I can not even begin to imagine the circumstances where a pilot would try that in combat. It does, however, show the ability of the plane. It is beautiful. I could see the Cobra position/move used to scrub speed or fire in a new direction in a traditional dog fight but the whole thing? No... Good Buddha, no.
PBS has an excellent documentary about the battle of the x planes. Ugliness is not why it was not chosen as I recall. I did disagree with the choice but it was not because of ugliness. I felt that, in my layman's view and given the information that I had, Boeing made a better offer.
We still can't make it cheaper or faster than they can. I think China could just about do the whole ant thing and bridge over the ocean and still have enough people to attack the US directly. They probably won't, however. We may go a few more generations without a major war on the scale of the two world wars. If the losses are proportional, look out.
The Marines are just giddy to have a new toy of their own that they did not have to beg from the Navy or the Army as a second-hand device. They have an angry history in those regards. They'll be happy with a ball and cup if it has USMC stenciled on the side. Source: Eight years as a Marine.
Wanna make a Marine angry? Lemme share a joke with you... I am not sure how well to put it in print.
You know, that thing that flies in the sky, it goes straight up and does not need a runway? Has a rotor on the top? Well, what does the Air Force call them? Helicopters. Those same craft, what does the Navy call them? Whirly birds. And what does the Army call them? Choppers. Now, what do the Marines call them? I don't know... *point up in the sky* Oook Oook!
You are on your own after that. They come in packs. I survived telling this joke at Tun's Tavern. I have a slight advantage. It was well received, considering.
I seem to recall a few Aces being made early in the Gulf War but that was, frankly, a slaughter and I think it may have only been two - Discovery Wings Over the Gulf series. It is not the US but I think Israel still has a couple of active Aces on the force though I doubt any of them still fly - again, the Wings series. I do not recall any Aces in Iraq II or Afghanistan, however.
You know we refuel them in the air these days, right? We can also bring a whole bunch of floating airports with other planes to the region. More importantly, that has a zero percent chance of happening. If it does? Well, let me offer my apologies in advance.
That is pretty cheap considering the number we would send there for free if there were ever a chance you needed to use them in defense. They won't help you against us, much, but that's not really the topic of discussion.
Have you seen the test pilot who took the SU-27 into the Cobra and then flipped it all the way back around? I creamed my man panties - not because I want people to die but because it is that awesome. I can, and have, flown a little bit - I am not allowed to land or take off as I have no permit. I have flown all around my land in a rented plane with a real licensed pilot beside me. Stuff like that, though? That just makes me squirt a little.
The Russians have been building some very practical and capable military gear for a very long time. There's a great documentary on it - something like Soviet Wings or Wings Over Russia? There are a few - one of them is narrated by someone who does not speak English well - watch that one.
Anyhow, I am unable to afford, fly, or buy an SU-27. If I could? Hmm... I'd probably buy a Grippen, but I'd happily take one of each. I'd also take one each of the F-16 and F-15. Hmm... And a B-52 and a C-130 or C-5. There are a number of helicopters I would own from the Soviet days. Oh my... Do not get me started on other tools of war. I have no desire to harm anyone. I just like really fun toys. I played with more cool shit in eight years than I have played with since and that is not for lack of trying.
Big iron is nice. Throwing scads of RAM at a problem is nice. It does not even compare to an M-202. More fun is driving the guy who wields Ma Deuce around in an M998. Never mind an automatic rifle that you can use out to 500 yards with open sights (on single round, maybe center mass with three round burst if you're locked in properly). These tools of death are really damned fun. I think everybody should get to fire Ma Deuce, at something inanimate, for a little while. They should sell tickets and make it an amusement park feature. They can use that money to fund buying more bombers.
To be fair, I had a Jeep that sucked because it did not have a PTO. I sold it and bought a '73 Wagoneer with a Borg Warner (spelling?) farm tractor transmission (factory) that had a PTO... It is a hideous orange - factory. I love it. It gets more compliments than my dog. I have no use for the PTO but, damn it, I have standards. I did have it run a friend's saw mill at one point. We even dragged the mill out to the woods with it. I, personally, have no use for that but it is handy to have.
