Random update? No. But, Apple can, without a doubt, force an update on this, or any iPhone, without any user intervention. It's the precedent that they are fighting...
The "social engineering" bit makes you wonder if Apple has done exactly this in other instances. So just lie to apple about the situation with some sufficiently sobby story and they'll open it.
Don't you think that someone that successfully did that would be on the news right now, proclaiming that Apple is lying?
I think they're also aiming to (eventually) use OS updates - which can be done remotely - to hack phones without having to have physical possession. Because seizing the phone can't be done without the owner knowing it, and getting warrants means dealing with judges. If they can do it remotely, they can ignore due process.
Apple CANNOT Force an OS Update onto an iPhone remotely. I requires the User to either bring up the Update function or at the very least, Confirm a Dialog prompt.
And I would doubt Apple can do so even with physical access, without taking the phone apart to expose JTAG (or similar) pins.
What I heard was that the key is required to be a 4-6 length pin. So not only do we know that it is either 4, 5, or 6 characters long, but all characters are 0-9. Which, is ridiculously weak.
That is only slightly over 1 million possible passwords. It would probably take under a second to brute force this password.
Compare this to the general accepted wisdom of 8 alphanumeric characters with punctuation and other special characters. Which comes out to 95^8, or 6 million billion passwords. or 6*10^9 times better.
iOS Passcodes can be up to 50 characters of Alphanumeric + punctuation. So, they CAN be quite complex to brute-force.
Having said that, most people use 4 to 6 numeric chars. But that's on them.
If Apple was telling the truth, the court order should not matter. Apple has already claimed that they cannot decrypt the phone.
That was my thought -- unless Apple isn't telling the truth.
I believe Apple was speaking of iOS devices with the Secure Enclave chip, which began with the iPhone 5s. From what I have heard, this was an iPhone 5c, which did NOT have the SE chip. Therefore, Apple MAY actually be able to hack this particular phone.
So, Apple wasn't lying, it was simply talking about the phones it has been manufacturing for the past few years.
You realize this is nothing new, right? Telephone companies for ages have been required to install mechanisms that allow law enforcement the ability to tap your line. The same has existed for many ISPs & online services as well.
The whole Microsoft battling the US government over data stored in Ireland is just one notable example of this.
Not exactly "Ages". Only since the CALEA was signed into law by Pres. Clinton in 1994.
It has ALWAYS been possible to "Reset Password" on an OS X device. All you need is the Install Disk/Partition. Start the Install Utility, and choose "Reset Password". Choose NEW Password. DONE!
But, I am NOT sure whether this will gain you access to a FileVault-Protected Drive. Someone else will have to weigh-in on that one. My feeling is "No".
However, iOS is different. The Secure Enclave (SE) chip holds the key (literally), and no one, not even Apple, can cause the SE to disgorge said key.
So, your original premise is flawed; because iOS != OS X.
IMHO, that is a LOT worse than simply (and ridiculously) attempting to "ban" certain emojis.
The thing about emojis is that they're intended to be symbols that convey ideas.
If all the words for "homosexual" were banned, homosexuals wouldn't be able to identify each other for the purpose of being in a relationship. This is literally the idea behind newspeak in 1984. Trying to ban people from talking about "gay stuff" is trying to ban being gay. That's sinister.
By contrast, gay marriage bans weren't bans on gay people. Especially when coupled with civil union laws, they were an attempt to protect both sides of the argument from the loudest and most over-litigative from each faction.
Considering the fact that the State has zero business being in the marriage business anyway, I would say your argument clearly outs you as being anti-gay. And considering those laws are universally driven by religious interests, government doubly has no business even entertaining such concepts.
Unfortunately, even the mod system doesn't really help mitigate the echo chamber. The mod system might even make the echo chamber worse when 60% of moderators agree with a comment and 40% disagree especially if they can't distinguish that a comment can be of a different opinion and still contribute.
Well! then unfortunately! those people shouldn't have Mod Points.
