybe not even audiable enough for you to notice, but loud enough for the system to detect it, and the watermarking causes your camera to stop recording.

      If the camera had stopped recording, My best friend's wedding would have been much improved.

    34. Re:Completely ludicrous by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Don't delude yourself. Votes are just as up for sale with the Dems as with the Republicans. The Democrats are firmly in the pocked of the Hollywood interests.

      How forcing people to lock down free speech with DRM is acceptable is beyond me. Attempting to suborn the Bill of Rights should be an impeachable and imprisonable offense.

      But it's the Democrats, so it's all fine and dandy with the Slashdot crowd.

      Newsflash, both parties are chock full of corrupt, bough politicos with no other goal but lining their pockets.

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    35. Re:Completely ludicrous by Technician · · Score: 1

      some joker walks by with his jukebox--maybe not even audiable enough for you to notice, but loud enough for the system to detect it,

      More likely, they didn't hire a musician and played a CD in the sound system. Same results.. Dead recording at a critical moment.

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    36. Re:Completely ludicrous by omeomi · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Traditionally Democrats want Big Government to take away your rights, while the Republicans want to keep the government as small as possible.

      This is so far from the truth with the current party of Republicans, it's amazing that anybody would even *consider* mentioning it. And actually, unless you're talking about the right to have assault weapons or pollute the environment, Democrats generally aren't the ones trying to take away your rights. And as far as "big government" is concerned, regardless of what the world was like 20 years ago, today it's the Republicans that want to build a gigantic government, spend all of our money (mostly on the military), and take away as many of our rights as they can.

    37. Re:Completely ludicrous by Coward+the+Anonymous · · Score: 1

      where are your friends getting married where there's people walking by with boomboxes during the vows? One couple I know was married on a public beach. The city didn't allow them to block anything off so there were lots of people walking and jogging by within 10 feet of them.
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    38. Re:Completely ludicrous by faolan_devyn_aodfin · · Score: 1

      They are all for sale. It's just a matter of to whom and for what price

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    39. Re:Completely ludicrous by ppanon · · Score: 1

      Well, if you were a politician and you wanted to make some incredibly inflammatory remarks, such as denying the holocaust, supporting cross burning, or calling somebody a macaque, you could do it with impunity by running a watermarked background music with your speech to prevent anybody from taping it. Then you could just deny any reports about what you had said as character assassination by your opposition.

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    40. Re:Completely ludicrous by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Neither party has been sucessful at reducing the size of the Government. In reality, it's a dream. As the population grows the number of Gov't workers will grow too in order to provide the services needed. Plus you have the Gov't workers union which has a very strong lobby.

      The size of the military is pretty small compared to the number of Gov't workers in other jobs, plus the majority of the military right now are Reservists who go back to public sector jobs after serving so you can't count them as permanent.

    41. Re:Completely ludicrous by omeomi · · Score: 1

      The size of the military is pretty small compared to the number of Gov't workers in other jobs, plus the majority of the military right now are Reservists who go back to public sector jobs after serving so you can't count them as permanent.

      Possibly, but the military budget absolutely eclipses everything else...

    42. Re:Completely ludicrous by coredog64 · · Score: 1

      And actually, unless you're talking about the right to have assault weapons When you say "assault weapons" what do you mean? Weapons that can be used to assault people? Is that something like a baseball bat? A knife? A taser? Or did you mean to say assault rifle?

    43. Re:Completely ludicrous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      direct implants in to everyone's ear drums.

      You mean that they are trying to close their long fought with a-hole through ears?!

    44. Re:Completely ludicrous by jamstar7 · · Score: 1
      raditionally Democrats want Big Government to take away your rights, while the Republicans want to keep the government as small as possible. These days, though, that seems not to be the case -- the Republicans want to fuck over the people, legislate morality, expand the military, and kill all non-Christians; where the Democrats want to fuck over the people, raise taxes, and ban guns.

      Which just goes to convince me more and more of the need to reboot the system.

      Course, mention that in a couple more years, I'll be advocating it from Gitmo...

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    45. Re:Completely ludicrous by Nethead · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, to disable the cameras at the next bank I hold up.....

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    46. Re:Completely ludicrous by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Well if they must lock up their own broadcasts, they can always buy a Zune! Microsoft...always one step ahead.

    47. Re:Completely ludicrous by BridgeGarth · · Score: 1

      Not that silly an example. We had music playing in church during our wedding. I suppose, technically, that was a breach of someone's copyright. Funny that no-one from the church or congregation went to trouble of making sure we had all the paperwork in order to "allow" us to play our own CDs.

    48. Re:Completely ludicrous by joshetc · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true Democrat. Lets try reading further.

      Traditionally Democrats want Big Government to take away your rights, while the Republicans want to keep the government as small as possible. These days, though, that seems not to be the case

      My God!

    49. Re:Completely ludicrous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not democracy.

      Sure it is. Democracy is some group (at best a "majority", but not necessarily) holding power (the "right" to employ coercion as their means) over another group. That's exactly what's going on here: the group who wins that special "right" are the aggressors, and in this case you are the victim (one of the losers). Fun, huh?

      That's all it really boils down to. Government is the organization holding that special "right" to employ coercion as their means (anyone else who does so is a criminal). Democracy is simply a process of determining who gets that special "right" and who does not. It's not the only way to do it, but it's the most prevalent one nowadays. (Ironically, there's just as much overall death and destruction in the world today as 1000 years ago. Probably more.)

      Any law which goes beyond simply enforcing the principle of voluntary association, which of course is the first and original justification for any government, necessarily benefits some group at the expense of some other group. Any law which truly protects human rights, like a law prohibiting the iniatiation of physical force, will have 100% majority support (save a few who sadly can't think like a rational human being); all other laws won't even come close. Try it -- conduct a survey among your friends. Ask them if they support laws against theft. Then ask them if they support laws compelling them to mow their grass, or fork over more property taxes next year so the mayor can expand his business (the business of running the local government, that is).

      Of course, I'd bet my house that you are the aggressor in some (probably many) other cases -- what forms of oppression do YOU support that others don't? Do you support the oppression of one's natural human right to self-defense ("gun control")? Many people do, but many do not. No consensus -- not even close, not even in the ball park. How about drug prohibition which has put millions of non-violent people in jail, giving the US the highest incarceration rate in the world? Years of indoctrination have conditioned the average person to simply accept it, but still it doesn't even approach consensus, not even close. Or perhaps you think that it's right to force others to support NASA's many adventures for example, even though if they actually had free choice they would refuse. That's oppression too -- it requires coercion to get it done, doesn't it?

      My point is that if you support the oppression of anyone's natural human right (namely the right to be FREE from coercion), for any reason, in any instance, then how can you expect them to care about you and your natural human right to be free of coercion? Democracy is a big pie. The winners are those who can seize a piece of that pie before anyone else gets their hands on it. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy to realize what government really is, doesn't it?

    50. Re:Completely ludicrous by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      You jest, but I think the whole concept of a subaudible "no record" flag, which causes recording devices to instantly turn themselves off or garble the recording, is intensely 1984-esque.

      The situation you're talking about is only the beginning. There are lots of things that you could prevent people from recording, with sensitive enough watermarking circuits. Heck, you could probably print T-shirts with special patterns on them, that stopped cameras from recording -- after all, we don't want people making "embarassing" videos of our local gendarmes with their cameraphones.

      You can say it's tinfoil-hattism, but once you start mandating specific circuits into everyday devices, which have no purpose other than to serve political ends, you've really opened Pandora's Box. Basically, you've said that if you have enough money (enough to buy Congress, as the content industry has), you can make yourself un-recordable.

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    51. Re:Completely ludicrous by aonaran · · Score: 1

      One thing you missed in your example is Professional recording equipment does not normally have the same DRM limitations as consumer equipment.

      eg: when macrovision was around pro VTRs would not go bonkers like your home VCR did if a macrovision signal was fed into it. Also Sony's Minidiscs were only allowed to make 1 generation of copies, but the pro gear ignored that limitation.

    52. Re:Completely ludicrous by omeomi · · Score: 1

      When you say "assault weapons" what do you mean? Weapons that can be used to assault people? Is that something like a baseball bat? A knife? A taser? Or did you mean to say assault rifle?

      How you managed to search Wikipedia for "assault weapons", and not come up with this, I'll never know:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons

      In case that didn't clear it up, I'm referring mainly to the types of weapons that were banned during the Clinton administration, but which became legal again under the Bush administration. Weapons that really have no place being in the hands of civilians.

    53. Re:Completely ludicrous by grahamm · · Score: 1

      If creative commons material were to be forced to be "protected" by Digital Rights Management, then said DRM would have to enforce the right to make copies, derivative works etc as mandated by the copyright owner.

    54. Re:Completely ludicrous by coredog64 · · Score: 1
      Maybe it's because I was trying to make a point. That, and I actually have some reading comprehension skills:

      Exact definitions vary, but an assault weapon is most frequently defined as a semi-automatic rifle, shotgun, or pistol with a combination of any or all the following characteristics, which are largely based on appearance rather than function It's generally understood that assault weapons is a term used by people who know nothing about guns, don't want people to have scary looking guns, and think that it's trivial to convert a civilian model semi-automatic rifle into a fully automatic model.
    55. Re:Completely ludicrous by psylew · · Score: 1

      So making any reasonably reliable recording would require having the money to buy Professional equipment? No more home movies if you wanted to be sure you could have a copy of a whole event? It's not often that you can control every sound in the background of a recording.

    56. Re:Completely ludicrous by omeomi · · Score: 1

      How exactly are these characteristics based on appearance rather than function?

      * A detachable magazine holding more than 10 rounds.
      * A folding or telescoping stock
      * Attached grenade launchers
      * A bayonet lug
      * Threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor
      * any rifle chambered to fire the .50 BMG cartridge


      Those all seem like pretty functional characteristics to me.

      It's generally understood that assault weapons is a term used by people who know nothing about guns, don't want people to have scary looking guns, and think that it's trivial to convert a civilian model semi-automatic rifle into a fully automatic model.

      Really? "Generally understood" by whom? Gun lobbyists?

    57. Re:Completely ludicrous by aonaran · · Score: 1

      My comment was in response to the claim that News media woulld be effected by drops in audio/video feeds due to background sounds.
      If you are running a news station and aren't hiring professionals and supplying them with professional equipment then shame on you.

    58. Re:Completely ludicrous by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      The Fed Govt #1 job is to provide for the National Defense. But if you look at things the Defense budget is only at the most 20% of the Federal Budget. The combined Social programs account for about 45% and if you add Social Security that figure jumps to 60%. That leaves only 20% for everything else including facilities and payroll. Defense is NOT the killer of budgets.

    59. Re:Completely ludicrous by psylew · · Score: 1

      I'm glad your comment was directed toward the news media concerns. Mine was an attempt to ask you and others what would happen to everyone else.

      Since you are focused on the media, what would happen if there were less footage shot by people who just happened to be at the scene of whatever qualifies as breaking news? Even if the unprofessional footage isn't worth a broadcast, reporters can still watch the event through an unbiased recording and report on something more consistent/reliable than eye-witness accounts.

    60. Re:Completely ludicrous by egypt_jimbob · · Score: 1

      Given that some bands have already had their websites closed down in the past because they had mp3s up for download, Which bands? (I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious)
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    61. Re:Completely ludicrous by jtull89 · · Score: 1

      Try watching an unauthorized copy of the movie Tommy on your PC, and you immediately become deaf and blind!

    62. Re:Completely ludicrous by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      It was a while back. They were independant bands releasing mp3 versions of their music online. The RIAA did a blanket search for web sites with mp3's on them and served takedown notices to their hosting services.

      It all got very embarassing for them, but they did it first, then backed down, rather then thinking about it.

    63. Re:Completely ludicrous by teknosapien · · Score: 1

      or could this be the first step in taxation?

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    64. Re:Completely ludicrous by fireweaver · · Score: 1

      "Well it seems the logical way of implementing such a scheme is direct implants in to everyone's ear drums. If the implant detects any illegal music or noise, your ears turn off."

      Don't teenagers already do this naturally, just with, ahem, different restrictions on blocked content?

    65. Re:Completely ludicrous by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You sound like a complete idiot to me if you actually believe such a ban is at all useful.

      1) How is a bayonet lug useful to criminals? When was the last time you heard of some criminal bayonetting someone to death? If you honestly believe people should be prevented from owning weapons with bayonet lugs, then any further argument with you is completely pointless.

      2) Attached grenade launchers? We already have other firearms laws, from back in the 30s, which ban people from owning things like grenade launchers, missiles, and the like. It wasn't useful for the idiotic assault weapons ban; it was just more buzzwords to get people emotional about the issue. When was the last time you heard about someone using a grenade launcher for a crime? Or better yet, when did someone use a grenade launcher before this law was passed in the 90s?

      3) What's wrong with a telescoping stock? Not everyone has arms of the same length; these seems like a useful addition to me.

      4) Threaded barrel for flash suppressor. What's the problem with a flash suppressor? Its function is to suppress muzzle flash, as you might guess from the name. What exactly is the problem with that? How has that contributed to crime? Do you have any statistics to show that this feature has actually increased crime at nighttime? I've never known criminals to care much about muzzle flash.

      5) 50 BMG. What's the problem here? 50 BMG rifles are for extremely long-range shooting, and more importantly, they're obscenely expensive. When have you ever heard of a criminal using such a rifle for a crime? If there isn't a real threat to public safety from people owning these weapons, then they should be allowed to buy them (if they can afford $5-10k for a rifle). If you don't agree with this logic, then how about you post a list of all the things you own, so I can look through it and decide which things you don't really need to own. I'll bet you own a car, or worse, an SUV. If so, those items are very dangerous, and can kill many people. An old man in California mowed down 50+ people a few years ago in a market with a car, killing over 10. If you own a motorized vehicle, you need to take it to the junkyard and turn it in before you kill someone with it just like that man did. If you don't trust me with a 50 BMG rifle, I don't trust you with a 5000-pound vehicle. If you need transportation, you can use a bicycle or take a city bus, driven by a specially trained and licensed driver.

    66. Re:Completely ludicrous by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      There's going to be a difference with the Dems, make no mistake. But remember, the reason people voted the Dems into office this November was because of the Iraq War, not because of IP laws. The Iraq War was never very popular, and now that it's looking like it'll never end, people have lost confidence in Bush, and by extension, his party. Because of this, we probably will see some real changes on the Iraq situation, if not before November 2008, then after. Hopefully these changes will be positive. However, we may also see a lot of other stupid stuff pushed by the Dems, such as more kowtowing to the media cartels, since that's something the Dems have been famous for in the past.

      Both parties are controlled by big corporations, just by different ones. The Reps are controlled by Big Oil and the like (and also Big Religion), while the Dems are controlled by Disney, Hollywood, and the like.

    67. Re:Completely ludicrous by ppanon · · Score: 1

      Oh, no, I was completely serious. I wanted to make it clear how such a feature easily could be abused to prevent legitimate recordings, in manners fundamentally dangerous to democracy and modern civilization.

      Heck, it cuts both ways! I could see criminals using it to prevent security recording devices from functioning while they perform crimes. Say, while performing a bank robbery or to kill a police officer who has stopped them when they are carrying drugs or dead bodies in their cars. It's just ludicrous how this can be abused and the people who would promote this legislation without considering such scenarios should be branded in the press as grossly incompetent and unfit to hold those offices.

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  2. underground by celardore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's just stick to streaming audio, or even downloadable mp3s. You don't have to "podcast" to be heard. There are other alternatives.

    1. Re:underground by DJCacophony · · Score: 5, Informative

      The PERFORM Act will require streaming radio to be DRM'd, too. In fact that's really what it applies to - the fact that it might affect podcasting is just a side effect.

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    2. Re:underground by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Great idea! And when I want my friends and listeners to know I've updated, I could start an RSS feed!

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    3. Re:underground by DJCacophony · · Score: 5, Informative

      Now that I RTFA, it doesn't even mention podcasts - not even a passing reference. Why did the submitter even mention them? "Mandatory DRM for streaming radio proposed" would be a more accurate headline.

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    4. Re:underground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't podcast just fancy name for a downloadable mp3? Or am I missing something? Seriously, have I had wrong this whole time?

    5. Re:underground by DJCacophony · · Score: 1

      No, a "podcast" is where somebody hosts audio files and then puts links to said files or streaming audiocasts in an RSS feed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast

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    6. Re:underground by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      That's all a Podcast is; a URL to an audio file, streamable or otherwise, that happens to be linked from an RSS/Atom/etc feed. Said feed doesn't seem to have any impact on this proposal.

      I wonder how much these people are getting bribed^Wpaid for pushing this utter crack.

    7. Re:underground by dsanfte · · Score: 1

      DRMed. No apostrophe necessary.

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    8. Re:underground by frakir · · Score: 1

      WTF is a 'podcast'? Isn't it just a idiotic, leet name for audio file you download?

      Now, some formats can be streamed while others can't but that is a different piece of cake....
      Since you stipulate it might affect 'podcasts' then it will as well affect *ALL* mp3, ogg, etc files.

    9. Re:underground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did the submitter even mention them? "Mandatory DRM for streaming radio proposed" would be a more accurate headline.

      Ah, but that'd make it a dupe, and those aren't allowed...

    10. Re:underground by Ulven · · Score: 1

      It's meant to be one that's embedded in an RSS feed.

      Some people and places just use it as you describe.

    11. Re:underground by AnyoneEB · · Score: 1
      Uh, no. Maybe it is a stupid buzzword, but podcast does actually mean something.
      Though podcasters' web sites may also offer direct download or streaming of their content, a podcast is distinguished from other digital audio formats by its ability to be downloaded automatically, using software capable of reading feed formats such as RSS or Atom.
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    12. Re:underground by Myopic · · Score: 1

      what's the difference between a downloadable mp3 and a podcast?

    13. Re:underground by TheUser0x58 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The PERFORM Act will require streaming radio to be DRM'd, too. In fact that's really what it applies to - the fact that it might affect podcasting is just a side effect.

      The stupid thing about this bill is that it, according to Feinstein, "would require the use of readily available and cost-effective technology to prevent music theft". What readily available and cost-effective DRM technology works with streaming broadcasts? None that I know of, not even from the usual suspects (Microsoft, Real). So, until someone comes around and writes this magic software, this part of the bill won't mean anything.

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    14. Re:underground by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      "Streaming radio" is so Web 1.0 man, get with the times. Now that we have moved to Web 2.0, its all about "podcasts" and "AJAX" and "mash-ups" and other meaningless buzzwords that describe old technologies.

