I don't pay for my desktop OS. I don't pay for my laptop OS. I don't pay for my phone OS. I don't pay any major carrier's price for my phone service - the resellers offer the same services, at about 80% discount.
No, I'm not about to pay for updates for my phone's OS. There are enough alternatives to avoid paying for either the OS or it's updates. Cyanogen mod hasn't started charging for access to it's servers, have they?
I might be willing to pay an extra dollar to my carrier, if they BLOCK all those updates, advertising, malware, etc. Might be willing, I say.
So what you are really saying is that you are a total LEECH, proud of it.
everyone's been sucked into the whirlpool of razor-thin profit margins, and nobody can afford the luxury of dedicating too many resources to after-sales care.
Hmmm. I know of at least ONE Cellphone OEM that hasn't fallen for the deadly "Race To The Bottom"...
Funny. That also happens to be the same OEM who has a (deserved) reputation for not only supporting the vast majority of their mobile devices for longer than pretty much everyone else, but also rolling-out most Security Updates in a very timely manner.
I'm sorry that most things in life require you to exert at least a little brainpower. As an Apple user, I know it goes against your lazy and entitled nature.
40 years employed as an embedded Dev. Got tired of chasing Contract Work. Currently employed writing some Windows ERP Stuff.
Lazy and Entitled; that's hilarious! I haven't taken a vacation in about a decade.
Why did you pick 2005 for the year you want Windows' look and feel to be stuck in? XP was released in 2001, Vista was released in 2007, and 7 was released in 2009. Personally I prefer the Windows 7 look and feel.
Sorry. That was a badly-phrased sentence on my part, based on trying to tie-in with the GP's comment about OS X.
What I meant was "before Metro" (which would be like what you said, 2009).
IOW, the GP was complaining that OS X "looked old", and I was TRYING to counter that most Slashdotters WANT Windows to "look old" (as opposed to "looking 'new' (i.e. Metro)").
If you have been installing the security updates, then yes, you have been infected by this malware.
I disabled ALL updates on my Win7 laptop a couple of months ago, as soon as I heard that MS had back-ported Telemetry to Win 7; but I don't know whether I did it in time to avoid those "(in)Security Updates". That's why I asked the original question.
Fortunately for me, I am only inflicted with Windows on my work machine; so it's more of an academic exercise that I watch with bemusement than a "OMG" thing for me.
As of yesterday, I am down to the 1 holdout, and fortunately the W10 thing doesn't apply to that one:)
Looks like you dodged the W10 Support-Bullet with your name on it, then... Good Job!!!
You stupid fucking Apple piece of shit. Had you used the batch file that was linked, your issue would have been solved. If you had any of the malware, it would have gotten rid of it, if you didn't then it wouldn't have harmed anything.
Clearly for someone who is as unknowledgeable about technology as you are, it's better to be safe than sorry. On second thought, Windows 10 is made for morons like you so you might as well just upgrade.
I know we were talking about Windows; but your " response" is yet Another fine example of why no one likes the Linux "community". That is EXACTLY what almost ALL Linux noobs experience when posting in Linux forums asking for help.
Yes, you have to be using it; but you can completely restore an OS X system to a point in time with pretty fine granularity (every hour), even across an OS Upgrade.
Back to classic MacOS? Because Windows 10 is Microsofts attempt to be like OS x (hence the name Windows 10).
No, back to a previous version of OS X. Time Machine didn't exist until OS X 10.5.
And Windows copying OS X happened WAAAAY before W 10.
It's a good thing, but precisely because it goes back to exposing the internal computer's bus like PCMCIA, PCCard did on 90s PC laptops:)
Actually, Apple had laptops with PCMCIA slots, too. So there!;-)
One of the things I like about the "dongle" approach is that it provides at least a degree of ESD protection to the motherboard. To an extent, if you do something to toast that TB DVI port, it MAY not reach back to the mobo, and all you have to replace is a $30 dongle, instead of a $500 mobo.
