Absolutely. Hell, I will confess right now. If it would cause a euphoric/high state then I'd certainly try it. I've tried all sorts of other things (many of them bad for me) and I still even happily pursue some of those substances to this day. It is a trade off though. Why would I want to live forever if I'm not having a good time? My brain is wired so that I'm generally not having a good time so I self-medicate and enjoy life, my time here, and I accept that it may well kill me at some point.
My personal preferences, should you care, are opiates. I am a big fan. I also smoke weed but that's probably not all that harmful. I am also no longer in a position where I need to be responsible, I avoid operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated, and I'm not needing to commit any criminal offenses (other than acquisition and use of said narcotics) to maintain my lifestyle. So, yeah, it is a choice in my case and it is better than the variety of prescribed things that were supposed to make me happy. As near as I can tell the side effects and health risks are actually less and lower than they were with the prescribed stuff.
You remember that commercial back in the early 1980s about how nobody wants to be a junky when they grow up? They were lying. Lots of people want to be. Lots of people choose to be. There's a pretty sizable percentage of the population who uses but you only notice the ones who can't do so and remain functional. You only see or hear about the ones on the street corner or living in a box. They're actually a pretty small subset of users. They probably also have other issues than abuse or addiction issues. They get the spotlight because, well, frankly it's illegal and there's a social stigma attached which means we're not exactly going to go out and interview for television shows and newspapers. Many of us function just fine with families, friends, careers, and lives.
Is it dumb? I don't think I would go that far and make that accusation. I'd say it is a choice. Some of us have no desire to live for as long as we physically can. We see no point in it. Some of us would rather worry more about quality than quantity. You can drive your Honda Accord life (it's nice enough, it's reliable, it is safe, and it makes you happy) while there are others who want to have our BMW 740ils (we have style, live fast, cost a lot more, pick up the cute chicks, are fun, and it makes us happy). The idea that we should try to prolong our lives for as long as we can is foolish, selfish, and ignorant in my opinion. Quality over quantity, any day. So long as we're not causing harm to others then I fail to see where the idea that it is dumb (or wrong, or unethical) comes into play.
I don't blame people for thinking that way though. They've been brainwashed into that line of thought for their entire lives. We're taught that we should live healthy and long lives. We're taught that we should eschew mind altering substances. We're told that we should OBEY THE LAW! We're taught that thinking for ourselves is wrong. So, yeah, I understand people who would follow society's rules. I understand that but I don't personally subscribe to such. I'd rather experience what I can today more than I'd rather wonder about life could have been while sitting damned near useless in a nursing home bed. And yeah, I'm old. These aren't the sentiments of youthful ideology. They're the expressions of someone who's experienced it, given it great thought, made his own choices, lived according to those choices, and has had great success with his method.
What you, personally, do or believe is entirely up to you but I'd hardly call it dumb just because you don't understand it. That seems a little lacking if you ask me. I suppose it is instinct to call it dumb if you don't understand it or have been taught to think a different way so, really, I don't blame you. I'd think the same thing too if I hadn't dared look on the other side of the curtain and think it through for myself.
I haven't been following this so I don't know. You're not that clear either. First you say that nobody forced him to change the name. Then you say they "clamped down" on the name bit which, well, means they forced him to change the name unless I'm not getting something. It certainly sounds like they forced him to change the domain name given your description except you preface it by saying they didn't - then you say they did. Like I said, you're not helping.
Staples also probably transmits this information, over the internet, to their home office and to a data storage facility. The TLA folks may not even need to ask Staples for said information.
It is kind of crazy that nothing has been made. I'm going to take a gander at it, it looks like the guy above is taking a gander at it. Just some nice, damned simple, easy script where people can poke in a bunch of friggen' options and out pops the list of licenses that suit.
You miss the point entirely. I know that. You know that. They probably know that. They're not going to stop trying though. It is going to result in more and more draconian restrictions and privacy invasions. Here's the "best" thing - they're going to get listened to because it's their stuff we're pirating. When all hell comes loose and they finally enact SOPA-type laws here in this country, it is YOUR fault (mine too). This is what we get for pirating. Good job guys!
