I think that's a bit unfair. Person 1 indicated a willingness to actual learn and change their mind. You seemingly opted to ignore that. Tone counts, no?
Then again, maybe you're right? Maybe I'm misreading it. To me, it looks like a legit request for more information - by someone who's actually willing to take new information and process it and make new choices. That's a rarity.
Add to that the two of 'em are discussing things that are largely opinion based... So, yeah, it looks like a legit question and not even attempt to argue or debate.
But, if we're gonna do that then obviously LXDE is superior in all ways simply because I say so! Err... Except I do actually prefer LXDE and will enumerate a few reasons if asked. Still, even when I reread it, I see what appears to be a legit request for more information but that might be because of how I interact with people by default.
Edited to add: This is damned long but might be worth the read. I cheated and skimmed it, even though I said I'd not proofread it, and it's not my best but it should help you (and others!) understand. Seriously folks, if you think you know what a Libertarian is, read this. You might be surprised. I didn't proofread it. I know, I saw a few errors. I just don't have the mental fortitude to give this the justice it deserves.
I'll be the first to admit that we have some straight up idiots in our party. I'd also agree that it's a *very* broad scope and capable of being a rather vague term. It had, at one time, connotations of being the loony left. Then Ayn Rand became popular and those folks decided they were Libertarians. I'd also like to point out that those people are vocal and not actually (as near as I can tell) in the majority. Further, it'd be a bit antithetical for us to take away their microphone, which means anyone gets to speak on behalf of the party.
Needless to say, this has lead to some confusion. I do not have time, nor inclination, to clear all of it up but I do make stabs at it and see if I can do a little to help clear the air. Sometimes it helps, other times it is not so successful. I've noticed a few people who will get my full attention, indicate that they understand, proceed to then stop replying, and follow it up with repeating the same exact thing in a thread a few days later. I might be crazy but I think I might have found a few people who are remaining intentionally ignorant (or pretending to do so) and intentionally spreading misinformation.
I really don't want to do this because I know you can tear me to shreds but I am going to do it... Just because there's a No True Scotsman Fallacy does not mean that I can call myself a Scot and claim to represent them.
I'd go so far as to say, with a firmness usually reserved for more important things, that these people using the moniker can not, in effect, be Libertarians. Suffice to say, the emphasis is in the title. That root word, "liberty," is actually rather important. Liberty isn't just for the rich, the empowered, or the likes. Liberty is for everyone.
Let's establish three definitions - liberty, freedom, and rights. Sound good? We're just gonna agree to use these definitions for now but you're free to keep using them. I find that helps and, as you can guess, I've had this conversation many, many times. (You'd think that I'd automate it!) Anyhow...
You are free to kill me. You do not have the liberty to do so. If I try to take your life, you have a right to kill me in self-defense.
Sound good? Okay... Note, we'll touch on rights but I'm concerned with the liberty aspect as it is the root of the word and I'm getting to that.
Let's establish a few things. Freedom is taken by force and force alone. Liberties are similar to rights but rights are a bit more specific (for simplicity sake). I have a decent enough bit about rights but I'm going to skip that. I do think it's important but I lack time and it's not truly important for this conversation - but can be added to a reply. If you want to hear/read it, it's simply my story of the communal soup pot. It works well for children of all ages - and that includes being simple enough for me to understand.
Now, we have freedom. So long as they're not infringing on that, you're doing alright. Note, I'm not dumbing it down for you. I know you're smart. I'm just keeping it simple to avoid needless complexity. Where were we? Oh yes... You're free to go about your day and what not. Now, what should be maximized is our liberties. We use our liberties (and rights) to truly make best use of our freedoms. I am at liberty to own a firearm, I enjoy my freedom when I go shooting. That sort of thing.
Now, equality (in opportunity and not necessarily in results) is important. You deserve to enjoy your freedom as much as possible. The reality is, it takes some wealth to make better use of your liberties. The goal is for *everyone* to be empowered to enjoy their freed
Parts of the N, W, and NW can be a bit pricey as well. Up on the White Mountains, all through the valley, and even out at the end of the Kancamagus Hwy are a bit pricey. Conway, N. Conway, Jefferson, can be pricey. Laconia, but you sort of mentioned that area - central/tourist. Gilford's got some nice property. I forget the name of the town, I went and saw and outdoor show (it was Meat Loaf) in an area that looked like it had some decent (and likely expensive) properties. I want to say the name was Meadowbrook but I think that might be in/around Gilford. Down near the coast is probably a bit expensive? I imagine *some* of the property in Plymouth, Exeter, and Keene might be good and high.
Then, my mother was friends with the daughter of the guy who owned the Castle in the Clouds (I think that's the name) and if you head up the road that's on - I can only speculate that that's a bit pricey. I've actually priced some land up in NW NH. It wasn't all that bad, I guess. I didn't end up buying it. Coming from Maine into the White Mountains on Rt. 2, it's on the right and not far past the rest area. There was 60+ acres for sale in between the rest area and the town (whose name I have forgotten and am too lazy to Google) and I thought about picking it up as an investment. It was a bit pricey but not egregiously so. I'd say that it was pricier than it needed to be when the downturn and property value disruptions were not long before it. I was looking at that chunk in 2010 or so.
I had a few ideas and had thought about developing it. However, I was still drinking then and was still a bit giddy from the sale of my company so it never happened. I was mostly thinking that I was retired and it was damned stupid to look for something to interrupt that retirement. A part of me still agrees with that sentiment. I was thinking a park, sandwich shop, craft store (curated crafts like woodworking or other local NH crafts, all curated and juried like a semi-permanent craft show), ties with some local businesses (maybe making that ice cream shop, which is awesome, more visible) and probably foliage runs, scenery runs in the winter, and things like that. It never got past me going down and looking at the property. It's probably for the best.
I had to pay for the CO and new lines to be put in. My home is 24 miles out of the village and about 65 out of a real town. It was a bit pricey but not bad. I paid about $30k for the line and CO. They did the labor for free or at a reduced price. The guy further up threw in another $1k to go the extra mile. The ones past him don't want the 'net. I get 14-15 down and 1.5 up. That's more than enough for me though I'd like to play with the numbers a little bit and change to 10/5.
But, if you have a minute, I'll share a bit of my story with you. You might find it interesting and be able to pick and pull out the parts that you like and work towards those ends. It'll be a bit long but you can skip, skim, or read as you wish. No reply is needed, it does me well to write and there might be something in there for you or for another reader. It not only can happen, it has happened.
Depending on where you live, I retired to Maine, going with copper may get you a whole slew of rights and protections that you don't get with cable, fiber, satellite, or WISP. I actually priced out cable and I'd have had to have them run more wire (the village has cable) but they'd have done it - it was a similar price, as I recall. But, with all those other solutions, I'm dependent on the ISP. With the mighty copper, I've got the PUC and the rights associated with a phone line.
The primary example that I like to use for those rights? Well... I can use an ISP in Hong Kong if I want and they're willing to service the area. The telephone company can not disallow access to the lines. They must provide them, at cost pretty much, to anybody looking to lease them and provide service on them. (If you think back, remember when we suddenly could get cheap long distance from a whole bunch of customers? Same law.) I can, literally, pick any ISP that wants to serve me. They don't even have to maintain or own the lines.
I have three different, disparate, lines. One is in my home, one is in my garage, the other is in the house that was on the property when i bought it. (I always feel a little self-conscious when I say "guest house" because, while it is a guest house - that's a whole lot more pretentious than it really is. I have not always had a few dollars and only have those few dollars because I sold my business 8 years ago.) Now, all three of those lines can have a different ISP if I want. The telephone provider is obligated to maintain the line up until it enters my house. Maine's got some neat protections for telephones and I'm really grateful for it.
So, I went with DSL as my method. I've stated a number of times, and I repeat, that I'm very happy with that choice - for me. I'm not home now but I'll be back in the spring. A thread just popped up about DSL so I'll probably type more in there. I priced an ISDN and that was slower and more costly - it also, for some reason, is actually excluded from some of the protections that a telephone has (as I understand it - I'm neither an expert not a lawyer).
If you don't need fiber (which was not a realistic option for me) then DSL could be an option in this fantasy you're constructing? I also posted a reply to one of the people who replied to you. If you buy in quantity, you can get land cheaper than the price you listed in my area. I buy large chunks at auctions - so long as they connect. I've arranged to buy another good chunk - with an active farm. The land is kept open, public access not only allowed but invited, and the farm will continue to work. My housekeeper and her husband own the farm but they're pretty old. They're actually still down here with me in Florida but are probably going to go home soon. They have a young couple that lives there help them out and they're running the farm (it's a small affair) and they'll continue to run the farm.
I'm paying the couple and taking ownership now but they'll be able to use it until they decide to move or pass away. It's all good. The wife in the new couple will be my new housekeeper but I'll continue to pay this one in perp
No, I don't really want to but I can't see how we can hold the moral high ground until they're given a military tribunal. And yes, that means they might go free. I'd not expect it to be a civil trial and I'm okay with that. A tribunal, which can be held without public scrutiny in closed hearings - legally, is probably the best answer. So, I'm okay with a trial - for all of them and in something resembling that whole "speedy" thing.
Does that mean they'll go free? I hope not, but they might. Don't mistake this for reading that I want those sick fuckers alive. Oh, I'd probably be okay with having a Scout Sniper monitor them 24/7 and shooting them at the first sign of offense if they're set free. I'm pretty fucking lenient with "credible threat." I sure as shit don't like these people and you know that.
I've seen enough of your posts to know you're not only *not* dumb but aren't a crazy zealot (most of the time). Passionate? Sure. Zealot? No, not something I've observed.
So, lacking anything else at the moment, let me also appeal to your pride. These American values - do they stop just because we're scared? Do we give them a lawful tribunal and accept the risks? There's no way we're gonna swing 'em down for a Fed trial in NYC. There's more to it than a trial - there's a speedy trial. How long have they been waiting for this? For some of them, that's going on 15 years - without trial.