Funny. Because, if we go back and look at what the Slashdotters said at the time, the "mood" of most posters seems to be that Creative was only suing Apple because they were looking for some deep pockets to mine, and that Apple had "put it all together" with the iPod.
My Macbook also runs an older version of OSX, and I definitely don't want to upgrade it. But on regular intervals there is a notification explaining that the system could be oh so much better if I just click on that upgrade button.
They might not force you to upgrade, but they sure like telling me that I should.
OSX has become consistently worse since somewhere around 10.5 and unless I hear about a single real improvement in Capitan, I'm not using it.
You used the term "MacBook", so I assume you have an Intel Mac.
I'm not sure what you are calling "Consistently Worse"; but I would call that an oversimplification. To be sure, and like with ANY OS, there is a bit of Ebb and Flow, or Tick and Tock, concerning versions that introduce new/rethought features and core concepts, versus versions where those changes are polished and the OS re-stabilized. OS X has followed this pattern for quite awhile. Kind of like Star Trek Movies: The Even-Numbers are the Best...
El Capitan is OS X 10.11; so...
But, even allowing for "skipping the Odd versions", or similar upgrade patterns, OS X has just NOT been getting Worse; rather, it is maturing into something not JUST NeXTStep with a GUI Cocoa Shell. Things like Core Audio, Core Animation, launchd, GCD, Metal, Timer Coalescing, File Versioning, "Restore System State", App Handoff, etc, etc, ET CETERA, are undeniably ALL *IMPROVEMENTS* that simply didn't exist in 10.4 (except launchd).
Full disclosure: I ran 10.4 (Tiger) until I just couldn't run it anymore in a practical sense; so I feel ya. BUT...
But, for all that change, a LOT of things stay the same. Also, I think that if you compared the UI changes with ANY other OS, including Linux, you'd have to agree that, despite some minor UI changes over the years, that OS X has, at this point, the hands-down most consistent UI over time. In fact, the UI of El Capitan has more in common with MacOS (Classic) 1.4 than Windows has from 7 to 8 to 8.1 to 10...
Who is this 'we'? Do you have a hamster in your pocket or is that your iPhone buzzing?
My phone has an ARM processor, and until I can install iOS on it, that's an irrelevant spam topic to bring into this discussion.
So when is Apple going to start selling an iOS I can install? Or is their code so fragile it only runs on a precious few devices?
Not that your snarky ass deserves a reply; but as almost everyone knows, Apple considers themselves a HARDWARE company. They make their money on HARDWARE sales.
So, if you want iOS, as you obviously do, you'll just have to purchase the HARDWARE WRAPPER for it.
I know that Google will find you a list of Windows Updates to avoid, but you will know for sure if you run a free tool called "Fiddler" that is meant to be used to debug web applications. It will log all those calls to Microsoft's telemetry servers. Many of them begin with vortex.data.microsoft.com
Time Machine saved my arse countless times in the past, and it the thing that I miss most about Macs. However, at least (circa 2010 or so) there was no mechanism for choosing an update schedule. And it takes a bit more knowledge than most users possess to google the command to run it manually from the CLI and create a cronjob.
There is at least one free haxie (probably a GUI-wrapped AppleScript application) that lets you change the schedule
Does doing an install/restore from a Time Machine backup still break things in weird and wonderful ways? I did an install/restore on to an old MacBook of mine and it permanently disabled FileVault for that install. I had to do a clean install followed by a restore to get it working again.
I don't know; but it has gone perfectly for the two machines I have seen it tried on.
FYI, IIRC, there's at least 3 KBs related to the W10 update "virus" which as of just recently added Windows Update itself as a 4th with the recommended setting for W10. There's at least 10 related to telemetry junk. I have not kept up, because I took my own advice years ago and switched to alternative systems where ever possible, and am actively moving those that request my support to alternatives as well. No one has been upset that has moved. That says something about the level of pain that MS is inflicting on people. Of my last 3 holdouts, 1 is actively looking to switch, 1 is pretty open to it, and one is of the opinion that they'll pry XP out of their cold dead fingers.
