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6 Smartphone Keyboards Compared

Barence writes "A debate that crops up time and again is whether it's better to have a dedicated keyboard on your smartphone or whether an on-screen keyboard with text correction is adequate. Some phones with screen-based keyboards have started to provide tactile feedback, either using an ultra-quick spin of their vibration alert or, like the BlackBerry Storm2, using clever piezo-electric technology to simulate the feel of a button press. But which system works best? PC Pro's Paul Ockendon gathered six of the most popular handsets around and put them through a timed typing test to see which proved quickest and most typo-free."

161 comments

  1. Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What debate? You're telling me that there are people who seriously prefer to *not* have a physical keyboard on their smartphone?

    1. Re:Debate by Raffaello · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, the people who prefer not to have a physical keyboard are called iPhone users.

      Don't look now, but there are millions of us.

    2. Re:Debate by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I prefer not to have a keyboard on my smartphone because typing on a tiny keyboard, whether physical or not, is an enormous pain in the ass and I try to avoid it whenever possible. Since a tiny physical keyboard is only marginally less painful to use than the on-screen one, I'd prefer not to waste space with one.

    3. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I could have been first post but my phone keyword is horrible!

    4. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are you zany iPhone users, and then there are those of us (Droid Eris FTW) who just don't want yet *another* point of failure to cope with. If someone hammers out enough email that having a physical keyboard is a make-or-break proposition, just buy a netbook and tether.

    5. Re:Debate by DIplomatic · · Score: 3, Informative
      I have a BlackBerry Storm and I swear by RIM's SureType. (That's the one with 2 letters on each soft key)

      The predictive text learns as I use the device and I can type incredibly fast on it. Lengthy correspondence is not a problem.

      It's just my preference, but now I would never use a physical keyboard. The keys are tiny and fixed, whereas on my BB they are large and can change to match whatever input I happen to need. (letters, caps, symbols, web signs)

      Just my two cents.

    6. Re:Debate by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is tradeoff between screen size, keyboard size, phone size, durability, etc. For users of a keyboardless phone like the iPhone, they get more screen and fewer moving parts. However typing on them will be not as fast as with a hardware keyboard. Each consumer should buy based on their individual needs. For those that email and text a lot, a phone with a physical keyboard might be better. For me, I don't email and text a lot so there will minimal downside to not having a physical keyboard.

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    7. Re:Debate by obarthelemy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd rather have a choice: not carry a keyboard when I don't need one for maximum portability, and take along a small, or medium, or large, bluetooth keyboard, when I think I will.

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    8. Re:Debate by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If someone hammers out enough email that having a physical keyboard is a make-or-break proposition, just buy a netbook and tether.

      Speaking as one of the many millions for whom a physical keyboard is definitely a must, email is not the only reason to need a keyboard. Some of us use our phones for serious work like remote sysadmin tasks and document editing (to name just two). Both types of phones exist because different people have different needs and preferences.

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    9. Re:Debate by natehoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      iPhone users

      buy a netbook and tether.

      Sing it with me, "One of these things is not like the others..."

      Yes, I'm sure the Eris can tether, but not all of us want to lug around a netbook for the occasional support email.

      I respect your choice of phones for your usage pattern, and I'm sure it works great. For you.

      PS: "another" point of failure to cope with, for me, would be to lug a netbook AND a phone AND depend on a cable or Bluetooth to connect the two. Battery goes dead on one or the other, I'm screwed. One integrated phone with a usable keyboard means all my needs are met with one point of failure - my phone.

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    10. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I love my iPhone as much as the next guy, but I was a way faster typer on my Blackberry, even a year after switching. Its reality. If I could have the appstore / iphone SDK / general UI quality and a real keyboard? please please please...

    11. Re:Debate by Totenglocke · · Score: 1, Informative

      Some of us use our phones for serious work like remote sysadmin tasks and document editing (to name just two). Both types of phones exist because different people have different needs and preferences.

      I've done remote access sysadmin work from my iPhone plenty of times and it was never a hassle at all. While I originally preferred physical keyboards, after having an iPhone for the last 7 months or so, I actually prefer the keyboard because it only shows one symbol on each key (and you hit a button on the side to change what the keyboard shows), which makes it much easier to find what I'm looking for instead of having to look for less frequently used buttons where there are 3 symbols all in different colors on the button. I just wish that it had the Storm 2's tactile feel, but that's a minor quibble. It's all a matter of personal preference / priorities. In your case you place a high value on having the physical feel of a button to push. In my case I place a high value on a clean looking keyboard where I can easily find what I'm looking for.

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    12. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily "prefer" so much as "are willing to live without" a physical keyboard.

    13. Re:Debate by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I call it a point of redundancy, as I can work with a failed touchscreen, or a failed keyboard.

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    14. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but you're stuck with AT&T. Ick.

    15. Re:Debate by owlstead · · Score: 1

      I'm now a proud owner of a HTC Hero android phone. I absolutely love the way you can type on it. It does not have two letters on each soft key - but the idea is more or less the same. If I mistype one or two characters I just select the right word that is displayed on top (most of the time it is the default). The keyboard auto-adapts to the input required and it is relatively easy to switch languages. web-addresses can be a bit of a hassle though, since auto-predict is useless for most pages. The input seems to really capture the center of my finger though, so I don't mistype much. This is fortunate since the otherwise excellent capacitive screen *does* require a special stylus, which seems to be unavailable in the Netherlands.

      Of course, nothing is perfect. A language indicator/switching button would be nice. The vibration during typing could be slightly faster. Some tricks like swiping for capitals might be interesting to be able to turn on. But for searching in documents, SMS and short emails, it's more than adequate. And if in a tight spot I turn the device and I can touch type in landscape using larger keys. Of course, that means I've got less screen estate but I don't actually need much screen estate while typing.

      Copying and pasting is a bit horrible though - I would love to have an additional keyboard layout for navigation, copy & paste.

    16. Re:Debate by pydev · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's called "cognitive dissonance"; look it up sometime.

    17. Re:Debate by Internal+Modem · · Score: 1

      Yes. I prefer a screen that has a dual use considering the limited real estate. The concept allows sharing a multi funtion over time rather than space...

    18. Re:Debate by binford2k · · Score: 1

      no. Prefer. By far.

    19. Re:Debate by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      Yea, I hate having a reliable 300kb/sec internet everywhere I go.

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    20. Re:Debate by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Doesn't it let you use it 2-letters to a key in portrait mode?

      I downloaded an HTC keyboard for my G1, and it was an option in the settings.

      It's really nice to tap-out a quick SMS that why, using only one hand.

      For real typing I live the G1 keyboard. unlike most others, it is not a grid (diagonals like a normal keyboard), and there is a good mount of key separation.

      I really wish something like an updated G1 existed (more RAM and CPU), but it doesn't.

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    21. Re:Debate by jesset77 · · Score: 1
      The point TFA explored was: which is more accurate and reliable, onscreen (with or without feedback) or physical? TFA's punchline:

      How should we interpret the results of this barely-scientific test? First, physical keyboards would appear still to be significantly faster and more accurate than on-screen keyboards, and second, fancy new screen technologies offering haptic feedback don’t necessarily improve typing speed and accuracy, although they feel nicer in use.

      My generalization: Iphone users sacrifice function for form. Period. I suppose that is their choice, but it is still appropriate to call a hat a hat. I maintain that arbitrary individuals have a more difficult time writing things out (be it emails, IM's, SMS, twitter, restaraunt reviews or anything else that's drug us away from the 10-key pad) on an Iphone or other on-screen solution than they do on a phone with a physical keyboard.

      If you wish to directly refute this point, please at least take the time to cite a source no less lazy than this one, or just round up some phones and reproduce the test yourself.

      Thank you.

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    22. Re:Debate by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Hey, thanks, it is only displayed in the settings as "compact querty". OK, it's a bit deep down and for some reasons not in the keyboards settings, but I'll try it out, I can always turn the display in the few cases that it does not suffice.

    23. Re:Debate by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      Don't look now but there are TENS of millions of us with physical keyboards. You're the niche, not us.

    24. Re:Debate by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      I don't own a smartphone, but I'm about to buy one and I agree for the same reasons. There's no way I'm going to be running emacs over ssh on an on-screen keyboard, it's just not going to work. I'd like to be able to type without covering up half my screen, thanks.

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    25. Re:Debate by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      The reason to prefer the tactile feel of a keyboard is tied entirely to not being a total n00b.

      Once you know where the keys are, you no longer need to look to find them (and thus don't care what they look like). When you're not looking at the keyboard, you're looking at either the screen or the document you're transcribing, and usually typing much faster than if you were looking at the keyboard.