That's a good start, I'm just crawling out of bed (I'm actually still in it technically) and was curious enough to look before even getting up. I was thinking something more expansive with far more options than that. I'll definitely be looking.
Also, the site is nifty - I've never seen it before.
Your stance !== the law and presenting your stance as an authoritative statement about the law is illogical, unhelpful, and a poor cop-out to being called out on your mistake. It truly looks absurd from my view.
"It is this way!" You said. "Technically..." You said. "Umm... No, no it isn't." Said the lawyer. "Well it doesn't matter to me and I don't use it so that's just my stance." You said. "That's a hell of a bizarre way of saying you goofed, you're sorry, and thank you for the correction." I said.
Seriously, you can't insist something is technically something then decry you know nothing about it, don't use it, and that's your stance even though you've no knowledge about it, use of it, and weren't technically correct or even correct at all and NOT expect people to laugh at you, can you? Just thank the man for fixing your mistake, learn from your mistake, make an effort to not assume your "stance" is meaningful in any way in the future, and move on.
Is your ego so frail that you can't admit your mistake? Is it so fragile that you can't thank him for gently correcting you? What do you think the reaction is going to be when you then select to go off the deep end and completely disregard logic? I don't get it. I really don't. I'm truly curious.
First, let me say that I agree with you completely. You're not the first person to come up with the idea, I recall that being hashed out a while back and found this site that references it: http://www.sitepoint.com/open-source-licensing/
*** Update from the bottom of this post *** It is probably worth reading all of this and clicking the many links. After spending over an hour and a half on this silly quest I have managed to find some suitable tools that will help you (and others) as well as a variety of resources which we could use to easily create our own such tools. It's a good idea and an idea that is long overdue. There are some, it turns out, that have already attempted it but I am thinking a more robust solution would be an excellent addition to the community. I've done "my part" at this point but I'm probably willing to get my hands a little dirtier if need be but I suspect there are people here who have skills I don't and who have skills that aren't as rusty as my own.
Either way, be sure to read this as there are some decent links and there are some actual scripts that people have coded that do accomplish this task. The links are in the list and I've made an effort to describe them to some extent or at least indicate their importance so that you can narrow down which ones you wish to review and which ones you can just safely ignore. I don't think you (and I) are the only folks who are interested in it so the time invested is likely not wasted. Thanks for the thought process which engaged my brain hamsters. I enjoyed the chase. *** End Update ***
Anyhow... That would be an excellent addition to the web. I've never seen anything of the sort actually done about it though it's been pondered in the past so I meandered off to Google and pulled a couple of links out of my favorites to see what I could come up with. But, be aware, I don't have exactly what you're looking for (or know if it exists as of yet) but I'll add to this post as I search and if I can't find what it is that you're looking for (it seems unlikely and I'm not sure why - it's pretty obviously something that would benefit the community and it doesn't look all that difficult) I can at least provide you with the resources to create the tool you're looking for. Hopefully that helps...
In my search I found this, which isn't what you wanted but is a start: http://creativecommons.org/choose/ (It looks to be pretty basic, and it is, but it is a good start.)
You derped when you should have herped. If you don't understand the difference then the law will quite likely be made clear to you eventually. They're not going to just sit there and let us keep pirating forever. They're going to retaliate. They have the money, the lobby, the time, and the power. We have a bunch of pirated manga and bad music. Let's see which one wins, shall we?
As those files are used to facilitate copyright infringement I wonder how long they will remain legal? I can see them making magnet or torrent links illegal if they are used to facilitate copyright infringement.
By the same token, it's nice to be outraged by this but our continuing to pirate is going to result in greater and greater pushing back. Our actions are causing them to do things like that. They're not going to just give everything away for free. They aren't going to let you dictate how they run their business either so no matter how many good alternatives we can come up with that may curb piracy they're just going to advocate more and more draconian measures and our authoritarian governments are going to enact these into law.
Our actions are impacting the freedoms of others. We can try to blame the media conglomerates but, no, it is our actions that cause them to respond like this.