Fortunately for me, I am only inflicted with Windows on my work machine; so it's more of an academic exercise that I watch with bemusement than a "OMG" thing for me.
They're likely just going to discontinue the name but keep on going. Wasn't the whole excuse of the system that all apps were forced to use that they could vet the ad (and of course, take a large cut of the profits)?
Also, how is discontinuing their in-house ad system which gives them the option of vetting ads before being published going to stop other ad providers from continuing this behaviour?
I don't see how this makes sense.
Seriously dude/dudette. Your comments are wrong on so many levels that I can't begin to address all the wrong assumptions and mistatements. But I'll give it a shot:
iAd was created so that people who wanted to publish Freeware to the App Store could still have a Revenue Stream if they wished. The program was entirely voluntary.
Yes, Apple would take their customary 30% of iAd Click-Throughs (just like every other App Store); and of course that was seen by Apple as a way to help offset their cost of hosting/listing the Freeware, which they do (and continue to do) for free. I'm not sure why that is seen as Teh Evilz, since it is the Freeware Developer that CHOOSES to participate in iAd or not. It is not, and never was, a "condition" for Posting Freeware to the iOS App Store.
And yes, it was also used as a way to have Apple "vet" any embedded Ads in iOS Apps. However, I am fairly certain that, with the discontinuation of iAd, it will go back to the "No Ads" restriction (except in-App Purchases, which are a different thing), like it was before iAd.
I think it came down to being "Not worth it" for the extra administration costs, and ever-prevalent and getting-trickier malware threats.
The very last thing that Apple needed was news that some Malware was being distributed through iAd; and I will bet that they saw that coming.
Wow, You're confusing things. The ability to recognize speech without training by each speaker is, yes, a great advancement. Having speaker identification, used for preference, is totally different. Stop trolling. If you're not trolling, then unfortunately, your just a an idiot.
I'm not trolling; nor am I an idiot. I'm an embedded developer with nearly 4 decades of paid experience; so I think I understand the issues involved.
Maybe (probably) we have gotten to the point where we can separate pitch, cadence and other "identifying factors" from the actual "words" themselves. In that regard, perhaps it would be possible to distinguish speakers reliably (however I kind of doubt it). Things like siblings of the same gender/age and mood of the speaker might be enough to make that an unreliable mess at this point.
First, it's already a done deal. Samsung Knox, TouchWiz, and on and on -- and different, incompatible versions from each IHV -- are considered by these companies' executives to be their "crown jewels". They're "distinguishing" factors that set them apart from other handset makers. You would actually break a fair number of Android apps by going back and retroactively removing these incompatible subsystems, since a number of apps actually use them.
So, what you are saying is that, as we all suspected all along, Android is nothing more than a hopelessly fragmented, hopelessly buggy, hopelessly LOST piece of unmitigated dogshit.
The best thing that Google could do for Android is SCRAP IT AND START OVER. Anything else will only prolong the cruel joke on its victims, er users...
Say what you will about Apple and its "Walled Garden" approach; but they figured out how to manage this a long time ago. They kept the Carriers out of their OS from the get-go, and they struck a pretty good balance overall between freedom and safety.
And now that you can, for free, no Dev. license required, upload anything you want to compile yourself onto your own iOS device, using their Free Dev. Toolchain and your choice of several Languages, there essentially aren't many restrictions left for the code-savvy iOS user. You can even use your own APIs if you aren't distributing through the App Store.
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I don't pay for my desktop OS. I don't pay for my laptop OS. I don't pay for my phone OS. I don't pay any major carrier's price for my phone service - the resellers offer the same services, at about 80% discount.
No, I'm not about to pay for updates for my phone's OS. There are enough alternatives to avoid paying for either the OS or it's updates. Cyanogen mod hasn't started charging for access to it's servers, have they?
