> This is just another in a long series of slashdot articles that have pointed out the broken nature of our patent system
I assume you mean the US patent system.
I my section of the world something like this would never see the light of day. From my point of view, there must be many parties of interest, who make billions of dollars (per decade), resulting in the delays in reforms. There is just too much money to be made.
This problem is so bad in the US, it looks like Third World country politics, horifficly infantile
Thanks for the explanation. I've been an avid amiga user for about 15 years, but didn't know this. My handle is also referencing to RAD: the persistant amiga Ram disk, is 'encoded' in it {RemADeus}
The most [b]sneaky[/b] of all these evil interfaces are the ones which ask you for your mobile phone number (like in mafia wars) so they can verify the link between your identity and your name.
I have made sure my FB account has garbage as info (I only use it for MW), and I laugh at the attempts to get any of my phone numbers through the appps
Does Blue Frog Employ DDoS Attacks?
Some points to consider.
One. When any man woman or child on earth receives an Unsolicited Bulk E-mail message, (UCE) it is essentially just an advertisement:
1a. The recipient has been -invited- to visit the advertised service and conduct business. Real Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks are never preceded by an -invitation- from the party that is to be allegedly attacked. By sending the advertisement, the advertiser is consenting to receive a response if the recipient feels so inclined. It is advertisers hope that visiting will yield them money. It's called a market economy.
1b. Dissatisfaction is a valid transaction. Advertisers may not just cherry pick the cash yielding sales. If an advertiser does something to insult or enrage their target audience, they can expect to get a lot of phone calls - this is a healthy market dynamic which drives improved business performance and customer satisfaction. If it works for broadcast and print media, why would UCE marketers be immune from this healthy form of feedback?
1c. The recipient of the advertisement is not prohibited by law to conduct business transactions with the advertised service - just as the service is not prohibited by law to advertise. Should the recipient be dissatisfied and not wish to receive future advertisements, a single request for distribution list removal each time an advertisement is received is a valid practice within the law. The advertiser bears some duty to comply with removal requests in good faith. 1 to 1 responses do not constitute a DDoS attack as the sender of the solicitation has direct control of the responses they will receive. No court of law would be convinced otherwise for the following reasons: Intent to disrupt is not present, the objective of the opt-out request is clearly stated in civil terms, the origin of the opt out request is not hidden (though rendered anonymous for practical reasons), no extortion, blackmail or other form of crime is involved in the request, the advertiser has a clear and simple method of avoiding this undesirable traffic and was given due time to conform. None of these conditions are true under a typical real denial of service attack which sets apart the Blue Security method.
1d. Prior to the existence of the Blue Security service, recipients were technically not able to respond in quantity or form equal to the advertisements received. Filtration was the only effective solution to conduct e-commerce and personal correspondence amidst a constant flood of UCE. Historically to respond to a UCE was often dangerous or caused retribution attacks against the unhappy recipient. (The UCE industry refers to vocal negative recipients as "antis".) Responding to UCE has now become safe and feasible via the Blue Security system. The underlying method employed by Blue Security whereby "Party A advertises - therefore Party B responds" remains both ethical and legal. Not an attack.
Two. Regarding why the services advertised in UCE might crash or fail as a result of Blue Frog Opt-out requests, there are exactly two possible causes:
2a. The advertising party did not sufficiently design their infrastructure to be capable of managing the traffic which was generated by their ad campaign.
2b. The advertising party did not decrease their ad campaign to be commensurate with their capacity to manage response traffic.
-- The issue of UCE advertised servers crashing has nothing to do with the recipients of the ad campaign or any imagined DDoS attack. It has everything to do with the UCE senders being irresponsible and unprepared for their own actions. In simple terms, it would seem that UCE marketers who target Blue Frog members end u
My frog client is still up and it can connect to the mother ship, however no opt-outs are being issued.
That means that you've also got a temporary limited access to the normal services.
All of my spam reports are being accepted via SMTP - I'm expecting a big volley of opt-outs once team blue gets situated
I thought that SMTP was off for everyone, because I didn't receive my confirmation mail. I'm glad the system keeps collecting the data from the members before the attack.
Between Blue Security relocating to Prolexic and Prolexic being under a constant state of attack...
Don't these spammers know that because of the first attack, they just made BS much stronger in popularity? There's such an enormous onflux of new users (you know I measured 100,000 in 24hrs) that once BS can function at 100% again the blow to these spammers web-services will not only be much stronger than before, it may even be crippling that group.