      Of course, for this to be even a remote possibility, you MUST have a physical keyboard, so you can feel your way to the keys and know when you've pressed one.

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    26. Re:Debate by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      > PS: "another" point of failure to cope with, for me, would be to lug a netbook AND
      > a phone AND depend on a cable or Bluetooth to connect the two.

      Tsk. If you had an iPhone, you wouldn't tether, because that's simply Not Allowed. When you defile an iPhone by jailbreaking and tethering it, it makes Steve Jobs sad.

    27. Re:Debate by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      As of last night, I'm an even happier owner of a Sprint Hero Android phone, because we finally have independent 2.1 builds that really, truly work -- real 2.6.29 kernel, GPS, bluetooth, camera, and all. OK, for some inane reason, the LED under the trackball still doesn't quite work properly... but then again, it never worked *at all* with HTC & Sprint's official 1.5 firmware, so flakiness is still a net improvement over the official status quo.

      I'm back to being happy that it doesn't have a physical keyboard. Not because I like onscreen keyboards. Actually, I despise touchscreen keyboards in every meaningful way possible. HOWEVER, now that I have 2.1 and access to android.gestures.*, I can rejoin the true civilized universe, and use Graffiti-1 again.

      Finally. Goddamn, I missed Graffiti ever since the day I bought my Hero in October, then discovered that MobileWrite sucked worse than a whore with braces (it lagged so badly, it actually dropped letters because I'd be halfway through letter #3 by the time it finally settled on letter #1), and StrokeKeyboard didn't work on the Hero (or Android 1.5 in general). I felt like I was crippled every time I had to interact with the Hero's virtual keyboard in any meaningful way. Now I feel whole again. I can forget all about that ugly 6-month chapter of my life. Praise Linus, thanks be to Google, and endless gratitude to xda-developers.com for making it all possible.

    28. Re:Debate by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some of us use our phones for serious work like remote sysadmin tasks and document editing (to name just two)

      Such folks as yourself might be interested in my signature spam :-)

    29. Re:Debate by Totenglocke · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      There's a big difference between typing by touch on a keyboard at a computer and doing it on a phone. Do I really look at what I'm typing on my phone? No, but I still occasionally look to make sure I'm hitting the right buttons. All you're doing is being a troll and claiming that anyone who doesn't want a physical keyboard is incapable of remembering where keys are.

      Of course, for this to be even a remote possibility, you MUST have a physical keyboard, so you can feel your way to the keys and know when you've pressed one.

      No, you don't have to have a physical keyboard for it. Does it make it easier? Some, but it's not a necessity (hence why I only look at my touchscreen about 10% of the time when typing). Also, having the typing sounds turned on lets you know whenever you type something, so you know when they're pressed.

      And yes, I'm well aware that the reason I was modded flamebait (even though I agreed with the parent about 85%) was because I said that I actually like an iPhone, which is a big no-no here. The amount of bad modding going on lately is getting ridiculous.

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    30. Re:Debate by indiechild · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I love how some jackass modded you Flamebait just for sharing your experiences.

    31. Re:Debate by BronsCon · · Score: 1
      Where did I say that anyone claiming to prefer a touchscreen keyboard can't remember where keys are? I was refuting the argument you made, while you're putting words in my mouth.

      Keep the following in mind while relying on sound from your phone to tell you when you've pressed a key:
      • Not everyone wants to hear your phone
      • In loud environments, you might not be able to hear it
      • Tactile feedback travels through your nervous system faster than sound travels through air
      • A smooth screen doesn't have raised markings indicating the home keys (F and J), which aids in no-look typing
      • You're putting fingerprints on your screen with every "key"press, which you'll have to wipe off, risking scratching the screen
      • You're putting pressure on your screen with every "key"press, which will eventually damage the somewhat fragile structure of the screen itself

      There's a lot to like about the iPhone and, were it not locked down as it is, and with a slide-out keyboard, Apple may have made a customer out of me when it came time to replace my Curve 8300.

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    32. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS: "another" point of failure to cope with, for me, would be to lug a netbook AND a phone AND depend on a cable or Bluetooth to connect the two. Battery goes dead on one or the other, I'm screwed. One integrated phone with a usable keyboard means all my needs are met with one point of failure - my phone.

      Battery goes dead on the phone then the laptop will charge it!

    33. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you don't live in San Francisco or New York.

    34. Re:Debate by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Some of us use our phones for serious work like remote sysadmin tasks and document editing (to name just two).

      I find it difficult to believe when people say they're doing "serious work" on the tidgy little keyboards on netbooks. The idea of someone claiming to be doing "serious work" on a smartphone just blows my mind.

    35. Re:Debate by hazydave · · Score: 1

      The big problem with the virtual keyboard isn't so much the fact it's non-mechanical, but that it takes up a huge bit of real-estate on an already too-tiny screen, in the case of the iPhone and similar old-style smartphones. Once you get to the current 800x480-ish resolution of current-generation high-end smartphones, this is a but less true, but only a bit -- screens and fingers are still the same size, even if you have 2x-3x the resolution. And as well, having a physical keyboard doesn't preclude the use of a virtual one. For simple things on my Droid, I use the virtual keyboard and, increasingly, voice. But for actual extended writing, the physical keyboard wins. Of course, none of these things are immediately natural to your fingers if you're used to full sized computers. I can touch-type on my PC keyboard here... never had a lesson, but youi know, after a few decades at it, it's second-nature. But every tiny device, I'd had to train my fingers all over again before it became comfortable -- Palm stylus alphabet, Treo keyboard, iPhone virtual keyboard, Droid virtual and physical keyboard, they're all just different enough, we adapt to them. Most people don't notice it.. they just discover at some point they're very happy, or at least at terms, with the device they're using... and probably hate others. No one's really got the tiny keyboard good enough for most people to live it from the start.

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    36. Re:Debate by hazydave · · Score: 1

      I think Apple actually had a patent on form over function... going all the way back to the mouse cut down to a single button. But some people appreciate the form and don't understand the missing function anyway. Thus the success of these bad ideas, particularly with people otherwise confused by electronic devices.

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    37. Re:Debate by hazydave · · Score: 1

      While I haven't run Emacs on my smart phone, native or via SSH, it's nice to know I could. With a decent screen resolution and keyboard, it's totally practical on many of today's smartphones. In fact, I'd get more text on-screen on my Droid than I did when I first used Emacs, way back when, on VT52 terminals.

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    38. Re:Debate by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      Where did I say that anyone claiming to prefer a touchscreen keyboard can't remember where keys are? I was refuting the argument you made, while you're putting words in my mouth.

      You specifically talked about you MUST have a physical keyboard so that you can type without looking at it - just because you used a different wording doesn't change what you said.

      As for your comments at the end about the iPhone, jailbreaking fixes the locked down aspect (and it's dirt simple to do), and if you bothered to USE one for more than a minute, you might realize that you don't need a physical keyboard as badly as you think you do. Also, (again proving your lack of experience with an iPhone), you don't "press" on an iphone at all - the most minimal amount of physical contact is needed for it to register, so your argument about you breaking the screen eventually from touching it is completely false, as is your "scratching the screen" argument, at least with the highly scratch resistant 3GS. That's why I dislike using other touchscreen phones because on those you DO have to actually push, where on the iPhone you just barely touch your finger to it and it registers.

      At first after reading this post of yours, I was going to say you were trolling, but after thinking about it more, you just come across as someone who is so determined that X is better than Y that you refuse to even try X and find out if your bias is justified. Take a chance sometime, you might be surprised.

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    39. Re:Debate by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      If you live in one of those overpopulated shitholes, you deserve the crappy service there. The other 90-95% of the country has great service from AT&T.

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    40. Re:Debate by hazydave · · Score: 1

      And curiously, I ran into this with my old Treo 700p. The keyboard finally bit the dust. Had they included the normal PalmOS stylus area on-screen, this would have been an annoyance. As it was, it was pretty much useless at that point.

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    41. Re:Debate by geminidomino · · Score: 0, Troll

      My generalization: Iphone users sacrifice function for form.

      Isn't that pretty much the defining characteristic of Apple's core market?

    42. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. And BTW, *all* mice were single button (and Apple's was the first widely available model) originally. Sure, they stuck with one button mice for too long, but since the first version of OS X (2001 IIRC) it's been quite possible to plug in a multi-button mouse (as many of us did) and it Just Works. So that makes you as bad as the Linux dweebs who complain about Windows problems that were fixed by Microsoft over a decade ago. Welcome to 2010, dumbass!

    43. Re:Debate by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      Hey, I love that. Have the latest beta installed on my Blackberry -- Thanks, very useful!

