If Apple didn't gather massive amounts of information about their suckers - I mean, "customers" - they wouldn't need to worry about encryption and they wouldn't need to worry about safe-guarding the information.
Oh, please! I assume by your Apple-Bashing that you are a Fandroid?
NO one using Google's OS has ANY right to trash talk ANYONE about Data-Mining and "gathering", PERIOD.
blows up someone he knows and the bomber has this great phone. Then we shall see just how great he thinks it all is.
You do realize (who am I kidding? Of course you don't!) that that type of "hypothetical scenario" is an illegal debate tactic. "What if it was YOUR child?"
There's no in-between; you either support security you you support insecurity. If you're not for encryption, you're for public revelations of all personal data.
Read the fucking article, deluded fanboi. It stated that all phones were put through a full charge/discharge cycle prior to the test. If your phone has half the battery capacity of everything else but its specs are on a similar level its going to do really shit in battery tests no matter how much optimisation you do.
Read my fucking post, deluded Hater.
I stated that SEVERAL full charge/discharge cycles are needed for a secondary battery to come to full capacity.
Also, something I forgot about in my original post, is that iOS is notorious for having shit battery life upon a new major-revision release. Don't know why; but they seem to do their performance-tweaking during the first minor rev. or two. Not saying that is definitely the case here; but if history is any guide, there are examples aplenty of that happening with iOS during most "major revision-number" changes.
I've found Consumer Reports over the years has immense amounts of reviewer bias. Rather petty some times.
Not only that; but they sometimes focus on the weirdest things to like/dislike about a particular product.
And how! While I look at them from time to time, and give some veracity to when they find explodey things, it's those way off base likes and dislikes that do their reviews in. Some of the things they've marked things down for make me laugh.
You do realize that that's a UNIX-based OS you're dissing, right?
I don't understand your argument. I've seen people here diss Debian, Slackware, OS X, Ubuntu, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and even Solaris. Why would iOS get a special exception when others didn't?
But curiously enough, never, ever, EVER Linux (not that it is a UNIX-based OS; but it plays one on TV).
I retract my previous post. Too early... (facepalm)
You pooh-pooh the idea that there was possibly reviewer bias in this case; yet when Ars Technica came to a much different conclusion regarding battery life, they were quickly denounced as being "well-known Apple fanbois" (the standard comeback from the Apple Haters).
And isn't it fascinating that the company that has always maintained that they are a hardware-focused company has the hands-down best OSes across the board?
If it were true, it would no doubt be fascinating.
But it IS true. Sorry if you're butthurt about that.
You do realize that that's a UNIX-based OS you're dissing, right?
I don't understand your argument. I've seen people here diss Debian, Slackware, OS X, Ubuntu, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and even Solaris. Why would iOS get a special exception when others didn't?
But curiously enough, never, ever, EVER Linux (not that it is a UNIX-based OS; but it plays one on TV).
They're more than a patent troll: they're the intelligence community's patent troll. It was founded by SAIC people, and its patents are for things that the government would not like citizens or companies to have, like direct-connect encrypted chats that make it harder to log and listen in. VirnetX is basically a CIA/NSA/GHCQ/etc front company that uses patents to keep good, safe communications out of the hands of ordinary people.
Look at who they sue. Apple, Microsoft, Cisco. VirnetX is using patents to keep major players from providing good, easy-to-use communications solutions that would be hard for the government to tap and break.
While this doesn't really excuse Apple, I greatly suspect the culprit is iOS 10, not the iPhone 7. I've been running the beta for months, and usually the battery life starts to even out and get better at some point, and I never saw that shift. So on my iPhone 6, which used to get 10-12 hours of *usage* time (not standby), I can watch the battery tick down in real time. I've even watched the battery drain while it was PLUGGED IN on the final release.
My evidence is anecdotal, but I'm starting to get friends asking me if battery life is worse with iOS 10, and I've had to say that it is. There's something weird going on. It's still on Apple to fix it, but it's a lot easier to fix a busted background process than ship a new battery out.
Well, it does seem that the first version of a major iOS update DOES trash battery life. Then there comes an update to address the issue, and everyone is happy again. That could EASILY account for the test results.
