Where exactly in the Iwata Asks article does it say it runs on a proprietery version of the Linux kernel?
Infact where does it mention the Wii runs Linux on it at all?
I think I found the story, thanks google. And it says that its a rumor from one of the designers who said:
"Wii will have Linux as operating system with proprietary GUI and applications based on commonly open source for Linux programs."
Since when did "GUI applications" count as in the kernel?
but the final system in closed and will allow only signed code etc and will be very secure, even though it's technically compatible with a world of already existing software
I bet Nintendo are thanking their lucky stars that GPLv3 isn't out and that Linus Torvalds prefers v2 anyway, isn't there going to be something in it about locking out modified versions?
There site doesn't seem to give me the source code to the scanner, just keeps asking me if I want a free trial?
How can anyone be sure of how reliable the study is without reading the program that the entire article is based on, if the security scanner is flawed then the article i pointless.
Would you believe someone who told you he had built a device which could measure something that noone new existed, but refused to allow you to see his device, I sure wouldn't.
As many people have said, the scanner can not detect ALL faults.
The question is How was it taught to find faults (maybe taught is a bad word, maybe it should be 'designed').
If it looks for common programming errors how did they determine what was a common programming error? Asking programmers is a risk, do they always know when they've made a mistake? The only real way is to look at code where a bug has been found. Proprietery software won't let you do this, Open Source will.
If they built thhe system based on common mistakes in Open Source systems, then tey are more likly to detect mistakes in Open Source code, as open source and proprietry code development techniques differ but may produce differant kinds of bugs.
Anyone want to start a pool about when this begins here in the U.S.?
How are you going to tell when it happens? If they leave enough varied sites on the web people may not notice the extrme ones that they are filtering.
Yes if tommorrow the removed/. from existance I would notice (sooner or later), if however they modified all/. pages and removed certian articles, how would I know? Unless of course I viewed the page from outside the filter (or routed the request securely via a machine outside the filter (see VPN or tor)).
How do I know its not been filtered since I started using the internet. There may be a similar more radical/. focused on religion, If I had never known of its existance how would I notice that its disappeared?
To detect filtering you would need to make a request from multipule locations, and not just 2, if the whole of Europe where secretly filtering content then making my requests from the UK, Germany and France would yield the same results.
Of course one could look for inconsitancies on the web, i.e. one site you can access points to a site you can't.
How many times have you found a broken link? Its probably not censorship but you never know.
If your secretly filtering something your not going to stick up a webpage in its place with "Sorry you can't view this page, we are secretly filtering it (please don't tell anyone)", much better to use a 404, make the person think the page has been removed instead (and yes I know a removed page is supposed to be 410 thank you very much!)
Of course I am not saying that my Government is conducting these actions, just speculating how it could happen without my knowledge.
This may sound like a conspiricy theory, however it is theoretically possible and while I do not currently believe it is happenin I may be wrong.
On a related note, perhaps someone with knowledge of China could tell me how many of its internet using population know they are being filtered?
Ah but this way it can defend itself against unkown/undiscovered bugs. If it monitors memory usage and takes action for ANY memory leak problems then it doesn't matter where it is. Of course it should be tracked down and fixed but this is a pretty good short term fix till the memory leak is patched. Altough its not fixing the problem (the intial memory leak) it is reducing the impact of the problem.
The ideal solution would be not to have any memory leaks in the code to start with. But if you can manage to write all your programs then you should probably stop writing "hello world" programs in 100 differant languages and write a real application;)
Of course there are going to be bugs, but we need to reduce how damaging they are. I wonder if it logs these problems so it can be report to developers? But then you would have to have debugging compilled in which production machines often don't have.
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Where exactly in the Iwata Asks article does it say it runs on a proprietery version of the Linux kernel?
Infact where does it mention the Wii runs Linux on it at all?
I think I found the story, thanks google. And it says that its a rumor from one of the designers who said:
Since when did "GUI applications" count as in the kernel?
Story found on:
http://wii.qj.net/Wii-Will-Use-Linux-as-Operating
Another quote direct from the so called "insider" I bet Nintendo are thanking their lucky stars that GPLv3 isn't out and that Linus Torvalds prefers v2 anyway, isn't there going to be something in it about locking out modified versions?
I am skeptical about this guy, but make up your own mind,
Orriginal blog post about Nintendo Wii having Linux on it: http://saruwatari-wii.blogspot.com/2006/07/softwa
If anyon can find a quote about a proprietery kernel please post a reply,
There site doesn't seem to give me the source code to the scanner, just keeps asking me if I want a free trial?
How can anyone be sure of how reliable the study is without reading the program that the entire article is based on, if the security scanner is flawed then the article i pointless.
Would you believe someone who told you he had built a device which could measure something that noone new existed, but refused to allow you to see his device, I sure wouldn't.
As many people have said, the scanner can not detect ALL faults.
The question is How was it taught to find faults (maybe taught is a bad word, maybe it should be 'designed').
If it looks for common programming errors how did they determine what was a common programming error?
Asking programmers is a risk, do they always know when they've made a mistake?
The only real way is to look at code where a bug has been found. Proprietery software won't let you do this, Open Source will.
If they built thhe system based on common mistakes in Open Source systems, then tey are more likly to detect mistakes in Open Source code, as open source and proprietry code development techniques differ but may produce differant kinds of bugs.
Anyone want to start a pool about when this begins here in the U.S.?
/. from existance I would notice (sooner or later), if however they modified all /. pages and removed certian articles, how would I know? Unless of course I viewed the page from outside the filter (or routed the request securely via a machine outside the filter (see VPN or tor)).
/. focused on religion, If I had never known of its existance how would I notice that its disappeared?
How are you going to tell when it happens? If they leave enough varied sites on the web people may not notice the extrme ones that they are filtering.
Yes if tommorrow the removed
How do I know its not been filtered since I started using the internet. There may be a similar more radical
To detect filtering you would need to make a request from multipule locations, and not just 2, if the whole of Europe where secretly filtering content then making my requests from the UK, Germany and France would yield the same results.
Of course one could look for inconsitancies on the web, i.e. one site you can access points to a site you can't.
How many times have you found a broken link? Its probably not censorship but you never know.
If your secretly filtering something your not going to stick up a webpage in its place with "Sorry you can't view this page, we are secretly filtering it (please don't tell anyone)", much better to use a 404, make the person think the page has been removed instead (and yes I know a removed page is supposed to be 410 thank you very much!)
Of course I am not saying that my Government is conducting these actions, just speculating how it could happen without my knowledge.
This may sound like a conspiricy theory, however it is theoretically possible and while I do not currently believe it is happenin I may be wrong.
On a related note, perhaps someone with knowledge of China could tell me how many of its internet using population know they are being filtered?
Ah but this way it can defend itself against unkown/undiscovered bugs. If it monitors memory usage and takes action for ANY memory leak problems then it doesn't matter where it is. Of course it should be tracked down and fixed but this is a pretty good short term fix till the memory leak is patched. Altough its not fixing the problem (the intial memory leak) it is reducing the impact of the problem.
;)
The ideal solution would be not to have any memory leaks in the code to start with. But if you can manage to write all your programs then you should probably stop writing "hello world" programs in 100 differant languages and write a real application
Of course there are going to be bugs, but we need to reduce how damaging they are. I wonder if it logs these problems so it can be report to developers? But then you would have to have debugging compilled in which production machines often don't have.
There could be a silver lining to this patent. If its patented it will make it harder to censor things so could be helpful to free speech.