I might be willing to pay an extra dollar to my carrier, if they BLOCK all those updates, advertising, malware, etc. Might be willing, I say.
So what you are really saying is that you are a total LEECH, proud of it.
everyone's been sucked into the whirlpool of razor-thin profit margins, and nobody can afford the luxury of dedicating too many resources to after-sales care.
Hmmm. I know of at least ONE Cellphone OEM that hasn't fallen for the deadly "Race To The Bottom"...
Funny. That also happens to be the same OEM who has a (deserved) reputation for not only supporting the vast majority of their mobile devices for longer than pretty much everyone else, but also rolling-out most Security Updates in a very timely manner.
I wonder if they're on to something...?
I couldn't possibly think of a better way to sell OS X
FTFY.
I'm sorry that most things in life require you to exert at least a little brainpower. As an Apple user, I know it goes against your lazy and entitled nature.
40 years employed as an embedded Dev. Got tired of chasing Contract Work. Currently employed writing some Windows ERP Stuff.
Lazy and Entitled; that's hilarious! I haven't taken a vacation in about a decade.
Now kindly PISS OFF.
Why did you pick 2005 for the year you want Windows' look and feel to be stuck in? XP was released in 2001, Vista was released in 2007, and 7 was released in 2009. Personally I prefer the Windows 7 look and feel.
Sorry. That was a badly-phrased sentence on my part, based on trying to tie-in with the GP's comment about OS X.
;-P
What I meant was "before Metro" (which would be like what you said, 2009).
IOW, the GP was complaining that OS X "looked old", and I was TRYING to counter that most Slashdotters WANT Windows to "look old" (as opposed to "looking 'new' (i.e. Metro)").
Does that help???
Facepalm...
If you have been installing the security updates, then yes, you have been infected by this malware.
I disabled ALL updates on my Win7 laptop a couple of months ago, as soon as I heard that MS had back-ported Telemetry to Win 7; but I don't know whether I did it in time to avoid those "(in)Security Updates". That's why I asked the original question.
Fortunately for me, I am only inflicted with Windows on my work machine; so it's more of an academic exercise that I watch with bemusement than a "OMG" thing for me.
As of yesterday, I am down to the 1 holdout, and fortunately the W10 thing doesn't apply to that one :)
Looks like you dodged the W10 Support-Bullet with your name on it, then... Good Job!!!
You stupid fucking Apple piece of shit. Had you used the batch file that was linked, your issue would have been solved. If you had any of the malware, it would have gotten rid of it, if you didn't then it wouldn't have harmed anything.
Clearly for someone who is as unknowledgeable about technology as you are, it's better to be safe than sorry. On second thought, Windows 10 is made for morons like you so you might as well just upgrade.
I know we were talking about Windows; but your " response" is yet Another fine example of why no one likes the Linux "community". That is EXACTLY what almost ALL Linux noobs experience when posting in Linux forums asking for help.
Back to classic MacOS? Because Windows 10 is Microsofts attempt to be like OS x (hence the name Windows 10).
No, back to a previous version of OS X. Time Machine didn't exist until OS X 10.5.
And Windows copying OS X happened WAAAAY before W 10.
It's a good thing, but precisely because it goes back to exposing the internal computer's bus like PCMCIA, PCCard did on 90s PC laptops :)
Actually, Apple had laptops with PCMCIA slots, too. So there! ;-)
One of the things I like about the "dongle" approach is that it provides at least a degree of ESD protection to the motherboard. To an extent, if you do something to toast that TB DVI port, it MAY not reach back to the mobo, and all you have to replace is a $30 dongle, instead of a $500 mobo.
...says the poster with the fanboi name...
Funny. Because, if we go back and look at what the Slashdotters said at the time, the "mood" of most posters seems to be that Creative was only suing Apple because they were looking for some deep pockets to mine, and that Apple had "put it all together" with the iPod.