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    44. Re:Debate by R_Dorothy · · Score: 1

      I've fixed a broken production website over SSH on a smartphone on several occasions. Sure, it's not my first choice but it sure beats dropping whatever you are doing on your day off and trying to find a computer that you can use, being stuck traveling knowing that you need to fix something and can't do anything about it or trying to talk someone else through it.

      I also use it to remote admin several non mission critical servers on a regular basis - again not making wholesale changes but little things that are easier to deal with as and when they occur.

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    45. Re:Debate by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Firstly. ANY touch on an LCD will fatigue it, eventually leading to failure. I've seen, firsthand, how fragile the screen on a 3GS is.

      Second, re-read my comment. I never said you were likely to scratch the screen with your finger. Jusa wait until that soft cotton cloth isn't as soft and cottony as you thought. Yes, I still have to clean my screen at times, but not nearly as often as a touchscreen user. Again, I've seen firsthand how fragile the screen is on a 3GS.

      I disagree with you and have an entire list of points, which you've yet to refute, so I MUST not have any experience in the matter. If I did, I'd agree with you; but then, where did my list of points come from? I'll tell you where: extensive use of iPhones belonging to clients, business associates, and friends, for the purpose of browser compatibility testing.

      I know how easy it is to jailbreak an iPhone. I've jailbroken 2, actually, from the group mentioned above. It's not without its own issues, however; namely that you void your warranty by doing so. You'd best hope it's at least functional enough to restore tto factory defaults before taking it in for repair, and you'd best have all of your data backed up befor doing so. If not, your $200 phone is gonna cost you $599 to replace, all so you could have basic functionality.

      Like I said, there's a lot to loke about your JesusPhone. I know this becaused I've used one enough to be able to tell you the two things I would change and provide a list of reasond why I'd change them.

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    46. Re:Debate by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Excellent, glad to hear it. A new update is coming out tonight (if I can stay awake long enough) with multiple fixes and a couple of new features.

    47. Re:Debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. In the southeastern US, ATT has no signal for more than 50% of the area. I travel frequently through GA, SC, NC, FL, TN, MS, LA -- when I have a companion with an iPhone they are always begging to borrow my Verizon phone 'cause they can't get a signal except in major metro areas. Verizon is the only viable network in the southeast, unless you never leave a major city.

      I don't understand iPhone buyers -- it's like they're under some sort of hypnotic spell, and forgotten that the whole point of a phone is to be connected!

    48. Re:Debate by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      First off, I know you're trolling now with your "how fragile the screen on a 3GS is" - especially since, as an owner of one since they came out, I've dropped one onto a ceramic tile floor and it didn't do jack to it.

      Secondly, I never said anything about "scratching the screen with your finger", I said that the screens are "highly scratch resistant". I've spent months cleaning it off on any type of fabric, including jeans, and even carried it in a pocket with car keys and never put a scratch on it. Again - troll.

      Your list of "points" - most of them were just mindless trolling. The "no one wants to hear your keyboard" - hey, guess what, you can hear physical keyboards - the difference is that an iPhone has a mute button and volume controls! If you are so dependent on hearing the sounds to type, then you have a whole set of issues that we don't have enough time to get into. As for "no bumps on F and J" - seriously? It's a goddamn PHONE. It's not hard to glance 1/4 of an inch lower and see what your fingers are on if you need to.

      If you break a jailbroken iPhone to where you can't even restore it, you'd have done that kind of damage to it even without jailbreaking it and should not be allowed within 100 yards of any electronics.

      I never said that the iPhone was the best, it wasn't even my first choice of a phone (but due to Android phones only being on T-Mobile at the time and Verizon drastically overcharging, there weren't really options). All I did was point out that (silly me) you should actually USE one before bashing it. However, now I know you're just trolling, so my "try it before you bash" is irrelevant since you'll bash it no matter what.

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    49. Re:Debate by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      First off, I know you're trolling now with your "how fragile the screen on a 3GS is" - especially since, as an owner of one since they came out, I've dropped one onto a ceramic tile floor and it didn't do jack to it.

      I wasn't trolling, I've seen many break. Google it. You, however, are using a single anecdote to disprove a fact. That's something trolls do, but I'll assume you're doing it be accident.

      Secondly, I never said anything about "scratching the screen with your finger", I said that the screens are "highly scratch resistant". I've spent months cleaning it off on any type of fabric, including jeans, and even carried it in a pocket with car keys and never put a scratch on it. Again - troll.

      Again - anecdote. I've seen lens cleaning cloths scratch iPhone screens.

      Your list of "points" - most of them were just mindless trolling. The "no one wants to hear your keyboard" - hey, guess what, you can hear physical keyboards - the difference is that an iPhone has a mute button and volume controls! If you are so dependent on hearing the sounds to type, then you have a whole set of issues that we don't have enough time to get into. As for "no bumps on F and J" - seriously? It's a goddamn PHONE. It's not hard to glance 1/4 of an inch lower and see what your fingers are on if you need to.

      You're the one who mentioned using sound to tell when you've "pressed" a key. I use tactile feedback. Also, sometimes I'm not looking at the phone at all when I'm interacting with it; I don't look over to skip a song on Pandora, I can feel the button and press it. I'd have to look a lot more than 1/4" away from what I'm doing a LOT of the time when interacting with my phone.

      If you break a jailbroken iPhone to where you can't even restore it, you'd have done that kind of damage to it even without jailbreaking it and should not be allowed within 100 yards of any electronics.

      You've never had a piece of electronics fail through no fault of your own? Batteries rupture (really, even iPhone batteries, Google it), random bit-flips in RAM cause flash to be overwritten (maybe one in a trillion devices will have something like this happen, but it happens -- learn how to use statistics and realize that you don't need a trillion devices to even exist to be hit by those odds). There are any number of things that can happen to it that would happen through NO FAULT OF THE USER, THUS BEING COVERED BY WARRANTY. If I fucked it up that bad myself, I wouldn't even bother with the warranty, so I think you missed the point.

      I never said that the iPhone was the best, it wasn't even my first choice of a phone (but due to Android phones only being on T-Mobile at the time and Verizon drastically overcharging, there weren't really options). All I did was point out that (silly me) you should actually USE one before bashing it. However, now I know you're just trolling, so my "try it before you bash" is irrelevant since you'll bash it no matter what.

      Have you even read any of my posts? I've logged more than a few days with an iPhone of each generation.

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    50. Re:Debate by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      Yes, the people who prefer not to have a physical keyboard are called iPhone users.

      Don't look now, but there are millions of us.

      I am an Android Phone user, not an iPhone user you insensitive clod!

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  2. Swype. by Karganeth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I downloaded swype for my Nexus One and haven't looked back. It's so much faster than the old virtual keyboard for "hunt and peck". The videos of it don't do it justice. It's much easier and faster than the old ways.

    1. Re:Swype. by deadmongoose · · Score: 1

      I just got it too. I have to say it is the best and most useful Android app I have used to date. It takes all of 5 mins to learn how to use it and once you do it is so simple and fast. The the first round of beta for Android is already over, if you go to their website you can sign up and get an invite when they start up again.

    2. Re:Swype. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the Swype for Android beta is now closed.

      But, I'm using it on Droid. I like it better than the physical keyboard most of the time. If I ever learn where the cursor keys are I will like it better still.

    3. Re:Swype. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I have an iPhone, a Nokia N900, and a Nokia 5800. The 5800 touchscreen was just horrible, but it worked very well with the stylus. Unfortunately, the stylus is not a serious input device. My iPhone, turned sideways, allows me to use both thumbs and hold the device comfortably. After some weeks of practice, I can type almost entire dissertations on it quickly. The 'M' button and the spacebar seem to get mixed up at times as does the Shift and the 'A' key, but otherwise, the iPhone input rocks.

      That being said, I fucking hate my iPhone. The only reason I use it at all is that I was able to jailbreak and unlock it and it has superior input capabilities... so, I went out and bought a Nokia N900. Now, this is a real phone. The only reason I still use my iPhone over my N900 is that the keyboard is not so good. I have tried a friends Nokia (N97?) and the keys were spaced just a bit further apart and with practice, could have become a useful input feature. The N900 has keys that are way too close and the 'click' sound feedback is hit and miss, so sometimes, I end up hitting the same key over and over again because I thought it did not take the first time.

      All in all, the iPhone is the only onscreen keyboard that I have ever tried that is even useful at all... and it is VERY good. Some of the Nokia phones have semi-decent keyboards, but the N900 is NOT one of them. If you are buying a phone purely for its input capabilities, buy an iPhone and don't look back (because you will see Steve Jobs doing things to your anal opening!).