      On a more serious note, while we are complaining about the quality of the submission...
      Why does it name Feinstein and Biden but not Lindsey Graham and Lamar Alexander, instead just calling them "two GOP senators"? Are they trying to belittle the Republicans by not even giving their names? Or are they trying to blame the Democrats by calling the focus to them? Its not like Graham or Alexander are exactly political unknowns.

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    15. Re:underground by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      "What readily available and cost-effective DRM technology works with streaming broadcasts? None that I know of, not even from the usual suspects (Microsoft, Real). So, until someone comes around and writes this magic software, this part of the bill won't mean anything."
      Or else it would mean that all the streaming broadcasts would have to shut down until the magic software was written good enough for government work.

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    16. Re:underground by ccmay · · Score: 1
      Why does it name Feinstein and Biden but not Lindsey Graham and Lamar Alexander, instead just calling them "two GOP senators"?

      Possible reasons:

      1) The Republicans are now out of power and therefore insignificant to the bill's likelihood of success

      2) The writer is trying to make the point that, contrary to uninformed popular opinion, the Democrats are fellating the Hollywood big shots even more cravenly and corruptly than the Republicans used to.

      -ccm

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  3. Danger danger, buzzword overload by Psionicist · · Score: 1

    Are they trying to restrict internet radio in general, or are they really talking about podcasts only as per Slashdots title?

  4. copyleft? by User+956 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article: 'All audio services -- Webcasters included -- would be obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable" copy-protection technology aimed at preventing "music theft" and restricting automatic recording.'"

    What about copyleft-licensed broadcasts? You can't "steal" something that's free.

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    1. Re:copyleft? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Welcome to my podcast.
      "Before getting to the music, you have to listen to this GPL license.

      *mad llama rant*

      "If you do not agree to the license, please stop the tape and listen to something else instead.

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    2. Re:copyleft? by jgc7 · · Score: 1
      There is a provision that the distributor has the option to negotiate a "fair market" agreement with the content owner to distribute the content without DRM. So in the case of Creative Commons Licensed/Free material, there should be no problem because the license grants the right of free distribution.

      However, this law really sucks, and will likely have unintended consequences. As I read it, the law would outlaw a Tivo, because a Tivo allows me to record TV show and movie sound tracks by title.

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    3. Re:copyleft? by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      so, you record podcasts to tape do you ?
      Explains a lot !

    4. Re:copyleft? by speculatrix · · Score: 1

      I'll just use DRM-13, it's like ROT-13 only it's applied to video or audio streams... and may GOd have mercy on your soul if you publish the decryption algorithm (DE-DRM-13), Mr "DVD" Jon!

    5. Re:copyleft? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      I hate to be technical, but the GPL only covers derivitive works, not mere use/listening of something under its license; it's not an end-user license, even though I often encounter GPL programs which erroneously require me to agree to the GPL before I can even run the program.

    6. Re:copyleft? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      If you read from the GPL itself, you will note:

      To do so, attach the following notices to the program. It is safest to attach them to the start of each source file to most effectively convey the exclusion of warranty; and each file should have at least the "copyright" line and a pointer to where the full notice is found.

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    7. Re:copyleft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about copyleft-licensed broadcasts? You can't "steal" something that's free.

      Applying the American Corporatist definition of "steal", you certainly can. Copyleft is just an ingenious application of copyright. For example, if someone sold your GPL program without offering the source, they would be infringing on your copyright.

      The way this law appears to be written (I only read TFA, not TFL), any broadcast including copyrighted material must be DRMed to "protect" the copyright holder. The catches, of course, are "what is a broadcast" and "what is DRM?" I would bet everything I own that "DRM" will be defined in terms of a per-use license that must be purchased from a MAFIAA puppet quango while "broadcast" will be any medium that allows the general public to access copyrighted content. In a nutshell, Americans will require a license to post content and another to read it. This is a triple play for the scumsuckers: Generate revenue from both the audience and the creator on ALL content as well as restricting speech to those who can afford it and/or represent compliant views (Wrote a bad review? No license for you!). It would be a win for the Administration too as it sidesteps the Constitution quite nicely (in theory, anyone who has enough money can start their own newspaper).

    8. Re:copyleft? by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      I direct-to-disc master them and press vinyl copies for all my friends.

    9. Re:copyleft? by aj50 · · Score: 1
      Reminds me of:
      This is a librivox recording. All librivox recordings are in the public domain. For more information, or to find out how you can volunteer, please visit librivox.org
      Librivox is a great project but having to listen to this at the beginning of every chapter does get a little annoying.
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    10. Re:copyleft? by dhasenan · · Score: 1

      What about XOR-0?

  5. Meet the new boss - same as the old boss... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, this is going to be good.

    I have my marshmallows all ready, let's get some fires going.

  6. Don't they by ericdano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't they have something better to do? How about funding our troops? Working out a resolution with Iran? etc etc.

    Damn. Feinstein needs to be doing stuff for me, a Californian. I want her to get us off of using Oil, not worrying about Podcasts.

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    1. Re:Don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must second you on that one. What kind of people are we electing ... ? :(

    2. Re:Don't they by bunions · · Score: 0, Troll

      It hurt, but I actually voted republican for senator last time. No real effect of course, but I feel cleaner now. Between gun control and pandering to hollywood, I just couldn't do it anymore.

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    3. Re:Don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Write her a letter and wrap it around a stack of $100s and she might actually have one of her staffers read your letter before throwing it out.

      One thing I'd like to ask -- if a politician swears an oath to uphold the Constitution and then violates that oath, is it a crime, if so what type of crime is it, and how do we kick-start the process of charging some of today's politicians with that crime?

    4. Re:Don't they by rossz · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've made it a standard practice to vote for whomever is running against Feinstein. I can't stand that bitch. In fact, I'd vote for a hard core communist if he ran against her. At least the commie would be honest about what he is, unlike Feinstein who pretends to have our best interest at heart, but is obviously bought and paid for by several special interest groups (the RIAA being one of them).

      The basic problem with California is it's about equally divided between ultra-left and moderate/right. The left being concentrated in the big cities (San Francisco, Los Angeles, etc), and the right spread out across the rest of the state. The ultra-left usually has a slight edge when it comes to votes. I'd love for us to elect a couple of moderate demos OR republicans. Either is good, so long as they are moderate.

      Oh, and someone please do us a favor and nuke Berkeley into a glass parking lot. I used to go there all the time to visit a certain book store (Another Change of Hobbit), but I avoid the place now as I end up wanting to beat the crap out of far too many assholes hanging out in the streets there.

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    5. Re:Don't they by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Damn. Feinstein needs to be doing stuff for me, a Californian.
      A lot of music and entertainment industry execs are Californians, too. And they have more money than you do...
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    6. Re:Don't they by WebCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Feinstein needs to be doing stuff for me, a Californian. I want her to get us off of using Oil, not worrying about Podcasts.

      Unfortunately for you, a good number of big-time entertainment execs and mega-superstar performers are also Californians. Such people don't truly give a rat's arse about oil dependency--they are very much a self-interested lot and care very dearly about being able to make their Ferarri payments using income from Podcasts. Also, unfortunately for you, they can donate (or withhold for that matter) much larger campaign contributions.

      Until there is some meaningful campaign and lobby reform in the US, voters shouldn't worry about a pregnant-chad-laden paper cards or the touch screens on a glitchy computer terminals...because the REAL US election ballot is the dollar bill.

    7. Re:Don't they by JoshJ · · Score: 1

      It should be considered Treason. Treason is punishable by death, for what it's worth.

    8. Re:Don't they by east+coast · · Score: 1

      I want her to get us off of using Oil, not worrying about Podcasts.

      How about getting YOURSELF off of oil? Waiting around for the government to do this work for you is insane and a mark of laziness.

      If you really think the US of A is controlled by corporate interests and you want to see the us move away from oil than cast your votes with your dollars.

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    9. Re:Don't they by ericdano · · Score: 1

      Um, I am when I can. This last summer I drove to work only once a week, the other days I rode my bike.

      The government needs to be involved. They need to push car makers to increase the MPG of cars, and promote Hybrid technology on all cars. In fact, they should mandate 90% of cars being made to be hybrid by that time.

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    10. Re:Don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bit Off Topic, but why would she care about Moving us off Oil? Attacking Podcasts or the Like is surely able to get her more Media Attention. Besides, trying to move California to alternatives from Oil is a lot more work than rounding up the sheep and having them attack technology.

    11. Re:Don't they by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      needs to be doing stuff for me, a Californian. I want her to get us off of using Oil, not

      I don't think you represent the majority. Clearly, the majority of people in California elect leaders because they're entertaining. Why else elect the governator?

      I imagine she's got an bill in the works to put giraffes in the air (possibly nsfw, but no explicit imagery), and another one (in conjunction with the governor) to officially change the pronunciation of California to "Cal-ee-phone-ee-ah."

      Not that my state is much better...some of us Floridians have difficulty even voting right.

      So...maybe this is a joke? I like to think so.

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    12. Re:Don't they by ericdano · · Score: 0, Troll

      Hey, Arnold has done a good job. He has been more effective than Davis was. That guy fucked up the economy big time.

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    13. Re:Don't they by rawtatoor · · Score: 1

      Feinstein needs to be doing stuff for me,

      Excuse me, how much did you donate to her campaign now? I'm just sayin' ya know?

    14. Re:Don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if you were already throwing away your vote, why'd you have to lend support to the Republican Party? Would you have been throwing your vote further away if you'd voted independent or third-party? You obviously don't truly support the Republican Party.

    15. Re:Don't they by bunions · · Score: 1

      actually, I think I did vote Libertarian, I can't remember who I voted -for-, but I do remember who I voted against.

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    16. Re:Don't they by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

      It won't happen. Not until the invisible hand pushes gas prices to $10 a gallon, and the public wants hybrids, will that happen. The free market, in this case, seems to be overpowering what little government interference there's been. Americans are truly dedicated to their SUVs and Corvettes.

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    17. Re:Don't they by Divebus · · Score: 1

      I must second you on that one. What kind of people are we electing ... ? :(

      Single Term People

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    18. Re:Don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I want her to get us off of using Oil, not worrying about Podcasts."

      You honestly think that Feinstein is going to solve the oil problem? 5 Insightful must mean "f'n hilarious" I guess.

      A little government here, a little there, but none here doesn't work. Once given power it will want all power and won't restrict itself to your chosen pet interests. Why don't people get this... Worse, why do people look to government as a savior? Maybe you should be doing something to solve oil instead of looking to a nanny state to do it for you.

      But hey, the Democrats look out for the little guy, man. And they prove it every day.

    19. Re:Don't they by GR1NCH · · Score: 1

      I don't understand all this talk about Hybrids. You can make a very economical gasoline powered car using light weight materials a small engine and an aerodynamic design. It would be much cheaper than any hybrid would be. People just cannot get over their big engines and either care more about style than aerodynamics. Then again most people are also totally clueless about aerodynamics as well (think pickup trucks with the tailgates down and a cargo net).

      The other problem you have, is that the large SUV's and Truck's on the road today, would make this type of car very unsafe. Probably not any less safe than a small roadster like a Miata though.

    20. Re:Don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's plenty of Californians I'd like to get me off using oil, but the Senator isn't one of them.

    21. Re:Don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    22. Re:Don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But not more skill at rendering her legislation irrelevant.

      Or more skill at anything, for that matter.

      Hack on.

    23. Re:Don't they by bergeron76 · · Score: 0

      I'd like to know who the GOP Senators are. I love how the submitter only mentioned the Democratic Senators, and not the Republican ones.

      DRM is definitely more of a Republican (protect the poor rich corporations) motive, than a Democrat one.

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    24. Re:Don't they by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Where I live, there are many offices where no Democrat even runs. There is the Republican who will win, and maybe a Libertarian candidate.

      And, believe it or not, the Republican US Senator (Richard Lugar) ran unopposed this time. That's right. A state-wide US Senate seat for which the Democrats didn't even bother to slate a candidate. I feel like I live on the flipside of Ted Kennedy-land.

    25. Re:Don't they by coredog64 · · Score: 1

      The government needs to be involved. They need to push car makers to increase the MPG of cars, and promote Hybrid technology on all cars. In fact, they should mandate 90% of cars being made to be hybrid by that time. We're in this mess because somebody thought it would be a good idea to make manufacturers responsible for making buyers responsible. Unfortunately, at the same time these same somebodies didn't want to eviscerate their union base and so they wrote some very fucked up laws. As a result, they created the market for ginormous SUVs. The law of unintended consequences is a bitch!

      What would you say if the EPA wrote up a policy that said that it was okay to pollute as much as you wanted if you were dumping in poor people's back yards? What would you say if OSHA said that you could disregard every other safety guideline if the workers were making minimum wage? I know what you'd say -- you'd scream bloody murder. Yet you're doing the same thing here by mandating hybrids and ultra-high fuel economy. Who drives older cars? Poor people. Who drives new ultra-compacts? Poor people. Increasing the cost of new cars means the working poor will wind up with older, less safe cars. Besides, new car sales is a piss-poor mechanism for improving the overall fleet economy and decreasing pollution. It would be far more cost effective to phase out cars @ 10-15 years (with exemptions for low-mileage per year collector cars) and offer some sort of subsidy for low income folks to get clean, safe, new(er) cars.
  7. The REAL Reason behind DRM'd Podcasts... by andrewd18 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I get it... By making everyone use DRM on their podcasts, each terrorist will have to legitimately purchase Osama Bin Laden's podcasts off of iTunes, thus driving up the price of terrorism!

    Brilliant!

    1. Re:The REAL Reason behind DRM'd Podcasts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next thing you know, they'll be mandating a terrorism futures exchange

      Oh, wait...

  8. Availability of entertainment by JeffSh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The availability of entertainment and the distraction it is to persons who might otherwise be motivated to do something more productive than consuming entertainment is what keeps the majority of Americans disinterested in the political process.

    It makes me wonder if these senators know they are poking a sleeping beast with a stick. If I were a senator who preferred constituents who didn't care, I would be wont to introduce such legislation that may them from their distractions.

    1. Re:Availability of entertainment by Speed+Pour · · Score: 1

      I'm not being original in saying this, but if the American people actually knew what most politicals spent their time on (pages and interns excluded), there would be a lot more people sending letters and demands for something more worthwhile to be done in Washington. Unfortunately the average american (or any other nationality) is just as uninformed (and just as disinterested) as the politicians behind the creation of these laws.

      What I think will be interesting is when this law butts heads with the 1st amendment. Remember, this law technically requires that a lock be put onto essentially every digital broadcast, commercial or free. Even though that broadcast may go out open initially, it doesn't mean somebody won't decide to turn the key to quiet somebody tomorrow. This law will effectively enable major 1st amendment violations. In a sense, it already does, as free speech means that a message goes out un-altered...which this law appears to prohibit.

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  9. Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, and two GOP senators

    The "two GOP senators" are Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.).

    1. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because hypocrisy is a sin for Democrats and par for the course for Republicans.

    2. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's easy stupid, the Dems are names and the GOP's are nobodies.

      Nobodies? Lindsey Graham and Lamar Alexander??? Really?

      Have you ever read a newspaper in your life?

      And please save all your "NUH-UH! I've heard of 'em" bullshit, you know I'm right.

      Sure, whatever.

    3. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the Dems are names and the GOP's are nobodies.

      Only to you, because those two Democrats are frequent targets of your two-minutes-hate. To anyone at all familiar with US politics, they are all big names, and I'd be willing to bet that the average person on the street couldn't identify any of them.

    4. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by goldspider · · Score: 1

      Because Democrats have declared this congress the most ethical congress evar.

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    5. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by exploder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because you expect it from the Republicans.

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      Yo dawg, I heard you like the Ackermann function, so OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD
    6. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobodies? Lindsey Graham and Lamar Alexander??? Really? Yes RUHUHUHEEEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYY. I know the truth is for Dems like the sun is for vampires, but all the "don't you read a newspaper" bullshit doesn't change reality. What's happening here is YOUR people are getting shit on, and you hate it, so you try to shit on the OTHER people. But that still doesn't make the other people names. It just makes you anpther petty, partisan toady who is to wrapped up in winning to pay a bit of attention to the fact that your people are liars and thieves too. And yes, I read the newspaper daily, that's why I'm informed about the names vs the nobodies, and you're a trash spouting moron.

    7. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by GiovanniZero · · Score: 1

      In my estimation, and maybe I'm crazy, you name the Democrats you don't have to name their party. So it looks like it's a GOP sponsored bill not a non-partisan effort from both parties. Sure it makes the two dem's look bad but it makes the whole republican party look bad. Full Disclosure: I do lean to the right.

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    8. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by BarlowBrad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google Search Results:
      "Joe Biden": 997,000 results
      "Dianne Feinstein": 849,000 results
      "Lindsey Graham": 676,000 results
      "Lamar Alexander": 502,000 results

      So if Google is any measure of their recognition, Biden and Feinstein are clearly more "well-known", but Graham and Alexander are hardly nobodies. Either way, I think that if anyone was named they all should have been named.

      On a separate note, don't you just love bipartisan politics?

    9. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only to you, because those two Democrats are frequent targets of your two-minutes-hate

      Yeah, you're clearly a Dem, if someone disagrees with you they must be EEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVILLLLLLLLLLL (read GOP)

      Guess what cunt? WRONG! I know who they all are, and I am simply more aware of what the people who are not as well informed as me DO KNOW.

      YOU on the other hand, saw something you disliked and immediately assumed I MUST be attacking the Dems. Which is, actually, exactly what a Democrat would do. Why bother having a reasonable discourse when you can shout and stamp you fucking feet like a four year old?

      Registered Democrat since 1993, and I hate it because morons like you call themselves Dems too.

    10. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by bck9666 · · Score: 1

      I do not get why people keep electing these pukes - all of them both Dems & Repubs. There really needs to be a minimum IQ and educational level that should be required prior to letting people vote or run for office (or breed, for that matter).

      Biden is the imbecile who, aside from this brilliant piece of legislation, pushed endlessly to get anabolic steroids classified as a Schedule III substance (the same class as heroine), ignoring testimony of both the DEA and AMA urging that it not be scheduled at all. Of course his justification was that he's doing it to "save the children". Thousands of people who weren't hurting anybody have had their lives completely destroyed by this scumbag.

      Are the DRM-encrusted podcasts also to save the children or just payback for some other personal favor done by the RIAA/MPAA?

    11. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by SydShamino · · Score: 0

      The original title of this submission, when I saw it on the firehose this morning, was something like "Democrats Want Mandatory DRM" or something similar. The poster was clearly trying to slant the article against Democrats.

      The Slashdot editors correctly fixed the title, but left the submission text alone.

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    12. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is not the population at large. And as an aside, your numbers are bullshit, I just got 1.7 million for Lamar Alexander, and 1.2 million for Joseph Biden.

