Here's another thing people don't stop to think about: In a "multitasking" OS (which the iPhone/iPad OS already is!), or more specifically, when "applications" are allowed to "multitask", such as in the desktop version of OS X, I cannot tell you how many times I have looked at the Dock on people's Macs, only to see virtually EVERY application up and running (but with no open windows). An amusing "cluck-cluck" moment in a desktop OS, but, running on extremely low-end (by today's desktop standards) hardware (like a phone), this "app cruft" would probably slow the response of the UI to an unusable crawl (does the iPhone OS even HAVE "virtual memory"?).
GAWD! Replying to an AC that is replying to an AC. What am I thinking?
But here goes...
I don't think anyone in their right mind, Apple fan or not, would have said that, given the choice, that "multitasking" (of 3rd party apps) would inherently be a "bad" thing.
There is a big difference between UNDERSTANDING usability trade-offs (battery life vs. "multitasking"), and PREFERRING them.
I would imagine that this is being offered primarily because the iPad has a much larger battery capacity than the iPhone/iPod Touch, and thus Apple can feel confident that the battery life will not be as adversely affected by "multitasking" on the iPad than the iPhone/iPod Touch.
Judging from the anti-Apple hatred that is spewed here, it wouldn't surprise me if Slashdot didn't want to be associated with that specific 25% of the smartphone market.
I wonder how their corporate overlords would feel about the lost readership/lost ad revenue...
I don't like the way this reads. Apple does need to exert some control over their device in order to preserve their branding, but IMHO some of the draconian shit in here goes way to far.
Do you even READ the gazillion EULAs you "sign" every year?
This is simply lawyer-speak. Pay it no mind.
If the iPhone dev. agreement was too draconian, do you really think there would be well over 100k apps in the App Store? Is every developer stupid (but you)?
Illegal immigrants do not take away high-pay jobs, and those actual high pay jobs are routinely shipped off to India and alike anyway. Those immigrants are greasing the wheels of the economy, doing jobs that nobody else wants to do.
Right.
Because, until the massive influx of ILLEGAL immigrants in the U.S., toilets everywhere went unscrubbed, burgers went unflipped, no construction happened, lawns went unmowed, assembly-lines were silent...
Keep on keepin' on regurgitating the "They only take the jobs nobody else wants" line.
I have a good friend that is a ceramic-tile-setter. That is NOT a "Job nobody else wants." At 48 years old, his career (making about $20-30 an hour) is OVER; simply because he simply cannot support his family on the wages that an entire crew of ILLEGAL immigrants (who sleep THREE FAMILIES to a house) can be hired for.
Sorry, the onslaught of ILLEGAL immigrants (in the U.S., mostly Mexicans) has ruined the U.S. economy. You see, it's a "trickle-UP" effect.
If the user wants a graphical alternative that works like the iPhone (or Eclair on the Droid, or whatever), he simply copies the relevant jarfile to his phone, and edits the config file so that at startup, it instantiates a KeyguardFactory object from the jarfile, then uses it to create an IKeyguardHandler-implementing object that gets registered with the OS.
Seriously, is this some kind of JOKE?!?
THIS is exactly why/.ers just don't get Apple products.
Do you REALLY think that more than 1 in 100,000 "users" could accomplish the tasks listed above?
Are there actually any Netbooks that can serve as Hackintoshes?
Serious question. Because, unless it can run OS X, I ain't interested. That doesn't make me a "fanboy", just someone with better things to do (at this point in my life) than dink with my computer incessantly. I just want to USE the thing, and OS X comes the closest to that goal, even though W7 SEEMS to be (finally!) getting there, too.
Really? I wasn't that impressed with the video quality (too many compression artifacts) with the one I saw in the Apple Store many months ago, and I LOVE Apple products (as evidenced by my username);-)
on a real computer you don't need an additional app to just play and manipulate sound bites.
Um, fucktard...
If you'd bother to even GLANCE at the specs for the iPad itself, you'd see you have just embarassed yourself.
But since you OBVIOUSLY need to be spoon-fed, here ya go, idiot:
Under the heading "Audio Formats Supported": AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4), Apple Lossless, AIFF, and WAV
So obviously, you're talking out your ass, since iPad would be able to play those MP3 or WAV fart-sounds natively, without needing "an ADDITIONAL app". Or, in other words, you are but (or is that butt) farting. Might want to actually READ before posting next time, otherwise you look like you do right now; in other words, an IDIOT.
But who needs facts when ya got misplaced F/OSS hubris?
BTW, Package Manager? How quaint. Apple's had installer "packages" using the self-mounting SMIL (.smi) "disk image" format, since Linus was in high school (with support built into the OS directly since MacOS 9.0 (IIRC)), and all versions of OS X have true "package management" built directly into the OS. So, do you seriously think that they just couldn't conceive of such an "advanced" concept?