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    4. Re:Swype. by srussell · · Score: 1

      Ditto. Actually, I was using ShapeWriter until Swype came out... they both have their nice points, but both of them are nice, and a lot of the time, I actually prefer them to hard keyboards.

      ShapeWriter has a really clever capitalization mechanism that I miss in Swype. Often. Swype has slightly better matching. ShapeWriter will insert a space between a period and the next word; Swype doesn't (grrr!). ShapeWriter has an annoying feature where, if the text entry ends with punctuation, the editing of misspelled words doesn't work. Swype requires you to actually swipe over apostrophes to get them (it doesn't recognize "its" as potentially being "it's"). They both have "alternate" keyboards, but ShapeWriter's alternate is much more useful (bigger keys, focused on numeric entry) -- although, both make getting to some common keys (:, /) uncommonly difficult. For some reason, I find Swype much easier to use if I'm tap-typing -- and ShapeWriter is almost impossible to use for password entry (if you're like me and use mixed-case passwords), whereas Swype is useful.

      They're both good. I don't know about Swype, but I get regular updates from ShapeWriter. I've been using Swype for the past couple of weeks; I think it annoys me less, but they're pretty darned close.

  3. Bias? by mewsenews · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The author acknowledges that this test is barely scientific, but I'm left wondering why he didn't disclose which phone he actually uses day-to-day. The muscle memory he's built up using his primary smartphone should give a huge bias to the results.

    1. Re:Bias? by DIplomatic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The author acknowledges that this test is barely scientific, but I'm left wondering why he didn't disclose which phone he actually uses day-to-day. The muscle memory he's built up using his primary smartphone should give a huge bias to the results.

      Not only that, but he is using out of the box phones. The predictive text-correction learns as you use it. The results would be much different for a phone that sees use.

    2. Re:Bias? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also the touchscreen keyboards need calibration to work best. The little quick start guide tells you how, it's easy.

      I found the HTC Hero to be much more accurate after calibration when compared to before calibration.

      That said, I'd still expect to see a physical keyboard to be a little faster and more accurate than a touchscreen, because you can feel the keys before you type, lending a lot to confidence which helps accuracy and speed.

      Still, using them out of the box is atrocious, it doesn't reflect the capabilities of the phone at all.

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    3. Re:Bias? by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      Certainly. Tests of this nature are completely, totally worthless. His previous experience with other devices may actually be to the detriment of his performance with devices with dissimilar keyboard layouts.

      A proper study would use a number of individuals. Each would be given a phone, tested on that phone, instructed to use that phone over the course of a week, and then tested again. Then they would move on to another phone. Each individual would be given the phones in a different order, so the performance improvement gained through general use of smart phones, as well as growing familiarity with the testing process, wouldn't skew the results.

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    4. Re:Bias? by Wingsy · · Score: 1

      Bingo! Been waiting for someone to point out the obvious flaw in this unscientific research.

      The resident teen here types so fast on her iPhone that the feedback clicks sounds like a woodpecker. Once I asked to see what she had typed and saw no typos (but several abbreviations). Hand her a Blackberry and I'll guarantee that her results would be the opposite that obtained by the keyboard scientist.

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    5. Re:Bias? by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      "Barely scientific"? It's barely a "test". I don't see my phone listed on there. I can use a virtual keyboard with or without vibration feedback in portrait or landscape. I can also slide the display to expose the 4-row, physical qwerty keyboard. And, now that I think about it, I wonder if I can pair this bluetooth keyboard with it......

    6. Re:Bias? by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hot diggity!

    7. Re:Bias? by t0p · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bingo! Been waiting for someone to point out the obvious flaw in this unscientific research.

      So you noticed the flaw earlier but decided not to point it out? Maybe you thought a "me too" remark would be more useful?

      The resident teen here types so fast on her iPhone that the feedback clicks sounds like a woodpecker. Once I asked to see what she had typed and saw no typos (but several abbreviations). Hand her a Blackberry and I'll guarantee that her results would be the opposite that obtained by the keyboard scientist.

      I can "type" like a woodpecker on my Sony Ericsson dumb-phone - you know, the kind that has 3 (sometimes 4) letters on each button of the number pad. Using T9 predictive and both thumbs quickly becomes second nature. And once you've used it for a while it will "learn" the abbreviations and "unusual" words you regularly use and typos will be rarer than hen's teeth.

      Does that make the dumb-phone's number pad arrangement better than other phones' methods? No, it means that any layout can be mastered pretty damn quickly. So any attempt to characterize one input system as better than another is futile.

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    8. Re:Bias? by hazydave · · Score: 1

      A proper test would look at the beginner's experiences with different entry methods, and also experts -- folks using these things regularly for months or years. There's every chance of a "Coke vs. Pepsi" situation here, where some are simply easier to use out of the box, but others work better as the user gains proficiency. I'd add in other alternate virtual keyboards, too, like Swype.

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  4. Swype by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 1

    I've been using Swype on my Nexus One for a month or two and it's incredible. I wonder how it'd perform on that chart (Or is one of those phones the windows phone that includes it? "Swype" didn't show up on the article page at all).

    1. Re:Swype by montibbalt · · Score: 1

      Better yet, I wonder how well a setup like HexInput would perform.

  5. Subjective somewhat? by guruevi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Depending on what you're used to on existing devices and who is typing, these results will vary wildly. I'm used to a physical keyboard on my phone so I have trouble whenever I try to use something else. I tried tactile feedback screens once and the vibrations felt funny making me go even slower.

    I've got a really flat, sensitive keyboard with repeat all the way up and key delay all the way down and a trackball mouse. Most people that try to type on it or use my mouse can't because the keyboard is too sensitive and they don't know what to do with the mouse (some try to move the whole unit, some just look at it and seem to poke at it). I however can type faster on it than any other keyboard and be precise in even difficult 3D shooters.

    These 'tests' really require a decent sample size of users and a decent sample size of devices with said screens. Not everybody implements the on-screen keyboard in the same way either.

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    1. Re:Subjective somewhat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, you're the only one in the world with the power and skill to use a fucking trackball.

      I swear, trackball owners are more uppity than Apple zealots! They're all like you!

      Have you seen the type of neandrethal that plays Golden Tee golf at the bar? You still proud of yer mad trackball skilllzzzz?

    2. Re:Subjective somewhat? by zullnero · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I have a vertical slider because I use my phone vertically about 90% more than I use it horizontally, and having to spin my phone just to send a text message annoys me. I also prefer a smaller keyboard because I know it shrinks the device profile and fits better in the pocket...I don't need a Blackberry keyboard, not at all. So when I type messages out on my Pre with a vertical slide out keyboard, I'm about as fast as anyone else...but when I hand my phone off to a BB person, they start cursing because they're used to moving their thumbs a further distance to reach keys and they make more typos. They have learned motions that they have to retrain themselves on. Inversely, I have a tougher time typing on those side slider keyboards because I'm used to shorter reaches with the thumbs.

    3. Re:Subjective somewhat? by natehoy · · Score: 1

      These 'tests' really require a decent sample size of users and a decent sample size of devices with said screens.

      No. Sorry, but no.

      These 'tests' really require that you as a consumer go into a phone store, narrow down the selection based on what features you need, then grab each and every surviving model in your own sweaty paws, and spend 10 minutes with each. This will quickly narrow down the choices. Take your two finalists and spend a quality half hour with each. Thank the salesperson for his/her Jobesian patience, then buy the one that works best for you based on actually using it for a while.

      If you don't plan on using your phone for heavy-duty text entry, grab whatever appeals to you and make sure you can get basic stuff done with it. If you plan on using it heavily, get to know the keyboards and which one works for you. Pack a lunch. Bring some goodies to share with the sales rep. They'll appreciate the gesture.

      Finger length and thickness, dexterity, need for screen space, and several hundred other factors all go into what phone is best for each individual. Having 1,000 jamokes all tell you that 65% of them prefer the keyboard on "Brand X" will be almost meaningless to any individual phone user.

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  6. Blackberry by physburn · · Score: 2, Insightful
    But doesn't it depend on the size of your fingers.

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    1. Re:Blackberry by natehoy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Absolutely. My wife, she of the toothpick-sized fingers, does pretty well on her iPod Touch. She prefers my Blackberry keyboard for any sort of serious data entry, but then again she has little need for that on a phone - that's what her netbook is for.

      Personally, I can't type three consecutive letters on the iPod Touch or an iPhone without screwing it up. But I can burn through text like a sonofabitch with my Blackberry.

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    2. Re:Blackberry by kosh · · Score: 1

      "The Fingers You Have Used to dial Are Too Fat. to obtain a Special Dialing Wand, Please Mash the Keypad with Your Palm Now."