      In the future, stop pretending that Google is some measure of the importance of something. It just makes you post to Slashdot with made up numbers that display your willingness to lie and obfuscate. And it really makes you look like an idiot, acting as though the number of hits on Google is a measure of anything other than the number of hits on Google.

    13. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're clearly a Dem

      Nope. They're scum too.

      Why bother having a reasonable discourse when you can shout and stamp you fucking feet like a four year old?

      Do you see the irony of that statement in the context of your inflammatory comment?

      Registered Democrat since 1993, and I hate it because morons like you call themselves Dems too.

      No, I don't call myself one. Thanks for playing.

    14. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1
      Apparently you are crazy since it seems the submitter was trying to bash the democrats with it. :)
      Or maybe you are just normal, since it doesn't seem rare for people to assume whatever group they belong to is being slighted.

      http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217018&cid =17620482
      The original title of this submission, when I saw it on the firehose this morning, was something like "Democrats Want Mandatory DRM" or something similar. The poster was clearly trying to slant the article against Democrats. The Slashdot editors correctly fixed the title, but left the submission text alone.
    15. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is not the population at large. And as an aside, your numbers are bullshit, I just got 1.7 million for Lamar Alexander, and 1.2 million for Joseph Biden.

      In the future, stop pretending that Google is some measure of the importance of something. It just makes you post to Slashdot with made up numbers that display your willingness to lie and obfuscate. And it really makes you look like an idiot, acting as though the number of hits on Google is a measure of anything other than the number of hits on Google.


      I was going to discount what you said, until I saw "Anonymous Coward" got over 1.2 million hits.

    16. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Knytefall · · Score: 1

      Because I know that those two Republicans can't be persuaded. Feinstein and Biden might be able to feel the wrath of the internets and change.

    17. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by supasam · · Score: 0

      Nanny nanny boo boo!! Stick your hand in poo poo! What ever you say, bounces of of me and sticks to you!! PPPPBBBTTTHHH!!! Donkeys are cooler than elephants!!

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    18. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Nope."

      Liar. People with no stake don't go on the offensive like you did. You're clearly a Dem, and now you're lying because you know I'm right. But you're also stupid, so your lie is obvious.

      "Do you see the irony of that statement in the context of your inflammatory comment?"

      First, look up irony. Second, I see nothing wrong with descending into the muck with you. The difference, as you are clearly incapable of discerning for yourself, is that I AM CAPABLE OF REASONABLE DISCOURSE, while all you can do is lie (about being a Dem) and attack. Like you did in your original post. And then again in this one. Like a four year old. YOU.

      Get it now? What the fuck am I thinking, you're a lying Dem, you'll never get it.

      And the best part? How you changed the subject away from the fact that you attacked me personally FOR NO REASON. I love that, because it demonstrates you know you were wrong, and an asshole, and have no rebuttal. So you lie. And attack again. Just LIKE THE DEM YOU ARE.

      So change the subject and lie, the truth is there, you attacked, said something stupid, said something else stupid, then attacked me for drawing attention to the fact that you made a moronic assumption not supported by fact.

      I WIN thanks for losing.

    19. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Both are Democrats in reality, just running as Republicans in states that are "conservative". The problem with the Senate is you get SIX years of crap from whoever you send up there. If they are a massive screw-up you just have to suffer for six years. The House you only suffer two years.

    20. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bother having a reasonable discourse when you can shout and stamp you fucking feet like a four year old?
      Hey, the GP is a four-year-old, you insensitive clod!

    21. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Because THIS time it was going to different. The Dems were gonna fight for the little guy. Save the middle class. Yeah. Well. I gues maybe NEXT time.

    22. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by SonicSpike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Because you expect it from the Republicans." ... Only if you are an uneducated, ignorant, biased, close-minded, partisan idiot.

      A bill to raise minimum wage has been introduced by Democrats. But an exception to this bill is the US territory of American Samoa.

      Why one might ask?

      Because StarKist the tuna company has a factory on that island. But why does that make them special? Because their HQ is in the district of Nanci Pelosi who introduced that part of the bill.

      Anyone who says that Democrats are "for the people" or "dont sell out to corporate interests" are full of horseshit. Both parties do it, both parties are guilty as hell, and BOTH parties should be barred from holding a majority of seats in the Congress.

      This is the sort of shit that makes my blood boil! Anyone who voted for EITHER the Dems or the Reps is part of the problem and helps continue this corporate sell-out of the US. Remember, the government that governs the least, governs the best.

      Don't believe me? Look here:
      http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&n...&ncl=1112569 873

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    23. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Darth+Liberus · · Score: 1

      er... heroin is Schedule I, "no accepted medical use."

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    24. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually its because they are in power now.

      Expect more of it. Slowy the press will shift their attention and when that happens there will be claims of a bias towards the right in the press.

      Still I truly expected McCain to have been one of the Republicans, he isn't any friend to our rights, especially after trying to hamstring the public's ability to get into politics.

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    25. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn how to use Google. If you don't put "Lamar Alexander" you get any page with *either* of those words in it, or both in any order.

      So sites about people's dogs named "Alexander" will be included.

    26. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by PadRacerExtreme · · Score: 1

      I just want to know where are the /. hordes screaming for Democrats heads. It was a daily thing just a few months ago....

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  10. Copying music is not theft by njchick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here goes my support for Joe Biden in the Democratic primaries.

    1. Re:Copying music is not theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you idiot. there are two wars in the middle east, and your voting decision is based on your right to copy songs off the radio.
      grow up.

    2. Re:Copying music is not theft by superwiz · · Score: 1

      The wars in the Middle East are supposed to be about reshaping the civlization. The statement about what constitutes ownership of an idea is an essential part of what is a civilization. So, yes, this is actually one of the most telling votes of Joe Biden's career.

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    3. Re:Copying music is not theft by wordsnyc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Joe Biden? The senator from MBNA? The lowlife scumbag who pushed through the "bankruptcy reform act" and fought to prevent caps on the interest card companies could charge? The guy who's never met a bank or payday lender he didn't want to help to screw the consumer? You were going to vote for that turd?

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    4. Re:Copying music is not theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to CNN, Joe Biden is also attacking the Confederate Flag, which to those of us in the South is a part of our heritage, NOT a symbol of hatred (as the liberal media likes to tell us daily). A few years ago, I saw a picture in the Washington Post of a demonstration in support of the flag in SC where there was a black gent in confederate garb, holding the flag and wearing a sign "HERITAGE, NOT HATE". It's a symbol of our past, not of hatred. You don't see much positive about the flag (it's not PC).

      http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/15/democrats.k ing.ap/index.html

      He just lost any hope of support from my family.

    5. Re:Copying music is not theft by njchick · · Score: 1
      What the President is supposed to do is to serve the people (not corporations) honestly. Experience is important for the President so that he or she can avoid being misled by lies and special interests. If the president serves special interests, we have unjust wars under false premises and laws that restrict what we can do in the privacy of our homes. No experience can make up for the lack of integrity and ethics.

      I'm not against copyright, but I'm against being presumed thief unless proven innocent. I'm not against being treated as an offender before an offense could take place. That would take away some (albeit small) part of my freedom, the same freedom that we are allegedly spreading to the Middle East at the expense of the lives of our soldiers.

    6. Re:Copying music is not theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is calling blacks "niggers" and burning crosses part of your heritage? Given enough efforts, one can always find blacks who want to be called niggers, or rabbis who want to destroy Israel, or masochists who want to be humiliated and shat upon.

    7. Re:Copying music is not theft by AdamKG · · Score: 1

      I live in the South; I have for 10 years. But even if I live here for fifty, the day will never come when I see a confederate flag without being disgusted, and the day will never come when I don't immediately discount the humanity and civility of those who choose to fly it.

      The confederate flag represents the ideology, government, and, yes, "culture" that holds a philosophy of hatred, dehumanization, and slavery. Glorifying that "heritage" is tasteless and idiotic, but most of all, it's offensive.

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    8. Re:Copying music is not theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that Biden would introduce this legislation with two wars in the middle east is a great reason not to vote for him.

    9. Re:Copying music is not theft by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Preventing us all from being turned into "digital serfs" by the MAFIAA is more important than wars in foreign countries!

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    10. Re:Copying music is not theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen him in debate at all on the floor? I saw him in the supreme court justice confirmations and the way he smiles on and off is just...creepy.

    11. Re:Copying music is not theft by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      We realize that you are in that age bracket where you feel that the particular brand and version of popular music that you listen to is a highly politically charged part of whom you are.

      And we're patient, and will tolerate you, as we know that you will eventually grow out of it.

      Hopefully before long.

    12. Re:Copying music is not theft by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      There was hatred, dehumanization, and (wage)slavery behind the Northern side (supported by the new powerful Industrial Class of the north) in the civil war as well.

      You sound like you should move back to Vermont, where you at least will be safe from those 'rednecks' and the racist reaction they arouse in you.

    13. Re:Copying music is not theft by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Fuck you for your condescending attitude! I wasn't talking only about music; that's just the tip of the iceberg.

      The real issue here is that as computers become more deeply infested with DRM, it'll be used to stifle innovation (Did you come up with some revolutionary new way of distributing media? Too bad for you!), destroy Free Software (Oh, sorry -- your "Trusted" hardware will let you recompile your GPL'd software all you want, but it'll refuse to run it because it's not approved by Microsoft), and destroy Free Speech and the transparency of government (You found evidence of the government doing something horrible? Too bad, the public will never find out because the DRM prevents you from copying the proof. Besides, even if you did write an article about it, the Powers That Be would just use their root key to retroactively erase it.).

      That's the kind of stuff that's more important than a war in a foreign country! I say that if that country has problems, let it sort them out itself. We've got plenty of our own problems right here.

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    14. Re:Copying music is not theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      which to those of us in the South is a part of our heritage, NOT a symbol of hatred

      A heritage of treason.

    15. Re:Copying music is not theft by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      The tides are turning. People are slowly figuring it out, and it's not gonna be able to keep going the way it has.

      If you think 'DRM' is gonna eat up freedom whole, you underestimate the power of a free population.

      And, uh, it is a free population. Your comment hasn't been silently deleted here. People aren't going to buy "it's because we're in a war against terra-ists" much longer, and their voices will be heard.

    16. Re:Copying music is not theft by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I hope you're right, but pardon me for continuing to be pessimistic. Some guy once said "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance," and I really took that to heart (even if I can't remember who said it at the moment).

      In other words, some kook has to keep worrying about this kind of thing, and it might as well be me.

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  11. Old news by BoberFett · · Score: 2

    This is old news. At least two days old: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/13/07 55256

    1. Re:Old news by OctaviusIII · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the act has been around for two years, but it's still kicking. I think I'm going to write an angry letter to Diane Feinstein('s staffers).

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  12. Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by MarkPNeyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who voted for democrats thinking liberty would be restored should take notice. Only Libertarians truly stand for constitutionally protected freedoms!

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    1. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      I second that

    2. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Usually it's only one constitutionally protected freedom judging by the Libertarians around here.

    3. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by End+Program · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Sorry to be redundant, but I THIRD that.

    4. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by DrinkDr.Pepper · · Score: 1

      All Animals are created equal, some more equal than others.

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    5. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by flaming+error · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once officials are elected, they do not protect freedoms; they protect their jobs.

      Party ideologies quickly go out the window, as we witnessed with the Republicans supersizing gov't with runaway deficit spending. The main differences between political parties are the differences in who funds them. And the bulk of the money comes from wealthy commercial interests who fund incumbents, regardless of party.

      If you manage to get a majority of any non-Republicrats in power, you'll learn that within a term or two the system corrupts even them.

    6. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1
      Only Libertarians truly stand for constitutionally protected freedoms!
      Of course you forget to mention that if Libertarians had their way then government would be entirely replaced by corporations at which point the Constitution, which serves to limit the powers of government, would become completely irrelevant and we'd no longer have any "constitutionally protected freedoms", just a lot of useless product warranties.
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    7. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by JoshJ · · Score: 1

      Fourth, with the caveat that libertarians should stop supporting the "right" of businesses to trample over the rights of individuals. Instead of democrats and republicans, if we had Libertarians and Socialists as the two political parties in the US, things would be far better.

    8. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who voted for democrats thinking liberty would be restored should take notice. Only Libertarians truly stand for constitutionally protected freedoms!

      Libertarians only stand for what Libertarians think of as "freedom", which is generally on the opposite side of common sense (like selling off the national parks, as one small example). It'd also be nice if the Libertarian party read the Ninth Amendment some time.

      The simple fact is that there is no party in the United States with moderate balances of individual liberty, reasonable and restrained government services, low taxes, business growth, and strong defense. It simply doesn't exist.

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    9. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "within a term or two the system corrupts even them."

      You mispelled "week or two"

    10. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you forget to mention that if Libertarians had their way then government would be entirely replaced by corporations at which point the Constitution, which serves to limit the powers of government, would become completely irrelevant and we'd no longer have any "constitutionally protected freedoms", just a lot of useless product warranties.

      And you forgot to mention you were pulling stuff from your ass. Anyone who says the equivalent of "Libertarians just want to sell everyone into corporate slavery" has no clue on what the core beliefs of Libertarians are, or the difference in beliefs among Libertarians.

    11. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Snarfangel · · Score: 1

      Libertarians only stand for what Libertarians think of as "freedom", which is generally on the opposite side of common sense (like selling off the national parks, as one small example). It'd also be nice if the Libertarian party read the Ninth Amendment some time.

      Perhaps you can read up on Geolibertarianism. Though theoretically you could build your dream home on the rim of the Grand Canyon, the land rent for it would be freakishly high.

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    12. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      And if the Libertarians ever became a mainstream party, they too would be co-opted by those who stand to profit through controlling government contracts and regulations. What we need is a constitution capable of preventing any concentration of state power, regardless of how many votes someone gets or what "mandate" they have. The current American experiment is beyond rehabilitation at this point. Here's hoping we do better next time.

    13. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no kidding: we're all so caught up in "left vs. right" that we've ignored "up vs. down" (as on this). Personally, I think we'd be better off with either the Libertarians or the Greens in power (I honestly don't care which). Either would be an improvement over the authoritarian Republicrats we've got now.

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    14. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      Of course if you had anything to say other than slogans you'd tell us all exactly how we wouldn't be sold into corporate slavery rather than just respond "I know more than you, na na na na na".

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    15. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      Please explain how libertarians support businesses "trampling" on anybody's rights. I challenge you to defend your accusation.

      So many people think libertarian's are pro-business, but they're not. They're anti-coercion.

    16. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      And what damning facts did you present us with? All I see is slogans out of your mouth. Until you have some proof that's what a libertarian society would be like, kindly shut the fuck up.

    17. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      I can see I've touched a nerve with [Ll]ibertarians. Must remember that. Never present one with a contradiction in his or her belief system. Just like never discussing evolution with a fundamentalist - you can't discuss anything with people who have given up their minds to dogma.

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    18. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      Still spouting slogans with no facts to back yourself up? What a tool.

    19. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, but if the Libertarian party ever started winning elections, the politician scumbags would just switch to it and call themselves Libertarians.

    20. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by SETIGuy · · Score: 1
      People who voted for democrats thinking liberty would be restored should take notice. Only Libertarians truly stand for constitutionally protected freedoms!

      If I had a dime for every "Libertarian" I've met who thought copyright and DRM were the best thing since sliced bread I could give Feinstein a large enough donation to make her withdraw her support for this one. As far as I can tell the Libertarian party is for just enough government to protect their business interests (i.e. copyright), but not so much government that it would prevent them from dumping industrial waste on their neighbors' property.

      The best response is for everyone, Democrats, Republicans, Greens and Libertarians to write to their congress people and tell them that you won't vote for them during the next election if they support this. And then during the next election carry out your threat.

    21. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll decline to debate the defects of Libertarianism for now, and instead point out something your post demonstrates: there are more than two sides to politics. In fact, there are more than two sides to a debate like this, even within a supposedly uniform party.

      For example, it is quite possible that a person of a Libertarian stripe might favor some form of DRM as appropriate protection to private property. Perhaps they would not mandate it for webcasts, but they might allow it to be mandated by a license contract, after which the materials in question could not be rebroadcast without DRM.

      Arguably, a license between to consenting parties can contain anything those parties want. And anybody who puts something up for sale should be free to put any conditions they choose upon the purchaser, so long as those conditions are knowable by the purchaser in advance. Those contractual limitations could be far stricter under some libertarian positions than anything the government has considered.

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    22. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by coredog64 · · Score: 1

      Libertarians only stand for what Libertarians think of as "freedom", which is generally on the opposite side of common sense (like selling off the national parks, as one small example). It'd also be nice if the Libertarian party read the Ninth Amendment some time.

      I know what you mean. Ending the war on drugs? Pulling out of Iraq? Allowing consenting adults to do whatever they'd like in the privacy of their own homes? Getting the .gov out of the recognizing marriage business? Jesus-H-Tapdancing-Christ! That's crazy talk!
    23. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Procyon101 · · Score: 3, Funny

      If we got the government out of marriage, what would the mainstream parties have to fight about at the expense of the gays?!? Common sense only leads to having to focus on real problems, and no one wants that!

    24. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Procyon101 · · Score: 1

      Backing the Libertarian rebuttal with as much force as your attack:

      The Libertarians are against selling everyone into corporate slavery.

      I'll even counter attack:

      It's the Republicans and Democrats who want to sell you into corporate slavery.

      Now that this debate has all the substance of a Bush/Kerry one, we can be content that we are all well informed on the issues... ooh! Shiny!

    25. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      When you're a member of a fringe political party the onus is on you to communicate your policies. You have made no attempt to do so or even any attempt to correct anything I have said. As far as I can tell, [Ll]ibertarians are largely geek male teenagers who don't like being told what to do. You're doing a good job of reinforcing that image. You can't even think for yourself, you just recycled my use of the word 'slogan'.

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    26. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Those are all good ideas (though some might be challenging to achieve, like recognizing marriage because of its other benefits).

      However, most Libertarians I've seen or talked to take things too far. That's when you get stuff like selling off the National Parks, eliminating Medicare, etc. Most Libertarians refuse to believe that while individual liberties should be preserved as much as possible, that some of these liberties much be relinquished so that we can live together in a society. You may not like having to pay for poor peoples' healthcare, but do you really want to live in a society where most of the population is poor, sick, and dying like many places in Africa? No one in those countries complains about their taxes being "wasted" on the poor. Do you really think companies should be allowed to dump pollutants into the rivers? There's a lot of third-world nations where that's commonplace, but they're certainly not any place I'd want to live. Basically, the end product of Libertarianism of that type is pretty much Anarchy, with a few rich people/companies doing as they please while screwing over everyone else.