I could be wrong but only a small subset getting a tribunal? My understanding was that there was going to be "a number" of tribunals. So far, they've got lawyers. I don't believe anyone's been to a proceeding yet - in person or via video messaging. (They do that with some dangerous criminals, they never actually physically set foot in a court room - even for sentencing.) It's not just one right, it's all of them.
Now, there's some overlap but the UCMJ includes a right to a speedy trial as do criminal matters and civil matters in the State and Federal courts. I want to say that's in Article 10 but I've not actually seen the UCMJ in years. I guess I can look it up and cite it, if you'd rather. That's part of it too. The defendant can, if they want - and they sometimes do, give up their right to a speedy trial but the Government can not take that right from them. They're our prisoners, they should get their rights according to their status. Right now, they're being held by the military, I'd submit that includes all rights under the UCMJ.
In other words, get this shit done and over with. If they go free then that sucks. It's not like we're not already wasting enough money and these guys will have intelligence kept on them forever. Use 'em as a damned honey pot. But, yes... It's not *just* about the trial. It's about a speedy trial, the right to face their accuser, the burden of evidence, the 5th, the 4th, and 6th and more. It's not just one right, it's all the ones we can reasonably give them - not the least we can get away with. No, no... They don't get the 2nd Amendment rights, for example.
I probably should have made that more clear in my first post but I didn't really think it'd be as effective at getting your attention if I wrote my typical novella. So, yes - it's all the rights we can reasonably give them and that includes the 6th Amendment or, in a tribunal, the Article 10 right to a speedy trial. (I'm pretty sure it's 10?) It's about America being what American is supposed to mean. I hate to use the pithy saying but it's about America being great again. Really, we've been kind of letting our government, that represents us, fuck up a bit lately. This might go a ways towards healing those wounds and doing better in the future.
But no, it's not just about the trial and I'm pretty sure that NPR was telling me, a while back, that only some of them were going to get a tribunal and that an "unknown number" would continue to remain there indefinitely. We, if we're going to be the rule of law, should probably hold the moral high ground. To me, that means giving maximum rights and protections of the
However, you wouldn't want to live there. No sir. It's cold, desolate, and the people have firearms. There are no jobs, no economy, and no hope. Nope. You don't want to live there.
Err... My home is in NW Maine and I've bought land at much lower prices than that. I've bought significant chunks of land, actually. You can use it, I don't mind. Just clean up after yourself. No, you can't build on it but you can camp on it if you want. I just ask that ATVs and trucks stay on the trails as much as possible and that you pick up after yourself and that you don't start a fire you can't control. You can hunt, fish, pick wild berries, and even trap if you know how.
But no, no... You don't want to move there. You can get natural regrowth old paper mill property (was harvested a long time ago) and even get replant for dirt cheap. As in, yeah, you can get it auction for $200 an acre. Now, you're not going to get that price if you're buying 10 acres. No, you need to buy anywhere from 100 to 250 for that sort of price.
So, yes and yes. I've no idea where they live but you can buy land for under $1000/acre. You just don't want to. It's a terrible place and you wouldn't like it there. If you don't believe me, research black flies, mosquitoes, deer flies, moose flies, ticks, snow, ice, freezing temperatures, mud season, and frost heave season. Nope... Don't ever move there.
Then again, I'm pretty sure we've had part of this discussion before. You don't even believe what you typed. I know better. Sheesh. You're not dumb, I know better. Hell, you're probably a Libertarian yourself - you've shared your politics before. The whole thing about Libertarian (and people seem to forget this) is the "liberty" part. Liberties are for people. Objects are inanimate. Objects don't get rights, people get rights - they even have rights to property.
Your signature talks about rationality. Do you always judge a whole based on a small number? I'm a Libertarian. I have been in the party for a lot of years - like lots, as in I'm old and have been involved for about 40 years now when the party was still young.
Go on, tell me what I believe, what my political philosophy is, and where I am, specifically if you don't mind, naive.
You can do anyone of a number of things to reply to this. One of those things is to learn something new - you might even be surprised. There are several others in this thread, I'm sure they'll help you out as well. There's even one in here who has already moved to New Hampshire. Surely, if they're naive then it'd be your part of the social contract to help inform them, yes?
But, if you'd rather, you can simply start by telling me what it is that you believe my political beliefs are. Seriously, I won't bite and I'll work to respond to any question you have in good faith and complete honesty. Any question you have, I'll try to answer as completely as I can. I promise, I don't bite and I almost guarantee that you'll be surprised. I'll even give you a complete money back guarantee.
Except for the part where he claimed the view was that of a Libertarian in his post. If you actually read the thread, you'll find the Libertarian was the one who was supporting pro-choice. In other words, their post is predicated on a lie (it's threaded under FlyHelicopters, a Republican and not a Libertarian and the Libertarian was the one espousing the pro-choice argument) and you are perpetuating that lie.
Hmm... *cocks head to the side* You're smarter than you look. Don't you love it when people tell you how you think and believe based on a caricature?
Dunno how long you've been a Libertarian (just noticed a post a while back) but it's kind of amusing how perspectives and the narrative change. I've not actually changed my beliefs but, by virtue of my party affiliation, I've somehow gone from being on the loony left to being on the authoritarian right. The funny thing is, I'm pretty damned left.
At any rate... You'll probably just have to repeat yourself three days from now when people will again (sometimes the same people) make the same accusations, based on the same caricature. However, I suspect you already know that. Also, your first post was very correct. They (we) will be arguing for years. I like to say that we'd have had weed legalized years ago but someone forgot where they put the petition.
What's amusing is that there are so many folks here who think they are able to speculate on how the locals will accept you. I chuckled. I've been watching the project for years but I have no intentions of joining you. My home is already in Maine but I'm just up 16 "a little bit." Well, sort of... I'll let you get back to work but it has been really amusing to read the thread. I'm sure you're getting a kick out of it. I did not realize that any of you were here. When I get back home (spring) I'll have to take a closer peek and see what's new.
Oh, yeah... There's a whole lot of moldy money in NH. Lots of fresh bills but lots, and lots, of old and moldy money. A lot of people don't realize what some of that stuff brings in. Hell, look at the stretch along the White Mountains, Laconia, Plymouth, etc... That's a big commitment and quite a chance of scenery for some of them. Either way, don't work to hard. I might see if you'll let me pick your brain at some point.
I've been keeping an eye on them. I am just being neighborly but I have an interest in the project that is too long for full disclosure - even for me. Let's just say that I'm invested. Honestly, I'm not really inclined to say much more at this time.
However, I've been peeking and poking since I first heard about the project and one thing that I think a lot of folks here don't quite understand is that this is New Hampshire. New Hampshire is, well... Let's just say that a portion of New Hampshire is capable of being both vocal and politically active. The State motto for NH is, "Live Free or Die." I don't know about you but, to me, that's a pretty big commitment and a whole stack of folks from NH seem rather keen on the motto.
Now, what people don't seem to get is that, as near as I can tell, these folks are quite welcome. The only people that I've heard complain are, in some direct way, involved with politics and the things they have to say aren't exactly polite. The average citizen? Yeah, they're seemingly okay with it. They're not just okay with it, they're welcoming. Someone above mentioned talking to "a lot" of people who had moved from NH and relayed what they were "told" by "a lot" of people. Well, I've actually met a lot of people *in* NH (I kinda, sorta, live right next door when I'm home - I literally hop on 16 and I'm not long before I'm in NH) and the people *in* NH, the ones that I communicate with, are quite happy to have the few that they have already and they welcome more.
I kinda suspect that they've not actually met "a lot" of people who used to live in NH and drove through that specific area in Keene on the day they had their Pumpkin Protest thing. It just seems, well... I don't want to call 'em a liar or anything but I suspect some truth is being stretched and probably for an obvious reason. The question is - who's stretching the truth... I'd speculate but that's not really my goal here.
No, I suspect these guys will do just fine. Unlike many other States, NH has people who are willing to read or learn more than what fits on a bumper sticker. Also, well... For the most part, they make good neighbors - read into that what you will. It's more complicated and longer than I care to type this morning but you seem like the kind of person (a local?) who understands.
So, no... The locals don't mind them a bit. In fact, they welcome them - with open arms, just so long as they're neighborly. Yes, that's not an absolute statement. There are exceptions - probably vocal exceptions. We can, again, speculate why. There have been gaffs. There will be more. Not much goes exactly according to plan.
I dare say, so far in the whole thread, you're the only one I've seen so far that's really paying attention. A couple of others above indicated that they're either local or are paying a little attention from afar but yeah, there's a lot more here than meets the eye and a lot more than makes the papers. Remember, only the noisy folks make the papers. While a New Hampshite may be quiet, they'll let you know when they've got a problem. For better or worse, things are going to change in NH but probably not as much as some folks might think. I suspect it's the outsiders who think this means they'll be stomping in and changing everything overnight. Well, that's not going to happen in NH. But there will be changes - just not like folks here seem to think.
Then again, though I've explained it enough times, most of them don't actually know what a Libertarian is. In their defense, quite a few of the people who self-describe themselves as Libertarians don't know what it means either. For the most part, the ones moving into NH do. It'd be dishonest to say I'm not somehow affiliated so, suffice to say, I'm familiar with them enough to know that these aren't really the crazy people who have slapped on the moniker Libertarian because they're ashamed to be a Republican. They're not exactly Randians but they're not all quite like I. That's okay too. Mostly, however, they're sane and fairly well groun
As long as you're not up north, New Hampshire's got people. If you're north, northwest, or even just west? No, not so much. But New Hampshire's got some fairly densely populated areas assuming you're not in the White Mountains like Jefferson or North Conway. Even those two towns are populated, depending on the season. It's a nice area up there and, if you're dedicated, you could commute to Manchester or Keene or something.
As for tech? Well... That really depends on what they're into. The capitol has some tech, Portsmouth has some tech, Exeter (spelling?) has some tech, Nashua has some, and it's tit to commute from there into Mass. 'Snot like they're moving to my neighborhood or anything. Though I do, technically, have a neighbor back home who commutes to Mass. He just stays there all week. (My home is way up in NW, Maine. Kind of not far from NH if you use Mainer definitions of "far.")