    3. Re:Blackberry by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Personally, I can't type three consecutive letters on the iPod Touch or an iPhone without screwing it up. But I can burn through text like a sonofabitch with my Blackberry.

      Funny, it's the exact opposite for me. Maybe it's because you're used to your BB an I'm used to my iPhone?
      Really this typing test is a poor joke. I'd bet a lot that his primary phone is the one having the better score. Guess why....

    4. Re:Blackberry by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but I had an iPod Touch for a few months before getting my Blackberry, and I never could master the iPod's soft keyboard. Took to the Blackberry keyboard like a duck takes to water.

      I suspect it's just more about what's comfortable, what form of feedback you prefer, finger size, dexterity, etc. I just like to be able to feel keys under my fingers, and I have trouble finding keys based on sight because my fingers cover up too much.

      I'm just glad the market has both. We're both happy. LOL.

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  7. "barely scientific"? Not even that. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keyboarding, even within the context of a high quality desktop keyboard, is not a natural act. I requires nontrivial practice to achieve speed and accuracy with low mental overhead.

    Smartphone keyboards are ghastly little things, whose virtues lie more or less exclusively in being small enough to fit on smartphones. Each different one requires substantial practice and much of that practice isn't transferable between systems.

    Having one person try them all for a few minutes is line noise, it tells us nothing.

    1. Re:"barely scientific"? Not even that. by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      The author didn't even tell us which keyboard he used on the Android devices. There's a very big difference between the vertical-orientation kb and the horizontal-orientation one. I can't type worth anything on the vertical, but can blaze along fairly quickly on the horizontal.

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    2. Re:"barely scientific"? Not even that. by ectoraige · · Score: 1

      It tells us how quickly one person adapts to a sample new input systems. It's a data point, and he even described the methodology allowing others to repeat, so yeah, I think it counts as barely scientific.

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    3. Re:"barely scientific"? Not even that. by toastar · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      The author didn't even tell us which keyboard he used on the Android devices. There's a very big difference between the vertical-orientation kb and the horizontal-orientation one. I can't type worth anything on the vertical, but can blaze along fairly quickly on the horizontal.

      Yes but the vertical ones only take one hand, Which means I'm more likely to be able to avoid trees while typing sql statements

  8. YMMV by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Is measuring how one particular person performs over a limited amount of cellphone keyboards. Could be measuring here more things than just those keyboards. Take it as what it really mean.

  9. Of course.. they left out the original and best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They didn't even include any Palm products in their review.. and Palm, being both the original smartphone, and the best (at least in my opinion), deserved to be included.
    The crapberry bold that "won" has an imitation of the keyboard on a Palm Treo 680 and similar.. the Pre has a similar keyboard as well.. probably further refined than the one RIM ripped-off for the crapberry bold.

    I wonder just where RIM's money comes into the equation of paying the person who wrote the review to pan everyone else's product.. while being sure to mention one OTHER crapberry in order not to look biased.

    1. Re:Of course.. they left out the original and best by outofluck70 · · Score: 1

      Agreed on the older Palms, I still have a 755p. Have you tried the Pre? The keyboard is a big step backward, IMO. And not to sound like an Ugly American, but can I would like to see this comparo done in the states.

  10. Hardly a Significant Test by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but one person typing a short message, is not going to tell us anything significant. Furthermore we don't know his background (e.g. what types of phones/PDA's he's used in the past), or how "fat" his fingers are. At best all we know is what phone he's best at right now. The performance of the same person when they first used the phone compared to that same person after owning that type of phone for a year will differ significantly.

    If someone plans to type on their phone enough for the difference of a few seconds to matter, then they really need to compare the phones in person themselves. A significantly larger sample of people ideally who have never used a phone with a full keyboard may give some idea of which styles tend to work better on average, but that's about the most information you'll get. Whether it works best (and is comfortable) for you is something you need to try yourself.

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    1. Re:Hardly a Significant Test by quadelirus · · Score: 1

      It is true that the results of such "research" are useless, but how many click-throughs did such a poor attempt at research generate? \cynicism

    2. Re:Hardly a Significant Test by Slack0ff · · Score: 1

      I can't believe the author didn't feel the need to disclose his day to day phone. As a long time Blackberry owner I'm sure my results would be just as skewed towards the Bold 9700. However, I've seen an iPhone user on a Blackberry and can't say they quite got it first try.

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  11. Results are in a picture of a table... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a pictutre of a table with the results. For anyone who is not able to read the information in the picture, here's what it says:

    Fastest (1m44s), with 0 errors: BlackBerry Bold 2 with physical keyboard below screen.

    Slowest (3m24s), with most (9) errors: BlackBerry Storm 2 that has an on-screen keyboard with "click feedback".

    Second best, both in terms of errors (0) and speed (2m0s) was Nokia E 75 with a physical, slide out keyboard.

    iPhone 3 GS with on-screen keyboard took 2m43s and got 2 errors.

    Other participants: HTC Hero and HTC Touch HD2, that have on-screen keyboards with "vibrate feedback" (3m1s, 2m41s, respectively, with 4 and 1 error(s), respectively).

  12. three words: by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    screen real estate.

    i have a moto droid and while the onscreen keyboard is awesome and the predictive text works great, it takes up about 75% of the screen. if i am on a site (like /.) where i am going to be reading and typing with regularity it is nice to have the option to slide out a physical keyboard and get the screen back.

    1. Re:three words: by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Luckily Slashdot is pretty much entirely broken on the iPhone (still!), so this issue hasn't come up.

    2. Re:three words: by Tikkun · · Score: 1

      Slashdot works fine on my Nokia e51 (S60 running Opera Mini). Perhaps you need a different web browser?

    3. Re:three words: by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Works great on my HTC Ozone...I gotta have a physical keyboard, I can't stand touchscreen keyboards.

    4. Re:three words: by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Slashdot works fine on my Nokia

      Maddox, is that you?

      http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

    5. Re:three words: by Hatta · · Score: 1

      But if you ditch a physical keyboard you can use that to increase your screen real estate.

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    6. Re:three words: by precariousgray · · Score: 1

      Real estate is a great, oft-overlooked point. I'd have to disagree with the original comment that it's a pain in the ass to type on a slide-out keyboard, though. On my XV6700 I was able to input text than most people can on a regular keyboard. =/

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    7. Re:three words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maddox currently uses a Nokia N97, which in his own words, "kinda sucks."

    8. Re:three words: by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 2, Informative

      i am not sure that i understand what you are trying to say. the moto droid has basically the exact same dimensions as the iphone within a millimeter. however it has a slide-out keyboard so when i use that 100% of my screen is displaying the app or site

    9. Re:three words: by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 1

      i always liked how those keyboards looked. the moto droid keyboard is okay, better than a piece of glass, but i would love to have bigger more defined buttons like that. i sometimes miss the keyboard on my old green LG, but i am getting over it...

    10. Re:three words: by eln · · Score: 1

      I just find it odd that Slashdot has apparently made no effort to make their site compatible with a phone that represents something like 25% of the smartphone market.

    11. Re:three words: by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      Actually they've improved it a lot recently! Now the "submit" and "cancel reply" buttons no longer overlap so you don't cancel everything you typed! Now all they need to do is get comments to appear correctly and they're good to go. Either that or they could just make an iPhone app for reading slashdot....

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    12. Re:three words: by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

      I just find it odd that Slashdot has apparently made no effort to make their site compatible with a phone that represents something like 25% of the smartphone market.

      Possibly it is because the kinds of people that frequent Slashdot are most likely the kinds of people that will have no problem modifying their equipment for their own needs. Its not Slashdot's fault that the iPhone is specifically built to prevent people from modifying their experience.

      Judging from the anti-Apple hatred that is spewed here, it wouldn't surprise me if Slashdot didn't want to be associated with that specific 25% of the smartphone market.

    13. Re:three words: by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Anywhere you could put a keyboard you could also put a screen. Slide out keyboard => slide out screen. Dual screens!

      There is a lot to be said for tactile feedback though.

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    14. Re:three words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just find it odd that the iPhone which represents something like 25% of the smartphone market hasn't conformed to html standards with its browser.

    15. Re:three words: by Internal+Modem · · Score: 1

      The Moto Droid keyboard is pretty much one of the biggest weaknesses in my opinion. Stiff keys are not very fun...

    16. Re:three words: by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Judging from the anti-Apple hatred that is spewed here, it wouldn't surprise me if Slashdot didn't want to be associated with that specific 25% of the smartphone market.

      I wonder how their corporate overlords would feel about the lost readership/lost ad revenue...

    17. Re:three words: by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I just find it odd that the iPhone which represents something like 25% of the smartphone market hasn't conformed to html standards with its browser.