    27. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      The LP platform is laid out on the party website for anybody to see. I fail to see the need to reiterate it verbatim every time a moron such as yourself can't figure out how to use Google. If you lack the intelligence to find it, I'm hardly worried about being considered "fringe" by a fool like you.

  13. This shouldn't be a legislative problem. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If someone is putting out "podcasts with music" or "satellite radio", and letting people "steal" your music, they either are a) breaking the law and providing this content illegally - in which case, go sue 'em or something, b) have the copyright or a license to use it - in which case, you should have used a more restrictive agreement.

    If it's not your music, why do you care?

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    1. Re:This shouldn't be a legislative problem. by compro01 · · Score: 1

      If it's not your music, why do you care?

      because if people actually discover you can get good music through means other than the RIAA labels (as if they have much in the way of good music anyway), the entire industry will collapse and bring out the end of all civilization!

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  14. Idiots by scdeimos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The bill is meant to secure music libraries and broadcasts, but there's nothing there about exclusions for educational (non-music) streams and podcasts like JapanesePod101.com. They also go on to say this:

    The bill also contains language to make sure that consumers' current recording habits are not inhibited.

    Ok then, what the hell is DRM if it's not inhibiting the consumers' recording habits??

  15. My rights : Your rights by robyannetta · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This act must be stopped NOW.

    I'm an independent filmmaker who releases all my movies under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 2.5 License that allows anyone to freely copy, distribute, display, and perform my work.

    This pro **AA act could be the nail in the coffin for not only the Creative Commons, but MY freedom as an artist.

    I admit I am Anti-DRM, but there's two sides to every viewpoint. When big business wants to trample on MY rights, they'll trample on yours next. Call your House and Congressional representatives immediately to stop allowing big business interests to stomp on the rights of the actual artist.

    Although my rant here is over, I won't quit until this legislation is dropped in a hole, set aflame and then buried.

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    1. Re:My rights : Your rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      This act must be stopped NOW.

      I have already contacted my Congressmen.
    2. Re:My rights : Your rights by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 1

      Well, if they insist on ramrodding this through congress, you, me and everyone else trying to release freely distributable content can sue as a class to have this overturned. There are handreds of musicians and filmmakers out there releasing free content, and thousands more who release the occasional free single. Any attempt to wrap my free singles in DRM is a violation of the terms of release.

      A first amendment class action is something this country hasn't seen in a while. It's about time.

      It also occured to me that the Zune wraps all content in DRM when it is loaded onto the player. I haven't looked at copyleft licenses enough to know if this is a violation. We might already have a class on our hands.

      On a related note: Here is hoping that Cox gets his patent.

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    3. Re:My rights : Your rights by nmx · · Score: 1

      Call your House and Congressional representatives immediately to stop allowing big business interests to stomp on the rights of the actual artist.

      Actually, the House is part of Congress. I assume you were referring to the two chambers, the House and Senate. However, since this is a House bill, calling your Senators probably won't do very much good at this stage.

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    4. Re:My rights : Your rights by nmx · · Score: 1

      I might as well correct myself. The last line should have read:

      However, since this is a Senate bill, calling your representative probably won't do very much good at this stage.

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    5. Re:My rights : Your rights by Cheesey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm an independent filmmaker who releases all my movies under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 2.5 License that allows anyone to freely copy, distribute, display, and perform my work.

      This pro **AA act could be the nail in the coffin for not only the Creative Commons, but MY freedom as an artist.


      Couldn't you circumvent the act by hosting your content overseas?

      I agree it will be a bad law, but sometimes we end up needing workarounds for bad laws because the people in power aren't willing to change them (for whatever reason). I am sure there are plenty of hosting options that will allow you to avoid DRM. Host your work in the EU and link to it with a large notice: "DRM-free video - plays on anything".

      In fact, if DRM is going to be required on all downloadable content in the US, it is a good time to establish DRM-free content hosting services in other countries. Let US-based hosts drown in waves of unnecessary regulation if that's what the government wants.

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    6. Re:My rights : Your rights by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      More interestingly, are there DRM systems out there that would effectively give full control of your works to anyone who gets a copy? In which case it would be very funny to completely ignore the act by using such a system.

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    7. Re:My rights : Your rights by nathanh · · Score: 1
      I admit I am Anti-DRM, but there's two sides to every viewpoint.

      There are more than two sides to every viewpoint. The American media circus has convinced you that there are only ever two choices - Republican or Democrat, Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, War on Iraq or Death by Terrorism, With Us or Against Us - and you willingly accept their false black and white view of the world.

      Break free of the false dichotomy. You can start by saying aloud "there are more than two sides to every viewpoint".

  16. DRM doesn't work by User+956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DRM doesn't work. I would ask, "when will they get it?", but it's pretty clear that they do "get it". Look at the recent crack of HD-DVD protection. That's the best they have, and it's already cracked. They know full well any DRM they put out there is not a deterrent against piracy, which means their goal with DRM is clearly to control legal activity.

    When it comes down to it, DRM is not intended to control piracy. It's intended to maintain **AA stranglehold over the market, to be used as a cudgel against hardware manufacturers, and to be used as a way to extract money, justified or otherwise, from the content-buying public.

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    1. Re:DRM doesn't work by ^_^x · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Luckily for consumers though, almost every time, they opt for a small decryption key or a weak encryption algorithm since stronger encryption tends to mean increased processor and memory usage or the need for specialized hardware - and as cheap as that is, it adds up on millions+ of systems. ...so we get flimsy DRM that can be popped off trivially, and the R&D on this insufficient scrambling is wasted. There's no danger in explaining it like this either since they KNOW this, but don't want to bump the cost up (even if it were more expensive, it's not that simple - on portables like MP3 players it could even mean shorter battery life! haha...) So for the time being, I'll try to fight the DRM they do choose to use, but overall I just laugh at it since a "fix" is always available in very short order. Usually +/- a couple weeks of its commercial debut. :)

    2. Re:DRM doesn't work by Teresita · · Score: 1

      The market will solve this one. MP3s cannot be DRM'd, so DRM'd podcasts will have to be in WMAs or AAC format, and they will be offered with all kinds of legal mumbo-jumbo which will turn most people off. The prospective customers shrug, go look for the MP3 ones, and that site won't get the hits it wants, and their advertisers will tell them to flake off. If Err America does this, so much the better.

    3. Re:DRM doesn't work by Virgil+Tibbs · · Score: 1
      one of the major problems with DRM is that it is not open:

      debatable DRM would be much more popular if it was a published, open technology, which everybody could implement (yes even *nix, DOS, Amiga and $your_favorite_distro

      the major problem is that RIAA & the USA GOV, wont put its trust in the free software community when it comes producing something secure.

      now before anyone mistakes me as a DRM lover. im not.

      I'm just pointing out what would have to be done to even START to achieve a system which is desired in this bill.

      though at the end of the day DRM is not the solution to life, and these stupid senators should work that out!

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    4. Re:DRM doesn't work by cliffski · · Score: 1

      actually in some ways DRM *does* work. It works to deter the ultra-casual piracy you would get without it. Without DRM, I could copy all 3,256 star trek DVDs I own for my mate Gareth. With DRM, he would need to buy them himself. If I was *really* hardcore about piracy, I know I could go to some websites and torrent sites and get the tools I need to bypass the DRM, or I could download some lower quality ripped avi files for him. In practice, like 90% of people, I won't bother, and my mate will buy the DVDs himself.

      DRM is like parking fines. It's not 100% effective in preventing people parking somewhere dodgy, but it means 90% of people obey the rules, and the system works. No law is obeyed or enforced 100%. Piracy exists, and I'd suggest its worryingly high, but its a *lot* lower than it would be without any DRM.

      I don't use DRM, but I understand why other companies do. I believe they have the right to do so*, and I believe that, within limits, it works for them. Anyone posting in a DRM debate on slashdot, by definition falls outside the casual user demographic, so it doesn't really matter that most people here know how to circumvent DRM.

      *but they do not have any right to pass stupid laws to *insist* on DRM for all content, regardless of the intentions of the content creator, as this silly law seems to desire.

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    5. Re:DRM doesn't work by MrCranky · · Score: 1

      You don't get it. You CAN copy all your Star Trek DVDs for your friend right now, CSS-protected or not. Stick one in your Linux or Mac computer, open a terminal, type dd if=/dev/cdrom of=filename.iso, and then wait a while, stick in a blank DVD, and write the ISO to disk using any burning application. You can probably just use Nero or some other Windows DVD copying thing to do it too. DVD copy protection does nothing to prevent copying DVD movies. Not a sausage.

      The only thing it does is make it illegal (thanks to the DMCA) to crack the trivial encryption so that you can have a legal DVD playing application on Linux, and make it illegal to rip the DVD movie to your iPod. In the USA, it's "try use your bought-and-paid-for content the way you want, and get sued by the MPAA/RIAA."

      Now Canada, formerly the actual land of the free, is facing new USA-style copyright legislation "reform" like the Americans have, thanks to big dollars in American media companies bringing to bear via (another bought-and-paid-for commodity), US legislators. Piss off US media companies!

    6. Re:DRM doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how come nobody complains when a video clip is broadcast as free media across a gazillion corporate tv stations, cnn, msnbc..but try to play a song on your mp3 player more than once and they want you dead.
      we should start DRMing things like presidential speeches, see how the government likes it.

    7. Re:DRM doesn't work by cliffski · · Score: 1

      *sigh*
      you don't get it do you?

      "Stick one in your Linux or Mac computer"
      I don't have one

      "open a terminal, type dd if=/dev/cdrom of=filename.iso"

      flibble flubble gluck wook zog. Yes I *am* a geek, but to 99% of PC owners I know, your typing in egyptian. That was the *whole point* of my argument.

      "try use your bought-and-paid-for content the way you want"
      That doesn't involve copying it all for my mate gareth anyway surely?

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    8. Re:DRM doesn't work by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      I see what you mean, but I guess you never heard of DVDShrink? That's as easy as clicking "backup"... A DVD copy? Coming right up!

      As for dd... Let me tell you, the first Linux distro I installed was with floppy disks (remember those?) and I had to use RAWRITE.EXE under DOS to create the first boot diskette. RAWRITE.EXE is pretty much the floppy equivalent of dd for DOS. It's a command line app.... Now, it isn't anymore. Somebody could write the equivalent of "dd" for Windows with an easy interface.

      All it needs to crack DRM for the greater public is one dedicated geek. It probably won't be the guy that cracked the DRM in the first place, but it will one that can use the library the first one wrote and make a halfway decent GUI for it.

    9. Re:DRM doesn't work by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Would you care to explain how you could possibly make DRM open and make it work? The whole problem with DRM is that the system (owned by the user) can't actually trust the user. If the user has access to the system and is able to modify it, he can easily bypass the DRM.

      This is like having an open-source PDF viewer that honors the "don't print" attribute on some PDFs. It's trivial to modify the code to ignore that attribute. So by having the viewer open-source, the DRM is already compromised.

    10. Re:DRM doesn't work by Virgil+Tibbs · · Score: 1
      sort of

      except I dont think it has to work like that:

      AES is an open encryption algorithm

      trucrypt is an open source encrypted vault software

      just because they are open source doesnt mean somebody can come along and look at my credit card numbers...

      or does it?

      to be fair comparing it to PDF 'dont print' attribute is a bit silly becaue mp3's dont have a 'dont copy' attribute(well is suppose you can say whether it is copyrighted)
      but if 'DRM' is a 'don't copy' attribute, why do people find it hard to break?

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    11. Re:DRM doesn't work by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: IANASE and IANAEE (Security Expert or Encryption Expert).

      While DRM does use encryption, the aim is totally different than simply algorithms or software like AES, trucrypt, GPG, etc. If someone sends you an encrypted file, and gives you the key to unlock that file, it doesn't really matter if the algorithm is open-source or not; with the encrypted file and the key, you can decrpyt and read that file. Of course, after you've decrypted the file, you can also make a copy of the unencrypted version and send it to someone else, encryption-free. The encryption's purpose was only to guarantee the security of the file between the sender and the recipient, not to govern what the recipient did with the data afterwards.

      More importantly, it doesn't compromise security for GPG and AES to be open-source, because the software isn't trying to keep you, the user, from accessing any data.

      DRM is different. It (usually) uses encryption, but the primary goal is to govern how you, the owner and user of your computer, uses the data on your computer. The idea is that someone (like a media company) can send you an encrypted file (with a movie in it), and you can then decrypt and watch this movie, but you are prevented from making unencrypted copies of it. Obviously, this is impossible with open-source software, and here's why: for them to allow you to watch the movie file, they have to give you the encryption key, so you can decrypt it. But as I pointed out before, with regular encryption, once you have the key and have decrypted the file, what's to prevent you from passing unencrypted copies to your friends? Nothing. That's why DRM applications must be closed-source. If your DRM movie player was open-source, it would be trivial to inspect the source code, then modify it so that the decrypted datastream is copied to a file, which you can then do what you please with (re-encode with a different codec, make copies of, etc.).

      The reason DRM is hard to break is that serious DRM formats (unlike PDF and MP3) are secret and closed, so breaking them requires significant reverse engineering. PDF is trivial, because the PDF specification itself is open. You can download a copy of this from Adobe, and find the place where the "don't copy" or "don't print" attribute is located, and write your own software to modify PDF files to turn off these bits. Even worse, if you're the author of a PDF viewer program, it's your own responsibility to honor those bits. If you have a moral problem with that, there's no way for Adobe to force you to implement that "feature" in your software, and if it's open-source, there's no way to prevent users from modifying software to ignore those bits. MP3 is the same way (there are patents on the codec itself, applicable only in the USA, but the spec is open).

      Breaking something like WMP 11 is an entirely different beast. You want to try running some 50MB (or whatever) executable through an assembly-level debugger to figure out how it works? Even if you succeed, and release a patch which bypasses the DRM, Microsoft will just change the software a little and release the change as a security update; it's a moving target. It's more trouble than it's worth.

  17. better to include: for USA citizens only by rjdegraaf · · Score: 0

    'For USA citizens: Mandatory DRM for Podcasts Proposed'

    1. Re:better to include: for USA citizens only by Nos. · · Score: 1

      Some of us just assume that when reading some of the headlines. Of course, this does present an interesting opportunity for those of us outside the reach of such a bill. Host your non-DRM'd content at .

  18. Again, please write these representatives! by guisar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Write them and your own rep and let them know how you feel- I mean are you shocked? Biden is from Delaware where most large corporations are headquartered, Feinstein is from California, Lindsey Grahama and Lamar are well known freakamazoid. Check out who donates to these clowns and see if this isn't exactly what you'd expect!

    http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/sector.asp? cid=N00009975&cycle=2002

    Of course they represent those who donate to them and unless you write their offices and your own they'll get away with this sort of crap!

    1. Re:Again, please write these representatives! by FallLine · · Score: 1
      Biden is from Delaware where most large corporations are headquartered. Feinstein is from California, Lindsey Grahama and Lamar are well known freakamazoid. Check out who donates to these clowns and see if this isn't exactly what you'd expect!
      WTF

      1) Most US corporations are merely incorporated in Delaware -- not headquartered there. Big difference.

      2) Why are you singling out the Republicans? Half of these people (Biden and Feinstein) are Democrats. Feinsteinis is the only one on this list that I see with big entertainment dollars behind her: Her top two contributors are Disney and Time-Warner... at least ~200K
      http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/allzips.asp ?CID=N00007364

      3) This bill actually seems pretty reasonable to me. It's basically just putting internet/satellite radio stations on the same fee structure (if you want to use copyright law to broadcast someone else's music) as FM/AM radio and insists that you don't allow consumers to willy-nilly record everything (time shifting is still allowed). What gives... besides the usual "everything should be free" mentality?
    2. Re:Again, please write these representatives! by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      What gives...besides the usual "everything should be free" mentality?
      We have this sneaking suspicion that this bill would require DRM on all internet & satellite radio, regardless of content. Even if the station only airs indie music, copylefted music, or talk, the RIAA wants it DRMed. Adding DRM that the artists don't necessarily want is seriously annoying to broadcasters & podcasters, esp. the ones broadcasting free.

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  19. lol absolutely useless by ILuvRamen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    wow, what a bold, scary strategy considering that about 99% of streaming internet radio for example is captured in almost full quality internally on the sound card by changing the recording device to stereo mixer (or WAV on older ones I think) and pressing record. DRM won't change that because it would still be getting it from the sound card's final output. Who the heck tries to steal the audio data out of the place its cached or something like that that DRM could actually protect. That's why intel motherboard manufactureres agreed to disable the stereo mixer to work as a recording device on most recent motherboard after they found out a ton of people were stealing music that way. Of course, they have to then cross their fingers and hope people don't hook the digital out to the digital in port, which loses almost no quality and record it that way
    And all this useless protection is on top of the fact that most podcasts and other streaming audio is really low quality, and thus undesireable for most ppl that download it to steal it. Well at least they're wasting their time and money doing stupid stuff like this and not something really restrictive and effective.

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    1. Re:lol absolutely useless by Kelz · · Score: 1

      Or they could just purchase a $10 used sound blaster and use that.

    2. Re:lol absolutely useless by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      you're right, I don't believe it can do anything to stop PCI sound cards :)

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  20. First things first by zappepcs · · Score: 1

    IANAL, but sometimes I'm told I'm anal. Aren't podcasts only for iPods? I hate that.

    Second; this is another example, a fine one at that, of government types trying to show they know something about the intarwebs and failing miserably. This shows little understanding of the actual content on the intarwebs, or the licensing models currently in use. They might as well have said that all wheels need to have an extra tax on them, or that all chairs should be taxed unless rated for less than 45 lbs. None of it makes sense. The blind leading the sleeping.

    1. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they're not just for iPods. "Podcast" just happens to be the commonly-used term. Maybe everyone should just say "RSS-feed-with-MP3-enclosure-ing" instead of "Podcasting".

    2. Re:First things first by fartymenams · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of podcasts are in MP3 format. Very few are in AAC. I listen to plenty of them on my iRiver and Sandisk players.

  21. Because they're in power by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    The Democrats are in power, so they are the only voices that really matter.

    Hey Armericans: You have a supposedly democratic society. Write your senator etc.

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  22. so arrest me by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    for making my own podcast without DRM'ing it! Oh god, the legal system has enough woes . . . .

  23. Ill tell you why they are proposing this ; by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they dont want webcasters, citizen journalists to broadcast the shit politicans and their big-money backers pull around. so that it can be good old 1950s again

    1. Re:Ill tell you why they are proposing this ; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't they target blogs if they wanted to do that? Podcasts make up a very small minority of the type of independent political media you're referring to.

