That would mean anyone who accused the Times of bias would have facts to back it up while you have none
Call me when he presents some.
You haven't presented any engaging dialogue that would cause me to run off and google links for you, when actually it is public information that you could seek out if you wanted to know about the extant public debate on the issue.
Rather than an interest in that existing debate in society, you want to jump up and down and make accusations of lack of "proof," and not actually provide any thoughtful responses to what was said. You shouldn't need proof just to know that the Times is a respected middle-of-the-road or "mainstream" media source; that it isn't a "liberal" newspaper; and that to actual liberals it is just another right-leaning mainstream media source. These are basic things that are obvious, and don't call out for proof.
If you want to debate the obvious, you'll need to make your attempt more interesting to others.
Nobody has to "support" me, if nobody can find a solution I would be the one engineering one.;)
As for special snowflakes, if we identify one they will be quickly fired. We have no need for the sort of person... you seem to see everywhere you look. Hmm. If you're so critical to the project that you can't be fired, or that you need special considerations, you need to be fired immediately for the preservation of the company. And maybe your project manager. Otherwise we'd be one car crash from total failure, all day, every day. No thank you. If you're so much "better" than your co-workers that you have a better idea of the needed tools than both your peers and your managers, and you work outside of the comics, then you've probably just got a swollen head and didn't check your co-workers capabilities.
If you have a decent team, they can sit down in advance and determine which tools they need. In my experience, the person asking for a special tool is almost always behind schedule, and if you check on them randomly throughout the day you'll find them to not be working. I mean, they already failed to convince people with more experience than them that they need the tool. By definition of the situation.
Odd though that you presume that having a decent workplace makes somebody a snowflake. If you read my actual words, it should be pretty obvious that that isn't described. Having the same toolset for the whole team is not the stuff of "snowflakes."
In a corporate setting, devops can go a long way towards differentiating between poor project management and poor IT practices when conflicts come up.
And that would prove, what? You're waving your hands and pointing at the NY Times.
You don't know that the New York Times is a respected mainstream news source? You're going to try to tar them by association, because they had a bad employee who wrote fake stories... and was caught by them and fired?
You think NBC is not a normal, respected news source? You didn't know the they are middle-of-the-road?
I'll give you a hint... "progressives" think the New York Times leans right. And it does.
And Brietbart is not a reporter, or a journalist. It isn't his line of work. He is a political activist. Wake up.
It is just cable infotainment pap to claim that the NYT is some kind of biased hippy liberal newspaper, therefore Breitbart must be a journalist.
Does your planet have water?
You think that wanting news to be from news sources instead of editorial sources is... an accusation of thought crime? No. No. No thought is accused of having happened here. Absolutely no possibility for thought crime.
You should probably find out what "Free Speech" means before you accuse me (a progressive) of waging war on it.
How is voting in a way you dislike an attack, and how does it oppose Free Speech? It seems like you're the one complaining about people's right to their own opinions.
Maybe they just disagree with you, and voted their conscience, and there is no war on Free Speech. Maybe the Hugo Award isn't even an opportunity to fight over Free Speech. It seems that anybody who can publish a work is allowed to. Who is attacking Free Speech? I'd fight to defend it, but you can't have me attacking it just by saying words. The attempt is you trying to start a war, and failing because nobody is attacking Free Speech. You trying to wage war is not the same as me actually waging war. Get a grip. Did you learn about "progressive" values from Fox News or something? BTW, it is "infotainment," not actual news. By their own description of what they offer.
Because the whole "controversy" is a fake controversy, like all the other fake controversies the same known non-news-sources stir up.
There is no reason to discuss the Hugo Awards, because the linked story is not about the Hugo Awards. It is about how hippies suck and won't let conservatives be a part of culture.
No, the claim is that they're biased and opinionated and not news, and their website is full of controversial opinions, many times stated as if they were facts.
That his fans lie to people about what his content is does really imply a few things about it, though.
lol his fans on here seem to be wandering around trying to claim his website is a source of news. It isn't, of course, it is a hyper-conservative opinion magazine.