Then, if they point the other direction for their commute, they can hit Maine easily enough. That's not too bad if they're gonna commute up to the Portland area. I've known a couple of people who have commuted as far as Bath/Brunswick but that's pushing it. NH has a not bad economy, all things considered. Most of it's fairly clean and it's *very* nice up north and the White Mountains are beautiful. They do have some Subaru-driving-angry-women-from-Vermont that go through but they're mostly harmless. I just hop on 16 and head to NH that way - it's pretty quick actually. Well, until Frost Heave Season.
NH has some seasonal activities. They've generally got a few shows worth seeing in the summer. I actually drove down and saw Meatloaf not too many years back. He's still ugly but he's still a damned fine vocalist. If they've got kids, there's the whole North Conway to Jefferson pile of stuff to do - from Santa's Village to the trains down in N. Conway. There's the Kancamagus highway, if you're a fan of driving. That brings you out by the Castle in the Clouds. If you've never been on that highway and you're a driving enthusiast, I highly recommend you do it during the summer, during the fall (go slower), and during the winter. In the winter, hang on for dear life and have a good time - best done during a big ol' blizzard and driven down just to drive that specific highway taking a good 8 hours or so and in 2WD RWD vehicle like an old 245. It's awesome! It's even more fun when you turn around and do it in the opposite direction. There's Six Gun City but I've never been - it looks lame.
Then, there are the White Mountains. Now, if you're really nice and a member of a group or able to go on certain days with certain vehicles, you can RACE up the mountain. Yup... It's a private road and they'll let you race up it. You can take a nifty train that climbs the mountain - no, it climbs it. No, really, it climbs it. It's gotta name - I'm not looking it up. Cogs! That's it. It's got cogs and it climbs it. You can take a van but that's for pussies. Drive it - your vehicle will need to be able to shift into first gear. If the vehicle does not have first gear, you can not drive up it. You might also want to learn how to use your brakes efficiently and effectively as well as ensure the emergency brake is in good working order.
The foliage isn't bad. That's why you do the White Mountains and the Kancamagus in the fall too. Bring your mother-in-law, that'll shut her up for a while.
Ah, okay. Yeah - uMatrix does that. It's quite refined in the results and a pure whitelist approach. I don't see/get any of those things unless I explicitly allow them. Then I save them, if I want, and don't need to configure it again for the next session. Somewhere in this thread, I linked to the Firefox version and the Chrome version as well as gave some more information.
If that's what's holding you back from switching then it's possibly something you want to look into. You might find that it suits your purposes and even meets your expectations. I prefer to liken it to an old-school Windows software firewall but explicitly for your browser.
Those are probably quite a bit of info that can be used for a variety of results. They can be used to track you, monetize you, and probably even dig deeper if they had server logs. Me? Oh no... Err... I'm David. I've met a bunch of you crazy bastards. I've fed some of you, gotten you drunk, and entertained you. So, I guess it's what you do with it that matters?
Though, I suppose, with access to server logs and some sleuthing it might be possible to ferret you out. Given your likes and dislikes and some access to the back-end at a few similar sites, they might be able to. But yeah, I presume I'd be able to figure a lot out about you just by your post history. Possibly more than we might realize.
Well, part of it is cultural. People are moving away from general purpose computing. Is that because they never took advantage of it before? Is that for some other reason or reasons?
Maybe open hardware? That's a trend that folks are working at but it's not as realistic as I hope. No, I'm not expecting end-users to jump all over open hardware necessarily. I'd expect others to do things that enabled others to utilize their freedoms more.
Be vocal but not obnoxious? "There's no need to store your photos in the cloud. You can host them on your old computer at home just as easily."
It's bigger than open source software, I think. Hell, a lot of it is (currently) running on open source software. People have managed to take open source software and find a way to *reduce* their freedom - voluntarily. Or, in the case of businesses, for the sake of saving a percent of a percent by using the "cloud." Yes, yes I'm aware that a cloud can be hosted locally. We called that a server room.
We've got enough compute power, in everyone's pocket, to do great things. Yet, here we are, using them as dumb terminals. That's sort of okay, what about when you want to make something?
If I see one saving grace, and this may seem odd, it's that I'm seeing more devices come with a keyboard now - or at least with that as an option. It has usually been an option, just not always utilized. I'd like to hope that the keyboard may turn things around. The keyboard may change it from being a consumption device to a creation device.
If they're a creation device then that might be the drive that keeps the general purpose computer, in the home, alive. I'm open to suggestions... I'll be buggered if I know the answers. I don't know how to fix it but I can tell you that my wrist is well and truly screwed. I really don't know how to fix this. I can't think of a magic fix - it's also cultural and no software seems to fix that. I can't even blame it on Facebook, Twitter, or even the kids today, the kids don't know any better.
That is confusing BUT it's okay - so long as they don't feel like they don't have to accept the consequences of their actions. Maybe your buddy was happier with his major and his job? Maybe he wanted to study something new? I get that and I accept it. Hell, I even think it's important. What I don't think is that our economy is designed to employ them and that they made choices and must accept the consequences of those choices. 'Snot like I'm asking a whole lot here.
I think the difference, perhaps, might have been that the interviewee was so proud of herself. The lady doing the interview was visually, obviously, disgusted and the interviewee was completely and totally impervious to that. I don't remember exactly what the major was, something like interpretive dance or the likes. At any rate, I doubt there's a huge market for people with their Masters interpreting other people stomping around on stage while a guy on acid plays a combination of banjo, thumb piano, and gongs.
I looked and there are so many choices that I'm not gonna spend that much time trying to find it again. It was on Fark at the time. I wish I could remember the quotes. You'd die in a giggle fit and for all the wrong reasons. Something like, "I have my masters! I should be making at least one hundred fifty thousand dollars a year! I earned it!"
And she had people cheering her on... And she had people on Fark who agreed with every word she said. I was baffled. I was flabbergasted. During the OWS Fest, I was careful to use certain verbiage and to do a lot of communicating. I was told that the 1%ers (all of them) needed to be put up against the wall and shot, have their families killed before them, were all criminals, were responsible for the plight of damned near anything you can think of (and some you might overlook), and so many other things. Those were the people representing what actually had a few legitimate gripes.
*sighs*
No, no you don't deserve a trophy. You picked a degree in underwater basket weaving. If you'd gone to a trade school and swapped out weaving for welding, you'd be doing pretty well for yourself. No, go take a shower, dye your hair back to normal, remove some of the metal from your face, and fetch me my coffee - please and thank you. And no, I don't really care about the holes in their face or even their hair color - it's just that you're probably gonna have a hard time getting a job with a tattoo on your forehead that says, "Fuck the 1%ers." But I'm sure they still think they've earned a six figure salary or, at least, are owed one even if they've not earned it. Why? I don't know. Because fuck those guys who made some money, that's why!
The funny thing is, on the scale of things? I don't really have that much money. I gave a whole ton of it away and I use the rest to make more money and give that away. I splurged and bought myself a BMW this past year. Now that my needs are taken care of, if you ignore property taxes, I probably *personally* spend less money on myself than many of them do. It was fun spending for a while but, frankly, I just don't need anything else.
My girlfriend grew up dirt poor and she doesn't spend shit either. I know, 'cause she keeps telling me what she spent. I find that awkward. I get where it comes from but, still, I tried to avoid it by just giving her the money. "No, hon, I don't need a receipt of even care. *smile* If I gave it to you, and I did, that means it is yours to do with as you wish. If it runs low, let me know." I can't even get her to spend money.:/ Hell, she's still young. Err... I think her purse (handbag really) was about $80 at LL Bean. We ordered it via the mail 'cause I'm not back in Maine and we've only been together since October.
At any rate... I don't know what the hell is wrong with those people?!? If you took a course in underwater basket weaving and you can turn it into a job that pays enough to live on then that's great! Do what you love! If you can't then, well... Surely you *did* major in something else or
Heh... Normally, I'd let ya be but I actually decided to scroll back up here to fuck with you.
See, I read some more of your posts and you're drooling on yourself in public. You rant and rave about corporations. You rant and rave about open source. Well, son... Today is the day you either learn to be humble or you decide to go off in a fit of rage.
Heh, there's the corporate charter. Let me get you the salient text...
(an Oregon nonprofit mutual benefit corporation)
Emphasis added, emphasis mine.
Shall I find the articles of incorporation for the folks behind BSD?
'Snot that I'm gonna disagree that Android is Open Source in many, many ways. (See prior posts in this very thread.) It's that your spouted spittle flecked gibberish is a bit silly when the very things you sit there and claim to stand for and appeal for are the same things you claim to hate. I'm afraid that trying to have them both makes you look a bit silly. If you want to know what a corporation is, you need but ask and I'll take the time out of my schedule to explain it to you.
If you don't know the meaning of words, you probably ought not use them in front of people until after you've looked them up. Corporations are not bad things. Corporations are just things. Are you using software or a computer to read this? You're a corporate apologist! Your posts, supporting open source? That's you - being a corporate apologist.
When you say, it's not open source "in spirit" that's just you picking one corporation over another. Yeah, that's a good corporate apologist. I hope you enjoy the taste of leather while you're down there kissing that corporate boot that is the FSF! Bend over and take it for the Linux Foundation - you corporate apologist!
Yeah... Kind of sorry but I couldn't just let that slide. It's okay, we've all posted drunk and stupid on Slashdot. You corporate apologist!;-)
On android you only have google (note the "only have", google is an ad company after all).
*cocks head quizzically*
I gave up Android a while back but I'm not yet senile and I've got an Android tablet almost within reach. I don't think Installed one single app from Google on my last phone except for Opera. The tablet has Opera and Firefox. I have, however, installed apps from a lot of other places that were, quite specifically, not Google.
If you want to install something off the 'net that you found on some sketchy site, unless I'm forgetting, it actually prompts you to enable installing stuff from 3rd parties. Err... I kind of only know this because I'm that oddball that doesn't actually go installing a whole bunch of things but I've come across a few apps that looked interesting and weren't in the store.