    2. Re:Ill tell you why they are proposing this ; by unity100 · · Score: 1

      blogs are just text and documents. visual proof is more devastating. if a blog does much video publishing, it will fall in the same category still.

  24. Feinstein PERFORM/DRM/DMCA form letters by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 3, Informative

    Feinstein clearly does not understand that the point of the copyright allowed in the constitution was to promote progress, not to protect rich corporations. She is clearly more of a Republican in this area. Here are some form letter responses that her office sends to complaints.

    Feinstein responds with a form letter about the PERFORM DRM act:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=193819&cid=158 92380

    And the same response to someone else:
    http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/congressman-resp onds-to-perform-act-dispute.html (scroll down)

    Feinstein response with a form letter about the DMCA:
    http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=21099&cid= 2234915

    "....
    If you have other questions or comments, please do not
    hesitate to write to me again, or contact my Washington, D.C. staff
    at (202) 224-3841."

    1. Re:Feinstein PERFORM/DRM/DMCA form letters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Feinstein clearly does not understand that the point of the copyright allowed in the constitution was to promote progress, not to protect rich corporations. She is clearly more of a Republican in this area.

      Yeah, because all those Hollywood movie studios and record labels are just chock-full of Republicans. Can't swing a cat without hitting one. Just watch the Oscars in a couple of weeks, that's always a three-hour GOP love-fest.

      (eye-roll)

    2. Re:Feinstein PERFORM/DRM/DMCA form letters by Procyon101 · · Score: 1

      She understands perfectly what she's backing. She's not acting like a Republican, hell, protecting the RIAA is practically in her party's plank!

  25. Police raids by AnnuitCoeptis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Recent raids here in Europe proved that your "recordings" of any kind could harm you. Some guys here were tracked by police due to their over-usage of torrent networks, then their appartment raided. Everything you've ever recorded, that you do not have a hardcover or original CD/DVD from can backfire at you. Learned this I would be cautious even about iPod stored MP3s purchased over MP3.com or elsewhere, because there is virtually no proof to that MP3 was purchased and that is really yours. I actually welcome Microsoft's DRM management in hope it would give me a protection in such an event.

    1. Re:Police raids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ, what is the matter with you?

      YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

      It's NOT the other way around, don't let that coward scare-tactics get to you!

  26. this is what the mandate was about, drm?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think that mandatory drm is what americans were thinking of this past election.

  27. SOMA FM part II by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Haven't we been down this road before? I guess this will finally shut down SOMA FM.

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  28. What's that Spell? by sweatyboatman · · Score: 4, Funny

    The PERFORM Act, or the "Platform Equality and Remedies for Rights Holders in Music Act," Um... I believe that's the PERRHM Act. Not as catchy, although cat lovers might take to it. The proposed legislation makes zero sense so therefore the acronym makes zero sense. Why have an acronym? Call it the Eliminate Free Internet Radio Act. Or just Yet Another Gift to Our Large and All-Powerful Contributors Act.

    Sigh.

    -tom
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    1. Re:What's that Spell? by Gryle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because EFIRA and YAGOLAPCA aren't catchy acronyms. Although they sound like catchy names for D&D characters.

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    2. Re:What's that Spell? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

      [DAVE-BARRY]
      EFIRA would be a good name for a Rock Band.
      [/DAVE-BARRY]

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    3. Re:What's that Spell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like the BENDOVAR Act, or the Big Entertainment Nationally Dictating Our Video and Audio Rights Act.

    4. Re:What's that Spell? by TampaBay · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's exactly how it was designed to be. They just hoped we'd never catch it.

      Platform Equality and Remedies FOR Music Act. Forget the rights holders, aka the musicians. It's all about the corporation.

  29. All i have to say is JUST DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DRM the hell oout of it all till none of us want to use it, and the hackers/crackers et all laugh in there UNDRMed viewings.
    go go go. No music cds are drmed anymore , to put it they see it as too much money to do for what getting it cracked. I am all for drming everything , hten hackers and pirates become more of the
    peoples people. Screw da man vote for drm. GOP dont have the votes in congress so if you dont want it get on the horns people and let democrats know that drm will get them outted form office.
    we did it here in canada, are you pussies down there or what, get out and tell em. we don't want big mother ( er brother)

    1. Re:All i have to say is JUST DO IT by east+coast · · Score: 1

      GOP dont have the votes in congress so if you dont want it get on the horns people and let democrats know that drm will get them outted form office.

      Uh, AC, do you realize that Biden and Feinstein are fairly prominent DEMOCRATS?

      we did it here in canada

      That explains the ignorance but doesn't excuse it.

      Please, stop acting like one party has the public's interest in mind more than the other. Too many people in the states already "think" like this, why do you think we're so screwed no matter what we do anymore?

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  30. Just goes to show.. by mad_psych0 · · Score: 1

    Yet another prime example of why lawmakers need to educate themselves a bit on the technology they are going to write laws regarding. DRMing all podcasts, including independant ones that are public domain, is not only a pain for consumers, but will also cut back on the number of independant podcasts since a large number of private internet broadcasters are not going to mess around with DRMing their material.

    1. Re:Just goes to show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lawmakers are well educated
      "hollywood" gives them money
      lawmakers pay them back with these laws that hurt you

      restricting the free availability of information
      has never been a problem for any government

      Stop supporting your destroyers.
      Don't accept their philosophy.

  31. idiotism prevails by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    would be obligated to implement

    Could they take away by force the people's right to give something away for free and/or without any restrictions ? Ok, I know they could do it, in a theory [i.e. they can do anything these days with none to any repercussions], but could they do it in practice ? Would the Act get signed ? Would the people let it happen ? This whole thing sounds so ridiculously ignorant. But, I have to add, not really surprising.
     

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  32. Biden, Feinstein, and two MORE GOP senators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Biden, Feinstein, and two MORE GOP senators...

    There, fixed that for you.

    1. Re:Biden, Feinstein, and two MORE GOP senators by cashman73 · · Score: 1
      Obviously, the submitter is a republican, since he left the names out of it. To be fair and partisan, the names of the two GOP Senators are Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), for those interested in helping to vote out these asshats next time they're up for re-election. Unfortunately, the sad thing is that most people forget about all the stupid things the congressman do by the time they're up for re-election, unless they do something really, really stupid , like getting caught taking bribes and falsifying tax returns, or bending over pages,...

    2. Re:Biden, Feinstein, and two MORE GOP senators by Knytefall · · Score: 1

      No, the submitter is a far-left liberal. Seriously. I know that the Republicans won't change, but if enough people scream at the Democrats, things could change.

    3. Re:Biden, Feinstein, and two MORE GOP senators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hell with the submitter, I was just pointing out that as far as I am concerned Biden and Feinstein are GOP Senators. As in, California has one Democrat and one Republican. And Boxer is the Democrat.

  33. Then they'd truly be PODcasts by ^_^x · · Score: 1

    First, all but two of the podcasts I listen to (5 or 6) are voice only, and owned wholly by their producers. Second, I don't own any iPods and never will, but I always listen to my podcasts on an MP3 player, so the only effect DRM would have is that I wouldn't have any hardware that could decode the podcast, and I'd have to stop listening to them.

    This idea wins big points for stupidity though. Almost as good as radio transmitters hidden in Canadian coins!

    1. Re:Then they'd truly be PODcasts by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is that any new music players will have DRM support, and old-school players will be sold on ebay to people smart enough to strip DRM. Require DRM on all media and everyone wins! (except for the average user, who gets shafted and hopefully likes it)

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  34. So what happens to... by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...stuff like Nullsoft's Disk Writer plugin for Winamp, through which I can dump streaming radio to disk (I think, I've never really tried it). Of course some radio stations discourage this by commenting over the end/beginning of songs or mixing songs into each other for a track transition, thus making ripping undesirable. But still... DRM is rather useless if I can send the output to disk instead of my speakers.

    1. Re:So what happens to... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't be able to use winamp to stream radio. You would have to use Windows Media Player, and that'll only play through signed (by microsoft) drivers and definately not straight to disk.

    2. Re:So what happens to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, WinAmp can play internet radio just fine. But the standard disk writer plugin won't output internet radio streams. Winamp is owned by AOL now, what do you expect... AAC streams give corrupted input to the visualization plugs, so you can't get a clean signal through there either.

  35. Hollywood's Influence by mpapet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Funny how this is being introduced now.

    An incredible coincidence that the Democrats control the Senate and House now. ("control" being very loosley defined in the sentence)

    Sad, especially since the legions of /. won't lift a finger to slow this one down. This is one of those times I wish you all would.

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    1. Re:Hollywood's Influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the problem with having one party be completely batshit insane. No matter how bad the other party is on relatively small issues, they're going to get the support of every reasonable person. However, bad this is, there's no way it's going to get me to support the Republican Party. I don't like our current copyright system, but I hate torture, agressive wars, unchecked Presidential power, corruption, pedophilia, theocracy, and the host of other evils Republicans have associated themselves with.

  36. "Reasonably Available Technology" Full Quote by mmurphy000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The full paragraph containing summary's quoted section is:

    The bill would require cable, Internet and satellite providers to use reasonably available technology to protect the music, IF they want to enjoy the benefit of a government license. If, however, a company wants to use new technologies beyond the scope of a government license then they must go to the record companies directly to negotiate a licensing agreement through the market.

    So, on the face of it, this particular "feature" of the Act shouldn't affect the use of music that is licensed freely (e.g., many Creative Commons licenses). In that case, the step of "negotiate a licensing agreement through the market" is done up front in the form of the music license.

    What would probably cause problems for free music is the terms that restrict what players can do (e.g., "What a listener cannot do is set a recording device to find all the Frank Sinatra songs being played on the radio-service and only record those songs."). Hopefully, we can figure out a way to create players that support restricted features but only use them against music with appropriate licensing metadata, versus those features simply not being implemented.

    1. Re:"Reasonably Available Technology" Full Quote by pla · · Score: 1

      Right quote, wrong conclusion...



      (FTA): obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable" copy-protection technology

      So far, no one has mentioned the glaringly obvious flaw here... No such thing exists!

      We currently have states arguing over the legality of "means" tests for voting over showing a $30 drivers' license or state ID. How much does it cost to license any of the existing DRM implementations, if even an option?

      Fine. Y'know what? If this passes, I'll write a GPL'd "copy-protection technology". Certainly, no one would ever think to read the source code to find the secret key I'll use, "password".

  37. Cryptomnesia by tepples · · Score: 1

    What about copyleft-licensed broadcasts? You can't "steal" something that's free.

    How could the composer of the music used in the broadcast prove that he or she had the authority to publish the music under a copyleft or otherwise Free license? It might have been a case of cryptomnesia like what happened to George Harrison.

  38. my letter to Senator Feinstein by robtow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used the form interface on Senator Feinstein's website to post the following letter to her concerning PERFORM:

    Senator Feinstein,

    I continue to oppose your misguided attempts to impose draconian digital rights management on consumer electronics.

    The so-called PERFORM act will put the government in the business of mandating technology, and instituting what amounts to price controls on media distribution, and will prevent important technological and social innovation that increases the agency of the mass public, and will instead further entrench dangerous media consolidation in our republic.

    The so-called rights of big media are a creation of 20th century technology, and did not exist before centralized mass production instrumentalities utilizing expensive technologies out of the reach of the people were invented by technologists such as Thomas Edison and Philo Farnsworth. Newer technologies now are changing the means of production and distribution, and make these "rights" as appropriate as the "rights" of 18th century Russian noblemen to own their landed serfs. Importantly, the new technologies of the PC and the Web are cheap, fast, and decentralized, and allow the people to re-assert democracy rather than passively consume the "Spectacle" offered by Fox and other media conglomerates.

    The copyright and patent clause in the Constitution has been warped out of recognition by Congress passing such laws as the Sonny Bono act of 1998 in response to the corrupting influence of campaign financing on the part of members of the RIAA and MPAA. Current law bears no resemblance to the intent and practice of the founders. Your quotes of the Constitution in response to my previous two letters to you on this subject are dissembling, at best.

    Although I am a "liberal", I will vote for an opponent of yours who opposes DRM in the next election.

    Please change your position, so that I may support you in the future.

    Robert Tow

  39. Sounds like a good bill to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has the most important thing: the cutsey acronym. How can this possibly be bad?

  40. Unconstitutional by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    It looks like they are forcing copyright holders to have their works DRMed, whether the copyright holder wants that or not.

    It should at a brutally fascist minimum allow opting out, and more seriously, it should be opt-in. Forcing this on everyone is totally unfair to those who want their content to be as widely distributed as possible. Imagine advertisers. No wait -- imagine works that contain a political message; now in order to broadcast, you have to comply with a government-mandated standard that interferes with distribution and use? That seems to conflict with the First Amendment issues.

    It fucking better be opt-in. And that means it shouldn't force toolmakers to always add the DRM. There must be a way around it, and it should be disabled by default. Either do that, or pass an amendment to repeat the 1st.

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    1. Re:Unconstitutional by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      If it was opt in they wouldn't bother with the law. DRM is *already* opt in and both Microsoft and Apple have 'opted in' with their players and media distribution.

      The only purpose of a new law would be to make it mandatory.

    2. Re:Unconstitutional by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      If only the brits had forced DRM onto Thomas Pain and his trouble-making kind, we wouldn't have that pesky 1st amendment.

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  41. the ironic part is... by Kenshin · · Score: 1

    "Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, and two GOP senators are sponsoring a bill..."

    The sickly ironic part is "GOP" is supposed to stand for "Government of the People".

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    1. Re:the ironic part is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was always under the impression it stood for "grand old party".

      And no comment on the two very high members of the Democratic party? For shame! Put on that political spin early and often. Thanks for showing us your bias.

    2. Re:the ironic part is... by andytrevino · · Score: 2, Informative

      GOP actually stands for "Grand Old Party", though I agree with your sentiment. Copyright seems to be one of those odd issues that rarely follows party lines.

    3. Re:the ironic part is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure it's Grand Old Party.

    4. Re:the ironic part is... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Well, under the law, money-hungry, soul-sucking corporations such as the RIAA are considered to be people. So, I'm not sure if your point is entirely valid.

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    5. Re:the ironic part is... by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess I'm mistaken. But it's not hard to mistake after years of blowhards calling it "Government of the People".

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  42. MS Doesn't mind by tinkerghost · · Score: 1

    MS would love to have a format (FairPlay) that Apple doesn't want to release. Then the only "Approved" DRM is theirs. Life is good move along. Yes it's another bit of assinine kowtowing to the media by the government - it precludes fair use by definition, but that's not an issue that Congress sees because there's no money in it.

  43. Windows Based? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any Mac user (or Linux, I guess) who has tried to access wmv files, with or without DRM, knows that cross-platform support for media coding can be a SOB. Even when it works, it doesn't work well. Especially with streaming media. I worry that requiring DRM could create de-facto dependence on a particular platform in order to access online media. I know that Apple is a leader in DRM music files, but it seems that wmv dominates the mainstream media outlets (example cnn.com) and I can't think of any reason that they would switch to something else if required to use DRM by law for all broadcasts. Can anyone think of any reason that I don't have to worry about being locked out?

  44. Easy way out by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

    "All audio services -- Webcasters included -- would be obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable"

    All you have to do is tell them you can't afford to apply DRM to your audio.

  45. Call your congress critters by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    Let them know how much you DISLIKE this bill.

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  46. As effective as spam legislation by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

    Host the podcasts in another country.

    This has as much effect on podcasts and the like as legislation against DVD-ripping software developed and hosted in Europe.

    Just how the hell do they intend to enforce US laws against foreign produced and/or hosted content?

    Don't use the temporary shutdown of ThePirateBay as an example; the majority of podcasts are perfectly legit, otherwise Apple wouldn't dare point to them in iTunes.

  47. Nobody did by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least, nobody I know. I voted Democratic to have Congress run in opposition to the President.

    The machine works best at a standstill, IMHO.

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    1. Re:Nobody did by AlHunt · · Score: 1
      The machine works best at a standstill, IMHO.

      Amen to that - gridlock is the best we can hope for in the foreseeable future.

      The dems are going to kneecap the military in Iraq and then blame Bush for losing the war. Remember where you heard it - they'll hide it in political obfuscation and drape it in Old Glory, but congress *will* cut funding well before the next presidential election.

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    2. Re:Nobody did by AusIV · · Score: 1

      I agree. Our country was founded on compromise, and if either party has control of both the legislative and executive branches, no compromises are made and the wants and needs of half the country get tossed aside. With the parties in conflict, things that are essential for our country's well being can still happen, but neither party gets to force their agenda on people without passing it through both parties.

    3. Re:Nobody did by TempeTerra · · Score: 1

      OT, but I want to point out that this is why I love the UN. With 192 voting members and 5 vetoes, you can't achieve anything that is controversial. People complain that the UN is a bad idea because it is ineffectual. I reply that the UN is a great idea, because it is inaffectual.

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    4. Re:Nobody did by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      Is this kind of bi-partisan bullshit what you consider standstill?

  48. So how long before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this gets done, how long before we get non-US-based net radio and podcast hosting for US citizens?

    Let's call it Radio Free Eu... I mean, America...

  49. compulsory DRM license fee?? by amigabill · · Score: 1

    So, since I've only read abot half the article summary, not the article, and none of the comments of which a few I'm likely redundant to, would it then be illegal for me to make a podcast, add some music which I myself composed, directed and performed, without applying industry-grade DRM to it?

    Does that mean that anyone who releases a podcast or webstream or whatever covered by such a law is thus legally required to pay some fee to some DRM IP owner? Thus there will be no such thing as free because if nothing else, at least the creator of the content has to send off a check to some IP troll eery time someone listens to his production? And thus it gets far less likely that any such production will be free to the listener?

  50. "reasonable" loophole by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

    it's too bad Feinstein is doing this ....again....she keeps forgetting who her constituents are....the tech companies in the Silicon Valley and free-minded ppl in the area.

    even if this "law" passes (remote), the "reasonable" loophole exists.
    Maybe it can be as simple (and economical) as a javascript alert box.

  51. Bass Ackwards? by scottsk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why must the entire nation implement DRM, anyway? If the RIAA members don't want their stuff broadcast for fear of piracy, why don't they simply withdraw it and not allow it to be broadcast? Anything you publish is out there for pirates. This makes absolutely no sense. If piracy is a problem, the members of the RIAA should simply not put it on the airwaves. It's their content. Why should every free broadcaster have to deal with a layer of useless DRM? How could it be enforced, anyway? If some university doesn't DRM their creative commons lectures, the government is going to do what to them?