I don't really get the purpose in trying to convince people it is news. If they actually click a link and go to the site, they'll understand it isn't a news site after reading... any article there.
All they would do if they tricked somebody into believing it temporarily would be to teach that person that they were lied to. What is the advantage in arguing for a blog/editorial being a news source? What is the goal? It seems like they would have a better chance of recruiting a like-minded soul by being honest about what the site is, and using some positive words that appeal to the type of person who would go on to like the content on the site. Nobody who already has a negative view of the guy is going to change their mind and decide he's a respected journalist because somebody on the internet told them they were wrong.
Nope. She's only editing documents, so it uses the correct type. But even a novice user can be taught to choose the word "excel" in the file save dialog.
If she ever called me from work and said she had the wrong file type, I'd just tell her to put it on google drive, and then click "excel." That is 99% of my use of Google Drive; converting documents on other people's machines without installing anything.
Just keep looking for the word "excel." You will eventually make it work.;) Persistence is more important than knowledge for this type of office-task stuff.
I'm still waiting for e-ink tattoos. *Those* will be awesome.
That's a serendipitous happening that will surely embark us on a journey of unicorns eating rainbows spun into sugar, because it just so happens that I'm waiting for a volunteer to test out my latest e-ink implant we're calling Electro-Tattoo(TM). Sign the "hold harmless" waiver and I will personally oversee your implantation of a Dancing Star-Monkey.
Training is not a cup that the teacher fills for you. If the person complains their cup is empty, and you don't even know if they attended classes or participated constructively, it is very very premature to blame the teacher. If you're willing to blame the teacher before having specific information about what transpired, it shows your "education science" cup is nearly empty.
I agree that it isn't the OS's fault in either case, of course. But there is no information that implicates the IT department. Actually if you look at the public project history, they transitioned to the new applications... on Windows before switching the OS!
"...a hobbyist OS that is so difficult to use...It's 10x more difficult to do even the simplest task.."
Absolute horseshit!
Like my dad taught me... bullshit is just stuff that is wrong and offensive on a day-to-day level. Horseshit is where they knew it was wrong even before they said it, and said it anyway in case you didn't know better, combined with it being offensive anyways. Wrong, dangerous, and knowing. I'd say it applies here.
I can verify that it was indeed the latest Year of Linux on the Desktop. We've got over 2 decades and running! I predict this year will also conclude with Linux still working as a desktop. Paradigm shifters will never defeat us! The Desktop Paradigm Lives! Desktop 4-ever!
There is no way I am going back to having one terminal on the screen at a time. Desktop GUI computing lets me fit half a dozen xterms onto the screen at once. It is Heaven.
It could also be that the complainers helped to set the budget, and are the source of the departmental lack of training. That should be the default assumption when dealing with any sort of "council," "committee," or "board."
Right, because if the company is an exception (makes electronics, is an engineering firm, has a real engineering department, etc) then the employee who needs that access isn't an exception, and those tools are already allowed.
There seems to be a lot of handwaving asserting that "IT" is exclusively synonymous with BOFH, but it just isn't so. The BOFH is the exception, and most companies have people with rather complete knowledge of the business' practices creating the list of what software is needed.
And anything actually needed that is mistakenly excluded will quickly get approved, because a project manager is allowed to talk directly to an IT manager. The reason that it requires "good luck" to "claim you're an exception" is that in this scenario, you're asking for something your own supervisor already looked at and reminded you that you don't need it, and you're trying to get special approval. Or, you asked your supervisor and they decided to smack you with the general policy and deny that they could get an approval in order to passive-aggressively get you to stop asking for things.
My experience as an admin tells me, workers outside of software development needs a special thing installed. Developers have unrestricted workstations, but will require constant admin attention to set up servers, and having dev-ops specialists will really improve this. Generally, even trained developers will not ask for the combination of technologies that meets the existing security requirements; they will ask for whatever the default (or personal preference) setup is, instead of the slightly harder way of doing things that is more secure.
