This has to be one of the most moronic things I've heard. SD doesn't control the opinions posted here. Your opinion is yours. Grow up. There seems to be a lot of butt hurt kiddies here. For the adults here that mean sore ass adolescents.
You people haven't taken the time to listen to some of the shit that Gates stated during the depositions regarding the federal anti-trust case. If you had taken the time to listen to them half of you that aren't already would be pro-linux.
Stallman, though unpopular, is right. He is saying don't get trapped into producing products for a closed architecture. He's saying it is just more of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Open and free is the key. And, for goodness sake, there's no need for tomboy to be included in any distro or repository. It doesn't have a crucial role in anything we do in Linux.
And, what's with all this pro Windows 7 shit I keep reading on Slashdot? There's more to the world than Microsoft Windows.
There are a couple historical book on the computer industry one which has a story that gives the founding and initial growth of Sierra, as an example.
The founder at one point decided to hire a bunch of corporate coders and let the creative crews go by the wayside. In the end he got very manageable code but it was completely unappealing to anyone. He almost killed his business taking that tact.
Every job I've had where I was responsible for managing people I have to say that I really frowned on people that memorize. I find it to be a severe failing of themselves and of the educational system.
I ran a shop with 60 plus workers that answered tech phone calls. We did at peak about 40,000 calls a month. What got me the most were those that came in with certification. They wouldn't listen, they wouldn't learn, and they spent a great deal of time memorizing.
The type of worker I wanted, though they were undisciplined, were those that grabbed the computer out of the closet where their parents stored it. Those that took it apart and learned how it worked were far more valuable than those that could memorize tests.
You can always tell someone who prioritizes memorization. You can always teach those that dig and learn that can't memorize well. Those that can't memorize well you can test them by stirring knowledge with additional questions. Memorization simply gives those others good test results, but no real creativity.
1) Limit or eliminate the ability give out the visas.
2) Severely tax companies participating in off-shore hiring or corporate shareholder wealth building.
3) Eliminate all tax relief for any company participating with these companies that off-shore.
Make those countries overseas build their own technology and their own industries. We don't need to increase the wealth of their countries any more than they did for us.
So bogus. The burden is on the challenger. Always. Otherwise we'd be continually proving the obvious. The concept of investigative journalism demonstrates the bogus nature of your proposition. The burden is always on the challenger.
Actually the burden of proof is on you for challenging the claim. You need to come up with evidence that he may be wrong so he can rebut. You challenged, you must prove him wrong.
Spherical is a general term. If he said "a perfect sphere" then you could interject. The earth is egg or potato shaped, but more spherical than either.
The nforce4 chipset provides which version of nvidia's GPU? That's using onboard memory? How did you verify that the module was loaded properly? That is the module that provides accelerated graphics rather than the generic graphics capabilities? Did you run nvidia-settings and verify that an nvidia GPU is present? Is it some other aspect of the nforce4 chipset that you dislike or believe is accounting for the lack of video playback quality?
Which media player are you talking about? Which media players have you tried? You looked at VLC for linux? You taken a look at XBMC, at Boxee, at any of the 20 or so media players available?
Media playback in Linux is top notch. In the past 2 years multimedia playback, including DVD, has not been an issue. If you are complaining about it then you are experiencing an exception. Your one experience doesn't justify saying that the state of media players on linux...
First, I'm going to sort of lay into you. You may not like it but just take it in stride and learn.
Slashdot folks are not fanboys. The only fanboys out there really are windows fanboys. Then there's everyone else. With that said, yes there are linux zealots.
In essence you are attacking every slashdotter because some post was modded down to troll. OK, it was modded down. It doesn't mean everyone modded it down, just one, maybe two, people.
Then you go on and you attack every slashdotter and say they are sucking Linus' cock. Don't you think that's juvenile? It's a serious sign of disrespect. You need to reconsider your position. And if you talk like that here because the post was modded down, then maybe it was modded down correctly.
And, on top of that, I can't figure out what you are complaining about. I don't see any troll mod. But even if someone did mod is as a troll and it was unjustified then you should just take it in stride. Yes, sometimes it is disheartening to see it but it happens as no one is more special than anyone else here that is unjustifiably modded a troll.