So, I guess those were all "fanbois" too, eh?
My Macbook also runs an older version of OSX, and I definitely don't want to upgrade it. But on regular intervals there is a notification explaining that the system could be oh so much better if I just click on that upgrade button.
They might not force you to upgrade, but they sure like telling me that I should.
OSX has become consistently worse since somewhere around 10.5 and unless I hear about a single real improvement in Capitan, I'm not using it.
You used the term "MacBook", so I assume you have an Intel Mac.
I'm not sure what you are calling "Consistently Worse"; but I would call that an oversimplification. To be sure, and like with ANY OS, there is a bit of Ebb and Flow, or Tick and Tock, concerning versions that introduce new/rethought features and core concepts, versus versions where those changes are polished and the OS re-stabilized. OS X has followed this pattern for quite awhile. Kind of like Star Trek Movies: The Even-Numbers are the Best...
El Capitan is OS X 10.11; so...
But, even allowing for "skipping the Odd versions", or similar upgrade patterns, OS X has just NOT been getting Worse; rather, it is maturing into something not JUST NeXTStep with a GUI Cocoa Shell. Things like Core Audio, Core Animation, launchd, GCD, Metal, Timer Coalescing, File Versioning, "Restore System State", App Handoff, etc, etc, ET CETERA, are undeniably ALL *IMPROVEMENTS* that simply didn't exist in 10.4 (except launchd).
Full disclosure: I ran 10.4 (Tiger) until I just couldn't run it anymore in a practical sense; so I feel ya. BUT...
But, for all that change, a LOT of things stay the same. Also, I think that if you compared the UI changes with ANY other OS, including Linux, you'd have to agree that, despite some minor UI changes over the years, that OS X has, at this point, the hands-down most consistent UI over time. In fact, the UI of El Capitan has more in common with MacOS (Classic) 1.4 than Windows has from 7 to 8 to 8.1 to 10...
Thanks!
as we all suspected all along,
Who is this 'we'? Do you have a hamster in your pocket or is that your iPhone buzzing?
My phone has an ARM processor, and until I can install iOS on it, that's an irrelevant spam topic to bring into this discussion.
So when is Apple going to start selling an iOS I can install? Or is their code so fragile it only runs on a precious few devices?
Not that your snarky ass deserves a reply; but as almost everyone knows, Apple considers themselves a HARDWARE company. They make their money on HARDWARE sales.
So, if you want iOS, as you obviously do, you'll just have to purchase the HARDWARE WRAPPER for it.
I know that Google will find you a list of Windows Updates to avoid, but you will know for sure if you run a free tool called "Fiddler" that is meant to be used to debug web applications. It will log all those calls to Microsoft's telemetry servers. Many of them begin with vortex.data.microsoft.com
Interesting, thanks!
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Work computer, smartass. And my work is unfortunately developing Windows Applications.
Time Machine saved my arse countless times in the past, and it the thing that I miss most about Macs. However, at least (circa 2010 or so) there was no mechanism for choosing an update schedule. And it takes a bit more knowledge than most users possess to google the command to run it manually from the CLI and create a cronjob.
There is at least one free haxie (probably a GUI-wrapped AppleScript application) that lets you change the schedule
Here's my personal page I follow for avoiding Win10 & Telemetry:
http://game-point.net/misc/dontEnableAutomaticUpdates/
Thanks! And I didn't get you anything... ;-)
Why aren't there any OLED 17" laptops?
Cost.
Does doing an install/restore from a Time Machine backup still break things in weird and wonderful ways? I did an install/restore on to an old MacBook of mine and it permanently disabled FileVault for that install. I had to do a clean install followed by a restore to get it working again.
I don't know; but it has gone perfectly for the two machines I have seen it tried on.