Outside of developers, if the project managers aren't asking for it to be approved for the whole team, then it isn't needed by any of them and somebody just wants to Be Exceptional. And if they're asking for controls to be removed, they should probably be audited to see if they're actually working at work, or gambling/watching pr0n.
I just wanted to toss this in here, my wife doesn't know the difference between the words "internet" and "web browser," but she has no trouble at all using Skype on linux. If you don't know what is under the hood, it is all the same; you click the icon, the application opens, and then the buttons are from the application not the OS.
She knows we're not using windows, but she doesn't know what that means; but she can still use it exactly the same. And if she plugs in a USB drive from work, opens LibreOffice, works on a spreadsheet... and calls it "excel," it doesn't matter and it still works!
This is how it is supposed to be. Users who are not blacksmiths should not worry about the metal used for their plow, but instead they should worry if it can indeed plow the fields they have.
This is computer neophytes telling IT how things work.
Like the pigs running the farm. Like the inmates running the asylum.
Like councillors up to their ears in that Microsoft bribe money.
I really doubt you need to bribe "conservatives" for them to know to hate that lefty "free public infrastructure" software and support The Established For-Profit Company.
Nonsense. Your complaint doesn't hold up. I stand by what I said.
Slashdot linked to the Fox News story. I don't care where they got the pap. They published the drivel, and slashdot linked to it. Both are fully responsible for crap published on these two websites and linked together.
Further, I would assign very little fault to the author, as compared to the publisher. There is a bottomless supply of drivel available for publishing, but a limited number of established publishers. Better writing in a particular piece would just change who or if it got published; if the publisher is publishing lies and drivel, then they would publish that from a different author had the story been better. The author generally couldn't have changed what was published by writing something different. Yet, the publisher can indeed choose to publish something they believe to be honest; if they want to.
I was supporting some POS (Point-Of-Sale, but they were Pieces Of Stuff too) machines that ran windows, and if you unplugged the receipt printer and plugged it back into a different USB port, then you would have to reboot. A keyboard will automatically recover, but a printer driver that an application is already talking to? Stranded, marooned.
There was a hot-fix, by setting some driver options, but if you do that then it breaks when it reboots because it can't automatically assign the ports. And it is willing to assign a port first that the next driver loading will need, so you would have to set all the printer drivers to full manual, meaning re-plugging would require re-configuring of every printer because rebooting would no longer help. So you end "having to" reboot.
And don't think just re-plugging in the original port will clear the problem.
I'm not anti-windows, though I'm not a user and usually refuse to support it. People tell me it is useful to them, and I believe them. It sure seems like a very strange camp to start throwing rocks over... driver issues, of all things. There was a time when linux lacked drivers for many devices. That age ended over a decade ago. I don't think I've lacked a linux driver, or had to install a special one, since cameras and media players started connecting as mass storage devices. So like, 2003.
When you need to use Linux, use it. When you need to use something else, use that.
This is the part the haters can't comprehend. Linux isn't a company. It isn't going to fail if it doesn't increase market share by $UnsustainableMandate % every year.
If you're not sure you need Linux, you don't, and probably shouldn't bother unless you enjoy it. But it won't mean there is something wrong with the choice for others, or that others aren't benefiting in the ways they claim to be.
There is one thing you got wrong though; everybody is a moron. Regardless of argument. So everybody that disagrees really is a moron; along with those who agree, too. And I would like to take a moment to philosophize; if we weren't all morons, we wouldn't benefit from open systems. It is because everybody is a moron that software sucks, and sometimes has to be forced to respect Freedom. Without morons in the world getting in the way, Linus wouldn't have needed to turn a terminal application into an OS just to have a *nix box.
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Off topic, but thank you for stating 'LMGTFY' and not obnoxiously linking to the site with the same name.
Same point, much friendlier :)
Off topic, but I was a little disappointed. It was like a smackdown with a padded glove.
That would mean anyone who accused the Times of bias would have facts to back it up while you have none
Call me when he presents some.