Now go upstairs. Your Mom is calling you to dinner.
But do HER a favor (if you can get your head out of your ass for that long), let HER watch the iPad Keynote (WITHOUT YOUR COMMENTING ON IT), then ask HER whether she'd rather run Ubuntu on a general-purpose computer (which YOU have "locked down"), or an iPad. For fuck's sake, at least on an iPad, SHE wouldn't have to ask YOU to "install applications". She would be able to take care of that stuff all by herself (what a concept!)
But I would be willing to be that you (oh, grand and glorious Oz!) will never let HER make that decision.
You fucktards are really beginning to annoy me. For supposedly "intelligent" humans, you all have about as much collective "insight" as a cockroach. And are just as interesting and rewarding to converse with.
Yeah. People love these sort of things! That's why WebTV is still so popular... oh wait.
Even my grandparents have moved on from "web appliances." I find it interesting that Apple has somehow managed to convince a number of people that it is a new idea, let alone theirs.
That's because EVERY "web appliance" that has existed prior to iPad has had severe usability issues.
Check back in six months, when Apple's stock splits (again) after reaching $400 a share.
Well I wasn't aware we were talking about children, I thought we were talking about adults. And yes, in this age it would be very hard to find an adult in the developed world who's never used a computer before, even in retirement homes. You're confusing ignorance (a novice) with stupidity (someone who can't check email without breaking the computer).
And you're confusing ignorance AND stupidity with "desire" (or lack thereof).
Just because someone doesn't WANT to be bothered with understanding the intricacies (and there are indeed intricacies!) of what should by now be utterly transparent to the user (and which the iPad will do a fine job of achieving that "transparency"), makes them neither stupid nor ignorant. It makes them "uninterested" in learning something upon which they place little value.
And by the way, it is not at ALL difficult to find people "in the developed world", even relatively young (middle-aged) ones, who have either never used a computer, or have had such a passing encounter with one (like using one at a library to find a book title), that they simply don't "count" as "computer users".
Get a frakkin' grip, you myopic bastard. The world, by and large, does not REALLY understand computers, and never will. Doesn't make them stupid, overall.
As an embedded developer, I might say that anyone who cannot design a motherboard or peripheral card from scratch has no business using a computer. Afterall, could you honestly say you really "understand" 1/100th of the "engineered" products you use everyday? Could you design your TV? Your car? Your Microwave oven? If not, by your own standards, it is shocking, and you shouldn't be allowed to even use such things.
Fortunately for the rest of us, Jobs & company is not so shortsighted as you, and so we'll be happily flipping pages and writing books (notice I said WRITING) on our iPads in our recliners, while you spend all day hunched over your desk, reconfiguring your router (yet again)...
The plus side of this as opposed to a Mac is that this desktop is a P4 with 512MB of RAM
You REALLY list this as a "plus side" relative to any Mac sold for the past DECADE?
For fuck's sake, the Apple TV and the iPhone/iPod Touch have more compute power than that POS.
and was free.
Speaking of which, you do realize that the ONLY reason your Mom puts up with your worse-than-worthless "computer consulting" is that it is free, too...
Treat your Mom to an iPad, and maybe, just maybe, when you see the SMILE on her face, rather than that grimace you're used to seeing when she fights with that relic you've foisted on her, you'll begin to "get" the genius hardware and software engineering that went into iPad's development.
But, since you're obviously living in her basement (for free), I doubt you will understand the difference between "cost" and "value".
I would think that if you aren't capable of doing those 3 things, you should consider hiring somebody to help you do those things or take the time to learn how to do those things.
Spoken like a true MCSE (which everybody knows stands for "Must Consult Someone Experienced")
You are so clueless as to be a danger to yourself and those around you.
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Here's another thing people don't stop to think about: In a "multitasking" OS (which the iPhone/iPad OS already is!), or more specifically, when "applications" are allowed to "multitask", such as in the desktop version of OS X, I cannot tell you how many times I have looked at the Dock on people's Macs, only to see virtually EVERY application up and running (but with no open windows). An amusing "cluck-cluck" moment in a desktop OS, but, running on extremely low-end (by today's desktop standards) hardware (like a phone), this "app cruft" would probably slow the response of the UI to an unusable crawl (does the iPhone OS even HAVE "virtual memory"?).
GAWD! Replying to an AC that is replying to an AC. What am I thinking?
But here goes...
I don't think anyone in their right mind, Apple fan or not, would have said that, given the choice, that "multitasking" (of 3rd party apps) would inherently be a "bad" thing.
There is a big difference between UNDERSTANDING usability trade-offs (battery life vs. "multitasking"), and PREFERRING them.