I reread your post a few times, trying to see if I was missing something, and I'm pretty sure I'm not. Also, I don't really agree with you - as tempting as it is. If a user wants to shoot themselves in the foot, I guess it's just easier to let them do so. Taking away the idiots access may also take away the access from the smart person. I'm really not sure that reducing things to the lowest common denominator is the ideal solution? But, that's another point entirely.
I'm pretty sure, positive really, that I've more than Google as an option on my Android tablet and on my old phone. It's like a box. Tick the box and you're good to go. If you try to install something and that box is not ticked, it'll happily take you to that box in the settings so that you can tick it. Once ticked, it seems to stay ticked.
Probably there is one difference: In the PC world a far larger percentage runs "truly" open devices...
What's kind of worrisome (and I do mean legitimate worry) is that there are an increasing number of people who push for the elimination of the general computing device - i.e. the desktop and much greater choice in the software that runs on it.
I think I've posted enough so that I needn't expound on my being an open source aficionado and not an open source zealot. As an example: I don't really care that someone uses Windows and I'm glad they have that choice - I don't even think that all software should be open source, I think a person should be able to pay for closed source software if they want to.
That said, open source has done a hell of a lot for the industry and for enabling people, regular people, to do great things. I don't know who I'm quoting, and it's not verbatim, but somebody recently said something like this: "Android is Linux after they've taken the kernel into the basement and performed a vivisection on it while raping it with a garden hose."
For 95% of the users, there's not a damned thing open about their phone. While they may not care, or even know, it means as many people are starting to rely on their mobile as their only compute device that the influence had by open source software is going to be lessened. People are giving up their choices, they're not maintaining those choices by keeping desktops, they're giving them up. "It's good enough."
I'm kind of old... (58) So, I might not be here but what will the scene look like in 15 or 20 years? What will the industry look like without the zealots having influence to counter the abuse potential or outright abusive behaviors? What choices will the user have, what will they *really* have for choices? No, not tomorrow - not next year, but twenty years from now.
I'm not a futurist and I don't really do the prediction thing but it's worrisome. I read a lot of comments. Many, many folks seem to be pushing for this and the adoption of this trend is amazingly fast as far as tech goes. What happens when the desktops become rarities and require arcane lore to operate? What about if they become too expensive for the average person to afford as they become specialist items? What about when they're only used by developers and not much else but black boxes exist?
There are a lot of worrisome trends. The trend to return to the days of dumb terminals and leasing time on someone else's hardware is another one that I find concerning. They've got a supercomputer in their pocket but want to run their office suite in the browser, on someone else's hardware, and paying for their slice of time. That looks remarkably familiar. What's the landscape going to look like in 15 or 20 years?
I guess. I'll give it a bookmark and see what I can come up with over the weekend. If you want, you can reply and let me know and I'll link you to it when it's ready. I'm sure I can find an appropriate site name and hosting is damned near free. Hell, if I get really bored - I'll see if I can do it (with a TLD) and not pay a nickel for it - just to make 'em think a bit more. I imagine that I can do that.
I did have a picture of me (complete with my face!) during the OWS Festival. I was holding a sign that said quite a bit of similar things to that. Note, I was not at the Festivals (protests?) but simply standing in my living room. I'd made the sign and had the picture taken because I was kind of amused by all the signs that were being posted. "I made horrible life choices and now my parent's won't fund me well enough to achieve my irresponsible dreams and I think I deserve a trophy!" (That's not what the sign said. That's what the 99%er signs said.) The picture was up on Fark and then made it to Reddit and is (intentionally) not attached to this username.
Now, just because it needs saying as this is Slashdot... No, OWS was actually kind of stupid and morally bankrupt as a whole. However, *some* of them had some very good complaints that were legitimate. I can't say that I recollect seeing any good (realistic) solutions being proposed. That's a shame because just noting the viable complaints would have been a good start and they could have actually gotten a more cohesive message across. Instead, they let the zealots, inept, and crazy speak for them and the message they portrayed, to the vast majority of people, was that they were a bunch of people who could not, would not, do anything to better themselves (really better) and were mad about the repercussions of their choices.
I think my favorite was someone claiming that they had huge college debt, was owed a "well paying job," was owed a refund for their college debt, and that "big business" was to blame. The journalist asked what they majored in and this girl looks at the camera with a proud face and spouts out some arts major or humanities major. I don't recall what it was specifically but I burst out laughing when I watched the clip. I was waiting for someone to tell me that it was actually one of those live art things where they interact with people.
However, OWS had some legitimate gripes if we took the time to listen to them. The solutions might have been a bit amiss but the lack of a proposed viable solution does not mean there is no problem. Ah, it was a great festival.
And, if one is curious... I paid for my college by joining the Marines and using the GI Bill. Not just once, twice - I wanted to finish and get my doctorate. What did I major in? Applied Mathematics. It might not be glamorous but when you increase throughput and reduce congestion in traffic (I modeled traffic) across the country, you do a lot for efficiency, productivity, reduction of pollution, and lowering costs. They drove to their OWS events on roads that my company did the consulting, modeling, engineering on (depending on the scale of the project). However, I am where I am today mostly because I got damned lucky and was in the right place, at the right time, while being able to accept risks. I not only am not special, I made more mistakes than needed.
At any rate, I'll bang out a site like that over the weekend. Just a single domain and a single page? Hmm... Should I do a contact form? I can make it more readable but a part of my point was to make it a solid wall of text. I'd agree, a better readability score would be good. Just lemme know and I've got a few minutes this weekend. I've got a few projects going so something that's quick and easy will be good. Seeing it finished and ready for the world will make me feel more productive.
Heh... They're only cookies.;-) What's the worst they can do? Besides, we're geeks. Pushing buttons is in our nature. If you don't believe me...
Imagine any three of us, you can be one, locked in a room with nothing but each other and a big red, function unknown, button that was clearly labeled "DO NOT PUSH" in white letters. You know that button's getting pushed. It could mean the end of civilization but one of us is pushing that button.
And for my testing, I'm on Lubuntu but using Opera. The end results should be the same. uBlock does, indeed, indicate that there are five elements being blocked.
Curiouser and curiouser. The box, mine, should be clean. I don't actually use it as much as I should - I'm usually booted to a Live USB without persistent data. I just install the latest Opera and a few extensions and run with that. I can import and export my uMatrix settings from dropbox. I've got a number of "images" that I use and, more often than not, I'm actually connected to a VM far away and using a VPN to get there. So, I'd presume I'm pretty clean - at the moment.
Oh, and that might sound complicated to some (and this is more for someone else that might read this than it is for you personally) it's not that hard or that slow. This laptop has 32 GB of RAM in it so it holds a Live USB image just fine - I can even load a VM in my live OS and have room left over - I sometimes do with persistent data. To get it running, I just boot from USB and it takes *maybe* five minutes to get my browser installed as well as the extensions and get those configured. It's not much work at all. As I'm using it for just browsing, though I sometimes configure Thunderbird as well but I cheat for that, I don't really care if it gets burned to the ground. I leave it running for days and days sometimes.
As for the Thunderbird, I just use a profile that's not here. I know that sounds odd to some, I just either use VNC and get it from a box located elsewhere (back home in Maine) or I grab a saved profile (recent) and just stuff it in there in the right hole and it not only works but has my extensions and whatnot. I've even got my keys. I keep it stored on servers that I own and, really, it's not hard at all. It's even "quick enough."
Note: The above two paragraphs really aren't aimed at you. I kind of figure that you know what you're doing and probably know more about what I'm doing than I do. I have, after all, seen you post before or I'd have not actually said anything. The two paragraphs are included for others who might not actually know and be curious as to what sort of idiocy I'm doing, why I'm doing it, and how the hell it actually works. I get some strange responses when I say that I don't have an OS installed and, depending on the box, I often don't. I hardly ever actually use my base install on anything any more. Add it with VNC and VMWare and, well... Throw a VPN into the mix and you've got my base configuration as well as the various Live USBs that I use. It could be more refined but I wanted to get on the road quick and I've not actually been home since September.
That link only wants to set two cookies. One is from them and the other is from chandra.harvard.edu. How'd you get 30 of them? Are they retrying?
uMatrix tells me that they've got 94 elements (most from the first party) and uBlock says 5 ads are blocked.
However, and this may be the difference, you might note the mention of uMatrix. I'm blocking all the third party cookies (except it lists the ones blocked - there's just one) but, and this might be important, I'm blocking all the scripts from third-parties on that site. Maybe it is those scripts that are loading those cookies? They're the usual scripts from Facebook, recapcha, Google, Twitter, and JQuerry. But those aren't actually trying to load cookies. Maybe they are awaiting the loading of the script to do so?
Except, that doesn't necessarily make sense. See, on *most* pages, those sites would be trying to load cookies *and* scripts, but they're quite explicitly not doing so on the page you linked. Which is odd... I can open a tab and go to a different page (like The Free Dictionary) and see Google trying to load a script. It's also happily trying to load a cookie. But, it's not doing that at the site you linked - even when I refresh and browse around a little bit.
The reason I take the time to type this is because, well... You might have a problem? I'm pretty sure I'm not affected by malware and haven't made any changes that would be blocking just that one site's attempts. No, they'd show up - if they were being made. They're not. I'd be curious as to why you're getting whacked with 30 of them and I'm seeing only two. I'm not even seeing attempts to load more. Err... I can screen shot an example site and the site you linked to, if you want? Do you still get 30 attempts if you disable ads? That might be it...
Ah well, I'd clicked out of morbid curiosity and then noticed it was just two cookies and not thirty. I've no reason to believe you'd lie about it, nor can I imagine why you would. So, I figured I'd share the discrepancy and see if that'd help you find out if there's a problem with someone injecting code into your IP stream or what.
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I think that's a bit unfair. Person 1 indicated a willingness to actual learn and change their mind. You seemingly opted to ignore that. Tone counts, no?
Then again, maybe you're right? Maybe I'm misreading it. To me, it looks like a legit request for more information - by someone who's actually willing to take new information and process it and make new choices. That's a rarity.