You haven't presented any engaging dialogue that would cause me to run off and google links for you, when actually it is public information that you could seek out if you wanted to know about the extant public debate on the issue.
Rather than an interest in that existing debate in society, you want to jump up and down and make accusations of lack of "proof," and not actually provide any thoughtful responses to what was said. You shouldn't need proof just to know that the Times is a respected middle-of-the-road or "mainstream" media source; that it isn't a "liberal" newspaper; and that to actual liberals it is just another right-leaning mainstream media source. These are basic things that are obvious, and don't call out for proof.
If you want to debate the obvious, you'll need to make your attempt more interesting to others.
Nobody has to "support" me, if nobody can find a solution I would be the one engineering one. ;)
As for special snowflakes, if we identify one they will be quickly fired. We have no need for the sort of person... you seem to see everywhere you look. Hmm. If you're so critical to the project that you can't be fired, or that you need special considerations, you need to be fired immediately for the preservation of the company. And maybe your project manager. Otherwise we'd be one car crash from total failure, all day, every day. No thank you. If you're so much "better" than your co-workers that you have a better idea of the needed tools than both your peers and your managers, and you work outside of the comics, then you've probably just got a swollen head and didn't check your co-workers capabilities.
If you have a decent team, they can sit down in advance and determine which tools they need. In my experience, the person asking for a special tool is almost always behind schedule, and if you check on them randomly throughout the day you'll find them to not be working. I mean, they already failed to convince people with more experience than them that they need the tool. By definition of the situation.
Odd though that you presume that having a decent workplace makes somebody a snowflake. If you read my actual words, it should be pretty obvious that that isn't described. Having the same toolset for the whole team is not the stuff of "snowflakes."
In a corporate setting, devops can go a long way towards differentiating between poor project management and poor IT practices when conflicts come up.
And that would prove, what? You're waving your hands and pointing at the NY Times.
You don't know that the New York Times is a respected mainstream news source? You're going to try to tar them by association, because they had a bad employee who wrote fake stories... and was caught by them and fired?
You think NBC is not a normal, respected news source? You didn't know the they are middle-of-the-road?
I'll give you a hint... "progressives" think the New York Times leans right. And it does.
And Brietbart is not a reporter, or a journalist. It isn't his line of work. He is a political activist. Wake up.
It is just cable infotainment pap to claim that the NYT is some kind of biased hippy liberal newspaper, therefore Breitbart must be a journalist.
Does your planet have water?
You think that wanting news to be from news sources instead of editorial sources is... an accusation of thought crime? No. No. No thought is accused of having happened here. Absolutely no possibility for thought crime.
You should probably find out what "Free Speech" means before you accuse me (a progressive) of waging war on it.
How is voting in a way you dislike an attack, and how does it oppose Free Speech? It seems like you're the one complaining about people's right to their own opinions.
Maybe they just disagree with you, and voted their conscience, and there is no war on Free Speech. Maybe the Hugo Award isn't even an opportunity to fight over Free Speech. It seems that anybody who can publish a work is allowed to. Who is attacking Free Speech? I'd fight to defend it, but you can't have me attacking it just by saying words. The attempt is you trying to start a war, and failing because nobody is attacking Free Speech. You trying to wage war is not the same as me actually waging war. Get a grip. Did you learn about "progressive" values from Fox News or something? BTW, it is "infotainment," not actual news. By their own description of what they offer.
Stop talking to yourself, Coward, you were right the first time. Stop trying to spoil your own insights.
Because the whole "controversy" is a fake controversy, like all the other fake controversies the same known non-news-sources stir up.
There is no reason to discuss the Hugo Awards, because the linked story is not about the Hugo Awards. It is about how hippies suck and won't let conservatives be a part of culture.
No, the claim is that they're biased and opinionated and not news, and their website is full of controversial opinions, many times stated as if they were facts.
That his fans lie to people about what his content is does really imply a few things about it, though.
lol his fans on here seem to be wandering around trying to claim his website is a source of news. It isn't, of course, it is a hyper-conservative opinion magazine.