    1. Re:Bass Ackwards? by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

      Why must the entire nation implement DRM, anyway? So that WMA/WMV and WMP then become mandatory and by extension the one operating system that can use them also becomes mandatory. It also makes it easier for the political party (yeah it's not a company any more) that owns that operating system to force new purchases by dragging its feet or stopping altogether DRM support for older versions. The other political party (the one running the junta) gets to feel like they're holding the leash a while longer then by having the ability to track or limit who listens to what, when and where.
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  52. Thank god by repvik · · Score: 1

    I keep on thanking god (whoever that is...) a lot on slashdot. Mainly for not living in the Unites States of A.
    This braindead piece of legislation won't have the slightest effect on any podcasts I care about.
    How, pray tell, is this going to be enforced? The internet is still international. Requiring DRM for podcasts in the USA does what exactly? Force americans to put their podcasts on servers outside the USA? Damn, that's freaking scary.

    1. Re:Thank god by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      Don't get too smug. The US has a history of strong-arming other countries into accepting it's take on copyright. If you want to trade with us and stay off our bomb candidate list you'll have to play ball eventually. Your politicians are every bit as corrupt and self-interested as ours. I don't care where you live.

      Please don't act as if this doesn't affect you. It will.

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  53. OK, help me out here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Where does anyone actually say:

    All audio services -- Webcasters included -- would be obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable" copy-protection technology aimed at preventing "music theft" and restricting automatic recording. I know that Cnet says that they say it, and the Slashdot summaries says that they say it (when it should say that Cnet says that they say it), but nowehere can I see the four senators saying that. They do say (from the Feinstein Slashdot link) this:

    Establish Content Protection - All companies would be required to use reasonably available and economically reasonable technology to prevent music theft. The Cnet / Slashdot version implies that making a podcast in their back bedroom has to employ some sort of DRM it prevent it been freely distributable; the Feinstein link doesn't.

    It's a well-known tactic to demand more than you actually want before "compromising" on less - here one side of the argument (given that the article's preaching to the choir) seems to be doing the other side's negotiating for them!

  54. What were we supposed to do in November? by Myria · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live (and vote) in California. What were we supposed to do in November? These were our choices:

    - Richard Mountjoy, a far right Christian with all the usual values.
    - Diane Feinstein, a bleeding-heart liberal who is a bought and paid member of the mafiaa *.

    A lose-lose situation. I voted for technofascism over theocracy.

    * To avoid a slander lawsuit, I note that the misspelling of "mafia" with an additional "a" is intentional and is a known term on this discussion forum. It does not mean the Cosa Nostra.

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    1. Re:What were we supposed to do in November? by Loco+Moped · · Score: 1

      * To avoid a slander lawsuit, I note that the misspelling of "mafia" with an additional "a" is intentional and is a known term on this discussion forum. It does not mean the Cosa Nostra.

      And you, sir, are quite correct in doing so. No self-respecting mobster would want to be associated with anyone who would stoop so low as to voluntarily become a 'politician'.

    2. Re:What were we supposed to do in November? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
      * To avoid a slander lawsuit, ...
      I live (and vote) in California.

      Really? I'd never have guessed! [California native, so sue me]
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    3. Re:What were we supposed to do in November? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, no third-party candidates?

    4. Re:What were we supposed to do in November? by niXcamiC · · Score: 1

      So, in the United States, you only have 2 candidates to vote for? That seems almost as bad as a single party system. I always thought that anyone could run for office there, am I wrong?

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    5. Re:What were we supposed to do in November? by koliebo · · Score: 1

      You could have voted for a third-party candidate.

      I know, voting for a third party candidate is useless, blah blah blah, but it's certainly an option, and even if your vote is "useless", you might feel better knowing you voted for someone you see as a truly good candidate, as opposed to simply voting for Dianne Feinstein because she's "better than the alternative".

      And if you don't care for any of the third-party candidates, there's always the option of not voting for any of the candidates.

    6. Re:What were we supposed to do in November? by FredMenace · · Score: 1

      You could have voted for:

      Michael Metti (Libertarian), Todd Chretien (Green), or Marsha Feinland (Peace and Freedom).

      And no, voting for a third-party candidate is not "throwing your vote away" or "letting the Republicans win" or any such. It is voting for who you believe in (assuming you do) and exerting pressure on your second choice to become more in line with your wishes. If you just keep voting for them even though you hate their guts, you give them no reason to change. That's how we got in this mess in the first place.

    7. Re:What were we supposed to do in November? by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Funny
      * To avoid a slander lawsuit, I note that the misspelling of "mafia" with an additional "a" is intentional and is a known term on this discussion forum. It does not mean the Cosa Nostra.

      Unnecessary. The Mafia don't sue for slander. If you've upset them they'll deal with you through different channels.

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    8. Re:What were we supposed to do in November? by andrewd18 · · Score: 1

      The only people who can run for office in America are those with the money and the interpersonal connections to win. While technically a large majority of the populace could be a politician, very, very few people actually can achieve that status.

  55. Industry-approved? by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

    If I want to talk to "the industry", whom should I phone?

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  56. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

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  57. The Abuse of Private Power? by weston · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only Libertarians truly stand for constitutionally protected freedom

    Libertarians (at least, your traditional anarchocapitalist) also have their problems, often including a rather large blind spot towards the abuse of private power and some seriously inconsistent views regarding the trustworthiness thereof and the strength of the profit incentive.

    Not that I don't think it might do us some good to turn the entire Democratic and Republican parties out of office for a term or two, and I agree with the libertarians that civic power presents the problem of misuse. But a vacuum leaves only private power to protect from other private power, and once collusion sets in, the problem becomes nearly intractable, and freedom is again lost. The alternative -- having a democratic republic where civic power is accountable to the citizenry -- also has flaws, mainly that it's only as good as the citizenry attempts to keep it, but it's more easily subject to change when the citizenry chooses.

    1. Re:The Abuse of Private Power? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      Libertarians (at least, your traditional anarchocapitalist) also have their problems, often including a rather large blind spot towards the abuse of private power and some seriously inconsistent views regarding the trustworthiness thereof and the strength of the profit incentive.

      At last, someone who understands. At a former job, I had several Libertarian co-workers who explained to me in detail what they believed. Libertarianism sounds good at first, especially if you are a conservative Republican. They say a lot of things that conservatives want to hear about getting the government out of people's lives and so on. The problem is that Libertarianism will never work because it requires everybody to be smart and to work in the best interests of society rather than themselves. All it takes is one self-centered guy or one dumb guy and the Libertarian house of cards comes falling down. I know of some smart people who are Libertarians and I am amazed at how they don't realize how their political philosophy just won't work in the real world.

  58. Think Backwards by Beer_Smurf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is about killing the advantage of unsigned bands selling their own MP3s.

  59. Libertarian strategy by wytcld · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Libertarians, to do anything effective on the national level, need to acquire power within one or both of the established parties. So far they've tried mostly within the Republican Party - and look where that's gotten us. Although there are inconsistencies among Democrats on IP rights, there would seem at present to be a much stronger basic defense of the Constitution and citizen's freedoms. Arch-blogger Kos has even declared himself a "libertarian Democrat." So might it be more possible to reform the Democratic Party to accord with Libertarian ideals than it's been to make some bargain with the Republicans? Consider, it's the Democrats who generally believe in science and education and reason and the value of the common citizen, while the Republicans believe in creationism and only that education that doesn't incubate "elitist" attitudes and only that reason which follows the leader and only the importance of those citizens who are lucky and rich. Yeah, many Democratic politicians are deeply flawed. But the Libertarians have largely been in bed with those with faith in Creation Science. What kind of backasswards strategy is that?

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    1. Re:Libertarian strategy by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Libertarians, to do anything effective on the national level, need to acquire power within one or both of the established parties. So far they've tried mostly within the Republican Party

      It makes sense Libertarians work more with Republican than they do Democrats. The Libertarian Party was started by Republicans who were fedup with Republicans under Nixon. Some opposed cointel and the efforts of Hoover, others were fedup with Nixon policies ans statements. One such statement was that no matter what Nixon's Presidential Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse decided after studying marijuana. He said no matter what conclusion they came to he would never support legal hemp, marijuana. And in fact that is what they concluded, that hemp was such a useful plant and marijuana didn't present a danger the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 should be repealled.

      Falcon
    2. Re:Libertarian strategy by Danathar · · Score: 1

      I completely agree, but this applies to any alternative part to the Republicans and Democrats.

      It's simply impossible to form an another party and get elected in any significant numbers due to the fact that the Republican and Democratic parties are surprisingly bi-partisan when it comes to making any concessions that would allow another party to have a chance.

      The best bet is to have libertarians join one party or the other and gain power through changing/influencing party platforms.

  60. Solution looking for a problem? by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see the benefit of this act, to anybody. Surely, if you're webcasting/podcasting music at the moment, you're either:

    1. playing freely available music, eg Podsafe Network,
    2. playing restricted music with the permission of the owner, already using DRM, or
    3. playing restricted music illegally.

    Number 1 is the one affected by this, but then the purpose of all of this, stated in TFA, is to prevent music theft. If the music cannot legally be stolen (because it is being given away), can the act still apply?

    Number 2 is not affected, because they're already using DRM. (I'm not sure if this one actually exists yet, but I stuck it in for completeness.)

    Number 3 is the bad guy that the RIAA could go after with some amount of moral justification, but if he's already breaking copyright laws then he's not going to be particularly bothered about breaking the PEARFRHIM (sorry, PERFORM) act either. And if there's already a law to prosecute him with, why introduce another one?

    Of course, the bad guy in the RIAA's eyes might be Number 1, if the RIAA have acknowledged that independent artists are competition that must be crushed...

  61. Re:No podcasts here by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

    Thank-you for saying that.

    I'm so sick and tired of people asking me about PODcasts. Its just a !@# downloadable music file. It doesn't need a special name.

    "I recorded an MP3 of me talking about crap" just doesn't sound as cool as "PODcasting"?

    --
    - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
  62. Not 1950s - 1984 .. (n/t) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's total control they're after. Except for those who do the controlling..

    1. Re:Not 1950s - 1984 .. (n/t) by unity100 · · Score: 1

      actually they cant do 1984. not after 1789.

      they know that the best they can do is to go for a seemingly 'democracy'. and the only way to maintain it is to maintain the illusion. media creates any illusion.

  63. Re:No podcasts here by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

    You're missing out. A podcast is simply an mp3 file, full or streaming, that is hosted via rss feed.

    This makes it really easy to get the file or stream, and you can even have an application like Juice that will check on your podcast subscriptions and download any new mp3 files. Subscription in this case does not mean pay. I get hundreds of effort-free mp3 files a month from my podcast subscriptions.

    Despite my huge appreciation for the technology, I hate the name. And I hate iPods. Oh well. At least I have my mp3s!

    --
    Man, you really need that seminar!
  64. OK thats easy... by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    >> would be obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable" copy-protection technology aimed at preventing "music theft.

    I propose ROT-13. Its free and easily available.

    1. Re:OK thats easy... by lexical · · Score: 1

      No. ROT-26 is way more effective, and user friendly to boot!

  65. whatever by gsn · · Score: 1

    You know what. I'm sick of these attempts to regulate the internet. Just call me a criminal but I'll hapilly circumvent drm on files I download or dvds I own, and happily fire up a shoutcast server and you can take your obligatory drm and FOAD. There will be zilch you can do about it.

    --
    Reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
    1. Re:whatever by cdrguru · · Score: 1
      This is exactly the attitude that leads to crap like this. FOAD. Yeah, sure. They'll show you.

      Today, DRM isn't that effective and isn't that obtrusive - there are ways around it but it does discourage some folks. Should this attitude persist, do you want to see what comes next?

      Today DRM is seriously hampered by the "general purpose" nature of the home computer. We are clearly approaching the crossroads where either applications for this general-purpose environment are easy to use and reliable or they are not. They are not today - there is no argument about that. If they don't get much, much better and soon we will see locked-down unmodifable "appliances" for reading email, browsing store web pages and watching Google videos. Oh want to add some new application? Sorry, that's the next generation.

      How do you make something like this secure? Forget flash upgrade - masked ROM only. It gets tested and a new version comes out once a year or so. No disk. No programs from R/W memory. A giant leap forward in security but someting like this would be have the last word in DRM.

      Wise up. Everything can be free for just so long. It isn't going to be just regulation of the Internet, but regulation of your lives that will be at stake.

    2. Re:whatever by gsn · · Score: 1

      You don't get it it do you. You aren't fighting a company here. You are really fighting your own government. Fine say this bill dies - in two years another one will show up. Defeat that one and theres another going to follow. All they have to do is win once. Its a losing battle. Yes I'm fully aware of the risks of losing a general purpose home computer, indeed I think its hopeless and it will happen and the only people who will have them will be those who can actually make their own - and that will probably be illegal too. Yes I recognize that its the regulation of my bloody life at stake. And I argue that trying to work within the confines of the regulatory body is of no use at all because the electorate lost control over it a long time ago. Might as well fight it being called a criminal or a pirate.

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      Reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
  66. Tell your congress critter "NO!" on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who smells the skunk coming from down the hall on this one should write their local congress critter and tell them to vote no.

    Doesn't this also violate something called the 1st amendment?

  67. Technically no, practically maybe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    What about all those podcasts with 100% legal content?

    They are not affected. If you own the copyright, or get explicit permission from the copyright holder, you can do whatever you want, or they allow. However, working out licencing deals with potentially thousands of copyright holders is impractical, and therefore in order to to make radio feasible congress created an exception to normal copyright law called a statutory license, which basically says that can broadcast any song you want without negotiating a license, if you pay a broadcast fee to a regulatory group, who then "fairly" distributes the money - see section 114(d) of the copyright law.

    I would much prefer the RIAA simply not license content to DRM free broadcasts and sue those who don't have a license.

    But see that is the whole point - with statutory licensing the RIAA doesn't have a choice - the license is required by the law, hence the word statutory. They cannot block radio stations from playing their music as long as the stations are paying the appropriate fees, and following other applicable laws.

    Ever since the internet came into existance, the major labels have been doing everything they can to keep internet radio impractical including convincing congress to make the statutory licenses fees for online broadcast fairly hefty and apply per-listener, which makes them financially infeasable. Because of this, all of the major successfull online radio stations have forgone statutory licensing, opting instead to make deals with the major 3, thus giving the RIAA far greater influence in how the station is run (including what codec are allowed).

    There is one other caveat I should mention. Even if you are playing only free music you need to keep good records of all the songs played, and documentation of the licenses of those songs in case you ever get sued. Remember - civil court cases have a weaker burden of proof, and in the past online radio stations playing only free music have been shutdown because they could not provide reasonably supported argument that they did not play the plantiff's music.

    pavon - at work and forgot my password.
    1. Re:Technically no, practically maybe. by dhasenan · · Score: 1

      But see that is the whole point - with statutory licensing the RIAA doesn't have a choice - the license is required by the law, hence the word statutory. They cannot block radio stations from playing their music as long as the stations are paying the appropriate fees, and following other applicable laws. Such as the DMCA? If you get around the encryption and redistribute on a statutory license, you're still in trouble.

  68. Mic up to the speaker by zig973 · · Score: 1

    Works every time.

  69. Re:No podcasts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OOOOOH Look children, over there you'll see a great specimen of a Pedantic Ass.

    These are usually shunned by other members of their species because they pretend that being pretentious and condescending when discussing shit no one else cares about somehow elevates them intellectually.

    Meanwhile, everyone is laughing at how pathetic they are behind their backs.

    And in this case the Pedantic Ass is wrong too, as podcasts are called podcasts, regardless of what device one listens to them on.

    Is you life really so empty and meaningless that you waste time trying to convince people you're right about this shit?

    Oh wait, you're a Pedantic Ass, of course it is.

  70. Mod Parent Up by physicsnick · · Score: 1

    The only reason the *AA are pushing this bill is to harm independent artists. There's nothing preventing them from using DRM on their own published media, or from requiring licensees (such as online radio stations) to use DRM. They want this bill to pass to require independent artists to do the same; they hope many of them will not want to foot the bill themselves, opting instead to sign on with a *AA label or give up entirely.

    It's a sad state of government where corporations dictate freedom.

  71. This makes sense by pestilence669 · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah, I can think of nothing better than loading up my favorite Ebert & Roeper podcast, skipping to 9:18 and ripping my favorite song. This is asinine.

    The only good thing about all of this is that DRM doesn't work. The bad thing: you'll do federal time just to enact your rights to fair use.

  72. Radio Ga Ga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Radio what's new?
    Radio, someone still loves you.
    /Me Turns radio on, tunes in local classic rock FM station, pops in tape, presses record.

    DRM that muthafukas! :P

    I shouldn't tempt them, next thing you know they'll ban radio.
    1. Re:Radio Ga Ga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The music industry does not care too much about FM radio and tape because of the low-quality recording. The high fidelity of the music is first lost due to FM transmission/reception artifacts. Then the music quality is further degraded by recording on tape.

      MP3 ripping on the other hand can be very high fidelity, creating a replacement for CDs, and potentially replacing/overthrowing the music label's bread-and-butter job as a distributor.

  73. Well... please do this ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And then the US people will be forced to listen the non-DRM:ed streams coming from the rest of the world... since most other sane countries will NOT require this...

    The alternative will be to censor access to non-US internet, which on the other hand is not unthinkable with these stupid ideas...

  74. What if they make it with no teeth? by GregPK · · Score: 1

    Lets say that they can make DRM required but it cannot cost the customer, the government, or the manufacture of the item a single penny... All costs associated with enforcement, research, implementation, Jailtime costs, police enforcement, customer support, ect. Must be absorbed by the music industry and they can't hire thier own people to enforce it... All must be payed to the state and use only public agency lawyers. Music industry of course will balk at the idea that they have to pay for DRM which already costs societ well into the billions of dollars in both time and money.

  75. Bill applies to commercial broadcasts only by landijk · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up.

    If you read what Feinstein herself says about the bill, it's clearly about commercial broadcasts-- the kind you need a government license for. If you broadcast other people's music under a government broadcast license, you have to apply DRM. If you make your own licensing arrangements with the copyright holders (i.e. yourself, perhaps), the bill doesn't apply.

    1. Re:Bill applies to commercial broadcasts only by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      If you read what Feinstein herself says about the bill, it's clearly about commercial broadcasts-- the kind you need a government license for. If you broadcast other people's music under a government broadcast license, you have to apply DRM. If you make your own licensing arrangements with the copyright holders (i.e. yourself, perhaps), the bill doesn't apply.