This second attack keeps BS in focus with the whole email community, of which many more will keep on signing up for the anti-spam services, because they've finally found a system which sqeezes all spammers where it really, really hurts, as is proven AGAIN by pharmamaster and his crappy gang.
Stick in there. I read somewhere that these recent criminal acts have forced Blue Security to execute their plans to scale up their systems...
Not only do I stay with it, I'm mobilizing all people I know to check BS out, sign up and be prepared to protect all their unusuable spam-swamped-accounts with the system (there are millions of those old accounts). Quite a few have told me that they're prepared for an all out WAR!
Spamming should be made a felony just as other serious cybercrimes, because now these idiots seem to thing they are invicible.
Also, as a "beta" system they might not have thought they'd need big boy (and big dollar) protection from the likes of Prolexic this soon.
I'm sure that Prolexic will do good in protecting this noble effort of BS and provide them with the bandwidth and tools needed to swing their Blue Stick (pun intended)
The moment that other companies start hurting spammers in similar ways as BS, their time online will never a glorious as it was before. It would even be better if BS deployed a distributed system, just as the coral cache, which cannot be brought to it's knees this easily
Just as Rome, the spammers empire will also fall
How many of you, who were already subscribed before the attack can still use you client without problems?
It seems like the member section of BS site is down ATM for maintanace. Check http://members.bluesecurity.com/cwa
Their SMTP servers are being attacked so they're not sending any emails (though new accounts are valid)
Do you think that when all has levelled off they will automatically send the confirmation emails, or will they check whether a real human being is behind the subscriptions?
Their anti-spam setup could really be used by a lot of people, who obviously didn't know that the system exsisted. The email account of mine which I want to protect are virtually useless due to the spam:mail ratio 96:1(!)
Sign up for a Blue Frog account ASAP and encourage your friends and family to do the same, as I have
I've done so yesterday and have seen that confirmation emails cannot be sent ATM. Also when I logged in yesterday there were about 422,000 users, and 24 hours+ later there are 521,950 users, thats about 100,000 users extra! This whole affair has clearly backfired for that cowardly spammer because he's now worse off that before.
It also seems that the servers of blue security can't easily cope with the masive subscription which is going on now.
Has anybody received confirmation mails within the last 24 hours?
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The GUI is not modern, IMHO. It's a flat 2d mess with not even a colour change when a window is active. A gad damn nightmare
I quoted you on twitter, with source reference ;)
> This is just another in a long series of slashdot articles that have pointed out the broken nature of our patent system I assume you mean the US patent system. I my section of the world something like this would never see the light of day. From my point of view, there must be many parties of interest, who make billions of dollars (per decade), resulting in the delays in reforms. There is just too much money to be made. This problem is so bad in the US, it looks like Third World country politics, horifficly infantile
Quite funny your post ;)
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Thanks for the explanation. I've been an avid amiga user for about 15 years, but didn't know this. My handle is also referencing to RAD: the persistant amiga Ram disk, is 'encoded' in it {RemADeus}
Alright, who remembers the story behind the guru meditation error.
Enligten us...
The most [b]sneaky[/b] of all these evil interfaces are the ones which ask you for your mobile phone number (like in mafia wars) so they can verify the link between your identity and your name. I have made sure my FB account has garbage as info (I only use it for MW), and I laugh at the attempts to get any of my phone numbers through the appps
Since quite a few people don't seem to know how BS/BF work I'm quoting a post I read on http://community.bluesecurity.com/webx?50@527.Rg3A aYm6mEY.0@.3c545f52
Does Blue Frog Employ DDoS Attacks? Some points to consider.
One. When any man woman or child on earth receives an Unsolicited Bulk E-mail message, (UCE) it is essentially just an advertisement:
1a. The recipient has been -invited- to visit the advertised service and conduct business. Real Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks are never preceded by an -invitation- from the party that is to be allegedly attacked. By sending the advertisement, the advertiser is consenting to receive a response if the recipient feels so inclined. It is advertisers hope that visiting will yield them money. It's called a market economy.
1b. Dissatisfaction is a valid transaction. Advertisers may not just cherry pick the cash yielding sales. If an advertiser does something to insult or enrage their target audience, they can expect to get a lot of phone calls - this is a healthy market dynamic which drives improved business performance and customer satisfaction. If it works for broadcast and print media, why would UCE marketers be immune from this healthy form of feedback?