That's what apt-get is for. Or CURL... You already got X running... It's sure to have a terminal installed somewhere.
Not that that detracts from your idea or anything but, really, I think we'd be okay. Imma installing Lynx first. sudo apt-get install lynx! I can slashdot while I figure out what next to install. I mean, come on now, I have like countless distros here. I'll just toss in a live DVD on another box if I have to. I'd almost find it an affront if I did.
I'd also recommend sudo apt-get update... You might want to try adding a PPA by editing the config, that's stuffed in there somewhere. Buggered if I know where but I am sure it is in there somewhere. I did add PPA manually with Mint to enable me to update to the new LibreOffice. It was trivial and I had not even noticed I wasn't at the newest packages. Sheesh...
Please, do back this up with citations and some numbers. Why yes, yes I do love history - specifically this subject. No, America did not WIN the war by herself - as some would believe. You can thank the Russians for most of that. Who do you think funded and supplied that war - on the allies side exclusively - until they were bombed and had enough political support to do (and did) more?
Who do you think stopped Japan from getting oil? They had plenty until we got subs in the area and were able to secure the oceans enough to do so - work that you can, quite literally, state was done almost entirely at the expense of Americans on the allies side (note that a lot of Chinese died, as an example, but they were not so effective at ridding themselves of the Japanese). Australia? New Zealand? You can thank America for that.
By no means did American resources exclusively result in a win for the allies. They sure as hell helped and many, many Americans died to help out. As many as other countries? Nope. Not overall. More than one is too many. This is the thanks we get? This dishonesty? This, I do not know what else to call it, absurd myth?
How about you throw some citations out seeing as you made the claim? Enlighten me... I even watch documentaries in Russian to ensure I get a full view of things. None of them even remotely claim your view is correct. None... I have read, I have no idea how many, too many books on the subject who have expertise in the field so I am going to ask that you provide some facts - I'll even take AND review objectively original research if you have documentation. I can and will work my way through a translation as needed. I have Google and am willing to put the effort in.
Good job, chucklefuck, you probably have fallen for something you'd decry and despise in others. I am old. I am 57. I had family that still talked about it, when they could. That made me interested. I decided to be objective and honest because what they taught me at school was obviously false or, at least, really misleading. However, to go so far as to deny reality to support a narrative is just plain silly.
At best, at level best, you can claim that WWII started when Japan initially invaded China (late 1920s) when they moved into Manchuria and that area. (I am not a historian - just a fan of history.) Even then the US was already acting - maybe not as much as you would like. Then, let's move to the more well known Lend Lease Act - pushed against populist opinion I might add - and think about how the US was happily sending civilian lives as merchant marines to sea while also protecting convoys halfway across the ocean and building air bases in the Northern Atlantic regions to better enable protection as the technology improved.
Do you know how the Merlin got into the Mustang? The Brits figured it out. How did they have the Mustangs? They were GIVEN to them at that point as the US was already involved in the war - that's a late example for you. Guess who flew them? Guess who stormed Normandy? Guess who weakened the Germans so that Normandy was do-able? The Russians.
Shall we stomp over and see what was going on in the Mediterranean? Operation Torch mean anything? Hell, have you ever looked at the raids across the Med? The attempts to bomb the oil fields that had belonged to the Russians before hand? As an aside, and not at all to do with the conversation really, have you ever read about Malta???
Let's then examine the quick little jaunt into Italy. Hell, the US did not even do the "solving" at Mount SomethingOrOther which had been a beautiful monastery but made excellent hiding for entrenched forces. Guess who brought all those soldiers there and protected them and did the naval bombardment... Guess who stormed those beaches at Anzio...
Now, I am biased, but let's take a trip back to the fucking Pacific. What the fuck all was going on to stop or slow the Japanese before US involvement? Go on, list them and enumerate this great wisdom of yours. Did you forget the bombing of Australia
Because, fuck you - that's why. I wish I were kidding. Someone might come along and try to justify it. However, someone should be accountable. A resignation or two would be nice. An apology would be nice. Jail? Meh... Money? Meh... Those are trivial when we look at the root of the problem.