FYI, IIRC, there's at least 3 KBs related to the W10 update "virus" which as of just recently added Windows Update itself as a 4th with the recommended setting for W10. There's at least 10 related to telemetry junk. I have not kept up, because I took my own advice years ago and switched to alternative systems where ever possible, and am actively moving those that request my support to alternatives as well. No one has been upset that has moved. That says something about the level of pain that MS is inflicting on people. Of my last 3 holdouts, 1 is actively looking to switch, 1 is pretty open to it, and one is of the opinion that they'll pry XP out of their cold dead fingers.
Fortunately for me, I am only inflicted with Windows on my work machine; so it's more of an academic exercise that I watch with bemusement than a "OMG" thing for me.
They're likely just going to discontinue the name but keep on going. Wasn't the whole excuse of the system that all apps were forced to use that they could vet the ad (and of course, take a large cut of the profits)?
Also, how is discontinuing their in-house ad system which gives them the option of vetting ads before being published going to stop other ad providers from continuing this behaviour?
I don't see how this makes sense.
Seriously dude/dudette. Your comments are wrong on so many levels that I can't begin to address all the wrong assumptions and mistatements. But I'll give it a shot:
iAd was created so that people who wanted to publish Freeware to the App Store could still have a Revenue Stream if they wished. The program was entirely voluntary.
Yes, Apple would take their customary 30% of iAd Click-Throughs (just like every other App Store); and of course that was seen by Apple as a way to help offset their cost of hosting/listing the Freeware, which they do (and continue to do) for free. I'm not sure why that is seen as Teh Evilz, since it is the Freeware Developer that CHOOSES to participate in iAd or not. It is not, and never was, a "condition" for Posting Freeware to the iOS App Store.
And yes, it was also used as a way to have Apple "vet" any embedded Ads in iOS Apps. However, I am fairly certain that, with the discontinuation of iAd, it will go back to the "No Ads" restriction (except in-App Purchases, which are a different thing), like it was before iAd.
I think it came down to being "Not worth it" for the extra administration costs, and ever-prevalent and getting-trickier malware threats.
The very last thing that Apple needed was news that some Malware was being distributed through iAd; and I will bet that they saw that coming.
Wow, You're confusing things. The ability to recognize speech without training by each speaker is, yes, a great advancement. Having speaker identification, used for preference, is totally different. Stop trolling. If you're not trolling, then unfortunately, your just a an idiot.
I'm not trolling; nor am I an idiot. I'm an embedded developer with nearly 4 decades of paid experience; so I think I understand the issues involved.
Maybe (probably) we have gotten to the point where we can separate pitch, cadence and other "identifying factors" from the actual "words" themselves. In that regard, perhaps it would be possible to distinguish speakers reliably (however I kind of doubt it). Things like siblings of the same gender/age and mood of the speaker might be enough to make that an unreliable mess at this point.
While I may be flippant above, it actually is the right answer for 99% of windows users, including most admins.
I suppose you are right, thanks; but I was really only wanting to know about the Telemetry malware.
First, it's already a done deal. Samsung Knox, TouchWiz, and on and on -- and different, incompatible versions from each IHV -- are considered by these companies' executives to be their "crown jewels". They're "distinguishing" factors that set them apart from other handset makers. You would actually break a fair number of Android apps by going back and retroactively removing these incompatible subsystems, since a number of apps actually use them.
So, what you are saying is that, as we all suspected all along, Android is nothing more than a hopelessly fragmented, hopelessly buggy, hopelessly LOST piece of unmitigated dogshit.
The best thing that Google could do for Android is SCRAP IT AND START OVER. Anything else will only prolong the cruel joke on its victims, er users...
Say what you will about Apple and its "Walled Garden" approach; but they figured out how to manage this a long time ago. They kept the Carriers out of their OS from the get-go, and they struck a pretty good balance overall between freedom and safety.
And now that you can, for free, no Dev. license required, upload anything you want to compile yourself onto your own iOS device, using their Free Dev. Toolchain and your choice of several Languages, there essentially aren't many restrictions left for the code-savvy iOS user. You can even use your own APIs if you aren't distributing through the App Store.