The problem isn't with Linux folks. It's with the intolerance that Windows folks have for anything not windows. It is also exacerbated by the fact that there are a huge number of Microsoft astroturfers that visit the sites and mod things to distort the real discussion. I've watched the threads fall out of favor due to some Microsoft shills astroturfing the thread and attacking a poster rather than the inadequacies of the post. If a poster is making a valid point, even if you don't agree, you don't attack them, you state what your objections are to the points in the post.
Sadly, the idea of astroturfing is what kills the usefulness of slashdot, and others. If people would stand up against it then we'd have a better experience and those who gain mod points wouldn't be using them to strike back due to emotional flame ups, they'd be modding trolls as trolls, etc.
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This post is currently modded as Funny, but this should definitely be the strategy of those who care about standards. At least for a while, an attempt to educate the public.
There are reasons the linux industry doesn't want Microsoft's code involved, primarily the "embrace, extend, extinguish" tactic. Also the 235 alleged patent violations and the threat to industry that if they use linux they'll have to pay Microsoft, sometime. Also the fact that the industry doesn't want to be tainted. Many don't even want to look at Microsoft's code and certainly don't want it in the fold.
It's more a matter of self preservation rather than puritanical perspective that keeps Microsoft at a 1000 foot pole's length.
The visual that comes to mind when I think about Google and Microsoft slugging it out is a 550 pound gorilla fucking the shit out of a lemur monkey in the ass. Microsoft is not even remotely close to the size of Google in the search arena. They shouldn't want to get locked in the same cage with Google.
Your example is not Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. It has nothing to do with it. The idea of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish in example is:
Java was developed by Sun as an open standard for programming applets that were OS independent.
Microsoft licensed that technology under the terms that they not modify it to make it platform specific.
Microsoft ignored those terms making their VM extensions specific to Windows. They did this so that developers would develop for their VM/implementation thus failing to support the open standards/platform. This training of Developers Developers Developers to the Microsoft way was the extend portion of that business tactic.
Sun saw this and sued Microsoft. Microsoft was ordered to remove the VM from Windows as it was a violation of the terms of the license. Essentially they embraced Java, then extended it, then attempted to extinguish it but Sun go the upper hand. Then end result was close to a multi-billion dollar judgment against Microsoft.
That's embrace, extend, extinguish. You are talking in terms of proprietary vendor lock in.
You are so clueless when it comes to SMB/CIFS and you have no clue what the pressures were on interoperability and why the EU sued Microsoft over this.
On top of that you don't understand that there is no anti-Microsoft attitude here. There's just Microsoft fanboism and everyone else.
Didn't Bing Cosby mentally and physically torture his step son? My understanding is that his biological children were treated like royalty but the son of his wife was heavily abused by Bing.
You give Microsoft too much credit. They are not a good competitor. They are a monopoly. Monopolies do not compete. Microsoft hasn't competed for a decade. They simply take losses till they gain enough market share then use their monopoly to kill the competition.
Bogus. He didn't tell you he had no traffic before Bing and that the search results with his criteria just hasn't fallen down the list yet, as they will--irrelevant sites will drop to the bottom sooner or later. The cream will float to the top. Right now they haven't use the net to cull the crap from the pool yet. That's why he's even on the radar.
I tried it, yes. It sucks. It adds nothing. It doesn't address what I'm after. It is biased. It is from a company that is willing to loose money to gain some future market share rather than really come up with innovative products. Their history is rife with this attitude. Just look at the XBOX.
Ludicrous, just ludicrous. Is this even a real story? Someone out making shit up again? Mother been telling ya stories again?
This is so far fetched as to make the author liable for defamation against Google and Sergey Brin.
In all honesty maybe those exaggerations regarding professional journalists vs. bloggers has some credibility. Na, this guy is just a turd. They shouldn't have given him a platform to write on.
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Because you don't run Linux...so why are you asking the question?
This has to be one of the most moronic things I've heard. SD doesn't control the opinions posted here. Your opinion is yours. Grow up. There seems to be a lot of butt hurt kiddies here. For the adults here that mean sore ass adolescents.
You people haven't taken the time to listen to some of the shit that Gates stated during the depositions regarding the federal anti-trust case. If you had taken the time to listen to them half of you that aren't already would be pro-linux.
Stallman, though unpopular, is right. He is saying don't get trapped into producing products for a closed architecture. He's saying it is just more of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Open and free is the key. And, for goodness sake, there's no need for tomboy to be included in any distro or repository. It doesn't have a crucial role in anything we do in Linux.