Well, you also need to consider pixels being pushed, too. The other phones have nearly 4 times the number of pixels as the iPhone 7. Meaning on those web tests, they're moving a ton more data, running the GPUs a lot harder. That right there shows they are more than equal in terms of efficiency... But I guess if you're happy with a 720p display (versus >full HD resolution), then that's not an issue!
But as I have already pointed out to you, the Samsung is significantly SLOWER than the iPhone 7, which you attributed to its additional pixels. But you can't have it both ways; either the Samsung (at least) is pushing its GPU a lot harder, in which case your argument about it getting trounced in the speed test due to additional pixels falls apart, OR it is NOT pushing it's GPU harder, in which case your assertion here that it is pushing its GPU harder falls apart. Can't have it both ways...
I suspect that actual phone calling is a small fraction of the usage of modern smart phones.
Personally I make phone calls on mine for maybe 10s of minutes a week, on average. The rest of the time is spent with web browsing, emailing and other data-consuming tasks.
The modern consumer, IOW. It's so odd, in this day and age, where we can have huge screens, fat ethernet, and really fast computing devices, and so many of us choose to use the lowest common denominator device. Browsing on a Smartphone reminds me of browsing with a Raspberry Pi. Kinda works, kinda sucks.
Exactly. I figure those people are simply too poor or brain damaged to have/want decent screen size. If I'm using my phone for browsing or email, it is only because it is the only device available at the moment. I have computers and an iPad if I want to do those things with ease and comfort.
I think you are missing the anecdotal story's point. Even your post proves it. People love the operating system and will suffer hardware aneurysms just to get to that coveted OS. iPhone SE for you or the latest model iPhone 8 (in OP's story) to fix the problems but give you the OS. You suffer through a lack of features on your air to continue using OSX. OP and others don't want to switch to the Samsung or HTC lineup because HTC/Android is not as unified as iOS. You don't want to switch to Mint or Windows because they are not as polished as OS X.
I have even dumped my favorite KDE based distro because it just lacks the refinement that every closed-source desktop has provided.
And isn't it fascinating that the company that has always maintained that they are a hardware-focused company has the hands-down best OSes across the board?
What planet do you live on?
I for one, DEMAND a large battery, because I don't like being a "wall wart" trying to find some place to charge my phone, just to make it
through the day.
Something tells me a road rage incident is in your future. The color of someone's car will push you over the edge.
I think there are two possible factors that may not have been taken into account:
1. Was the testing accidently (or deliberately) designed to NOT allow the iPhone 7 to take advantage of the A10's two low-power cores?
2. Was the iPhone brand new, or had the battery been properly conditioned (around 5 FULL charge-discharge cycles) before testing. It is common knowledge that Secondary batteries, even Li-ion/Li-Po batteries, don't reach their full capacity until they are run down and recharged fully several times. Since the iPhone was the newest of the group, it is a relevant question.
Considering Apple blatantly stole the iPhone design from LG, yes it was frivolous.
Really? If you're talking about the LG Prada, Ars Technica sure doesn't think so.
And again, it takes a severe case of Willful Blindness to NOT come to the conclusion that Samsung's product was far and away into the territory of "causing consumer confusion" between the two products; considering that, from 10 feet away, they are pretty much indistinguishable.
Face it: Apple was completely in the right to sue the pants off of Samsung for their nearly perfect copy of the iPhone (until you picked up the Samsung and compared its performance (or indeed, ANY Android phone's) with that of the iPhone, that is), and Samsung would have (and did) do the same to Apple.
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Is anyone suggesting for example, that voting machines should be backdoored?
LOLWUT? You honestly think they're NOT?!?
I suspect that liability is one of Apple's motivations. They don't want to be responsible for being the custodian of all of their customers' data.
Apple has a long history or being rather anti-establishment/anti-government. Do some reading.
You know what's even greater than encryption?
Not collecting personal data in the first place.
If Apple didn't gather massive amounts of information about their suckers - I mean, "customers" - they wouldn't need to worry about encryption and they wouldn't need to worry about safe-guarding the information.
Oh, please! I assume by your Apple-Bashing that you are a Fandroid?
NO one using Google's OS has ANY right to trash talk ANYONE about Data-Mining and "gathering", PERIOD.
blows up someone he knows and the bomber has this great phone. Then we shall see just how great he thinks it all is.
You do realize (who am I kidding? Of course you don't!) that that type of "hypothetical scenario" is an illegal debate tactic. "What if it was YOUR child?"