I don't really get the purpose in trying to convince people it is news. If they actually click a link and go to the site, they'll understand it isn't a news site after reading... any article there.
All they would do if they tricked somebody into believing it temporarily would be to teach that person that they were lied to. What is the advantage in arguing for a blog/editorial being a news source? What is the goal? It seems like they would have a better chance of recruiting a like-minded soul by being honest about what the site is, and using some positive words that appeal to the type of person who would go on to like the content on the site. Nobody who already has a negative view of the guy is going to change their mind and decide he's a respected journalist because somebody on the internet told them they were wrong.
My cat is bright purple
Synesthesia is not a fallacy, you insensitive brute!
Not only not news, and not for nerds... they are openly hostile to the whole concept of honest discourse.
Nope. She's only editing documents, so it uses the correct type. But even a novice user can be taught to choose the word "excel" in the file save dialog.
If she ever called me from work and said she had the wrong file type, I'd just tell her to put it on google drive, and then click "excel." That is 99% of my use of Google Drive; converting documents on other people's machines without installing anything.
Just keep looking for the word "excel." You will eventually make it work. ;) Persistence is more important than knowledge for this type of office-task stuff.
I'm still waiting for e-ink tattoos. *Those* will be awesome.
That's a serendipitous happening that will surely embark us on a journey of unicorns eating rainbows spun into sugar, because it just so happens that I'm waiting for a volunteer to test out my latest e-ink implant we're calling Electro-Tattoo(TM). Sign the "hold harmless" waiver and I will personally oversee your implantation of a Dancing Star-Monkey.
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Training is not a cup that the teacher fills for you. If the person complains their cup is empty, and you don't even know if they attended classes or participated constructively, it is very very premature to blame the teacher. If you're willing to blame the teacher before having specific information about what transpired, it shows your "education science" cup is nearly empty.
I agree that it isn't the OS's fault in either case, of course. But there is no information that implicates the IT department. Actually if you look at the public project history, they transitioned to the new applications... on Windows before switching the OS!
Translation: "Linux is free" often does not factor in real-world retraining and retooling costs.
Free as in Freedom, not Free as in Beer.
Rounding would get you 1% or 2%, so no. It is only a "rounding error" in that you tried to round, and made an error.
"...a hobbyist OS that is so difficult to use...It's 10x more difficult to do even the simplest task.."
Absolute horseshit!
Like my dad taught me... bullshit is just stuff that is wrong and offensive on a day-to-day level. Horseshit is where they knew it was wrong even before they said it, and said it anyway in case you didn't know better, combined with it being offensive anyways. Wrong, dangerous, and knowing. I'd say it applies here.
I can verify that it was indeed the latest Year of Linux on the Desktop. We've got over 2 decades and running! I predict this year will also conclude with Linux still working as a desktop. Paradigm shifters will never defeat us! The Desktop Paradigm Lives! Desktop 4-ever!
There is no way I am going back to having one terminal on the screen at a time. Desktop GUI computing lets me fit half a dozen xterms onto the screen at once. It is Heaven.
It could also be that the complainers helped to set the budget, and are the source of the departmental lack of training. That should be the default assumption when dealing with any sort of "council," "committee," or "board."
Right, because if the company is an exception (makes electronics, is an engineering firm, has a real engineering department, etc) then the employee who needs that access isn't an exception, and those tools are already allowed.
There seems to be a lot of handwaving asserting that "IT" is exclusively synonymous with BOFH, but it just isn't so. The BOFH is the exception, and most companies have people with rather complete knowledge of the business' practices creating the list of what software is needed.
And anything actually needed that is mistakenly excluded will quickly get approved, because a project manager is allowed to talk directly to an IT manager. The reason that it requires "good luck" to "claim you're an exception" is that in this scenario, you're asking for something your own supervisor already looked at and reminded you that you don't need it, and you're trying to get special approval. Or, you asked your supervisor and they decided to smack you with the general policy and deny that they could get an approval in order to passive-aggressively get you to stop asking for things.