Alright... I have nothing better to do. What metrics are we going to use to determine what is and is not a valid win in a military conflict? I will let you decide the premise.
Stealth technology was used quite a bit at the start of the conflict - when it should be used. Once they are unable to lob missiles at you and can field no planes then, well, stealth really does not play an important role and there are far less expensive solutions.
Isn't Borisoglebsk a submarine or a base? *checks wiki* They shot down an F22 with a submarine or a base in Russia did it and it was over the Ukraine or? I am not following.
Is your life that boring? They replied with gibberish. Sheesh. Gibberish. If you want you can actually review the whole thing just for taking the time. Look carefully at the usernames. Unless you are all of them, in that case, I pay a lot for your insurance - take advantage of it.
Why care about moderation that much? Hell, I am fucking shocked that I have "excellent" karma. I do not say nice things and am seldom on topic. I can't say I agree with you - I am not sure how I think, they're pretty cushy at their new home but it still sucks but we do it to other animals and have decided that is okay. We draw the line at Whales? Why stop there? So, no... I haven't a clue. I suspect is that they just don't want to have to deal with protesters. Say what you want. Nobody gives a shit, really. Karma is for burning, after all. Why earn it if you're not going to use it?
AC starts at zero if you do not apply any bonus to it and you are signed in. It is zero for ACs to. Not at -1... Not unless they have changed something. I probably would have heard about it.
Maybe we will visually act with the data in another way? I'm still not plugging any of that shit in but tech may be very different by 2030 in some other guy's house. The last thing I want is more computer stuff.:/ I have piles of stuff I do not even play with already. We all do. How many of us could not build at least one decent computer out of parts or has not already done so and is using it currently? Who knows where it will be, though.
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Hibernation never works for me and I am unwilling to debug it. Suspend works like a champ, though.
I can not even begin to imagine the circumstances where a pilot would try that in combat. It does, however, show the ability of the plane. It is beautiful. I could see the Cobra position/move used to scrub speed or fire in a new direction in a traditional dog fight but the whole thing? No... Good Buddha, no.
I dunno... You *can* send a ballet dancer to an MMA fight if you want. It might make an interesting match, at some level.
Yes, yes... I know. I will go sit in the corner.
PBS has an excellent documentary about the battle of the x planes. Ugliness is not why it was not chosen as I recall. I did disagree with the choice but it was not because of ugliness. I felt that, in my layman's view and given the information that I had, Boeing made a better offer.
We still can't make it cheaper or faster than they can. I think China could just about do the whole ant thing and bridge over the ocean and still have enough people to attack the US directly. They probably won't, however. We may go a few more generations without a major war on the scale of the two world wars. If the losses are proportional, look out.
The Marines are just giddy to have a new toy of their own that they did not have to beg from the Navy or the Army as a second-hand device. They have an angry history in those regards. They'll be happy with a ball and cup if it has USMC stenciled on the side. Source: Eight years as a Marine.
Wanna make a Marine angry? Lemme share a joke with you... I am not sure how well to put it in print.
You know, that thing that flies in the sky, it goes straight up and does not need a runway? Has a rotor on the top? Well, what does the Air Force call them?
Helicopters.
Those same craft, what does the Navy call them?
Whirly birds.
And what does the Army call them?
Choppers.
Now, what do the Marines call them?
I don't know...
*point up in the sky* Oook Oook!
You are on your own after that. They come in packs. I survived telling this joke at Tun's Tavern. I have a slight advantage. It was well received, considering.
I seem to recall a few Aces being made early in the Gulf War but that was, frankly, a slaughter and I think it may have only been two - Discovery Wings Over the Gulf series. It is not the US but I think Israel still has a couple of active Aces on the force though I doubt any of them still fly - again, the Wings series. I do not recall any Aces in Iraq II or Afghanistan, however.
Because someone in Europe bombs themselves into oblivion every generation, maybe? Just a thought...
You know we refuel them in the air these days, right? We can also bring a whole bunch of floating airports with other planes to the region. More importantly, that has a zero percent chance of happening. If it does? Well, let me offer my apologies in advance.