And, what's with all this pro Windows 7 shit I keep reading on Slashdot? There's more to the world than Microsoft Windows.
There are a couple historical book on the computer industry one which has a story that gives the founding and initial growth of Sierra, as an example.
The founder at one point decided to hire a bunch of corporate coders and let the creative crews go by the wayside. In the end he got very manageable code but it was completely unappealing to anyone. He almost killed his business taking that tact.
People should learn from those past examples.
Every job I've had where I was responsible for managing people I have to say that I really frowned on people that memorize. I find it to be a severe failing of themselves and of the educational system.
I ran a shop with 60 plus workers that answered tech phone calls. We did at peak about 40,000 calls a month. What got me the most were those that came in with certification. They wouldn't listen, they wouldn't learn, and they spent a great deal of time memorizing.
The type of worker I wanted, though they were undisciplined, were those that grabbed the computer out of the closet where their parents stored it. Those that took it apart and learned how it worked were far more valuable than those that could memorize tests.
You can always tell someone who prioritizes memorization. You can always teach those that dig and learn that can't memorize well. Those that can't memorize well you can test them by stirring knowledge with additional questions. Memorization simply gives those others good test results, but no real creativity.
Sounds naive, but it is the truth.
1) Limit or eliminate the ability give out the visas.
2) Severely tax companies participating in off-shore hiring or corporate shareholder wealth building.
3) Eliminate all tax relief for any company participating with these companies that off-shore.
Make those countries overseas build their own technology and their own industries. We don't need to increase the wealth of their countries any more than they did for us.
You shouldn't be speaking to me as I have been modded off topic for replying to a post in the thread on this topic.
So bogus. The burden is on the challenger. Always. Otherwise we'd be continually proving the obvious. The concept of investigative journalism demonstrates the bogus nature of your proposition. The burden is always on the challenger.
DRM is an ultimate evil. Period.
Actually the burden of proof is on you for challenging the claim. You need to come up with evidence that he may be wrong so he can rebut. You challenged, you must prove him wrong.
Spherical is a general term. If he said "a perfect sphere" then you could interject. The earth is egg or potato shaped, but more spherical than either.
The nforce4 chipset provides which version of nvidia's GPU? That's using onboard memory? How did you verify that the module was loaded properly? That is the module that provides accelerated graphics rather than the generic graphics capabilities? Did you run nvidia-settings and verify that an nvidia GPU is present? Is it some other aspect of the nforce4 chipset that you dislike or believe is accounting for the lack of video playback quality?
Which media player are you talking about? Which media players have you tried? You looked at VLC for linux? You taken a look at XBMC, at Boxee, at any of the 20 or so media players available?
Media playback in Linux is top notch. In the past 2 years multimedia playback, including DVD, has not been an issue. If you are complaining about it then you are experiencing an exception. Your one experience doesn't justify saying that the state of media players on linux...
First, I'm going to sort of lay into you. You may not like it but just take it in stride and learn.
Slashdot folks are not fanboys. The only fanboys out there really are windows fanboys. Then there's everyone else. With that said, yes there are linux zealots.
In essence you are attacking every slashdotter because some post was modded down to troll. OK, it was modded down. It doesn't mean everyone modded it down, just one, maybe two, people.
Then you go on and you attack every slashdotter and say they are sucking Linus' cock. Don't you think that's juvenile? It's a serious sign of disrespect. You need to reconsider your position. And if you talk like that here because the post was modded down, then maybe it was modded down correctly.
And, on top of that, I can't figure out what you are complaining about. I don't see any troll mod. But even if someone did mod is as a troll and it was unjustified then you should just take it in stride. Yes, sometimes it is disheartening to see it but it happens as no one is more special than anyone else here that is unjustifiably modded a troll.
The problem isn't with Linux folks. It's with the intolerance that Windows folks have for anything not windows. It is also exacerbated by the fact that there are a huge number of Microsoft astroturfers that visit the sites and mod things to distort the real discussion. I've watched the threads fall out of favor due to some Microsoft shills astroturfing the thread and attacking a poster rather than the inadequacies of the post. If a poster is making a valid point, even if you don't agree, you don't attack them, you state what your objections are to the points in the post.