I don't want to sound as high-handed as that probably does; but what I mean is that, in the microcosm of Slashdot, being given mod points is somewhat akin to serving on a Jury. In other words, it is Slashdot saying "Here. We trust you enough to let you help pass judgment on individual postings, and so influence and direct the conversation." And, like jury duty, it is no place to "convict" someone, simply because you don't like people with red hair.
I'm not trying to overstate this, honest. What I am saying is that I, too, have had mod points, several times. But I have NEVER used them to downmod someone's post, simply because I think they're full of shit, and certainly not because I like a different computer platform, FFS!
All I ask us that those with mod points extend me the same courtesy that I extend to all of them, even when I am sorely tempted to do a little punish-modding myself...
You might be able to pick one up for next to nothing now. Unfortunately, I don't know if you can still get the latest copies of IRIX or anything else, since SGI is gone now. They were completely free downloads at one point. My disks are also gone.
Well. Considering my iPhone probably has more compute power, it probably wouldn't be as impressive as my memory paints it.
But there for awhile, they were definitely lust-worthy. And timelessly beautiful, too!
Lol, I don't use Linux myself. The reality is, your one eyed Apple support regardless of fact is what gets you modded down.
If you read back through my posts, I almost always try to support my position with links to factual articles. That's a lot different than your assertion of "Apple support regardless of fact."
Oh, and I wish I had.0001 penny for every time some Linux fan posts some absolutely bullshit "fact" (NEVER with any attribution!) about Apple or its "motives", and I watch as that post gets Up-Modded, called "Insightful", "Interesting", etc., while my post refuting the abovementioned gets either completely ignored, or worse yet, downmodded, DESPITE HAVING FACTUAL SUPPORT. I invite you to look at my posting history (I have been on here since 2003 or '04), and go research them in context. In fact, when I start to write a post that I cannot back-up with facts, I almost always will just hit "Cancel" instead of just posting a rant without a factual basis.
THAT's what sucks. And it has gotten REALLY worse over the past few years.
Perhaps what I should REALLY do it stop browsing at -1, so I don't "engage" the idiots.
They were sweet, for quite a while nothing could touch them in the areas they were good at that I had access to. Heck, until the Octanes came around for a demo. Those things were pretty awesome. I picked up an Indigo back in the early 2000s for $100 just to support some software I had. It was a sad day when it left for the donation pile.
I'm jealous! I never got closer to owning one than playing with one running a 3D CAD application at a tradeshow I went to, circa 1979-80. I remember it had this cool, squishy 3D "trackball" that you could push and pull-on to make the wireframe representation of a Corvette or something zoom in and out impossibly fast (for that time).
I'm not sure I could have ever put one out on a trashpile. It is cool-enough looking just to keep around as "geek art". Kind of like nuvo-art-deco...
Perhaps try not constantly posting Apple shilling and see how you get on.
Is it "Linux Shilling" when users continuously trumpet that "Open Source is teh Bestest. Always!"?
If so, then why oh why is it NEVER EVER EVER called that on Slashdot?
However, I don't think you know what the term "Shill" really means.So, here you go.
So, as you should be able to plainly see, an "enthusiast" (which I most certainly am) != a "Shill" (which I most certainly am NOT).
And "free speech" SHOULD apply to everyone here, even Apple enthusiasts, and without fear of Punish-modding. Remember, the Slashdot Axiom: " '-1 Disagree' is NOT a mod option for a reason.".
But obviously, you don't share that opinion, do you?
It's not unusual to see some timestamp issues. It is unusual to see a device crippled so sharply by that. It's VERY unusual for Apple to allow such a range of values- this is the same company that doesn't normally even provide options like "make unread mail appear green instead of blue" or whatever.
But most disturbing is that this would allow any source the iphone trusts for timestamps to mostly disable the phone. I'm not sure whether the iphone prefers to get data from a trusted NTP server or some part of the 3G standard, or if it supports all of that, but it implies that you could...
1- (as just some guy) Set up a wifi network that spoofs whatever the trusted NTP server is, and then assign the epoch date that way.