That is pretty cheap considering the number we would send there for free if there were ever a chance you needed to use them in defense. They won't help you against us, much, but that's not really the topic of discussion.
Have you seen the test pilot who took the SU-27 into the Cobra and then flipped it all the way back around? I creamed my man panties - not because I want people to die but because it is that awesome. I can, and have, flown a little bit - I am not allowed to land or take off as I have no permit. I have flown all around my land in a rented plane with a real licensed pilot beside me. Stuff like that, though? That just makes me squirt a little.
The Russians have been building some very practical and capable military gear for a very long time. There's a great documentary on it - something like Soviet Wings or Wings Over Russia? There are a few - one of them is narrated by someone who does not speak English well - watch that one.
Anyhow, I am unable to afford, fly, or buy an SU-27. If I could? Hmm... I'd probably buy a Grippen, but I'd happily take one of each. I'd also take one each of the F-16 and F-15. Hmm... And a B-52 and a C-130 or C-5. There are a number of helicopters I would own from the Soviet days. Oh my... Do not get me started on other tools of war. I have no desire to harm anyone. I just like really fun toys. I played with more cool shit in eight years than I have played with since and that is not for lack of trying.
Big iron is nice. Throwing scads of RAM at a problem is nice. It does not even compare to an M-202. More fun is driving the guy who wields Ma Deuce around in an M998. Never mind an automatic rifle that you can use out to 500 yards with open sights (on single round, maybe center mass with three round burst if you're locked in properly). These tools of death are really damned fun. I think everybody should get to fire Ma Deuce, at something inanimate, for a little while. They should sell tickets and make it an amusement park feature. They can use that money to fund buying more bombers.
To be fair, I had a Jeep that sucked because it did not have a PTO. I sold it and bought a '73 Wagoneer with a Borg Warner (spelling?) farm tractor transmission (factory) that had a PTO... It is a hideous orange - factory. I love it. It gets more compliments than my dog. I have no use for the PTO but, damn it, I have standards. I did have it run a friend's saw mill at one point. We even dragged the mill out to the woods with it. I, personally, have no use for that but it is handy to have.
That's what apt-get is for. Or CURL... You already got X running... It's sure to have a terminal installed somewhere.
Not that that detracts from your idea or anything but, really, I think we'd be okay. Imma installing Lynx first. sudo apt-get install lynx! I can slashdot while I figure out what next to install. I mean, come on now, I have like countless distros here. I'll just toss in a live DVD on another box if I have to. I'd almost find it an affront if I did.
I'd also recommend sudo apt-get update... You might want to try adding a PPA by editing the config, that's stuffed in there somewhere. Buggered if I know where but I am sure it is in there somewhere. I did add PPA manually with Mint to enable me to update to the new LibreOffice. It was trivial and I had not even noticed I wasn't at the newest packages. Sheesh...
Please, do back this up with citations and some numbers. Why yes, yes I do love history - specifically this subject. No, America did not WIN the war by herself - as some would believe. You can thank the Russians for most of that. Who do you think funded and supplied that war - on the allies side exclusively - until they were bombed and had enough political support to do (and did) more?
Who do you think stopped Japan from getting oil? They had plenty until we got subs in the area and were able to secure the oceans enough to do so - work that you can, quite literally, state was done almost entirely at the expense of Americans on the allies side (note that a lot of Chinese died, as an example, but they were not so effective at ridding themselves of the Japanese). Australia? New Zealand? You can thank America for that.
By no means did American resources exclusively result in a win for the allies. They sure as hell helped and many, many Americans died to help out. As many as other countries? Nope. Not overall. More than one is too many. This is the thanks we get? This dishonesty? This, I do not know what else to call it, absurd myth?
How about you throw some citations out seeing as you made the claim? Enlighten me... I even watch documentaries in Russian to ensure I get a full view of things. None of them even remotely claim your view is correct. None... I have read, I have no idea how many, too many books on the subject who have expertise in the field so I am going to ask that you provide some facts - I'll even take AND review objectively original research if you have documentation. I can and will work my way through a translation as needed. I have Google and am willing to put the effort in.