There's no in-between; you either support security you you support insecurity. If you're not for encryption, you're for public revelations of all personal data.
Truer words hath never been spake.
true! illicit behavior like logging in to my toddler's Disney Junior account, or transferring money between my bank account and the electric company.
but of course that's what you are doing, no, you are not downloading child pornography and you are not stealing money
I REALLY hope you are teasing; otherwise, you need some help.
Prove it.
Read the fucking article, deluded fanboi. It stated that all phones were put through a full charge/discharge cycle prior to the test. If your phone has half the battery capacity of everything else but its specs are on a similar level its going to do really shit in battery tests no matter how much optimisation you do.
Read my fucking post, deluded Hater.
I stated that SEVERAL full charge/discharge cycles are needed for a secondary battery to come to full capacity.
Also, something I forgot about in my original post, is that iOS is notorious for having shit battery life upon a new major-revision release. Don't know why; but they seem to do their performance-tweaking during the first minor rev. or two. Not saying that is definitely the case here; but if history is any guide, there are examples aplenty of that happening with iOS during most "major revision-number" changes.
Ummm so? apple took something good and made something bad out of it. Like many of their acquisitions.
Really? Just because you don't personally like something, doesn't make it "bad".
And if iOS is so bad, why did Android jump on it like a tick on a dog when it first debuted?
Remember Android before and after the first version of the "iPhone OS"? This article lays it all out for you.
Were they holding it wrong too?
No. But thank you for providing the sort of insightful, fact-filled rebuttal I've come to expect from Apple Haters.
It. Was. A. Joke.
Sorry. Hard to tell around here...
May I suggest a [sarcasm] tag next time, LOL!?!?
I've found Consumer Reports over the years has immense amounts of reviewer bias. Rather petty some times.
Not only that; but they sometimes focus on the weirdest things to like/dislike about a particular product.
And how! While I look at them from time to time, and give some veracity to when they find explodey things, it's those way off base likes and dislikes that do their reviews in. Some of the things they've marked things down for make me laugh.
Yup. Me too...
I don't understand your argument. I've seen people here diss Debian, Slackware, OS X, Ubuntu, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and even Solaris. Why would iOS get a special exception when others didn't?
But curiously enough, never, ever, EVER Linux (not that it is a UNIX-based OS; but it plays one on TV).
I retract my previous post. Too early... (facepalm)
Shh yes its a giant conspiracy. Its ok. Hush now.
No, not a giant conspiracy; just a teeny one.
You pooh-pooh the idea that there was possibly reviewer bias in this case; yet when Ars Technica came to a much different conclusion regarding battery life, they were quickly denounced as being "well-known Apple fanbois" (the standard comeback from the Apple Haters).
Can't have it both ways.
And isn't it fascinating that the company that has always maintained that they are a hardware-focused company has the hands-down best OSes across the board?
If it were true, it would no doubt be fascinating.
But it IS true. Sorry if you're butthurt about that.
I don't understand your argument. I've seen people here diss Debian, Slackware, OS X, Ubuntu, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and even Solaris. Why would iOS get a special exception when others didn't?
But curiously enough, never, ever, EVER Linux (not that it is a UNIX-based OS; but it plays one on TV).
I've found Consumer Reports over the years has immense amounts of reviewer bias. Rather petty some times.
Not only that; but they sometimes focus on the weirdest things to like/dislike about a particular product.
1. No, the testing wasn't designed to avoid the two low-power cores. It was designed to mimic real life. Unfortunately the iPhone wasn't.
2. It was the same condition as all other phones.
Prove it.
Were they holding it wrong too?
No. But thank you for providing the sort of insightful, fact-filled rebuttal I've come to expect from Apple Haters.
what are you on? ios is a joke of an OS
You do realize that that's a UNIX-based OS you're dissing, right?
They're more than a patent troll: they're the intelligence community's patent troll. It was founded by SAIC people, and its patents are for things that the government would not like citizens or companies to have, like direct-connect encrypted chats that make it harder to log and listen in. VirnetX is basically a CIA/NSA/GHCQ/etc front company that uses patents to keep good, safe communications out of the hands of ordinary people.
Look at who they sue. Apple, Microsoft, Cisco. VirnetX is using patents to keep major players from providing good, easy-to-use communications solutions that would be hard for the government to tap and break.