2- (possibly as some hackery type) Find any way to do the equivalent at a greater level.
3- (as some radio phreak) Find a way to spoof the epoch date with a bogus 3G transmitter....and of course a more sophisticated attacker could probably do more.
Actually, I am pretty sure my iPhone uses a time server provided by my wireless carrier. In fact, you have to specifically turn OFF the "Set date and time automatically" (which is the default setting) to do this. Therefore, I could see a bug like this creeping into iOS at some point along the way, and not getting tested properly. Not wonderful; but perhaps understandable.
Probably because you need to drain power to the clock and a hard reset doesn't do that? When the clock resets, it probably goes back to the equivalent of 1/1/1980 that PCs used to default to.
You are likely correct. You could probably do a factory-defaults Reset; but then you'd have to reconfigure a bunch of stuff or (hopefully) have an iTunes backup to Restore; so letting the battery run down until the clock runs out of juice is probably the least-annoying way to get the clock to Reset to a legal date (assuming you don't have a decent backup).
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But that would set the precedent that Apple must help to unlock every phone the FBI or other law enforcers demand.
Oh, I definitely agree that that's the Gummint's REAL goal here.
The suspects are dead. Are they going to attempt a seance?
Nope, Magic mushrooms, An EEG and Mulder and Scully.
But that didn't even get him access to the Dead. Just the Comatose. BIG difference!
Apple clearly can take that phone, throw it on the bench and have their way with it.
But the FBI isn't offering that. They want Apple to develop a custom FBiOS FOR them.
Random update? No. But, Apple can, without a doubt, force an update on this, or any iPhone, without any user intervention. It's the precedent that they are fighting...
Citation, please?
The "social engineering" bit makes you wonder if Apple has done exactly this in other instances. So just lie to apple about the situation with some sufficiently sobby story and they'll open it.
Don't you think that someone that successfully did that would be on the news right now, proclaiming that Apple is lying?
I think they're also aiming to (eventually) use OS updates - which can be done remotely - to hack phones without having to have physical possession. Because seizing the phone can't be done without the owner knowing it, and getting warrants means dealing with judges. If they can do it remotely, they can ignore due process.
Apple CANNOT Force an OS Update onto an iPhone remotely. I requires the User to either bring up the Update function or at the very least, Confirm a Dialog prompt.
And I would doubt Apple can do so even with physical access, without taking the phone apart to expose JTAG (or similar) pins.
My initial reaction is to mourn the loss of another freedom, but it is in the name of security.
Isn't that always the excuse^h^h^h^h^h^h^h reason?
What I heard was that the key is required to be a 4-6 length pin. So not only do we know that it is either 4, 5, or 6 characters long, but all characters are 0-9. Which, is ridiculously weak. That is only slightly over 1 million possible passwords. It would probably take under a second to brute force this password. Compare this to the general accepted wisdom of 8 alphanumeric characters with punctuation and other special characters. Which comes out to 95^8, or 6 million billion passwords. or 6*10^9 times better.
iOS Passcodes can be up to 50 characters of Alphanumeric + punctuation. So, they CAN be quite complex to brute-force.
Having said that, most people use 4 to 6 numeric chars. But that's on them.
If Apple was telling the truth, the court order should not matter. Apple has already claimed that they cannot decrypt the phone.
That was my thought -- unless Apple isn't telling the truth.
I believe Apple was speaking of iOS devices with the Secure Enclave chip, which began with the iPhone 5s. From what I have heard, this was an iPhone 5c, which did NOT have the SE chip. Therefore, Apple MAY actually be able to hack this particular phone.
So, Apple wasn't lying, it was simply talking about the phones it has been manufacturing for the past few years.
You realize this is nothing new, right? Telephone companies for ages have been required to install mechanisms that allow law enforcement the ability to tap your line. The same has existed for many ISPs & online services as well.
The whole Microsoft battling the US government over data stored in Ireland is just one notable example of this.
Not exactly "Ages". Only since the CALEA was signed into law by Pres. Clinton in 1994.