      Citation, please?

      I would assume that Mobile Safari (like it's desktop brother) is based on WebKit, which is 100% ACID3 compliant.

      So, what were you saying, again?

    18. Re:three words: by binford2k · · Score: 1

      .... I read slashdot all the time on my iphone. Don't know what you tards are wanking about.

      And for what it's worth, the iphone browser runs on webkit. Which is the same engine that powers chrome that you probably rub one out to every night.

    19. Re:three words: by eln · · Score: 1

      That's the part that bugs me. Most of Slashdot's articles are marginally interesting at best, and contain information available from a number of sources with better mobile-enabled websites, but the comments are usually really good. Without the ability to non-painfully read (and in a perfect world, respond to) the comments, reading Slashdot on the iPhone just isn't worth it.

    20. Re:three words: by mdwh2 · · Score: 2

      Nope, he's just one of over a billion people who choose Nokia.

    21. Re:three words: by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The days when only so-called "smartphones" could run web browsers are long gone - for years, any normal phone can, so if we're talking about viewing Slashdot, that's the relevant market. And the Iphone is less than 5% of the phone market.

      Yes, you get 25% if you artificially restrict the category to the Iphone and a few other models, but then you might as well say that the Iphone has 100% of the Iphone market. (Can you give me a definition of smartphone that includes the original Iphone, but doesn't include most "feature" phones?)

    22. Re:three words: by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Physical keyboard AND the ability to read and respond to /. comments (from ANYWHERE).

      Three reasons this comment was...

      Posted from my AT&T Wireless Blackberry Bold 9000

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    23. Re:three words: by quenda · · Score: 1

      screen real estate.

      There is a compromise: use a stylus! That way the virtual keyboard is not only smaller, but more accurate.
      I'd like to see a comparison of stylus vs finger screen-typing. (A proper comparison, not like in TFA.)
      If multi-touch is really so important, you could build a screen with both resistive and capacitive digitisers.

      And don't forget to compare things like Palm's Graffiti.

    24. Re:three words: by fbjon · · Score: 1

      OT: you might want to try the Opera 10 mobile beta.

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    25. Re:three words: by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Luckily Slashdot is pretty much entirely broken on the iPhone (still!), so this issue hasn't come up.

      What!? This is news to me and my iPhone 3G S. Are there a couple of annoyances, sure, but I have no problem reading stories here, unhiding comments, etc exactly as I would on a full computer.

      Even reading nested comments isn't painful, because the deeper the nesting, the smaller the font is on my iPhone, so I just double-tap the comment block to magnify and auto-fit the comment up the width of the screen.

      So there's no iPhone-specific Slashdot layout, but 9 times out of 10 I switch a site back to its normal layout anyway, to access some features (minus the obvious like Flash) that aren't available on the mobile layout.

      What am I missing?

    26. Re:three words: by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Judging by the mac fanboy population, they seem to be having their cake and eating it too. You guys (assuming you are a member of that subset based on your user name, if not, apologies) don't seem to be going away anyway. I'd wager their corporate overlords are quite pleased.

    27. Re:three words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The days when only so-called "smartphones" could run web browsers are long gone

      They sure are. 5 years ago I got a Nokia 3220, which is most definitely NOT a smartphone, but it had a crappy built-in browser, and you could download and install an Opera as well.

      Sure, browsing was almost impossible with the 128x128 screen, but with text-based content it was just about possible.

  13. Virtual keyboards? Why not Dasher? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since touch typing on virtual keyboards is impossible and hence one must be looking at the screen at all times, why not just replace them with a more efficient method such as Dasher? The only downsides I can think of is need for a language-specific predictive model (though it could learn from the user and still be more effective than a virtual keyboard) and lack of support for chording, which could make text entry even more efficient.

  14. iUsed by natehoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From TFA:

    I used each phone in its default mode, as it would present to a brand-new user out of the box. I counted one error for each wrong word in the main text and for each wrong character in the phone number, web address, username and password. In every test I tried not to look at the screen and typed as quickly as I could, allowing the phone to correct any errors. I’m not the world’s fastest typist, so I’m sure some of you could easily beat the absolute times, but as a comparison between devices it’s reasonably valid.

    There's a LOT of use of the word "I" in there. Could it be that he went through an exhaustive process to determine which phone met *gasp* his own personal preferences?

    Well, Paul, that's fantastic. In fact, I happen to agree with you. But you haven't settled the "debate" for anyone but yourself. I think most (but NOT ALL) people would likely agree that a hard keyboard is really tough to beat when you want to type in a lot of text. I know typing anything into my wife's iPod Touch is, for my massively meaty paws, an exercise in utter frustration. I think entering anything more than a URL in it should be given a "circle of hell" difficulty level. And I've really honestly tried to make it work. For those apps that support rotation, the wide-format keyboard is just barely adequate, but WHY DOESN'T SAFARI SUPPORT THIS!?!?!?

    (breathes) But I digress.

    I've seen people who can absolutely whiz-bang on soft keyboards. I don't understand it, but they can. I've also seen people who (believe it or not) do not need to enter any major Tolstoy works into their mobile phone browser on a routine basis. For those people, a hard keyboard is an utter waste of what could be useful screen.

    Personally, you can have my Blackberry 8310 smartphone when you pry it from my cold, dead thumbs. Or replace it with a newer Blackberry Curve (oooh! shiny! 3G please!) or something else with a hard keyboard in a similar form factor. I don't like the postage stamp of a screen, but I enter text. A lot. And I need a physical keyboard until voice recognition stops getting me visits from HR when "I like your idea" gets transcribed as "I'll lick you my dear". I also want something durable, and slideouts seem rather breakable in my big meaty paws.

    So the wide-candybar format with a postage stamp screen is a reasonable compromise. I've been carrying it for about a year and a half now, and while there's always the "wow, if I could get a bigger screen I could have seen that", there's constantly the "oh, dear, I gotta type a whole paragraph, thank FSM for this real keyboard - wonder twin thumbs, ACTIVATE!" I can type about 1/4 to 1/2 as fast as I can on a desktop keyboard, special characters are just one extra keypress unless they are truly bizarro ones, and it just gets done what I need to get done quickly.

    J. L. Slimfingers might be able to throw an iPhone in the air and type "Moby Dick" on it while in flight before it lands. For him, a large screen format is an excellent choice.

    D. Elly Catflower might keep it in a shockproof case and only bring it out with great ceremony and lay it on a safety pad of fine Corinthian leather before using it. For her, a slideout is ideal. Lots of screen, full-on keyboard, and they'll treat it right.

    Me? Big meaty paws, a tendency to bash it against stuff, and a need to enter a lot of text. I got the Blackberry 8310, put it in a big rubbery slipcover, and put that inside an 8800-style leather case. It's at a year and a half, I don't dread typing on it, and it's still going strong with about 2 days of battery life between charges. I haven't even managed to scratch the screen (though the stick-on screen protector helps). I think I chose well.

    For me.

    Not for everyone else.

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  15. physical keyboard == by jsnipy · · Score: 1

    more screen space

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    1. Re:physical keyboard == by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      Really? Last time I looked at something like a Blackberry Curve or Bold, half of the device is the keyboard, therefore the screen has to be made half the size. Nokia have some flip out keyboards, but they make the phone incredibly thick and they can break easily.

    2. Re:physical keyboard == by gtbritishskull · · Score: 1

      Depends on the phone. The android phones with keyboards are pretty nice in my experience.

    3. Re:physical keyboard == by jsnipy · · Score: 1

      Yes "Really" the Android and phones and the ones like it are what i was referring to.

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    4. Re:physical keyboard == by gtbritishskull · · Score: 1

      I was responding to Simon... I wasn't trying to contradict your post. I was replying to his statement about flip out keyboards breaking easily. Maybe I was not clear enough, but I was saying the keyboards on the Android phones are pretty nice (as in they are solid and don't seem prone to breaking easily). Your original post said nothing about keyboard durability so I don't know what your point was in your reply to me.

  16. HTC Dream AKA G1 by Audax_23 · · Score: 1

    I'm very curious how the G1 (HTC Dream) would have compared. The CPU, memory and screen specs are looking a little dated, but from my (albiet limited) observation, the physical keyboard still seem to be a top notch contender. Particularly because of the innate tactile feedback, due to fairly clicky keys, and the perhaps somewhat overlooked factor of the keys being laid out in the standard diagonal orientation, which I've definitely found to be quite advantageous.

    I'm not the worlds fastest typist, but I can touch type, and when I began using that phone, the ability to do so seamlessly transferred to that hardware. Which was interesting since completely different digits are involved. (thumbs vs fingers).