Add to that the two of 'em are discussing things that are largely opinion based... So, yeah, it looks like a legit question and not even attempt to argue or debate.
But, if we're gonna do that then obviously LXDE is superior in all ways simply because I say so! Err... Except I do actually prefer LXDE and will enumerate a few reasons if asked. Still, even when I reread it, I see what appears to be a legit request for more information but that might be because of how I interact with people by default.
Edited to add: This is damned long but might be worth the read. I cheated and skimmed it, even though I said I'd not proofread it, and it's not my best but it should help you (and others!) understand. Seriously folks, if you think you know what a Libertarian is, read this. You might be surprised. I didn't proofread it. I know, I saw a few errors. I just don't have the mental fortitude to give this the justice it deserves.
I'll be the first to admit that we have some straight up idiots in our party. I'd also agree that it's a *very* broad scope and capable of being a rather vague term. It had, at one time, connotations of being the loony left. Then Ayn Rand became popular and those folks decided they were Libertarians. I'd also like to point out that those people are vocal and not actually (as near as I can tell) in the majority. Further, it'd be a bit antithetical for us to take away their microphone, which means anyone gets to speak on behalf of the party.
Needless to say, this has lead to some confusion. I do not have time, nor inclination, to clear all of it up but I do make stabs at it and see if I can do a little to help clear the air. Sometimes it helps, other times it is not so successful. I've noticed a few people who will get my full attention, indicate that they understand, proceed to then stop replying, and follow it up with repeating the same exact thing in a thread a few days later. I might be crazy but I think I might have found a few people who are remaining intentionally ignorant (or pretending to do so) and intentionally spreading misinformation.
I really don't want to do this because I know you can tear me to shreds but I am going to do it... Just because there's a No True Scotsman Fallacy does not mean that I can call myself a Scot and claim to represent them.
I'd go so far as to say, with a firmness usually reserved for more important things, that these people using the moniker can not, in effect, be Libertarians. Suffice to say, the emphasis is in the title. That root word, "liberty," is actually rather important. Liberty isn't just for the rich, the empowered, or the likes. Liberty is for everyone.
Let's establish three definitions - liberty, freedom, and rights. Sound good? We're just gonna agree to use these definitions for now but you're free to keep using them. I find that helps and, as you can guess, I've had this conversation many, many times. (You'd think that I'd automate it!) Anyhow...
You are free to kill me. You do not have the liberty to do so. If I try to take your life, you have a right to kill me in self-defense.
Sound good? Okay... Note, we'll touch on rights but I'm concerned with the liberty aspect as it is the root of the word and I'm getting to that.
Let's establish a few things. Freedom is taken by force and force alone. Liberties are similar to rights but rights are a bit more specific (for simplicity sake). I have a decent enough bit about rights but I'm going to skip that. I do think it's important but I lack time and it's not truly important for this conversation - but can be added to a reply. If you want to hear/read it, it's simply my story of the communal soup pot. It works well for children of all ages - and that includes being simple enough for me to understand.
Now, we have freedom. So long as they're not infringing on that, you're doing alright. Note, I'm not dumbing it down for you. I know you're smart. I'm just keeping it simple to avoid needless complexity. Where were we? Oh yes... You're free to go about your day and what not. Now, what should be maximized is our liberties. We use our liberties (and rights) to truly make best use of our freedoms. I am at liberty to own a firearm, I enjoy my freedom when I go shooting. That sort of thing.
Now, equality (in opportunity and not necessarily in results) is important. You deserve to enjoy your freedom as much as possible. The reality is, it takes some wealth to make better use of your liberties. The goal is for *everyone* to be empowered to enjoy their freed
Parts of the N, W, and NW can be a bit pricey as well. Up on the White Mountains, all through the valley, and even out at the end of the Kancamagus Hwy are a bit pricey. Conway, N. Conway, Jefferson, can be pricey. Laconia, but you sort of mentioned that area - central/tourist. Gilford's got some nice property. I forget the name of the town, I went and saw and outdoor show (it was Meat Loaf) in an area that looked like it had some decent (and likely expensive) properties. I want to say the name was Meadowbrook but I think that might be in/around Gilford. Down near the coast is probably a bit expensive? I imagine *some* of the property in Plymouth, Exeter, and Keene might be good and high.
Then, my mother was friends with the daughter of the guy who owned the Castle in the Clouds (I think that's the name) and if you head up the road that's on - I can only speculate that that's a bit pricey. I've actually priced some land up in NW NH. It wasn't all that bad, I guess. I didn't end up buying it. Coming from Maine into the White Mountains on Rt. 2, it's on the right and not far past the rest area. There was 60+ acres for sale in between the rest area and the town (whose name I have forgotten and am too lazy to Google) and I thought about picking it up as an investment. It was a bit pricey but not egregiously so. I'd say that it was pricier than it needed to be when the downturn and property value disruptions were not long before it. I was looking at that chunk in 2010 or so.
I had a few ideas and had thought about developing it. However, I was still drinking then and was still a bit giddy from the sale of my company so it never happened. I was mostly thinking that I was retired and it was damned stupid to look for something to interrupt that retirement. A part of me still agrees with that sentiment. I was thinking a park, sandwich shop, craft store (curated crafts like woodworking or other local NH crafts, all curated and juried like a semi-permanent craft show), ties with some local businesses (maybe making that ice cream shop, which is awesome, more visible) and probably foliage runs, scenery runs in the winter, and things like that. It never got past me going down and looking at the property. It's probably for the best.
I had to pay for the CO and new lines to be put in. My home is 24 miles out of the village and about 65 out of a real town. It was a bit pricey but not bad. I paid about $30k for the line and CO. They did the labor for free or at a reduced price. The guy further up threw in another $1k to go the extra mile. The ones past him don't want the 'net. I get 14-15 down and 1.5 up. That's more than enough for me though I'd like to play with the numbers a little bit and change to 10/5.
But, if you have a minute, I'll share a bit of my story with you. You might find it interesting and be able to pick and pull out the parts that you like and work towards those ends. It'll be a bit long but you can skip, skim, or read as you wish. No reply is needed, it does me well to write and there might be something in there for you or for another reader. It not only can happen, it has happened.
Depending on where you live, I retired to Maine, going with copper may get you a whole slew of rights and protections that you don't get with cable, fiber, satellite, or WISP. I actually priced out cable and I'd have had to have them run more wire (the village has cable) but they'd have done it - it was a similar price, as I recall. But, with all those other solutions, I'm dependent on the ISP. With the mighty copper, I've got the PUC and the rights associated with a phone line.
The primary example that I like to use for those rights? Well... I can use an ISP in Hong Kong if I want and they're willing to service the area. The telephone company can not disallow access to the lines. They must provide them, at cost pretty much, to anybody looking to lease them and provide service on them. (If you think back, remember when we suddenly could get cheap long distance from a whole bunch of customers? Same law.) I can, literally, pick any ISP that wants to serve me. They don't even have to maintain or own the lines.
I have three different, disparate, lines. One is in my home, one is in my garage, the other is in the house that was on the property when i bought it. (I always feel a little self-conscious when I say "guest house" because, while it is a guest house - that's a whole lot more pretentious than it really is. I have not always had a few dollars and only have those few dollars because I sold my business 8 years ago.) Now, all three of those lines can have a different ISP if I want. The telephone provider is obligated to maintain the line up until it enters my house. Maine's got some neat protections for telephones and I'm really grateful for it.
So, I went with DSL as my method. I've stated a number of times, and I repeat, that I'm very happy with that choice - for me. I'm not home now but I'll be back in the spring. A thread just popped up about DSL so I'll probably type more in there. I priced an ISDN and that was slower and more costly - it also, for some reason, is actually excluded from some of the protections that a telephone has (as I understand it - I'm neither an expert not a lawyer).
If you don't need fiber (which was not a realistic option for me) then DSL could be an option in this fantasy you're constructing? I also posted a reply to one of the people who replied to you. If you buy in quantity, you can get land cheaper than the price you listed in my area. I buy large chunks at auctions - so long as they connect. I've arranged to buy another good chunk - with an active farm. The land is kept open, public access not only allowed but invited, and the farm will continue to work. My housekeeper and her husband own the farm but they're pretty old. They're actually still down here with me in Florida but are probably going to go home soon. They have a young couple that lives there help them out and they're running the farm (it's a small affair) and they'll continue to run the farm.
I'm paying the couple and taking ownership now but they'll be able to use it until they decide to move or pass away. It's all good. The wife in the new couple will be my new housekeeper but I'll continue to pay this one in perp
No, I don't really want to but I can't see how we can hold the moral high ground until they're given a military tribunal. And yes, that means they might go free. I'd not expect it to be a civil trial and I'm okay with that. A tribunal, which can be held without public scrutiny in closed hearings - legally, is probably the best answer. So, I'm okay with a trial - for all of them and in something resembling that whole "speedy" thing.
Does that mean they'll go free? I hope not, but they might. Don't mistake this for reading that I want those sick fuckers alive. Oh, I'd probably be okay with having a Scout Sniper monitor them 24/7 and shooting them at the first sign of offense if they're set free. I'm pretty fucking lenient with "credible threat." I sure as shit don't like these people and you know that.
I've seen enough of your posts to know you're not only *not* dumb but aren't a crazy zealot (most of the time). Passionate? Sure. Zealot? No, not something I've observed.
So, lacking anything else at the moment, let me also appeal to your pride. These American values - do they stop just because we're scared? Do we give them a lawful tribunal and accept the risks? There's no way we're gonna swing 'em down for a Fed trial in NYC. There's more to it than a trial - there's a speedy trial. How long have they been waiting for this? For some of them, that's going on 15 years - without trial.
I could be wrong but only a small subset getting a tribunal? My understanding was that there was going to be "a number" of tribunals. So far, they've got lawyers. I don't believe anyone's been to a proceeding yet - in person or via video messaging. (They do that with some dangerous criminals, they never actually physically set foot in a court room - even for sentencing.) It's not just one right, it's all of them.