I would imagine that this is being offered primarily because the iPad has a much larger battery capacity than the iPhone/iPod Touch, and thus Apple can feel confident that the battery life will not be as adversely affected by "multitasking" on the iPad than the iPhone/iPod Touch.
I just find it odd that the iPhone which represents something like 25% of the smartphone market hasn't conformed to html standards with its browser.
Citation, please?
I would assume that Mobile Safari (like it's desktop brother) is based on WebKit, which is 100% ACID3 compliant.
So, what were you saying, again?
Judging from the anti-Apple hatred that is spewed here, it wouldn't surprise me if Slashdot didn't want to be associated with that specific 25% of the smartphone market.
I wonder how their corporate overlords would feel about the lost readership/lost ad revenue...
I see Google trying to leverage this for Android App sales.
It will be "voluntary". For a while...
I don't like the way this reads. Apple does need to exert some control over their device in order to preserve their branding, but IMHO some of the draconian shit in here goes way to far.
Do you even READ the gazillion EULAs you "sign" every year?
This is simply lawyer-speak. Pay it no mind.
If the iPhone dev. agreement was too draconian, do you really think there would be well over 100k apps in the App Store? Is every developer stupid (but you)?
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Illegal immigrants do not take away high-pay jobs, and those actual high pay jobs are routinely shipped off to India and alike anyway. Those immigrants are greasing the wheels of the economy, doing jobs that nobody else wants to do.
Right.
Because, until the massive influx of ILLEGAL immigrants in the U.S., toilets everywhere went unscrubbed, burgers went unflipped, no construction happened, lawns went unmowed, assembly-lines were silent...
Keep on keepin' on regurgitating the "They only take the jobs nobody else wants" line.
I have a good friend that is a ceramic-tile-setter. That is NOT a "Job nobody else wants." At 48 years old, his career (making about $20-30 an hour) is OVER; simply because he simply cannot support his family on the wages that an entire crew of ILLEGAL immigrants (who sleep THREE FAMILIES to a house) can be hired for.
Sorry, the onslaught of ILLEGAL immigrants (in the U.S., mostly Mexicans) has ruined the U.S. economy. You see, it's a "trickle-UP" effect.
why do they talk about fascism, "papers please" and destruction of privacy and freedom?
Because "they", unlike you, have actually READ the history of other nations.
First they came for the Communists... [isurvived.org]
If the user wants a graphical alternative that works like the iPhone (or Eclair on the Droid, or whatever), he simply copies the relevant jarfile to his phone, and edits the config file so that at startup, it instantiates a KeyguardFactory object from the jarfile, then uses it to create an IKeyguardHandler-implementing object that gets registered with the OS.
Seriously, is this some kind of JOKE?!?
/.ers just don't get Apple products.
THIS is exactly why
Do you REALLY think that more than 1 in 100,000 "users" could accomplish the tasks listed above?
You need BOTH hands?
I'm not sure I want to know where that other hand is...
Are there actually any Netbooks that can serve as Hackintoshes?
Serious question. Because, unless it can run OS X, I ain't interested. That doesn't make me a "fanboy", just someone with better things to do (at this point in my life) than dink with my computer incessantly. I just want to USE the thing, and OS X comes the closest to that goal, even though W7 SEEMS to be (finally!) getting there, too.
Really? I wasn't that impressed with the video quality (too many compression artifacts) with the one I saw in the Apple Store many months ago, and I LOVE Apple products (as evidenced by my username) ;-)
One major point for the traveling crowd: can I transfer the photos from my camera to the iPad and upload my photos to flickr?
Yes.
And Yes.
That was just two ways I found in literally a minute. I'm sure there are others.
on a real computer you don't need an additional app to just play and manipulate sound bites.
Um, fucktard...
If you'd bother to even GLANCE at the specs for the iPad itself, you'd see you have just embarassed yourself.
But since you OBVIOUSLY need to be spoon-fed, here ya go, idiot:
Under the heading "Audio Formats Supported": AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4), Apple Lossless, AIFF, and WAV
So obviously, you're talking out your ass, since iPad would be able to play those MP3 or WAV fart-sounds natively, without needing "an ADDITIONAL app". Or, in other words, you are but (or is that butt) farting. Might want to actually READ before posting next time, otherwise you look like you do right now; in other words, an IDIOT.
But who needs facts when ya got misplaced F/OSS hubris?
BTW, Package Manager? How quaint. Apple's had installer "packages" using the self-mounting SMIL (.smi) "disk image" format, since Linus was in high school (with support built into the OS directly since MacOS 9.0 (IIRC)), and all versions of OS X have true "package management" built directly into the OS. So, do you seriously think that they just couldn't conceive of such an "advanced" concept?