1c. The recipient of the advertisement is not prohibited by law to conduct business transactions with the advertised service - just as the service is not prohibited by law to advertise. Should the recipient be dissatisfied and not wish to receive future advertisements, a single request for distribution list removal each time an advertisement is received is a valid practice within the law. The advertiser bears some duty to comply with removal requests in good faith. 1 to 1 responses do not constitute a DDoS attack as the sender of the solicitation has direct control of the responses they will receive. No court of law would be convinced otherwise for the following reasons: Intent to disrupt is not present, the objective of the opt-out request is clearly stated in civil terms, the origin of the opt out request is not hidden (though rendered anonymous for practical reasons), no extortion, blackmail or other form of crime is involved in the request, the advertiser has a clear and simple method of avoiding this undesirable traffic and was given due time to conform. None of these conditions are true under a typical real denial of service attack which sets apart the Blue Security method.
1d. Prior to the existence of the Blue Security service, recipients were technically not able to respond in quantity or form equal to the advertisements received. Filtration was the only effective solution to conduct e-commerce and personal correspondence amidst a constant flood of UCE. Historically to respond to a UCE was often dangerous or caused retribution attacks against the unhappy recipient. (The UCE industry refers to vocal negative recipients as "antis".) Responding to UCE has now become safe and feasible via the Blue Security system. The underlying method employed by Blue Security whereby "Party A advertises - therefore Party B responds" remains both ethical and legal. Not an attack.
Two. Regarding why the services advertised in UCE might crash or fail as a result of Blue Frog Opt-out requests, there are exactly two possible causes:
2a. The advertising party did not sufficiently design their infrastructure to be capable of managing the traffic which was generated by their ad campaign.
2b. The advertising party did not decrease their ad campaign to be commensurate with their capacity to manage response traffic.
-- The issue of UCE advertised servers crashing has nothing to do with the recipients of the ad campaign or any imagined DDoS attack. It has everything to do with the UCE senders being irresponsible and unprepared for their own actions. In simple terms, it would seem that UCE marketers who target Blue Frog members end u
That means that you've also got a temporary limited access to the normal services. I thought that SMTP was off for everyone, because I didn't receive my confirmation mail. I'm glad the system keeps collecting the data from the members before the attack.
Don't these spammers know that because of the first attack, they just made BS much stronger in popularity? There's such an enormous onflux of new users (you know I measured 100,000 in 24hrs) that once BS can function at 100% again the blow to these spammers web-services will not only be much stronger than before, it may even be crippling that group.
This second attack keeps BS in focus with the whole email community, of which many more will keep on signing up for the anti-spam services, because they've finally found a system which sqeezes all spammers where it really, really hurts, as is proven AGAIN by pharmamaster and his crappy gang.
Not only do I stay with it, I'm mobilizing all people I know to check BS out, sign up and be prepared to protect all their unusuable spam-swamped-accounts with the system (there are millions of those old accounts). Quite a few have told me that they're prepared for an all out WAR!
Spamming should be made a felony just as other serious cybercrimes, because now these idiots seem to thing they are invicible.
I'm sure that Prolexic will do good in protecting this noble effort of BS and provide them with the bandwidth and tools needed to swing their Blue Stick (pun intended)
The moment that other companies start hurting spammers in similar ways as BS, their time online will never a glorious as it was before. It would even be better if BS deployed a distributed system, just as the coral cache, which cannot be brought to it's knees this easily
Just as Rome, the spammers empire will also fall
DEATH to all spammers!
How many of you, who were already subscribed before the attack can still use you client without problems?
It seems like the member section of BS site is down ATM for maintanace. Check http://members.bluesecurity.com/cwa
According to another source pharmamaster is a russian spammer, who hates the methods used by Blue Security's client software, which anonymously sends thousands of legal opt-out requests simultaneously to the spammer's website. The thing that pissed him off is that it takes a lot of time to handle all those request!0 831-0.html?tw=rss.index l l
Finally a legal system which also kicks the spammers in the NUTS. This attack has proven that the system really works.
More can be read at these links http://www.wired.com/news/technology/security/0,7
at http://hotwired.com/news/technology/0,70820-0.htm
and at http://hotwired.com/news/technology/0,70798-0.htm
Do you think that when all has levelled off they will automatically send the confirmation emails, or will they check whether a real human being is behind the subscriptions?
Their anti-spam setup could really be used by a lot of people, who obviously didn't know that the system exsisted. The email account of mine which I want to protect are virtually useless due to the spam:mail ratio 96:1(!)
It also seems that the servers of blue security can't easily cope with the masive subscription which is going on now.
Has anybody received confirmation mails within the last 24 hours?