    Am convinced that the speed bottleneck involved in on-screen keyboards is more due to do placing the users visual system inside the control feedback loop, which is inherently slower and consumes more resources.

    1. Re:HTC Dream AKA G1 by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I'm very curious how the G1 (HTC Dream) would have compared. The CPU, memory and screen specs are looking a little dated, but from my (albiet limited) observation, the physical keyboard still seem to be a top notch contender. Particularly because of the innate tactile feedback, due to fairly clicky keys, and the perhaps somewhat overlooked factor of the keys being laid out in the standard diagonal orientation, which I've definitely found to be quite advantageous.

      Any physical keyboard would have been so much faster and more accurate that testing the on screen KB's would have been pointless.

      I have a HTC Dream, the physical KB is the best I've seen on a phone, the keys despite being quite small are easy to press even with my sausage fingers, the keys press in easily with little pressure and depress noticeably (so I instantly know when I've made a keystroke). However I'm going to have to give up the Dream soon as right now, sometimes the programs cant keep up with my typing speed on the physical KB so I might move to the Motorola Milestone.

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  17. I have both kinds of keyboards by generalhavok · · Score: 1

    I have a Droid. Therefore I don't have to decide if I want to use an on screen keyboard or a conventional keyboard. I have both. I have my cake and I get to eat it too. Although I'm not sure which I prefer, as I use both the on-screen and regular keyboard about equally, I think I'm a little faster with the regular keyboard. But for a short text, sometimes it's more convenient to just use the on-screen. Otherwise, I didn't find this article too worth-while.

  18. My $.02... by sootman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've owned two Nokias with physical keyboards (6800 and 6820) and a BlackBerry (Curve 8330--not the best) and an iPhone, and I prefer the iPhone's virtual keyboard by far. Not so much for speed, though some basic testing by me shows they're all comparable, but for ease. The 6800 is large with plastic between the nicely-rounded keys and it's very easy to hit the right one. The 6820 is a bit smaller but the keys are also nicely rounded and typing on that is pretty easy. Both also have dedicated buttons for numbers and some punctuation--hyphen, comma, period, slash, single quote, and more are all primary buttons. Their layouts also closely mimic a PC keyboard with comma, period, slash, semicolon, quote, and equals in roughly the same spots as on a regular keyboard.

    The BlackBerry's keys are smaller and closer together and firmer than either Nokia and I find I've got to press on them with a thumbnail or the bony part of a finger to get them to register and not mash more than one key at a time, and there are no number or punctuation keys AT ALL which makes typing just about anything quite a pain.

    The iPhone only shows letters or numbers/punctuation but since it's virtual the secondary and tertiary buttons are big and easy to find, not like the tiny glyphs you get from sticking two images on one physical key. But the thing I like most about virtual keys is that it only takes a very light tough to register a press, and the clickable area is very large, so typing with the biggest, roundest, softest part of your thumb is a cinch. And because of this, it is by far the easiest to use with one hand. (Though the split-keyboard Nokias are pretty much out of the running in this area, but the BB is similar in size and shape.)

    But anyway, that's just my experience and preference. All that matters is what works best for you.

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    1. Re:My $.02... by natehoy · · Score: 1

      and there are no number or punctuation keys AT ALL [wordpress.com] which makes typing just about anything quite a pain.

      Sure there are, in fact they are screen-printed on the actual keys. The number keys share function with W-E-R, S-D-F, and Z-X-C. You just have to press the ALT key. Either press-and-release ALT then press the key you want (thumb typing), or hold ALT and press the key you want (multiple-finger typing).

      Granted, having real keys for those functions would be nicer, but they work fine.

      Interestingly, I have the exact opposite experience to yours - I can whoosh along with text using the big meatiness of my thumbs on the Blackberry keyboard (I have yet to mash more than one key at a time, and I can literally use the meat of my thumb to type if I choose), but put me in front of the iPhone/iPodTouch soft keyboard and I have to use the tip of my right pinkie - it's the only thing small enough to accurately hit the key I want and backed up by enough precision, and even then I miss a significant percentage of the time.

      But anyway, that's just my experience and preference. All that matters is what works best for you.

      Exactly. Each person needs to physically experience the phone they want before they buy it if they expect to use it for serious data entry. Otherwise, you run into situations like this one - you have a clear preference for one keyboard for a specific reason, and I have a clear preference for another keyboard for the exact same reason. The "hardness" of the BB keyboard prevents me from pressing more than one key at a time, and the tactile feedback is, to me, utterly necessary. I don't want to have to look at my phone to type everything.

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    2. Re:My $.02... by sootman · · Score: 1

      >> and there are no number or punctuation keys AT ALL [wordpress.com] which makes typing just about anything quite a pain.

      > Sure there are, in fact they are screen-printed on the actual keys.

      Right. I meant, they're there, but the Nokias have them as distinct keys--A-Z, 0-9 and eight punctuation keys. 50 buttons on the Nokias versus only 35 on the BB. So things like comma and period and hyphen (which I use all the time) are one press, not two. (And other handy things, like = and % are REALLY hidden on the BB. BTW, one of the keys on the Nokia brings up a character map.) The iPhone makes it 2 taps but since they're bigger they're easier for me to find.

      And I meant to mention: I think it's crappy that the iPad has the SAME keyboard as the iPhone--the iPad has enough room they should have put a number row at the top at the very least--even if only in portrait mode.

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    3. Re:My $.02... by zeroduck · · Score: 1

      And other handy things, like = and % are REALLY hidden on the BB. BTW, one of the keys on the Nokia brings up a character map.

      The Curve is no different. SYM key brings up a character map, then Y or P for those symbols, respectively.

    4. Re:My $.02... by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Agreed, the % is a particular pain at times. :)

      I've gotten used to the comma and period and the others, it's one thumb for alt and the other for the key. I don't really find it slows me down, but it all boils down to what you get used to, I suppose.

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  19. Why physical keyboard is better by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1
  20. Real keyboard wanted! by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    I prefer not to have a keyboard on my smartphone because typing on a tiny keyboard, whether physical or not, is an enormous pain in the ass

    Yes-- complete agreement here.

    What I really want is a full-size keyboard as a detachable accessory. When I'm using the phone as just a phone, or for most simple browsing, I don't need to carry a keyboard around, but when I do need one, I'd like a full-sized one, not the little toys.

    (It doesn't have to have all the useless keys that clutter up most computer keyboards these days-- just the old QWERTY ones.)

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    1. Re:Real keyboard wanted! by babyrat · · Score: 1

      so get a bluetooth keyboard and a jailbroken iphone...

  21. Only half the story by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, it was interesting to see the times he posted, but of course everyone here knows that learning a keyboard takes practice. Months of practice.

    By the end of it, I could type 100wpm on my Zaurus C760 - almost as fast as with a real keyboard. I could type about 60 on my treo 650. I've got an n900 now, and I've been hanging around 50. So there are substantial variances in keyboard quality and layout (at least on these devices) .. but what was more interesting were the learning curves. My speed doubled on the Treo in the first week. It over doubled on the C760 (slowly, over its 5 year lifespan). But I'm not getting any faster on the n900, sadly.

    All of this aside.. the main problem with on-screen keyboards?

    They take up half (or more) of your display!

    This is one point I'm amazed people are able to get beyond. Sure - it's a rare use case... but terminals are unusable with an on-screen keyboard. More commonly, web forms are confusing. I can't even imagine trying to work on a document or spreadsheet. The screen constantly changes as you need to enter data!

    I believe that if you can get by under those conditions, the speed difference between hardware and virtual keyboards is mostly irrelevant. How much data entry are you really doing?

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    1. Re:Only half the story by Ma8thew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They take up half (or more) of your display!

      Yes, but generally smartphones with an on-screen keyboard have a display twice as big.

  22. Typos, awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "it’s a debate that hotted up recently"

    Normally I criticize the summaries for having typos, but this time the article itself has a pretty awesome one!

  23. Why the iPhone keyboard is better by kroyd · · Score: 1
    The iPhone keyboard allows chording - that is, you can hold one key down, press another key, and the other key will be registered as a keypress as well. If you type with more than one finger (or thumb) this will improve the speed.

    This does not work on my Nexus One (android), but I'm not sure about the other platforms.

    Another alternative, which is probably faster than any of the tested keyboards is swype, where you just draw a line which represents the word. There is a public beta at http://beta.swype.com/ (Android only)

    1. Re:Why the iPhone keyboard is better by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      That is not chording and it doesn't improve speed unless the typist makes those specific errors.