Now, there's some overlap but the UCMJ includes a right to a speedy trial as do criminal matters and civil matters in the State and Federal courts. I want to say that's in Article 10 but I've not actually seen the UCMJ in years. I guess I can look it up and cite it, if you'd rather. That's part of it too. The defendant can, if they want - and they sometimes do, give up their right to a speedy trial but the Government can not take that right from them. They're our prisoners, they should get their rights according to their status. Right now, they're being held by the military, I'd submit that includes all rights under the UCMJ.
In other words, get this shit done and over with. If they go free then that sucks. It's not like we're not already wasting enough money and these guys will have intelligence kept on them forever. Use 'em as a damned honey pot. But, yes... It's not *just* about the trial. It's about a speedy trial, the right to face their accuser, the burden of evidence, the 5th, the 4th, and 6th and more. It's not just one right, it's all the ones we can reasonably give them - not the least we can get away with. No, no... They don't get the 2nd Amendment rights, for example.
I probably should have made that more clear in my first post but I didn't really think it'd be as effective at getting your attention if I wrote my typical novella. So, yes - it's all the rights we can reasonably give them and that includes the 6th Amendment or, in a tribunal, the Article 10 right to a speedy trial. (I'm pretty sure it's 10?) It's about America being what American is supposed to mean. I hate to use the pithy saying but it's about America being great again. Really, we've been kind of letting our government, that represents us, fuck up a bit lately. This might go a ways towards healing those wounds and doing better in the future.
But no, it's not just about the trial and I'm pretty sure that NPR was telling me, a while back, that only some of them were going to get a tribunal and that an "unknown number" would continue to remain there indefinitely. We, if we're going to be the rule of law, should probably hold the moral high ground. To me, that means giving maximum rights and protections of the
Yes and yes.
However, you wouldn't want to live there. No sir. It's cold, desolate, and the people have firearms. There are no jobs, no economy, and no hope. Nope. You don't want to live there.
Err... My home is in NW Maine and I've bought land at much lower prices than that. I've bought significant chunks of land, actually. You can use it, I don't mind. Just clean up after yourself. No, you can't build on it but you can camp on it if you want. I just ask that ATVs and trucks stay on the trails as much as possible and that you pick up after yourself and that you don't start a fire you can't control. You can hunt, fish, pick wild berries, and even trap if you know how.
But no, no... You don't want to move there. You can get natural regrowth old paper mill property (was harvested a long time ago) and even get replant for dirt cheap. As in, yeah, you can get it auction for $200 an acre. Now, you're not going to get that price if you're buying 10 acres. No, you need to buy anywhere from 100 to 250 for that sort of price.
So, yes and yes. I've no idea where they live but you can buy land for under $1000/acre. You just don't want to. It's a terrible place and you wouldn't like it there. If you don't believe me, research black flies, mosquitoes, deer flies, moose flies, ticks, snow, ice, freezing temperatures, mud season, and frost heave season. Nope... Don't ever move there.
Shall I show you a picture of me?
Then again, I'm pretty sure we've had part of this discussion before. You don't even believe what you typed. I know better. Sheesh. You're not dumb, I know better. Hell, you're probably a Libertarian yourself - you've shared your politics before. The whole thing about Libertarian (and people seem to forget this) is the "liberty" part. Liberties are for people. Objects are inanimate. Objects don't get rights, people get rights - they even have rights to property.
Why? Seriously? You don't even believe that.
Your signature talks about rationality. Do you always judge a whole based on a small number? I'm a Libertarian. I have been in the party for a lot of years - like lots, as in I'm old and have been involved for about 40 years now when the party was still young.
Go on, tell me what I believe, what my political philosophy is, and where I am, specifically if you don't mind, naive.
You can do anyone of a number of things to reply to this. One of those things is to learn something new - you might even be surprised. There are several others in this thread, I'm sure they'll help you out as well. There's even one in here who has already moved to New Hampshire. Surely, if they're naive then it'd be your part of the social contract to help inform them, yes?
But, if you'd rather, you can simply start by telling me what it is that you believe my political beliefs are. Seriously, I won't bite and I'll work to respond to any question you have in good faith and complete honesty. Any question you have, I'll try to answer as completely as I can. I promise, I don't bite and I almost guarantee that you'll be surprised. I'll even give you a complete money back guarantee.
All of your points are 100% true.
Except for the part where he claimed the view was that of a Libertarian in his post. If you actually read the thread, you'll find the Libertarian was the one who was supporting pro-choice. In other words, their post is predicated on a lie (it's threaded under FlyHelicopters, a Republican and not a Libertarian and the Libertarian was the one espousing the pro-choice argument) and you are perpetuating that lie.
Why?
Hmm... *cocks head to the side* You're smarter than you look. Don't you love it when people tell you how you think and believe based on a caricature?
Dunno how long you've been a Libertarian (just noticed a post a while back) but it's kind of amusing how perspectives and the narrative change. I've not actually changed my beliefs but, by virtue of my party affiliation, I've somehow gone from being on the loony left to being on the authoritarian right. The funny thing is, I'm pretty damned left.
At any rate... You'll probably just have to repeat yourself three days from now when people will again (sometimes the same people) make the same accusations, based on the same caricature. However, I suspect you already know that. Also, your first post was very correct. They (we) will be arguing for years. I like to say that we'd have had weed legalized years ago but someone forgot where they put the petition.
I do not know if they still do but they did make Maine's license plates in the NH prisons. Those say, "Vacationland."
What's amusing is that there are so many folks here who think they are able to speculate on how the locals will accept you. I chuckled. I've been watching the project for years but I have no intentions of joining you. My home is already in Maine but I'm just up 16 "a little bit." Well, sort of... I'll let you get back to work but it has been really amusing to read the thread. I'm sure you're getting a kick out of it. I did not realize that any of you were here. When I get back home (spring) I'll have to take a closer peek and see what's new.
Oh, yeah... There's a whole lot of moldy money in NH. Lots of fresh bills but lots, and lots, of old and moldy money. A lot of people don't realize what some of that stuff brings in. Hell, look at the stretch along the White Mountains, Laconia, Plymouth, etc... That's a big commitment and quite a chance of scenery for some of them. Either way, don't work to hard. I might see if you'll let me pick your brain at some point.
I've been keeping an eye on them. I am just being neighborly but I have an interest in the project that is too long for full disclosure - even for me. Let's just say that I'm invested. Honestly, I'm not really inclined to say much more at this time.
However, I've been peeking and poking since I first heard about the project and one thing that I think a lot of folks here don't quite understand is that this is New Hampshire. New Hampshire is, well... Let's just say that a portion of New Hampshire is capable of being both vocal and politically active. The State motto for NH is, "Live Free or Die." I don't know about you but, to me, that's a pretty big commitment and a whole stack of folks from NH seem rather keen on the motto.
Now, what people don't seem to get is that, as near as I can tell, these folks are quite welcome. The only people that I've heard complain are, in some direct way, involved with politics and the things they have to say aren't exactly polite. The average citizen? Yeah, they're seemingly okay with it. They're not just okay with it, they're welcoming. Someone above mentioned talking to "a lot" of people who had moved from NH and relayed what they were "told" by "a lot" of people. Well, I've actually met a lot of people *in* NH (I kinda, sorta, live right next door when I'm home - I literally hop on 16 and I'm not long before I'm in NH) and the people *in* NH, the ones that I communicate with, are quite happy to have the few that they have already and they welcome more.
I kinda suspect that they've not actually met "a lot" of people who used to live in NH and drove through that specific area in Keene on the day they had their Pumpkin Protest thing. It just seems, well... I don't want to call 'em a liar or anything but I suspect some truth is being stretched and probably for an obvious reason. The question is - who's stretching the truth... I'd speculate but that's not really my goal here.
No, I suspect these guys will do just fine. Unlike many other States, NH has people who are willing to read or learn more than what fits on a bumper sticker. Also, well... For the most part, they make good neighbors - read into that what you will. It's more complicated and longer than I care to type this morning but you seem like the kind of person (a local?) who understands.
So, no... The locals don't mind them a bit. In fact, they welcome them - with open arms, just so long as they're neighborly. Yes, that's not an absolute statement. There are exceptions - probably vocal exceptions. We can, again, speculate why. There have been gaffs. There will be more. Not much goes exactly according to plan.
I dare say, so far in the whole thread, you're the only one I've seen so far that's really paying attention. A couple of others above indicated that they're either local or are paying a little attention from afar but yeah, there's a lot more here than meets the eye and a lot more than makes the papers. Remember, only the noisy folks make the papers. While a New Hampshite may be quiet, they'll let you know when they've got a problem. For better or worse, things are going to change in NH but probably not as much as some folks might think. I suspect it's the outsiders who think this means they'll be stomping in and changing everything overnight. Well, that's not going to happen in NH. But there will be changes - just not like folks here seem to think.
Then again, though I've explained it enough times, most of them don't actually know what a Libertarian is. In their defense, quite a few of the people who self-describe themselves as Libertarians don't know what it means either. For the most part, the ones moving into NH do. It'd be dishonest to say I'm not somehow affiliated so, suffice to say, I'm familiar with them enough to know that these aren't really the crazy people who have slapped on the moniker Libertarian because they're ashamed to be a Republican. They're not exactly Randians but they're not all quite like I. That's okay too. Mostly, however, they're sane and fairly well groun
As long as you're not up north, New Hampshire's got people. If you're north, northwest, or even just west? No, not so much. But New Hampshire's got some fairly densely populated areas assuming you're not in the White Mountains like Jefferson or North Conway. Even those two towns are populated, depending on the season. It's a nice area up there and, if you're dedicated, you could commute to Manchester or Keene or something.
As for tech? Well... That really depends on what they're into. The capitol has some tech, Portsmouth has some tech, Exeter (spelling?) has some tech, Nashua has some, and it's tit to commute from there into Mass. 'Snot like they're moving to my neighborhood or anything. Though I do, technically, have a neighbor back home who commutes to Mass. He just stays there all week. (My home is way up in NW, Maine. Kind of not far from NH if you use Mainer definitions of "far.")