My experience as an admin tells me, workers outside of software development needs a special thing installed. Developers have unrestricted workstations, but will require constant admin attention to set up servers, and having dev-ops specialists will really improve this. Generally, even trained developers will not ask for the combination of technologies that meets the existing security requirements; they will ask for whatever the default (or personal preference) setup is, instead of the slightly harder way of doing things that is more secure.
Outside of developers, if the project managers aren't asking for it to be approved for the whole team, then it isn't needed by any of them and somebody just wants to Be Exceptional. And if they're asking for controls to be removed, they should probably be audited to see if they're actually working at work, or gambling/watching pr0n.
I just wanted to toss this in here, my wife doesn't know the difference between the words "internet" and "web browser," but she has no trouble at all using Skype on linux. If you don't know what is under the hood, it is all the same; you click the icon, the application opens, and then the buttons are from the application not the OS.
She knows we're not using windows, but she doesn't know what that means; but she can still use it exactly the same. And if she plugs in a USB drive from work, opens LibreOffice, works on a spreadsheet... and calls it "excel," it doesn't matter and it still works!
This is how it is supposed to be. Users who are not blacksmiths should not worry about the metal used for their plow, but instead they should worry if it can indeed plow the fields they have.
This is computer neophytes telling IT how things work.
Like the pigs running the farm. Like the inmates running the asylum.
Like councillors up to their ears in that Microsoft bribe money.
I really doubt you need to bribe "conservatives" for them to know to hate that lefty "free public infrastructure" software and support The Established For-Profit Company.
Nonsense. Your complaint doesn't hold up. I stand by what I said.
Slashdot linked to the Fox News story. I don't care where they got the pap. They published the drivel, and slashdot linked to it. Both are fully responsible for crap published on these two websites and linked together.
Further, I would assign very little fault to the author, as compared to the publisher. There is a bottomless supply of drivel available for publishing, but a limited number of established publishers. Better writing in a particular piece would just change who or if it got published; if the publisher is publishing lies and drivel, then they would publish that from a different author had the story been better. The author generally couldn't have changed what was published by writing something different. Yet, the publisher can indeed choose to publish something they believe to be honest; if they want to.
It hits worse than just taking 30 seconds.
I was supporting some POS (Point-Of-Sale, but they were Pieces Of Stuff too) machines that ran windows, and if you unplugged the receipt printer and plugged it back into a different USB port, then you would have to reboot. A keyboard will automatically recover, but a printer driver that an application is already talking to? Stranded, marooned.
There was a hot-fix, by setting some driver options, but if you do that then it breaks when it reboots because it can't automatically assign the ports. And it is willing to assign a port first that the next driver loading will need, so you would have to set all the printer drivers to full manual, meaning re-plugging would require re-configuring of every printer because rebooting would no longer help. So you end "having to" reboot.
And don't think just re-plugging in the original port will clear the problem.
I'm not anti-windows, though I'm not a user and usually refuse to support it. People tell me it is useful to them, and I believe them. It sure seems like a very strange camp to start throwing rocks over... driver issues, of all things. There was a time when linux lacked drivers for many devices. That age ended over a decade ago. I don't think I've lacked a linux driver, or had to install a special one, since cameras and media players started connecting as mass storage devices. So like, 2003.
When you need to use Linux, use it. When you need to use something else, use that.
This is the part the haters can't comprehend. Linux isn't a company. It isn't going to fail if it doesn't increase market share by $UnsustainableMandate % every year.
If you're not sure you need Linux, you don't, and probably shouldn't bother unless you enjoy it. But it won't mean there is something wrong with the choice for others, or that others aren't benefiting in the ways they claim to be.
There is one thing you got wrong though; everybody is a moron. Regardless of argument. So everybody that disagrees really is a moron; along with those who agree, too. And I would like to take a moment to philosophize; if we weren't all morons, we wouldn't benefit from open systems. It is because everybody is a moron that software sucks, and sometimes has to be forced to respect Freedom. Without morons in the world getting in the way, Linus wouldn't have needed to turn a terminal application into an OS just to have a *nix box.