      It doesn't apply only to those with a government granted monopoly, broadcast license. The page you link to says: This bill would require satellite, cable and Internet broadcasters . To webcast does not require a license but as you can read this law applies to webcasters, "Internet broadcasters", as well. More confirmations follow:

      • "1...This means that Internet, cable, and satellite will all be subject to the same rate standards;"
      • "2. It requires that Internet, cable and satellite providers employ technology that will prevent downloading, manipulation and sorting of the music that they play to prevent individuals from creating their own personalized play-lists."
      • " Background on the Feinstein-Graham PERFORM Act:"
        Creating Rate Parity - all cable, satellite, and internet companies should be subject to the same rates

      Fact is is this proposed law would apply to media that doesn't require a license, unless you want to make webcasting requie a license.

      Falcon
    2. Re:Bill applies to commercial broadcasts only by landijk · · Score: 1

      The quote parent and I are referring to is this -- "The bill would require cable, Internet and satellite providers to use reasonably available technology to protect the music, IF they want to enjoy the benefit of a government license. If, however, a company wants to use new technologies beyond the scope of a government license then they must go to the record companies directly to negotiate a licensing agreement through the market."

      Yes as you point out the language elsewhere is somewhat broader and seems to cover all Internet and satellite broadcasts. However, the above paragraph clearly states what kind of broadcasts are covered by the proposed requirements. Under the proposed rule, not everyone who broadcasts needs a government license, but everyone who gets a government license has to apply DRM. Don't like DRM? Negotiate licensing with the copyright holder for every song you play.

  76. Libertarians and constitutional protections by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Usually it's only one constitutionally protected freedom judging by the Libertarians around here.

    And what it that?

    As a Libertarian I support and freedom and liberty. As long as someone doesn't harm another they should be able to do whatever they want.

    Falcon
  77. Democrats for evil corporations, you're kidding??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup. I guess politics is not as simple as many (anti-Republican) slashdotters think.

  78. Mandatory DRM by kawabago · · Score: 0

    Mandating DRM is going to bump up against freedom of expression and won't go any further.

  79. Re:Feinstein by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

    Why. Is the house immune?

    --
    "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
  80. I knew this sounded familiar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  81. civil disobedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    time for some it seems

  82. This is absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is completely crazy. First, they assume that all podcasts contain copyrighted music tracks. Not so, most podcasts I've listened don't contain any music. And those that do are purely centered around unsigned indie artists who want to be heard, and wish for their music to be freely distributable.

    Second, this would be akin to shoving DRM requirements down the throat of National Public Radio and news broadcasts, only to spite tape recorders everywhere.

    I truly hope that this does not succeed.

  83. Right by sheldon · · Score: 1

    Because the Libertarians did personal liberties such a favor by backing the President's invasion of Iraq.

    Proposals and Law are two different things. I'll fret and claim the sky is falling if and when it's actually passed.

    1. Re:Right by Snarfangel · · Score: 1

      Because the Libertarians did personal liberties such a favor by backing the President's invasion of Iraq.

      Source, please.

      The reason I ask is, Ron Paul is probably the most Libertarian member of Congress (after all, he was the Libertarian candidate for President in 1988). To quote Wikipedia, "He voted against the Iraq War Resolution and continues to criticize the US presence in Iraq, and what he charges is the use of the war on terror to curtail civil liberties. He has also broken with his party by voting against the Patriot Act in 2001 and again in 2005."

      Anyway, I'd like to compare the resume of the supposed Libertarian who supported the pre-emptive attack with Representative Paul's.

      (Full disclosure: I find some of Paul's positions a bit nutty, like returning to the gold standard, but Libertarians do not have a monolithic viewpoint on every subject.)

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    2. Re:Right by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      Which libertarians supported the Iraq war? I want solid references, otherwise you're just full of shit.

  84. Libertarians vs DRM by dr_turgeon · · Score: 1

    This GOP initiaive is bullshit, of course. Yes, the democrats will pull out boners like this on occasion. PMRC, DMCA anyone? But after witnessing the NeoCons trash America, we certainly cannot afford to conflate both sides.

    Libertarianism seems to have become a haven for embarrassed right-wingnuts. They now point to our shitty government (for which many of them probably voted) and say: "See how badly government works. Let's to turn our futures over to the major corporations now!"

    But I can't get over all these Slashdot 'libertarians'... More than ever I see them pushing their magic solution/trick -- [look ma, no guv'ment]. Yet the social consciousness doesn't go beyond having gadgets and/or lower taxes.

    Am I wrong? Are engineers not brain-dead outside of work?

    --
    "...objectivity resides in recognizing your preferences, subjecting them to especially harsh scrutiny." -Gould
  85. Huh by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Feinstein. Biden. 'Nuff said.

    --
    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  86. Sweet! I'm gonna be even more a criminal! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    I have seen 4 laws passed in the past 5 years that have taken perfectly innocent and honest behaivoir and make it criminal. Now they make me even more of a criminal because I refuse to use ANY DRM on my podcast.

    I wonder how long before they will start rounding up all us dissidents that are trying to use this dangerous freedom and dare to have free thought.

    --
    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  87. What's next? by cepler · · Score: 1

    So I guess the next wave is that the government will require DRM chip implants since being able to HEAR an unencrypted stream of audio permits it to be recorded thus the audio playback must be encrypted and decrypted internally via the implanted DRM chip in your brain.

    1. Re:What's next? by spitzak · · Score: 1

      Not only that, the chip will also prevent you from singing or humming the music, since that would allow unauthorized listeners to hear it.

    2. Re:What's next? by cepler · · Score: 1

      Aha, good point, singing the lyrics would be duplicating copyrighted material and must be prevented!

  88. Kickin' $$ and takin' names by gridsleep · · Score: 1

    It's nice of the general media to reveal the names of exactly who is having their pockets lined by the music industry.

  89. DRM has NEVER been about piracy -its about control by gsfprez · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The RIAA screwed up and didn't make DRM mandatory on their media - the CD - and so, it turned out that just about anyone in 2000 could produce and reproduce and sell a fairly decent product without needing the "music industry".

    The MPAA learned from this, and since video gear is about two decimal places more expensive, they've had a head start in making sure that independent film makers are fucked when it comes to producing next-gen video. I can shoot, edit, and create totally fine high-def product - but the MPAA is preventing me from distributing it. I have to go thru them, or pay an insane price to ensure that high def disks (BR/HDDVD) will play on consumer gear by going thru a high priced disc publisher so-as to get the new DRM put on the thing.

    The point of DRM is to prevent the next George Lucas (his beginnings, not his shitty blockbusters of the 2000s) from going out, making a damn fine movie on prosumer gear, editing it in Final Cut, and burning copies of the disks that will look stunning on all those plasma/LCD/DLP screens that people will want to buy and see more of. Right now, it could be done on DVD since you can make DVDs without CCS. You can't make movies without AACS and BR+ that will playback on consumer gear.

    They have, by all logic, prevented independent production of next gen video disks ahead of the formats even being available. You want to make a disk - you gotta pay the toll, or you don't play. No more small, independent firms making a living heling folks get their content onto next gen disks... no more making home movies that you can send to other people.

    That's what it has been about all along, it has been very little to do with piracy. Its all about making sure that when the equipment is up there with what Peter Jackson and Spielberg can get that you can't compete with them.

    --
    guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
  90. Home recording is exempted. by irfeld · · Score: 1

    Acording to this document on Feinstien's website, at least home recording would be exempted under this awful bill. http://feinstein.senate.gov/07releases/r-perform01 11.htm

  91. The sky is falling.... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1
    The PERFORM Act would require satellite, cable and Internet broadcasters to pay fair market value for the performance of digital music. Additionally, the bill would require the use of readily available and cost-effective technology to prevent music theft,"..."By their description, that means requiring all such services to pay "fair market value" for the use of copyright music libraries. The bill's sponsors argue the existing regime must change because it applies different royalty rates, depending on what medium transmits the music."


    This is about royalty payments and preventing theft for the traditional record labels. This is *not* about limiting legitimately free music (which doesn't have royalty payments associated with it by definition). So if you write a song, record it, an release it under a free (e.g. creative commons) license, then you can distribute it however you like without limitation. I don't see how any reasonable person would interpret that any differently - and that is how it would go down if brought to court.

    The sky is not falling - but there might be a fight ahead regarding the interpretation of the meaning of this if it is passed.
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    Lodragan Draoidh
    The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
    1. Re:The sky is falling.... by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      " In addition, a company may not provide a recording device to a customer that would allow him or her to create their own personalized music library that can be manipulated and maintained without paying a reproduction royalty."


      And technically speaking, this is not designed to prevent theft of any kind - believing so shows you trust people who, though probobly very intelligent otherwise, make themselves sound smart by mis-stating legal law.

      --
      If you believe in privacy, and believe you have "nothing to hide" at the same time, you're a goddammed idiot
  92. Re:No podcasts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so sick and tired of people asking me about PODcasts.

    That's funny, because I've never spent a single second thinking about it. I suspect that's because I'm busy thinking about things that are important, like what I'll be having for breakfast or that great dump I took a few days ago.

    But I'm not a disgustingly pathetic loser with no life who has time to think about stupid shit like you are, so I'll have to defer to you.

    It doesn't need a special name.

    And yet, it has one. Like virtually everything that is an amalgamation of several common things, the populace has created a term and it has entered the vernacular.

    I guess you lost this one douchie, how does it taste to care about stupid shit AND be completely impotent in changing it?

    I bet it tastes like a lonely Saturday night. But, I don't know how that tastes, so again I'll have to defer to you and your expertise.

  93. More info.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is the act: http://www.performact.com/pdf/s2644-109.pdf

    Here is the law that it changes

    http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#114

    AFAICT, it does not seem to restrict broadcasts if the material being transmitted is not copyrighted. The relevant text from the bill is:

    (c) Content Protection.--Section 114(d)(2) of title 17, United States
    Code, is amended--
    (1) in subparagraph (A)--
    (A) in clause (ii), by striking ``and'' after the semicolon;
    (B) in clause (iii), by adding ``and'' after the semicolon; and
    (C) by adding after clause (iii) the following:
    ``(iv) the transmitting entity takes no affirmative steps to
    authorize, enable, cause or induce the making of a copy or
    phonorecord by or for the transmission recipient and uses technology
    that is reasonably available, technologically feasible, and economically
    reasonable to prevent the making of copies or phonorecords
    embodying the transmission in whole or in part, except for reasonable
    recording as defined in this subsection;'';

    The section that is being editted, 114(d)(2) restricts broadcasts that would otherwise be under section 114(d)(1). 114(d)(1) exempts certain types of broadcasts. However, the section 114(d) is only qualifying section 106 which deals with the exclusive rights of copyrighted work.

  94. This really screws me, as in, personally. by Fonce · · Score: 1

    This is precisely the sort of legislation that makes my blood boil. This piece, in particular, hits very much home, as I recently took a full-time job at a radio station (WJBD). I'm an on-air personality, but more importantly I'm "the computer guy" and in charge of a lot of new and exciting projects that are already starting to make us a lot of money in ways we'd never imagined. In the forefront of those is, you guessed it, streaming radio.

    At present we're broadcasting local high school ballgames (football, basketball) but will eventually be streaming our entire broadcast 24/7. Right now there's no music involved, as it's just games, so should this pass we still would have no need to apply DRM. Or is there? Technically, as the law would, in theory, read, we would have to apply DRM since we're an FCC-approved "real" radio station. This is a cost we're not ready to accept, nor is it convenient for our relatively technically-uninclined listeners who will undoubtedly have trouble making the upgrade/conversion. Even if we weren't an FCC-licensed station (such as a college online-only station) we would still have to use DRM on the off chance that music gets played at the game. Yes, friends, I kid you not. If the basketball team has warmup music, we're responsible for that being broadcast. If the national anthem is a recording (which ours never is) then we may be liable depending on who recorded it. Or, if this law is as all-encompassing as I believe it's going to be, then we definitely will have to have DRM, period. And that pisses everyone here off.

    Why does it piss us off? For one, it's costly. We're operating on free software at present. Likely that will not immediately be available for legal reasons; this is usually the case, and during the time we're 'off-air', we'll be losing money. We simply can't take chances on pissing off the FCC. Since I'm primarily the overseer of our digital projects, my job may be in jeopardy, all because the **AA wants to ensure that music executives in the United States make every penny they can. Rather than making their products enticing enough for us to want to pay for, they're trying to force us to do so through totalitarian means, using the government as their puppet and spending millions, perhaps even billions to force everyone into their monopolistic traps.

    It's ridiculous and it will continue until such a time that we, with extreme prejudice, force the offending legislators out of office and replace them with ones who actually have respect for the people they represent.

    --
    If all my base are belong to you and I attempt to retrieve my base, does that mean I'm freebasing?
  95. US competitiveness? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

    As a non-USian, I feel like congress keeps helping me be (relatively) more competitive with each passing day.

    - RG>

    --
    Hey pal, this isn't a pleasantforest, so don't waste my time with pleasantries!
  96. Do you think... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

    Do you think that legislation will end at POD casting? The media industry won't quit until it has positioned itself to squeeze every possible penny from consumers. Controlling our fair use rights one media at a time is part of their plans.

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    The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
  97. DRM applies to posts too by dingleberrie · · Score: 1

    Actually, it's not just podcasts. This post has DRM enab(=! ïK & .áÉ d@ @Bàe@AuAÅ4t h\L gi÷W14b (2£]CD) 371 /65

  98. So Seriously... by crossmr · · Score: 1

    Has anyone just tried telling them to Fuck off lately? Maybe a few times?

  99. Piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...used to be something that no one really thought about. Now It is turning into something that MUST be done. CDs infect computers, DRM is incompatible with your MP3 player, or now, you simply want to make a podcast for anyone to listen to. They want technology to move backwards, but I know I won't be giving up any ground.

  100. Vote in the primaries, volunteer, etc. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    I live (and vote) in California. What were we supposed to do in November?

    By November it was far too late.

    What you should have been doing is:
      - voting in the primaries (where you get to have an influence in the selection of the "lessor devil") and
      - becoming involved in the local organizations of one of the major parties.

    You think the politicians pay attention to their contributors? It's NOTHING to the attention they pay to their staffers, election workers, and other party functionaries.

    And it's a real scream when it comes election time and the volunteers refuse to distribute literature for one of the party's candidates - leaving the local party boss with the choice of getting the other candidates' literature out or getting none out. B-)

    (The Republicans found that out in the last election, when a bunch of their volunteers refused to post signs, circulate literature, or even talk to voters about, a notorious gun-grabing R.)

    So get off your heinie and do it NOW, to head off more such fallout from the NEXT election.

    (And also to get the word across to the fallout from THIS election that they've misjudged the opinions of their TRUE base - the rank-and-file of their own party.)

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  101. Elections by bobbuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I did not know that voters are obligated in any way to vote for the candidate with the most money. The real problem is that nobody pays attention.

    1. Re:Elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter who you voted for, if all the likely candidates both accepted the bribe.

      Democrat, Republican, they're both whores. And, before someone mentions it, any third party will put its self up for sale once it gets large enough.

  102. Chilling Effect -on Free Speach by hhawk · · Score: 1

    A PODcast is nothing more than an electronic pamphlet. The proposed law using typically mass market DRM would have a CHILLING EFFECT on free speech by preventing anonymous speech.

    Part of free speech is anonymous speech, as in the anonymous pamphlet protesting unfair taxes imposed by King George or in the modern era protesting taxes, war or anything else. As long as you aren't "crying fire in a theater that isn't burning" free speech means not only do you have the right to say what you want but also that you have the right to keep your identity hidden.

    Most DRM that I know of provide cryptographic secure proof of whom the owner/originator of the document/file is. Now it could be done anonymously just like e-money could be done anonymously... but often isn't.

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    http://www.hawknest.com/
    1. Re:Chilling Effect -on Free Speach by Time_Ngler · · Score: 1

      It doesn't affect non-copyrighted works being broadcasted, so it won't have a "CHILLING EFFECT"

    2. Re:Chilling Effect -on Free Speach by hhawk · · Score: 1

      I think the term PODcast here is being used in a way that is overly broad.

      Current law requires that certain usage of copyright material be "as of right." For example if you own a jukebox, your allowed to use any records in the Jukebox. No artist or band can prevent you from using their music in your jukebox. However, you must pay royalities for this use. Typically by law these are set by the Library of Congress, Chief Libr.

      This law is aimed at changing that to a more market based system.

      --
      http://www.hawknest.com/
  103. Re:I WIN thanks for losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is this your example of "reasonable discourse"? Nice rebuttal there, I like how you didn't needlessly resort to insults right off the bat.

    BTW, I'm not a Democrat, regardless of what your (apparently poor) intuition tells you.

  104. It's bad but not quite as bad as implied by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've read the act and it applies to music acquired under a statutory license (SoundExchange license) ie music from the major labels.
    If you use your own music or indy music you're not required to use DRM. I guess the question is whether or not webcasters using services like Live365 and Shoutcast will get a choice or if DRM will be added regardless of content. The Shoutcast protocol is fairly well known so I suspect even if the offical webcasting software requires DRM, third party software will still allow open streams.
    The EFF still has their analysis of the bill up from it's previous unsuccessful introduction at
    http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004587.php

  105. AAAAAAGGGGGGH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I need to find a brain eraser for that mental image that your sick, sick, sick mind came up with!

    1. Re:AAAAAAGGGGGGH! by Wiseleo · · Score: 1

      You've just been erased!

      --
      Leonid S. Knyshov
      Find me on Quora :)
  106. meaning of "GOP" by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    The sickly ironic part is "GOP" is supposed to stand for "Government of the People".

    Actually "GOP" means "Grand Old Party". Try googling "Grand Old Party" and the first two results are Republican National Committee websites.

    Falcon
  107. OMG Bush is teh suck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, wait...

  108. Finally, bipartisan cooperation! by Infonaut · · Score: 1

    I for one am heartened to see that Congress hasn't gotten deflected from *real issues* by the sideshow of Iraq, gerrymandering, oil dependency, the education system, corruption on Wall Street, or the environment.

    --
    Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
  109. Ok, thats it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Effff you, illustrious leaders.

    As the author of Autiorecorder ( a program that allows the recording and filtering
    of XM content, allowing naming and population of mp3 tags according to the Xmitted
    data from XM radio, direct competitor of TimeTrax ) I give you the middle finger and
    GIVE AWAY my program in order to directly spit on your bill.

    You all know who elected these people, and that they are not doing what you elected
    them to do. Instead, they are taking their new found and very temporary power to
    stomp on your rights. YOUR rights. Get it?

    So underground it is. Runnin' with the moles ( as harvy so aptly put it ).

    Get busy with your REAL job and leave the impossible to those that can handle it.

    (Burning with hatred for the man).

    Herring. Red. Herring.