Good job, chucklefuck, you probably have fallen for something you'd decry and despise in others. I am old. I am 57. I had family that still talked about it, when they could. That made me interested. I decided to be objective and honest because what they taught me at school was obviously false or, at least, really misleading. However, to go so far as to deny reality to support a narrative is just plain silly.
At best, at level best, you can claim that WWII started when Japan initially invaded China (late 1920s) when they moved into Manchuria and that area. (I am not a historian - just a fan of history.) Even then the US was already acting - maybe not as much as you would like. Then, let's move to the more well known Lend Lease Act - pushed against populist opinion I might add - and think about how the US was happily sending civilian lives as merchant marines to sea while also protecting convoys halfway across the ocean and building air bases in the Northern Atlantic regions to better enable protection as the technology improved.
Do you know how the Merlin got into the Mustang? The Brits figured it out. How did they have the Mustangs? They were GIVEN to them at that point as the US was already involved in the war - that's a late example for you. Guess who flew them? Guess who stormed Normandy? Guess who weakened the Germans so that Normandy was do-able? The Russians.
Shall we stomp over and see what was going on in the Mediterranean? Operation Torch mean anything? Hell, have you ever looked at the raids across the Med? The attempts to bomb the oil fields that had belonged to the Russians before hand? As an aside, and not at all to do with the conversation really, have you ever read about Malta???
Let's then examine the quick little jaunt into Italy. Hell, the US did not even do the "solving" at Mount SomethingOrOther which had been a beautiful monastery but made excellent hiding for entrenched forces. Guess who brought all those soldiers there and protected them and did the naval bombardment... Guess who stormed those beaches at Anzio...
Now, I am biased, but let's take a trip back to the fucking Pacific. What the fuck all was going on to stop or slow the Japanese before US involvement? Go on, list them and enumerate this great wisdom of yours. Did you forget the bombing of Australia
Because, fuck you - that's why. I wish I were kidding. Someone might come along and try to justify it. However, someone should be accountable. A resignation or two would be nice. An apology would be nice. Jail? Meh... Money? Meh... Those are trivial when we look at the root of the problem.
Alright... I have nothing better to do. What metrics are we going to use to determine what is and is not a valid win in a military conflict? I will let you decide the premise.
Stealth technology was used quite a bit at the start of the conflict - when it should be used. Once they are unable to lob missiles at you and can field no planes then, well, stealth really does not play an important role and there are far less expensive solutions.
Isn't Borisoglebsk a submarine or a base? *checks wiki* They shot down an F22 with a submarine or a base in Russia did it and it was over the Ukraine or? I am not following.
Is your life that boring? They replied with gibberish. Sheesh. Gibberish. If you want you can actually review the whole thing just for taking the time. Look carefully at the usernames. Unless you are all of them, in that case, I pay a lot for your insurance - take advantage of it.
That is not going to gain any traction. Just trust me on this.
You do have a valid point. Do they eat whales there?
Why care about moderation that much? Hell, I am fucking shocked that I have "excellent" karma. I do not say nice things and am seldom on topic. I can't say I agree with you - I am not sure how I think, they're pretty cushy at their new home but it still sucks but we do it to other animals and have decided that is okay. We draw the line at Whales? Why stop there? So, no... I haven't a clue. I suspect is that they just don't want to have to deal with protesters. Say what you want. Nobody gives a shit, really. Karma is for burning, after all. Why earn it if you're not going to use it?
AC starts at zero if you do not apply any bonus to it and you are signed in. It is zero for ACs to. Not at -1... Not unless they have changed something. I probably would have heard about it.
The guy who says such a thing has to be named Vinnie and have a New York accent, say Queens, and I am in.
Maybe we will visually act with the data in another way? I'm still not plugging any of that shit in but tech may be very different by 2030 in some other guy's house. The last thing I want is more computer stuff. :/ I have piles of stuff I do not even play with already. We all do. How many of us could not build at least one decent computer out of parts or has not already done so and is using it currently? Who knows where it will be, though.