Then, if they point the other direction for their commute, they can hit Maine easily enough. That's not too bad if they're gonna commute up to the Portland area. I've known a couple of people who have commuted as far as Bath/Brunswick but that's pushing it. NH has a not bad economy, all things considered. Most of it's fairly clean and it's *very* nice up north and the White Mountains are beautiful. They do have some Subaru-driving-angry-women-from-Vermont that go through but they're mostly harmless. I just hop on 16 and head to NH that way - it's pretty quick actually. Well, until Frost Heave Season.
NH has some seasonal activities. They've generally got a few shows worth seeing in the summer. I actually drove down and saw Meatloaf not too many years back. He's still ugly but he's still a damned fine vocalist. If they've got kids, there's the whole North Conway to Jefferson pile of stuff to do - from Santa's Village to the trains down in N. Conway. There's the Kancamagus highway, if you're a fan of driving. That brings you out by the Castle in the Clouds. If you've never been on that highway and you're a driving enthusiast, I highly recommend you do it during the summer, during the fall (go slower), and during the winter. In the winter, hang on for dear life and have a good time - best done during a big ol' blizzard and driven down just to drive that specific highway taking a good 8 hours or so and in 2WD RWD vehicle like an old 245. It's awesome! It's even more fun when you turn around and do it in the opposite direction. There's Six Gun City but I've never been - it looks lame.
Then, there are the White Mountains. Now, if you're really nice and a member of a group or able to go on certain days with certain vehicles, you can RACE up the mountain. Yup... It's a private road and they'll let you race up it. You can take a nifty train that climbs the mountain - no, it climbs it. No, really, it climbs it. It's gotta name - I'm not looking it up. Cogs! That's it. It's got cogs and it climbs it. You can take a van but that's for pussies. Drive it - your vehicle will need to be able to shift into first gear. If the vehicle does not have first gear, you can not drive up it. You might also want to learn how to use your brakes efficiently and effectively as well as ensure the emergency brake is in good working order.
The foliage isn't bad. That's why you do the White Mountains and the Kancamagus in the fall too. Bring your mother-in-law, that'll shut her up for a while.
Ah, okay. Yeah - uMatrix does that. It's quite refined in the results and a pure whitelist approach. I don't see/get any of those things unless I explicitly allow them. Then I save them, if I want, and don't need to configure it again for the next session. Somewhere in this thread, I linked to the Firefox version and the Chrome version as well as gave some more information.
If that's what's holding you back from switching then it's possibly something you want to look into. You might find that it suits your purposes and even meets your expectations. I prefer to liken it to an old-school Windows software firewall but explicitly for your browser.
Those are probably quite a bit of info that can be used for a variety of results. They can be used to track you, monetize you, and probably even dig deeper if they had server logs. Me? Oh no... Err... I'm David. I've met a bunch of you crazy bastards. I've fed some of you, gotten you drunk, and entertained you. So, I guess it's what you do with it that matters?
Though, I suppose, with access to server logs and some sleuthing it might be possible to ferret you out. Given your likes and dislikes and some access to the back-end at a few similar sites, they might be able to. But yeah, I presume I'd be able to figure a lot out about you just by your post history. Possibly more than we might realize.
Well, part of it is cultural. People are moving away from general purpose computing. Is that because they never took advantage of it before? Is that for some other reason or reasons?
Maybe open hardware? That's a trend that folks are working at but it's not as realistic as I hope. No, I'm not expecting end-users to jump all over open hardware necessarily. I'd expect others to do things that enabled others to utilize their freedoms more.
Be vocal but not obnoxious? "There's no need to store your photos in the cloud. You can host them on your old computer at home just as easily."
It's bigger than open source software, I think. Hell, a lot of it is (currently) running on open source software. People have managed to take open source software and find a way to *reduce* their freedom - voluntarily. Or, in the case of businesses, for the sake of saving a percent of a percent by using the "cloud." Yes, yes I'm aware that a cloud can be hosted locally. We called that a server room.
We've got enough compute power, in everyone's pocket, to do great things. Yet, here we are, using them as dumb terminals. That's sort of okay, what about when you want to make something?
If I see one saving grace, and this may seem odd, it's that I'm seeing more devices come with a keyboard now - or at least with that as an option. It has usually been an option, just not always utilized. I'd like to hope that the keyboard may turn things around. The keyboard may change it from being a consumption device to a creation device.
If they're a creation device then that might be the drive that keeps the general purpose computer, in the home, alive. I'm open to suggestions... I'll be buggered if I know the answers. I don't know how to fix it but I can tell you that my wrist is well and truly screwed. I really don't know how to fix this. I can't think of a magic fix - it's also cultural and no software seems to fix that. I can't even blame it on Facebook, Twitter, or even the kids today, the kids don't know any better.
That is confusing BUT it's okay - so long as they don't feel like they don't have to accept the consequences of their actions. Maybe your buddy was happier with his major and his job? Maybe he wanted to study something new? I get that and I accept it. Hell, I even think it's important. What I don't think is that our economy is designed to employ them and that they made choices and must accept the consequences of those choices. 'Snot like I'm asking a whole lot here.
I think the difference, perhaps, might have been that the interviewee was so proud of herself. The lady doing the interview was visually, obviously, disgusted and the interviewee was completely and totally impervious to that. I don't remember exactly what the major was, something like interpretive dance or the likes. At any rate, I doubt there's a huge market for people with their Masters interpreting other people stomping around on stage while a guy on acid plays a combination of banjo, thumb piano, and gongs.
I looked and there are so many choices that I'm not gonna spend that much time trying to find it again. It was on Fark at the time. I wish I could remember the quotes. You'd die in a giggle fit and for all the wrong reasons. Something like, "I have my masters! I should be making at least one hundred fifty thousand dollars a year! I earned it!"
And she had people cheering her on... And she had people on Fark who agreed with every word she said. I was baffled. I was flabbergasted. During the OWS Fest, I was careful to use certain verbiage and to do a lot of communicating. I was told that the 1%ers (all of them) needed to be put up against the wall and shot, have their families killed before them, were all criminals, were responsible for the plight of damned near anything you can think of (and some you might overlook), and so many other things. Those were the people representing what actually had a few legitimate gripes.
*sighs*
No, no you don't deserve a trophy. You picked a degree in underwater basket weaving. If you'd gone to a trade school and swapped out weaving for welding, you'd be doing pretty well for yourself. No, go take a shower, dye your hair back to normal, remove some of the metal from your face, and fetch me my coffee - please and thank you. And no, I don't really care about the holes in their face or even their hair color - it's just that you're probably gonna have a hard time getting a job with a tattoo on your forehead that says, "Fuck the 1%ers." But I'm sure they still think they've earned a six figure salary or, at least, are owed one even if they've not earned it. Why? I don't know. Because fuck those guys who made some money, that's why!
The funny thing is, on the scale of things? I don't really have that much money. I gave a whole ton of it away and I use the rest to make more money and give that away. I splurged and bought myself a BMW this past year. Now that my needs are taken care of, if you ignore property taxes, I probably *personally* spend less money on myself than many of them do. It was fun spending for a while but, frankly, I just don't need anything else.
My girlfriend grew up dirt poor and she doesn't spend shit either. I know, 'cause she keeps telling me what she spent. I find that awkward. I get where it comes from but, still, I tried to avoid it by just giving her the money. "No, hon, I don't need a receipt of even care. *smile* If I gave it to you, and I did, that means it is yours to do with as you wish. If it runs low, let me know." I can't even get her to spend money. :/ Hell, she's still young. Err... I think her purse (handbag really) was about $80 at LL Bean. We ordered it via the mail 'cause I'm not back in Maine and we've only been together since October.
At any rate... I don't know what the hell is wrong with those people?!? If you took a course in underwater basket weaving and you can turn it into a job that pays enough to live on then that's great! Do what you love! If you can't then, well... Surely you *did* major in something else or
Heh... Normally, I'd let ya be but I actually decided to scroll back up here to fuck with you.
See, I read some more of your posts and you're drooling on yourself in public. You rant and rave about corporations. You rant and rave about open source. Well, son... Today is the day you either learn to be humble or you decide to go off in a fit of rage.
Allow me to post a link...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Allow me to quote from that link:
The Free Software Foundation was founded in 1985 as a non-profit corporation supporting free software development.
Emphasis added, emphasis mine.
http://www.linuxfoundation.org...
Heh, there's the corporate charter. Let me get you the salient text...
(an Oregon nonprofit mutual benefit corporation)
Emphasis added, emphasis mine.
Shall I find the articles of incorporation for the folks behind BSD?
'Snot that I'm gonna disagree that Android is Open Source in many, many ways. (See prior posts in this very thread.) It's that your spouted spittle flecked gibberish is a bit silly when the very things you sit there and claim to stand for and appeal for are the same things you claim to hate. I'm afraid that trying to have them both makes you look a bit silly. If you want to know what a corporation is, you need but ask and I'll take the time out of my schedule to explain it to you.
If you don't know the meaning of words, you probably ought not use them in front of people until after you've looked them up. Corporations are not bad things. Corporations are just things. Are you using software or a computer to read this? You're a corporate apologist! Your posts, supporting open source? That's you - being a corporate apologist.
When you say, it's not open source "in spirit" that's just you picking one corporation over another. Yeah, that's a good corporate apologist. I hope you enjoy the taste of leather while you're down there kissing that corporate boot that is the FSF! Bend over and take it for the Linux Foundation - you corporate apologist!
Yeah... Kind of sorry but I couldn't just let that slide. It's okay, we've all posted drunk and stupid on Slashdot. You corporate apologist! ;-)
On android you only have google (note the "only have", google is an ad company after all).
*cocks head quizzically*
I gave up Android a while back but I'm not yet senile and I've got an Android tablet almost within reach. I don't think Installed one single app from Google on my last phone except for Opera. The tablet has Opera and Firefox. I have, however, installed apps from a lot of other places that were, quite specifically, not Google.
If you want to install something off the 'net that you found on some sketchy site, unless I'm forgetting, it actually prompts you to enable installing stuff from 3rd parties. Err... I kind of only know this because I'm that oddball that doesn't actually go installing a whole bunch of things but I've come across a few apps that looked interesting and weren't in the store.