Apple happily unlocked his Macbook
That is QUITE a different animal.
It has ALWAYS been possible to "Reset Password" on an OS X device. All you need is the Install Disk/Partition. Start the Install Utility, and choose "Reset Password". Choose NEW Password. DONE!
But, I am NOT sure whether this will gain you access to a FileVault-Protected Drive. Someone else will have to weigh-in on that one. My feeling is "No".
However, iOS is different. The Secure Enclave (SE) chip holds the key (literally), and no one, not even Apple, can cause the SE to disgorge said key.
So, your original premise is flawed; because iOS != OS X.
You're a crazy person.
No, I'm not. My Mother had me tested!
IMHO, that is a LOT worse than simply (and ridiculously) attempting to "ban" certain emojis.
The thing about emojis is that they're intended to be symbols that convey ideas.
If all the words for "homosexual" were banned, homosexuals wouldn't be able to identify each other for the purpose of being in a relationship. This is literally the idea behind newspeak in 1984. Trying to ban people from talking about "gay stuff" is trying to ban being gay. That's sinister.
By contrast, gay marriage bans weren't bans on gay people. Especially when coupled with civil union laws, they were an attempt to protect both sides of the argument from the loudest and most over-litigative from each faction.
Considering the fact that the State has zero business being in the marriage business anyway, I would say your argument clearly outs you as being anti-gay. And considering those laws are universally driven by religious interests, government doubly has no business even entertaining such concepts.
Unfortunately, even the mod system doesn't really help mitigate the echo chamber. The mod system might even make the echo chamber worse when 60% of moderators agree with a comment and 40% disagree especially if they can't distinguish that a comment can be of a different opinion and still contribute.
Well! then unfortunately! those people shouldn't have Mod Points.
I don't want to sound as high-handed as that probably does; but what I mean is that, in the microcosm of Slashdot, being given mod points is somewhat akin to serving on a Jury. In other words, it is Slashdot saying "Here. We trust you enough to let you help pass judgment on individual postings, and so influence and direct the conversation." And, like jury duty, it is no place to "convict" someone, simply because you don't like people with red hair.
I'm not trying to overstate this, honest. What I am saying is that I, too, have had mod points, several times. But I have NEVER used them to downmod someone's post, simply because I think they're full of shit, and certainly not because I like a different computer platform, FFS!
All I ask us that those with mod points extend me the same courtesy that I extend to all of them, even when I am sorely tempted to do a little punish-modding myself...
You might be able to pick one up for next to nothing now. Unfortunately, I don't know if you can still get the latest copies of IRIX or anything else, since SGI is gone now. They were completely free downloads at one point. My disks are also gone.
Well. Considering my iPhone probably has more compute power, it probably wouldn't be as impressive as my memory paints it.
But there for awhile, they were definitely lust-worthy. And timelessly beautiful, too!
Lol, I don't use Linux myself. The reality is, your one eyed Apple support regardless of fact is what gets you modded down.
If you read back through my posts, I almost always try to support my position with links to factual articles. That's a lot different than your assertion of "Apple support regardless of fact."
.0001 penny for every time some Linux fan posts some absolutely bullshit "fact" (NEVER with any attribution!) about Apple or its "motives", and I watch as that post gets Up-Modded, called "Insightful", "Interesting", etc., while my post refuting the abovementioned gets either completely ignored, or worse yet, downmodded, DESPITE HAVING FACTUAL SUPPORT. I invite you to look at my posting history (I have been on here since 2003 or '04), and go research them in context. In fact, when I start to write a post that I cannot back-up with facts, I almost always will just hit "Cancel" instead of just posting a rant without a factual basis.
Oh, and I wish I had
THAT's what sucks. And it has gotten REALLY worse over the past few years.
Perhaps what I should REALLY do it stop browsing at -1, so I don't "engage" the idiots.
They were sweet, for quite a while nothing could touch them in the areas they were good at that I had access to. Heck, until the Octanes came around for a demo. Those things were pretty awesome. I picked up an Indigo back in the early 2000s for $100 just to support some software I had. It was a sad day when it left for the donation pile.