  110. Mos Def and Ludicris by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    This idea is stunningly stupid. Why is it that technology can bring out the stupid in even some otherwise reasonable people? Is there something about the fact that so much money is involved, or is there something about most people of a certain age just not knowing a goddam thing about it?

    Or maybe there is something built-in to the hype surrounding technologies that are targeted at mainstream consumers that creates a momentary insanity in even well-educated folks?

    Whatever it is, I'm starting to think that it's incumbent upon those of us whose lives are closely entwined with tech, and who use tech on a daily basis, to keep a constant pressure on those of the ruling class who open their mouths about technical issues, and to praise those who put forth ideas that make sense and mercilessly ridicule those who, like Feinstein, Biden, Graham and Alexander, have shown remarkable bipartisan dopiness.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
  111. Why do we need this law? by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Presumably anyone playing RIAA music is either A.Playing it without permission (in which case its a copyright violation and the RIAA can sue) or B.Playing it with a license (in which case the RIAA can change the license to mandate DRM).

    What this is really aimed at (like all the paperwork requirements for online streaming radio stations the RIAA rammed through) is making it too hard for online streamers (particularly those that play music not owned by the RIAA) to continue to operate.

  112. Fake Democrats by algae · · Score: 1

    Taking a page from the Republicans' play book, I would like say that Senator Feinstein is a DINO - Democrat in Name Only. She's totally beholden to large corporate interests, is a big-time drug warrior, has massively expanded California's prison system, and generally has little to no interest in upholding traditional liberal (as in, "liberty") ideals. Like Lieberman, she's the worst combination of social conservative and economic liberal.

    And I say this as a life-long democrat.

    --
    Causation can cause correlation
    1. Re:Fake Democrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "She's totally beholden to large corporate interests"

      Which makes her just like every other government official with the exception of Cynthia McKinney (no longer in congress) and Ron Paul.

      As if there is any meaningful difference between voting for Fascists or voting for Socialists.

      People of this country had better pull their big stupid heads out of their fat stupid asses or there isn't going to be an America anymore.

  113. For The People? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I always thought Congress was there to do the bidding of the people. Sounds like its once again time to clean house.

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  114. Make the music industry pay for it by GregPK · · Score: 1

    I say we allow it so long as no costs are passed on to the customer, government or seller. So the RIAA has to come up with the money to cover all costs associated with implementation, research, enforcement and all enforcement has to go through public agencies which again they must cover the costs for.

  115. Scuttlemonkey, You Suck Ass by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

    HOLY FUCK, SCUTTLEMONKEY. Didn't the internet community just bitch about Fox claiming that Mark Foley was a Democrat, and now this?

    Let me set this straight for you: Both Biden and Feinstein are DEMOCRATS. Neither are members of the GOP. I'm just pissed about this, because the US elects the Democrats into power presumably for change, and then it's business as usual with the Broadcast Flag. Feinstein is the Democratic senior senator from California (Hollywood, etc.) and Biden is a senator from Delaware, where nearly all corporations in the US are incorporated (legally "born"). Big surprise that these two would be snorting coke of the MPAA's thighs like they are now.

    How the hell could you fuck something like this up?

    On a related note, Ron Paul has formed an exploratory committee for the '08 election. I've written to him before asking him his opinion, and he opposes the broadcast flag. If we get a president in who opposes the flag, we can have a safety net in the Executive Branch.

  116. what about international broadcasts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will I commit a crime if I listen to a DRM free podcast from Russia, India or Kenia? Will there be technology put in place to keep me from pulling DRM free evilness from other countries? Maybe it's a good idea to put a huge fence around the internet.

  117. Yep, right on time by davmoo · · Score: 1

    And a lot of you people thought the Democrats were going to be more friendly to tech than the Republicans. Ha!

    We have the best government money can buy.

    --
    I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
  118. The fashion industry by Mike+Kelly · · Score: 1

    The entire fashion industry is based on copying other peoples work. Let's campaign for DRM (Dress Rights Management) for a change!

  119. Of Mozart, Allegri and the Miserere by Evil+Pete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Suddenly reminded of the story of Mozart and the Miserere. The Miserere, a choral piece of exceptional beauty, was written around 1630 by Allegri. The Church in due course decided this was too good for the plebs so one of the Popes decreed that only it could only be performed in the Sistine Chapel in Rome and furthermore, this is the part I love, any of the performers who divulged, copied or gave any part of it to anyone else would be excommunicated. Ahhh original brand DRM.

    When Mozart was 12 years old he went to Rome and witnessed the performance. Then later wrote it down from memory.

    DRM didn't work then, and wont work now.

    My 2 cents worth.

    --
    Bitter and proud of it.
    1. Re:Of Mozart, Allegri and the Miserere by MadAhab · · Score: 1

      Excellent point.

      Biden has lost my vote - I don't want a different version of kowtowing to corporations, I want political representatives who represent their constituents, not one or another stripe of corporate slavemasters.

      --
      Expanding a vast wasteland since 1996.
    2. Re:Of Mozart, Allegri and the Miserere by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

      IIRC, that Mozart story is mostly legend.

      Small point, I know, but it brings up the real one: the problem with DRM is decidedly *not that it "doesn't work".

      --
      My turnips listen for the soft cry of your love
  120. wow, it goes both ways by spitzak · · Score: 1

    Take a look above and you will find an equally-irate person complaining that the Democrats got full names and that they thought this was disparaging to the Democrats. This was somewhat backed up by responses which indicated that the original submission had the title "Democrats push new DRM bill" which certainly implies the original wording was done by somebody who did not like Democrats.

    The should fix these articles by naming everybody and putting (D) and (R) after each name, so you and that guy will stop throwing hissy fits. Apparently any discrepency in how things are decided is considered an insult by both sides...

    1. Re:wow, it goes both ways by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1
      I didn't see anything above me because I read at +4 and comment plenty of time after the article is posted in order to have useful posts already modded up. Since I didn't see anything modded up correcting this mistake (and believe me, it's a pretty big mistake in the grand scheme of stop-this-fucking-flag), I posted a correction (also, since /.ers don't RTFA, the correction was necessary.
      Apparently any discrepency in how things are decided is considered an insult by both sides...
      It's not an insult. It's a mistake with great ramifications: the next election comes around, and Slashdotters recall that the GOP started this broadcast flag legislation. "Well, then I'll vote (D) instead." Now they'd be voting for the people who instantiated the bill. And I'm no (R), so don't be making your snide "Ohhh...Republicans must also take offense at this" ramarks. I'm against giving any party more false FUD to sling.
    2. Re:wow, it goes both ways by spitzak · · Score: 1

      Fudge. The second link seems to work. Hit "parent" in it to see the first comment.

  121. A prime example: by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

    A bill to raise minimum wage has been introduced by Democrats. But an exception to this bill is the US territory of American Samoa.

    "Why" one might ask?

    Because StarKist the tuna company has a factory on that island. But why does that make them special? Because their HQ is in the district of Nanci Pelosi who introduced that part of the bill.

    Anyone who says that Democrats are "for the people" or "dont sell out to corporate interests" are full of horseshit. Both parties do it, both parties are guilty as hell, and BOTH parties should be barred from holding a majority of seats in the Congress.

    This is the sort of shit that makes my blood boil! Anyone who voted for EITHER the Dems or the Reps is part of the problem and helps continue this corporate sell-out of the US. Remember, the government that governs the least, governs the best.

    Don't believe me? Look here:
    http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&n...&ncl=1112569 873

    --
    Libertas in infinitum
  122. Third Party - With Apologies to The Simpsons by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 1

    Homer: America, take a good look at your beloved candidates. They're nothing but hideous space reptiles. [unmasks them]
    [audience gasps in terror]

    Kodos: It's true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? It's a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us. [murmurs]

    Man1: He's right, this is a two-party system.

    Man2: Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate.

    Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.
    [Kang and Kodos laugh out loud]

    [Ross Perot smashes his "Perot 96" hat]

    (link)

  123. What the *@&$ ! by nickheart · · Score: 1
    Why is the gov spending time thinking about mandating DRM to content?

    How could they possible have any right to mandate DRM for broadcasts? I could understand, but still not agree with, a company deciding they will copy-protect their broadcasts; but a law?????

  124. Internet talk radio by Technician · · Score: 1

    "The PERFORM Act would require satellite, cable and Internet broadcasters to pay fair market value for the performance of digital music. Additionally, the bill would require the use of readily available and cost-effective technology to prevent music theft,"

    Knowing the issues of figuring out the size of your listening audiance and the huge prices charged for fair market value for the performance of digital music I see a lot of Internet broadcasters to simply become Talk Radio or band advertisement promotional sites. Internet broadcasters simply can't agree to the fair market value for the performance of digital music as defined by the content providers. It would put them out of business which is the intent of the bill. Traditional broadcasters hate the competition. Some over the air talk radio stations have an online presense, but strip out the music for the online version due to the requirements of the music industry.

    --
    The truth shall set you free!
  125. I doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it is required, the shadow government mercenary goons will (under orders from on high) pull off another 9-11, but this time much worse. They are in a position to do it and get away with it, and have already proven they can. This will completely stifle any effective opposition to the various wars.

    The wars over resources and global hegemony are just starting, they have barely begun. You can call them the clash of the civilizations or anything else, but that is all it is really about, who controls the turf and resources. The wealth, the real wealth of the planet. Oil, fresh water, good arable land, critical minerals, etc. The real wealth.

        Way, way up higher than any of your named politicians (or nations for that matter) is where the real political and economic power resides. A few thousand people control this planet.

      Look at wars now, really take a look. They are full international in scope and are only maintained because of international (transnational) corporations. Get it? See it yet?

        Wars are high tech, and for most practical purposes now, high tech *knows no national boundaries*. It doesn't. Bits and pieces and parts and gear to fight wars come from all nations-that isn't important. The important part is to look at the ownership of the bits and pieces and parts of the gear, from the boots to the missiles to the fuels used to the currencies used to the stocks sold to....all of it, a full industrial yellow pages, A-Z. Look upstream as far as you can, then interpret from there as best as possible. That's who runs the world now, who funds it, where the big decisions get really made.

        Think of these ultra high level folks who control everything as wolves, all part of various smaller wolf packs with shifting loyalties. The wolves will fight amongst themselves over a carcass or some turf, but they are always going to be wolves to each other, and everyone else falls into the "prey" class. No matter where you go on the planet, you are either one of the top much less than one percent of the population wolves-or you aren't. And if you are, you know it (and are probably not posting or reading on slashdot either).

        No, your mideast (and african and asian and south american and sometime again north american and european) wars are not going to be ending anytime soon. Don't believe any fairy tales like that. No little group of pipsqueak political money grubbers are going to change any of that-none of them are the wolves. They just aren't, they are the public actors who are given orders at those levels, part of the political psychodrama that is promulgated to keep the prey from even noticing the wolves.

    Once you grok that, really grok it in your psyche, then the best you can do is develop an *individual* plan to work around that reality as best as possible.

  126. One guy who might be able to do it by zogger · · Score: 1

    Here's one guy who is probably running that I think most freedom loving folks might endorse. Longshot, the media will go out of their way to ignore him, his own party sort of ignores him but he gets relected by his locals because he's an honest dude, a true rarity in the district of criminals. Pretty smart guy, strict Constitutionalist, and etc. There needs to be a ton of pressure applied (and support for and $upport for) from the grass roots level.

    http://www.ronpaulexplore.com/

    his regular website

    http://www.house.gov/paul/

  127. Ron Paul by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Here's one guy who is probably running that I think most freedom loving folks might endorse. Longshot, the media will go out of their way to ignore him, his own party sort of ignores him but he gets relected by his locals because he's an honest dude, a true rarity in the district of criminals. Pretty smart guy, strict Constitutionalist, and etc. There needs to be a ton of pressure applied (and support for and $upport for) from the grass roots level.

    I'm not registered Republican, I'm registered independent, but if he's running in the primary I'll register Republican just to vote for Ron Paul in the primary. Of course afterwards I'd change back to independent. I voted for him the first tyme he ran for president, in 1988 he ran on the Libertarian Party ticket. Hell, If I lived in his Texas district I would of voted for him again. I heard yesterday he was putting together an exploritory committee to see if he would run for pres on the republican ticket.

    Falcon
  128. No problem by MacWiz · · Score: 1

    There is no content protection that works, much less any that is reasonably available. It is not technologically feasible, therefore it cannot be economically reasonable.

    This bill, if passed, would necessitate the removal of RIAA material from all satellite rasio and webcasting until they have economically reasonable, technologically feasible and reasonably available copy protection.

    I don't have a problem with that.

    1. Re:No problem by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that this applies only to satellite radio stations and internet radio stations that play RIAA music?
      Unless "RIAA" is in the bill itself, this law would affect all satellite and internet radio. Every last station. Or at best, all stations of those types that play any music whatsoever, regardless of who published it.

      --
      There is a fine line between recklessness and courage... -- Paul McCartney
    2. Re:No problem by MacWiz · · Score: 1

      The statutory license to which this bill refers only applies to the RIAA, as they were the only copyright holders which were a party in the negotiations. Independents are not bound by it and are free to negotiate different royalties or waive their royalties altogether.

      E. Sound Recordings Not Licensed Under Section 112/114

              Many services, particularly those performing older works, transmit
      sound recordings that are not under federal copyright protection or
      whose term has expired. Also, many services may perform works that are
      in the public domain, or for which no copyright is claimed, or may
      directly license certain sound recordings from their owners.


      When the first version became effective in 2002, Artemis Records waived all royalties for webcasters for the first year. The RIAA had no objection to Artemis' move, because their firm belief is that the copyright holder should have control over how their music is used.

    3. Re:No problem by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      Thanks.
      Looks like that does clear public domain works and most of the copylefted works. It'll still hurt stations that play music from normal indie labels and unsigned artists who don't use copylefts: works are copyrighted normally unless marked otherwise, and I believe that there are enough indie labels and unsigned artists out there to make negotiations interesting.
      Recommend indie labels keep an eye on RIAA vs. Allofmp3, since the ROMS radio collectors are involved in that suit. If the RIAA wins that suit, and the current statutary radio collector in America doesn't pay indie labels, then interesting things can happen...

      --
      There is a fine line between recklessness and courage... -- Paul McCartney
  129. Biden and your vote by ansak · · Score: 1
    Too bad for you he doesn't need your vote for another SIX!! years. You gotta wonder just who's been contributing to these guys' campaign funds. "Fair use" must be like meat in North Korea to these guys!

    sheesh...ank

    --
    Still hoping for Gentle Treatment...
  130. I, Peon by ShagratTheTitleless · · Score: 0

    Say what you want about the rest of them but don't say nothin' bout Di-Fi. That chick packs heat. 'Cuz she's better than the rest of us.

    --
    Sometimes at night I imagine the darkness is filled with horrible things with too many teeth, like Julia Roberts.
  131. Color laser printer fingerprints by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

    Most (but not all) color laser printers put several copies of a pattern of small yellow dots onto every page they print. The pattern is a fingerprint which identifies the printer model and serial number. The alleged justification for this "feature" is for finding counterfeiters. In practice, it makes any printout from such a printer (and sufficiently high resolution copies of the printout) traceable back to a unique printer. AFAIK, it does not apply to monochrome laser printers, and probably not to inkjets - or not yet, anyway.
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,118664-page,1/ar ticle.html

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    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
  132. not just Feinstein. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It really pisses me off that ever time we talk about DRM we hear Biden. (Remember his wacked out idea about DRM in every A2D / D2A electronic device?)

    Now Feinstein is in there too.

    It seems like every damn time the democrats (Who I absolutely believe need to be in control right now to put a check on Bush before everything is fucking gone) get power all we hear is Gun Control, DRM.

    Yet with the republicans, The Gays, Abortion, Religion and the complete fucking destruction of the constitution.

    I say, fuck it, have your fucking DRM for "podcasts" and "streaming radio"

    The shit will just go underground.

    Hey Feinstein, And Biden, I know you don't read slashdot, but IMPEACH BUSH before we have World War 4 (WW4) That shit wasn't in your 100 hour agenda. You SOLD YOUR SOULS, Do your fucking job! PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION!

    Bitches!

  133. Podcasts and copyrighted music? by DCheesi · · Score: 1

    The submitter mentions podcasts specifically as something that would be affected by this new legislation. But don't podcasts already need to license their music for wide distribution? Unlike streaming web-radio applications, podcasts are physically downloaded and retained on the listeners' hard-drives, so distributing a podcast with unauthorized music should be equivalent to distributing an MP3 of the track itself. And I don't believe that fair use applies unless they are actually discussing/critiquing the music clips they are playing. So anyone distributing podcasts with commercial music in the background, who doesn't have a license to freely distribute that music as part of their podcast, is already breaking the law. Am I missing something?

  134. That is the point I make about music. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Any moderately proficient musician (heck, I can do it) can listen to some music and write it down or reproduce it close enough.

    If one day we have very successful DRM (ha!) musicians will do a Mozart as required in order to enjoy the music.

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
    1. Re:That is the point I make about music. by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      "write it down or reproduce it close enough"
      According to the Wiki (last I read it), Mozart's memorized vs. didn't include the fanciest stuff. As it happened, it was the fanciest stuff that the Church was trying to protect. (There is more than one official "Miserere" out there.) This explains why this story didn't end in excommunication.
      The Church's copy protection on that "Miserere" was effective. Only now is the world at large learning what the whole piece sounded like. Only now are we working out an accurate and complete transcription.

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      There is a fine line between recklessness and courage... -- Paul McCartney
  135. DRM my arse! by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    Considering that all of my free download music is released under a "non-commercial with attribution" licence (because this is the only way an unsigned artist can get out to an audience on the net - encourage filesharing) I'm going to have to deny podcasters the right to use my music if this comes into effect. I simply refuse to allow any 3rd party DRM to be used on my free material - frankly, no third party has the right to lock an artist's free music without their permission, not Macroslop (Zune DRM), not podcasters, not even the US government. This is worse than the whole multi-tiered internet shit. They can stick this bill where it doesn't fit!

    --
    "I hope you like Guinness, Sir. I find it a refreshing substitute for, er... food." Col. Jack O'Neil, SG-1
  136. Corruption by bobbuck · · Score: 1

    If that's the case why bother to contribute to "your" guy? Just buy off the winner.

    1. Re:Corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well for one thing, at that point he's already won so he knows he's worth more. Of course, you know he's won too, so I guess it might even out.

      Another point is I'm sure the politicians do everything they can to encourage repeat business, and discourage one time sales. After all they need your money most before they win, not after.

      Besides, other interest may buy him first. If he's already started giving speeches etc. for their cause, you'll probably have to spend a lot to get him to do a 180.