I reread your post a few times, trying to see if I was missing something, and I'm pretty sure I'm not. Also, I don't really agree with you - as tempting as it is. If a user wants to shoot themselves in the foot, I guess it's just easier to let them do so. Taking away the idiots access may also take away the access from the smart person. I'm really not sure that reducing things to the lowest common denominator is the ideal solution? But, that's another point entirely.
I'm pretty sure, positive really, that I've more than Google as an option on my Android tablet and on my old phone. It's like a box. Tick the box and you're good to go. If you try to install something and that box is not ticked, it'll happily take you to that box in the settings so that you can tick it. Once ticked, it seems to stay ticked.
Probably there is one difference: In the PC world a far larger percentage runs "truly" open devices ...
What's kind of worrisome (and I do mean legitimate worry) is that there are an increasing number of people who push for the elimination of the general computing device - i.e. the desktop and much greater choice in the software that runs on it.
I think I've posted enough so that I needn't expound on my being an open source aficionado and not an open source zealot. As an example: I don't really care that someone uses Windows and I'm glad they have that choice - I don't even think that all software should be open source, I think a person should be able to pay for closed source software if they want to.
That said, open source has done a hell of a lot for the industry and for enabling people, regular people, to do great things. I don't know who I'm quoting, and it's not verbatim, but somebody recently said something like this: "Android is Linux after they've taken the kernel into the basement and performed a vivisection on it while raping it with a garden hose."
For 95% of the users, there's not a damned thing open about their phone. While they may not care, or even know, it means as many people are starting to rely on their mobile as their only compute device that the influence had by open source software is going to be lessened. People are giving up their choices, they're not maintaining those choices by keeping desktops, they're giving them up. "It's good enough."
I'm kind of old... (58) So, I might not be here but what will the scene look like in 15 or 20 years? What will the industry look like without the zealots having influence to counter the abuse potential or outright abusive behaviors? What choices will the user have, what will they *really* have for choices? No, not tomorrow - not next year, but twenty years from now.
I'm not a futurist and I don't really do the prediction thing but it's worrisome. I read a lot of comments. Many, many folks seem to be pushing for this and the adoption of this trend is amazingly fast as far as tech goes. What happens when the desktops become rarities and require arcane lore to operate? What about if they become too expensive for the average person to afford as they become specialist items? What about when they're only used by developers and not much else but black boxes exist?
There are a lot of worrisome trends. The trend to return to the days of dumb terminals and leasing time on someone else's hardware is another one that I find concerning. They've got a supercomputer in their pocket but want to run their office suite in the browser, on someone else's hardware, and paying for their slice of time. That looks remarkably familiar. What's the landscape going to look like in 15 or 20 years?
Heh... Yup.
I guess you could say... That was fast...
B) *walks away* (I've actually seen a couple of episodes of that show!!! Yay! Pop culture reference - I've come out from under my rock once or twice.)
I guess. I'll give it a bookmark and see what I can come up with over the weekend. If you want, you can reply and let me know and I'll link you to it when it's ready. I'm sure I can find an appropriate site name and hosting is damned near free. Hell, if I get really bored - I'll see if I can do it (with a TLD) and not pay a nickel for it - just to make 'em think a bit more. I imagine that I can do that.
I did have a picture of me (complete with my face!) during the OWS Festival. I was holding a sign that said quite a bit of similar things to that. Note, I was not at the Festivals (protests?) but simply standing in my living room. I'd made the sign and had the picture taken because I was kind of amused by all the signs that were being posted. "I made horrible life choices and now my parent's won't fund me well enough to achieve my irresponsible dreams and I think I deserve a trophy!" (That's not what the sign said. That's what the 99%er signs said.) The picture was up on Fark and then made it to Reddit and is (intentionally) not attached to this username.
Now, just because it needs saying as this is Slashdot... No, OWS was actually kind of stupid and morally bankrupt as a whole. However, *some* of them had some very good complaints that were legitimate. I can't say that I recollect seeing any good (realistic) solutions being proposed. That's a shame because just noting the viable complaints would have been a good start and they could have actually gotten a more cohesive message across. Instead, they let the zealots, inept, and crazy speak for them and the message they portrayed, to the vast majority of people, was that they were a bunch of people who could not, would not, do anything to better themselves (really better) and were mad about the repercussions of their choices.
I think my favorite was someone claiming that they had huge college debt, was owed a "well paying job," was owed a refund for their college debt, and that "big business" was to blame. The journalist asked what they majored in and this girl looks at the camera with a proud face and spouts out some arts major or humanities major. I don't recall what it was specifically but I burst out laughing when I watched the clip. I was waiting for someone to tell me that it was actually one of those live art things where they interact with people.
However, OWS had some legitimate gripes if we took the time to listen to them. The solutions might have been a bit amiss but the lack of a proposed viable solution does not mean there is no problem. Ah, it was a great festival.
And, if one is curious... I paid for my college by joining the Marines and using the GI Bill. Not just once, twice - I wanted to finish and get my doctorate. What did I major in? Applied Mathematics. It might not be glamorous but when you increase throughput and reduce congestion in traffic (I modeled traffic) across the country, you do a lot for efficiency, productivity, reduction of pollution, and lowering costs. They drove to their OWS events on roads that my company did the consulting, modeling, engineering on (depending on the scale of the project). However, I am where I am today mostly because I got damned lucky and was in the right place, at the right time, while being able to accept risks. I not only am not special, I made more mistakes than needed.
At any rate, I'll bang out a site like that over the weekend. Just a single domain and a single page? Hmm... Should I do a contact form? I can make it more readable but a part of my point was to make it a solid wall of text. I'd agree, a better readability score would be good. Just lemme know and I've got a few minutes this weekend. I've got a few projects going so something that's quick and easy will be good. Seeing it finished and ready for the world will make me feel more productive.
Heh... They're only cookies. ;-) What's the worst they can do? Besides, we're geeks. Pushing buttons is in our nature. If you don't believe me...
Imagine any three of us, you can be one, locked in a room with nothing but each other and a big red, function unknown, button that was clearly labeled "DO NOT PUSH" in white letters. You know that button's getting pushed. It could mean the end of civilization but one of us is pushing that button.
And for my testing, I'm on Lubuntu but using Opera. The end results should be the same. uBlock does, indeed, indicate that there are five elements being blocked.
Curiouser and curiouser. The box, mine, should be clean. I don't actually use it as much as I should - I'm usually booted to a Live USB without persistent data. I just install the latest Opera and a few extensions and run with that. I can import and export my uMatrix settings from dropbox. I've got a number of "images" that I use and, more often than not, I'm actually connected to a VM far away and using a VPN to get there. So, I'd presume I'm pretty clean - at the moment.
Oh, and that might sound complicated to some (and this is more for someone else that might read this than it is for you personally) it's not that hard or that slow. This laptop has 32 GB of RAM in it so it holds a Live USB image just fine - I can even load a VM in my live OS and have room left over - I sometimes do with persistent data. To get it running, I just boot from USB and it takes *maybe* five minutes to get my browser installed as well as the extensions and get those configured. It's not much work at all. As I'm using it for just browsing, though I sometimes configure Thunderbird as well but I cheat for that, I don't really care if it gets burned to the ground. I leave it running for days and days sometimes.
As for the Thunderbird, I just use a profile that's not here. I know that sounds odd to some, I just either use VNC and get it from a box located elsewhere (back home in Maine) or I grab a saved profile (recent) and just stuff it in there in the right hole and it not only works but has my extensions and whatnot. I've even got my keys. I keep it stored on servers that I own and, really, it's not hard at all. It's even "quick enough."
Note: The above two paragraphs really aren't aimed at you. I kind of figure that you know what you're doing and probably know more about what I'm doing than I do. I have, after all, seen you post before or I'd have not actually said anything. The two paragraphs are included for others who might not actually know and be curious as to what sort of idiocy I'm doing, why I'm doing it, and how the hell it actually works. I get some strange responses when I say that I don't have an OS installed and, depending on the box, I often don't. I hardly ever actually use my base install on anything any more. Add it with VNC and VMWare and, well... Throw a VPN into the mix and you've got my base configuration as well as the various Live USBs that I use. It could be more refined but I wanted to get on the road quick and I've not actually been home since September.
That link only wants to set two cookies. One is from them and the other is from chandra.harvard.edu. How'd you get 30 of them? Are they retrying?
uMatrix tells me that they've got 94 elements (most from the first party) and uBlock says 5 ads are blocked.
However, and this may be the difference, you might note the mention of uMatrix. I'm blocking all the third party cookies (except it lists the ones blocked - there's just one) but, and this might be important, I'm blocking all the scripts from third-parties on that site. Maybe it is those scripts that are loading those cookies? They're the usual scripts from Facebook, recapcha, Google, Twitter, and JQuerry. But those aren't actually trying to load cookies. Maybe they are awaiting the loading of the script to do so?
Except, that doesn't necessarily make sense. See, on *most* pages, those sites would be trying to load cookies *and* scripts, but they're quite explicitly not doing so on the page you linked. Which is odd... I can open a tab and go to a different page (like The Free Dictionary) and see Google trying to load a script. It's also happily trying to load a cookie. But, it's not doing that at the site you linked - even when I refresh and browse around a little bit.
The reason I take the time to type this is because, well... You might have a problem? I'm pretty sure I'm not affected by malware and haven't made any changes that would be blocking just that one site's attempts. No, they'd show up - if they were being made. They're not. I'd be curious as to why you're getting whacked with 30 of them and I'm seeing only two. I'm not even seeing attempts to load more. Err... I can screen shot an example site and the site you linked to, if you want? Do you still get 30 attempts if you disable ads? That might be it...
Ah well, I'd clicked out of morbid curiosity and then noticed it was just two cookies and not thirty. I've no reason to believe you'd lie about it, nor can I imagine why you would. So, I figured I'd share the discrepancy and see if that'd help you find out if there's a problem with someone injecting code into your IP stream or what.