I'm jealous! I never got closer to owning one than playing with one running a 3D CAD application at a tradeshow I went to, circa 1979-80. I remember it had this cool, squishy 3D "trackball" that you could push and pull-on to make the wireframe representation of a Corvette or something zoom in and out impossibly fast (for that time).
I'm not sure I could have ever put one out on a trashpile. It is cool-enough looking just to keep around as "geek art". Kind of like nuvo-art-deco...
uses a time server provided by my wireless carrier.
Not exactly. From the cell tower connection itself. For GSM to work, all wireless communication must have access to a nearly perfect time source.
Thanks! I didn't know that.
Perhaps try not constantly posting Apple shilling and see how you get on.
Is it "Linux Shilling" when users continuously trumpet that "Open Source is teh Bestest. Always!"?
If so, then why oh why is it NEVER EVER EVER called that on Slashdot?
However, I don't think you know what the term "Shill" really means.So, here you go.
So, as you should be able to plainly see, an "enthusiast" (which I most certainly am) != a "Shill" (which I most certainly am NOT).
And "free speech" SHOULD apply to everyone here, even Apple enthusiasts, and without fear of Punish-modding. Remember, the Slashdot Axiom: " '-1 Disagree' is NOT a mod option for a reason.".
But obviously, you don't share that opinion, do you?
back in 1988 or so we had a lab full of Mac's in school and the teacher's computer was the only one with a hard drive.
But at that time, most schools had a Corvus Omninet network, or at least an AppleTalk network using "Share" in the Chooser to mount remote volumes.
The gear I'm speaking of was 2 Indigo workstations with upgraded CPUs and Z-Buffer graphics cards used for R&D
Mmmm! The first computer I really lusted after!
Okay guys, calm down. Assuming iOS is really based on OS X, I'll test something on my Mac right this instant.
Setting the clock to january first 1970 right noW. I DO NOT SEE ANY DIFFERENCE.
OH WAIT, ALL THE COLOURS ARE GONE. IN FACT I THINK THE RESOLUTION IS WAY DOWN AND I'M ONLY SEEING PURE BLACK AND WHITE PIXELS.
Are you sure? Actually, it should have looked similar to this.
It's not unusual to see some timestamp issues. It is unusual to see a device crippled so sharply by that. It's VERY unusual for Apple to allow such a range of values- this is the same company that doesn't normally even provide options like "make unread mail appear green instead of blue" or whatever.
But most disturbing is that this would allow any source the iphone trusts for timestamps to mostly disable the phone. I'm not sure whether the iphone prefers to get data from a trusted NTP server or some part of the 3G standard, or if it supports all of that, but it implies that you could...
1- (as just some guy) Set up a wifi network that spoofs whatever the trusted NTP server is, and then assign the epoch date that way. 2- (possibly as some hackery type) Find any way to do the equivalent at a greater level. 3- (as some radio phreak) Find a way to spoof the epoch date with a bogus 3G transmitter. ...and of course a more sophisticated attacker could probably do more.
Actually, I am pretty sure my iPhone uses a time server provided by my wireless carrier. In fact, you have to specifically turn OFF the "Set date and time automatically" (which is the default setting) to do this. Therefore, I could see a bug like this creeping into iOS at some point along the way, and not getting tested properly. Not wonderful; but perhaps understandable.
Probably because you need to drain power to the clock and a hard reset doesn't do that? When the clock resets, it probably goes back to the equivalent of 1/1/1980 that PCs used to default to.
You are likely correct. You could probably do a factory-defaults Reset; but then you'd have to reconfigure a bunch of stuff or (hopefully) have an iTunes backup to Restore; so letting the battery run down until the clock runs out of juice is probably the least-annoying way to get the clock to Reset to a legal date (assuming you don't have a decent backup).
No problem. You can reset your iPhone to factory default by placing it in a microwave oven on high for 2 minutes. ;-)
They patched that. That reset method now only works on Android phones.