Well, that explains how they won the retrial.
While this doesn't really excuse Apple, I greatly suspect the culprit is iOS 10, not the iPhone 7. I've been running the beta for months, and usually the battery life starts to even out and get better at some point, and I never saw that shift. So on my iPhone 6, which used to get 10-12 hours of *usage* time (not standby), I can watch the battery tick down in real time. I've even watched the battery drain while it was PLUGGED IN on the final release.
My evidence is anecdotal, but I'm starting to get friends asking me if battery life is worse with iOS 10, and I've had to say that it is. There's something weird going on. It's still on Apple to fix it, but it's a lot easier to fix a busted background process than ship a new battery out.
Well, it does seem that the first version of a major iOS update DOES trash battery life. Then there comes an update to address the issue, and everyone is happy again. That could EASILY account for the test results.
Well, you also need to consider pixels being pushed, too. The other phones have nearly 4 times the number of pixels as the iPhone 7. Meaning on those web tests, they're moving a ton more data, running the GPUs a lot harder. That right there shows they are more than equal in terms of efficiency... But I guess if you're happy with a 720p display (versus >full HD resolution), then that's not an issue!
But as I have already pointed out to you, the Samsung is significantly SLOWER than the iPhone 7, which you attributed to its additional pixels. But you can't have it both ways; either the Samsung (at least) is pushing its GPU a lot harder, in which case your argument about it getting trounced in the speed test due to additional pixels falls apart, OR it is NOT pushing it's GPU harder, in which case your assertion here that it is pushing its GPU harder falls apart. Can't have it both ways...
I suspect that actual phone calling is a small fraction of the usage of modern smart phones.
Personally I make phone calls on mine for maybe 10s of minutes a week, on average. The rest of the time is spent with web browsing, emailing and other data-consuming tasks.
The modern consumer, IOW. It's so odd, in this day and age, where we can have huge screens, fat ethernet, and really fast computing devices, and so many of us choose to use the lowest common denominator device. Browsing on a Smartphone reminds me of browsing with a Raspberry Pi. Kinda works, kinda sucks.
Exactly. I figure those people are simply too poor or brain damaged to have/want decent screen size. If I'm using my phone for browsing or email, it is only because it is the only device available at the moment. I have computers and an iPad if I want to do those things with ease and comfort.
I think you are missing the anecdotal story's point. Even your post proves it. People love the operating system and will suffer hardware aneurysms just to get to that coveted OS. iPhone SE for you or the latest model iPhone 8 (in OP's story) to fix the problems but give you the OS. You suffer through a lack of features on your air to continue using OSX. OP and others don't want to switch to the Samsung or HTC lineup because HTC/Android is not as unified as iOS. You don't want to switch to Mint or Windows because they are not as polished as OS X.
I have even dumped my favorite KDE based distro because it just lacks the refinement that every closed-source desktop has provided.
And isn't it fascinating that the company that has always maintained that they are a hardware-focused company has the hands-down best OSes across the board?
What planet do you live on? I for one, DEMAND a large battery, because I don't like being a "wall wart" trying to find some place to charge my phone, just to make it through the day.
Something tells me a road rage incident is in your future. The color of someone's car will push you over the edge.
I think there are two possible factors that may not have been taken into account:
1. Was the testing accidently (or deliberately) designed to NOT allow the iPhone 7 to take advantage of the A10's two low-power cores?
2. Was the iPhone brand new, or had the battery been properly conditioned (around 5 FULL charge-discharge cycles) before testing. It is common knowledge that Secondary batteries, even Li-ion/Li-Po batteries, don't reach their full capacity until they are run down and recharged fully several times. Since the iPhone was the newest of the group, it is a relevant question.
Considering Apple blatantly stole the iPhone design from LG, yes it was frivolous.
Really? If you're talking about the LG Prada, Ars Technica sure doesn't think so.
And again, it takes a severe case of Willful Blindness to NOT come to the conclusion that Samsung's product was far and away into the territory of "causing consumer confusion" between the two products; considering that, from 10 feet away, they are pretty much indistinguishable.
Face it: Apple was completely in the right to sue the pants off of Samsung for their nearly perfect copy of the iPhone (until you picked up the Samsung and compared its performance (or indeed, ANY Android phone's) with that of the iPhone, that is), and Samsung would have (and did) do the same to Apple.