  24. Yes, Barely Scientific by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this is a completely legitimate question, but I agree with the author...it's barely scientific. Let's do this again with about 50 people, all who have little to no PDA experience and therefore no bias to one type or another. Then another 50 who are used to physical, and yet another 50 used to on-screen. Run the test and see what the results are. I'm sure more scientific /.ers out there have even better methods but this would at least offer more accurate results than what the author did.

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  25. Re: Translucent Onscreen Keyboards by seawall · · Score: 1
    Some programs (e.g. TouchTerm on the iPhone) have an interesting twist on screen real estate:

    Translucent Keyboard

    I don't like it as much as my old Droid and Palm physical keyboards but it does let me see more of the screen when using an on-screen keyboard by letting me see THROUGH the keyboard.

  26. phone=a computer with skype installed by BlackShirt · · Score: 1

    Where I could by a decent phone with wifi connection and qwerty keyboard? I could buy some fancy phones (iphone, xperia, blackberry,nokia e72) but no dirt cheap models. I tried ipod touch but it feels cold and too heavy on the hand.

    Samsung GT-B3410 sounds most reasonable option. Lacks wifi.
    http://www.pda-247.com/wordpress/2009/12/a-smartphone-for-under-80-meet-the-samsung-gt-b3410/

  27. Virtual Keyboard - glass or plastic screen? by Hodar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All virtual keyboards are NOT created equal.

    One of the primary differences is the backing material of the touch screen. The cheaper phones utilize a plastic backing on the touchscreen, this plastic will bend, warp and cause 'typos' even if your finge is precisely where it's supposed to be. Glass does not flex, or warp - but is more expensive. This is why the iPhone gives such a superior performance on the virtual keyboard, as they have a glass backing.

    I think many of the problems with virtual keyboards is due to the cheaper touchscreens utilize the flexible plastic backing behind the flexible membrane - thus adding distortion to the pressure point matrix - resulting in typo's that are indeed the "phone's fault".

    It would be interesting to see this sort of study conducted with external keyboards, virtual (glass) and virtual (plastic) keyboards.

    I'm switching to the Droid for the option of not only abandoning my cheap plastic backing on my touchscreen LG Dare; but also because I'll have the option of the slide out keyboard.

  28. don't mod me redundant, but by archangel9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He also didn't mention what order he tested the phones in. If he wanted to be fair (not even going to stretch it to "scientific") he would type different passages, numbers and URLs on each phone. I'm sure by the last test he had the text almost memorized, so the latter phones probably ended up with shorter times and less mistakes. Just guessing, but the Nokia E75 and the Bold2 were probably last to be tested.

  29. alternative keypad design by gibson123 · · Score: 1

    I have followed this company for sometime, with a novel keypad idea: http://www.digitwireless.com/ I have yet to see it in the marketplace though. I once spoke to the inventor who holds the patent.

  30. What a waste of time by Targon · · Score: 1

    So, the author decides to post about experiences with those six devices, leaving out MANY other devices. The old Palm Treo is very dated at this point, but still good for comparison purposes. How about the Palm Pre, or any of the other lesser known phones that have a keyboard? You may as well just go into your local hardware store and compare surge protectors and then claim it is news, without mentioning that a hardware store isn't going to give enough of a selection to make any sort of comparison meaningful.

  31. Get an external keyboard if you hate the phone one by nikomo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have a Nokia E51 so it has the good old basic 3-letters and a number per key (except 7 has 4 letters). Today I ordered a 18€ bluetooth keyboard for my cellphone so I can type like mad on the cellphone. Symbian-version of Putty + server at home + small, pocket-sized bluetooth keyboard + 3.5G connection = enjoyment

  32. I like a physical KB, but... by toadlife · · Score: 1

    As someone who has never owned an iphone, I never understood why iphone users raved so much about their on-screen keyboards, until I got my current phone. My previous phones were the Blackbery Pearl and then the t-mobile wing. The Pearl of course has no touch screen and the Wing's screen was too small and the hardware too underpowered to make a decent on-screen keyboard feasible. My current phone, the touch pro 2, has the finger friendly on-screen keyboard and on-the-fly error correction that the iphone has had since it's inception and I've come to really enjoy it for typing emails and notes. I still value the slide out keyboard for tasks that require numbers and symbols though. The T-Mobile version of the Touch Pro 2 has a dedicated number row at the top, which is incredibly useful and, IMO, makes it superior to other versions of the Touch Pro 2.

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  33. Missing Rinnger: the HTC hero! by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

    Disclaimer: I own a G1, nonetheless I'm fairly certain my view here is correct:

    The hero's with it's well spaced out keys would of crushed the others, and is the reason I didn't choose a clque, or mytouch/hero and why I haven't upgraded to the N900, droid or nexus one. Moreover, I previously had a tilt (htc kaiser), and had tried the N900 for a couple weeks, the keyboards for both are very similar to the nokia 75. Without the spacing between the keys, there's no way one can be as accurate as the hero (g1).

  34. Meh by binford2k · · Score: 1

    All this article shows is that the author can type better on a physical keyboard. Nothing else. What a waste of 30 seconds of my time.

  35. Oblig Iphone mention by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

    Ah yes, the obligitary Iphone mention.

    Why pick the Iphone? By that logic, there are billions of phones without a real keyboard. But it's ludicrous to claim that therefore, people prefer not having a keyboard, all things being equal.

    You could only test this if there were two phones, equal in all ways (including price), except that one had a real keyboard, and the other did not. The Iphone adds nothing to this discussion, no more than my 5800, or indeed my old Motorola V980, or the dumb phone I had before that.

  36. Missing option: handwriting! by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

    I have an Android phone, and while the on-screen keyboard is okay, it does have severe disadvantages (as explained by others above).

    The thing that I miss the most is definitely handwriting recognition -- it allows a small device to have a relatively big UI during input, it is not affected by regional layout differences, and it's fairly easy to extend and personalise by the individual user. TealScript is a prime example, really, doing full-screen transparent handwriting capture for any application.

    Too bad most (all?) modern phone OS'es are too badly broken to even allow something like this to be implemented by a 3rd party (or even without serious core OS design changes).

    1. Re:Missing option: handwriting! by toadlife · · Score: 1

      Windows Mobile has had excellent handwriting recognition built in from the beginning.

      One problem with modern phones and handwriting recognition are the new capacitive touch screens. They don't work with traditional phone styluses. HTC recently patented a thin stylus that works with capacitive screens yet has the same accuracy as it would with a resistive screen. I would bet that styluses, and built-in handwriting recognition will be a feature of HTC's Android phones in the near future.

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  37. Re:STEPS IN OVERCOMING MASTURBATION by randy+of+the+redwood · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    A radio station in California (KOME) used to claim it is physically impossible to over cum.

    And remember - don't touch that dial, there's kome on it.

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  38. Regrettably... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regrettably, the best keyboard I've used on a Smartphone was on a Danger Sidekick, by far.

  39. Lame by LandGator · · Score: 1

    Test didn't include the Nokia E90, far and away the best keyboard of any smartphone (6 rows).

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  40. Re:Bias? and the training effect by brisvegasdan · · Score: 1

    never mind the learning effect of typing the same phrase multiple times, it normally favours the later trials so maybe a baseline offset is required and the last phone might come in a bit slower than thought. Of course to be truly scientific he should have worn two blind folds? FWIW anyone debunking evidence based research would do well to participate in a double blind crossover trial of efficacy of parachutes since they have never been proven to be effective through the use of a control group ;)

  41. No Nokia 900? by RichiH · · Score: 1

    Everyone who has ever tried both the E75 and the N900 knows that the N900 beats the E75 hands down. I don't know how they could not include that in the test. Pity, really.

  42. How did this make it? by mix77 · · Score: 1

    How in the world did this make it? Are there no hardware stories at all?

  43. Virtual keyboards are not for good typists by isoutar · · Score: 1

    If you are good at typing you can do it in the dark at high speed. Impossible on a virtual keyboard with any accuracy. I have abandoned all my devices that use virtual keyboards. Netbooks for me ... never a tablet! Ian Soutar Victoria BC http://www.microsec.net/

  44. Touch is best in my experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After 18 months with an iPhone type at around 30 words per minute. The auto correct fixes typos in every tenth word or so, giving near perfect accuracy. It's nothing compared to the 100 wpm I get on a PC keyboard, but definitely good enough (I'm writing this on it).

    Lately I've started "touch" typing, where I look at the words rather than the keys.

    When I pick up my gf's nokia with a hardware, I'm screwed. I can barely type at all... I can't seem to get out of the habit of touching the keys without physical force.

    For me, it not even a matter of feel, I don't want to have to push a key, a light tap feels much faster. I even wonder if I could beat my 100 wpm on conventional keyboards with a touch surface big enough to use 10 fingers.