Sadly, the idea of astroturfing is what kills the usefulness of slashdot, and others. If people would stand up against it then we'd have a better experience and those who gain mod points wouldn't be using them to strike back due to emotional flame ups, they'd be modding trolls as trolls, etc.
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This post is currently modded as Funny, but this should definitely be the strategy of those who care about standards. At least for a while, an attempt to educate the public.
Hitler was educating people too.
There are reasons the linux industry doesn't want Microsoft's code involved, primarily the "embrace, extend, extinguish" tactic. Also the 235 alleged patent violations and the threat to industry that if they use linux they'll have to pay Microsoft, sometime. Also the fact that the industry doesn't want to be tainted. Many don't even want to look at Microsoft's code and certainly don't want it in the fold.
It's more a matter of self preservation rather than puritanical perspective that keeps Microsoft at a 1000 foot pole's length.
What the hell is tomboy doing as a dependency in the first place? It's a totally unnecessary package which I have absolutely zero use for.
The visual that comes to mind when I think about Google and Microsoft slugging it out is a 550 pound gorilla fucking the shit out of a lemur monkey in the ass. Microsoft is not even remotely close to the size of Google in the search arena. They shouldn't want to get locked in the same cage with Google.
Your example is not Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. It has nothing to do with it. The idea of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish in example is:
Java was developed by Sun as an open standard for programming applets that were OS independent.
Microsoft licensed that technology under the terms that they not modify it to make it platform specific.
Microsoft ignored those terms making their VM extensions specific to Windows. They did this so that developers would develop for their VM/implementation thus failing to support the open standards/platform. This training of Developers Developers Developers to the Microsoft way was the extend portion of that business tactic.
Sun saw this and sued Microsoft. Microsoft was ordered to remove the VM from Windows as it was a violation of the terms of the license. Essentially they embraced Java, then extended it, then attempted to extinguish it but Sun go the upper hand. Then end result was close to a multi-billion dollar judgment against Microsoft.
That's embrace, extend, extinguish. You are talking in terms of proprietary vendor lock in.
You are so clueless when it comes to SMB/CIFS and you have no clue what the pressures were on interoperability and why the EU sued Microsoft over this.
On top of that you don't understand that there is no anti-Microsoft attitude here. There's just Microsoft fanboism and everyone else.
NO, embrace, extend, extinguish has nothing to do with this.
Embrace, extend, extinguish is what they did with browser technology, with java technology, with Open GL, etc.
They would, say in the case of Java do this:
1) sign license
2) create virtual machine for windows
3) alter the java VM to add the ability to do some new and different things in Windows that you can't do in other OSes, such as Linux or Unix,etc.
4) after the momentum is enough then declare Java (as Sun designed it) dead and that everyone should be using Microsoft's technologies.
5) discontinue it because it potentially has the ability to undo the actual OS market.
That's what happened. That's embrace, extend, extinguish.
I'm sorry, but when I hear, think, speak the word "bing" I can't help but laugh at the idea of it becoming a verb. It will NEVER be a Google.
Didn't Bing Cosby mentally and physically torture his step son? My understanding is that his biological children were treated like royalty but the son of his wife was heavily abused by Bing.
You give Microsoft too much credit. They are not a good competitor. They are a monopoly. Monopolies do not compete. Microsoft hasn't competed for a decade. They simply take losses till they gain enough market share then use their monopoly to kill the competition.
Bogus. He didn't tell you he had no traffic before Bing and that the search results with his criteria just hasn't fallen down the list yet, as they will--irrelevant sites will drop to the bottom sooner or later. The cream will float to the top. Right now they haven't use the net to cull the crap from the pool yet. That's why he's even on the radar.
I tried it, yes. It sucks. It adds nothing. It doesn't address what I'm after. It is biased. It is from a company that is willing to loose money to gain some future market share rather than really come up with innovative products. Their history is rife with this attitude. Just look at the XBOX.
Ludicrous, just ludicrous. Is this even a real story? Someone out making shit up again? Mother been telling ya stories again?
This is so far fetched as to make the author liable for defamation against Google and Sergey Brin.
In all honesty maybe those exaggerations regarding professional journalists vs. bloggers has some credibility. Na, this guy is just a turd. They shouldn't have given him a platform to write on.
Bing is a non-product. Just move along.