Now go upstairs. Your Mom is calling you to dinner.
Free, unlocked and open not good enough a benefit to the end user?
No, sorry, it's not.
At least not for THIS device, and not for THIS target market.
Bullshit. It simply means no VIDEO Skype.
I'd move her to Ubuntu before an iPad
Of that, I have no doubt.
But do HER a favor (if you can get your head out of your ass for that long), let HER watch the iPad Keynote (WITHOUT YOUR COMMENTING ON IT), then ask HER whether she'd rather run Ubuntu on a general-purpose computer (which YOU have "locked down"), or an iPad. For fuck's sake, at least on an iPad, SHE wouldn't have to ask YOU to "install applications". She would be able to take care of that stuff all by herself (what a concept!)
But I would be willing to be that you (oh, grand and glorious Oz!) will never let HER make that decision.
You fucktards are really beginning to annoy me. For supposedly "intelligent" humans, you all have about as much collective "insight" as a cockroach. And are just as interesting and rewarding to converse with.
Yeah. People love these sort of things! That's why WebTV is still so popular... oh wait.
Even my grandparents have moved on from "web appliances." I find it interesting that Apple has somehow managed to convince a number of people that it is a new idea, let alone theirs.
That's because EVERY "web appliance" that has existed prior to iPad has had severe usability issues.
Check back in six months, when Apple's stock splits (again) after reaching $400 a share.
And how much extra do you think one would have to pay for the dock to enable it?
Assuming you already have a bluetooth keyboard, then ZERO is what you have to pay. No "dock" needed.
Well I wasn't aware we were talking about children, I thought we were talking about adults. And yes, in this age it would be very hard to find an adult in the developed world who's never used a computer before, even in retirement homes. You're confusing ignorance (a novice) with stupidity (someone who can't check email without breaking the computer).
And you're confusing ignorance AND stupidity with "desire" (or lack thereof).
Just because someone doesn't WANT to be bothered with understanding the intricacies (and there are indeed intricacies!) of what should by now be utterly transparent to the user (and which the iPad will do a fine job of achieving that "transparency"), makes them neither stupid nor ignorant. It makes them "uninterested" in learning something upon which they place little value.
And by the way, it is not at ALL difficult to find people "in the developed world", even relatively young (middle-aged) ones, who have either never used a computer, or have had such a passing encounter with one (like using one at a library to find a book title), that they simply don't "count" as "computer users".
Get a frakkin' grip, you myopic bastard. The world, by and large, does not REALLY understand computers, and never will. Doesn't make them stupid, overall.
As an embedded developer, I might say that anyone who cannot design a motherboard or peripheral card from scratch has no business using a computer. Afterall, could you honestly say you really "understand" 1/100th of the "engineered" products you use everyday? Could you design your TV? Your car? Your Microwave oven? If not, by your own standards, it is shocking, and you shouldn't be allowed to even use such things.
Fortunately for the rest of us, Jobs & company is not so shortsighted as you, and so we'll be happily flipping pages and writing books (notice I said WRITING) on our iPads in our recliners, while you spend all day hunched over your desk, reconfiguring your router (yet again)...
The plus side of this as opposed to a Mac is that this desktop is a P4 with 512MB of RAM
You REALLY list this as a "plus side" relative to any Mac sold for the past DECADE?
For fuck's sake, the Apple TV and the iPhone/iPod Touch have more compute power than that POS.
and was free.
Speaking of which, you do realize that the ONLY reason your Mom puts up with your worse-than-worthless "computer consulting" is that it is free, too...
Treat your Mom to an iPad, and maybe, just maybe, when you see the SMILE on her face, rather than that grimace you're used to seeing when she fights with that relic you've foisted on her, you'll begin to "get" the genius hardware and software engineering that went into iPad's development.
But, since you're obviously living in her basement (for free), I doubt you will understand the difference between "cost" and "value".
I would think that if you aren't capable of doing those 3 things, you should consider hiring somebody to help you do those things or take the time to learn how to do those things.
Spoken like a true MCSE (which everybody knows stands for "Must Consult Someone Experienced")
You are so clueless as to be a danger to yourself and those around you.
Always be wary of "built-in for free" on a device that just cost you a second mortgage to buy.
Boy, the shills are out in force today!
So, you'd need a second mortgage to purchase a $500 product?
What do you have that first mortgage on, a cardboard box?
they just did a test-run on the iPhone first?
Kinda, yes. Especially since the iPad has been in development long before the iPhone launch...
...nothing says "I have a small penis" like owning something from Apple.
Of course it's small. My .mac email address filters out all the "enlarge your penis" spam so I never have an opportunity to do anything about it.
That is the snappiest comeback I've heard in a long time!
Touché!!!