I have been warning about this for a decade. I have also been a pirating fool for much longer than a decade. I, too, am part of the problem. Sure, I pay for Netflix and Hulu but, more often than not, I simply go grab what I want from a torrent site. My ISP provides access to the NNTP servers so I have that as well. I have the money and, in many cases, could easily pay for these things and they're often available to purchase. Hell, there are things on Hulu (which I do pay for) that I'll end up just going and downloading in their entirety from TPB or similar. I am a part of the problem.
I could try to justify it by saying that I already pay for it, that I want it without DRM, that they should provide it in an alternative format, etc... Those aren't very good justifications, if they don't provide it in a format that I want then I should go without. It is their property and their right to determine how they sell it. They are free to make unprofitable business decisions. I have neither the individual power nor control of the collective to ensure that my wants are met by the content producers. I'd guess that 80% of the content I download never gets watched. I think I do it just because they tell me I'm not allowed to.
Oh well... There's not much more to say that doesn't result in a giant novella that won't get read. I don't imagine I'm the only one who can easily afford to pay for these things but simply won't. It isn't even motivated by some principles. Well, maybe one principle... I am really disgusted that I'd have to pay for a bunch of useless channels to get a channel that I want.
It's a legal thing, I understand, and we can even be a "city" if we wanted I suppose. We're an incorporated town, meaning a real town (we even have a post office but no stores) by definition. We swell to 550 (maybe even 1000) during summer and hunting season. We have a town government, we have a voting public, and we have property taxes that pay for it. (Property taxes in unincorporated areas go to the State.) So, yeah, we're a town by definition as I understand it.
We do get excited by little things. Our volunteer fire department is pretty good and the whole town seems to go to the various fires and accidents and stuff. I don't partake in that aspect, I'm an import but I'm fairly well respected and liked though it has taken some time and some goodwill (read expensive) actions on my part. For instance, I own a lot of land and purposefully decided that I'd keep it open to the public and have even had signage indicating the openness and what is expected from those who partake. I have paid for, in whole or in part, a variety of things to improve the town and am generous. That wasn't enough, no - one can't buy acceptance here but it certainly helps, so I've done more. The decision to keep the land open was, I think, one of the best choices I've made in my life. My thinking was, these people have used this land for generations (quite literally) and my ownership doesn't actually give me the right to take away their heritage or health. (My land, it is a lot - seriously, a lot to the point where I'd be a bit embarrassed to say how much - is some of the best hunting land around and the pond and streams all contain fish. People here literally depend on the meat from hunting, and probably fishing, to feed themselves.)
In case you're curious, I'm nestled into the mountains of North Western Maine. We actually do get decent DSL here though I'm responsible for about a half mile of utility poles (which insurance does cover though I had to pay for installation) and the town is not in financial distress actually. The finances are managed frugally, for the most part, though the fire department did opt to get a brand new ladder truck some years ago. I find that a bit mind boggling. The ladder truck is good for either 90' or 110' (I can't recall which but it's absurd given the following) but the tallest structure is just three stories. The kids keep moving away so I don't know how much longer the town will survive. It seems that they move back eventually, well some do, but I think there's still a negative population effect going on. It is a trivial seeming impact, I think the census data from 2000 has us with four more people than we had in 1990 and there are six fewer people in 2010. By the same token there are more hunting and fishing camps than there were so taxes have improved but those people don't count as residents. There was a jump between 1980 and 1990 (according to the census) as they moved from 220 to 350 people. It has been fairly stable since, the numbers are approximates as I don't recall the actual numbers but they're very close. They may be off by a factor of 15.
We have a Union Hall (which is where they host plays and sales and silly stuff). We have a Town Hall though there is only someone working there a few days a month, the town clerk is available in their home most days. We have a huge post office, they closed the old one and built a new one - we don't know why. We have a Grange Hall, the old people go there and knit, grow stuff, and show it off at county fairs. They also host a bean supper on the first Saturday of the month. We have a fairly large Fire Station with three trucks, with mutual aid they respond to any requests for help in a reasonable area (and some not reasonable areas). Attached to the Fire Station is a Community Center/Meeting building. Smaller things are held there and that's where we go to vote now. Town Meetings are still held at the Town Hall however. Some fairly well-to-do folk have moved in, they commute to their jobs in the city. They have children who ride for 45 minutes to a
Have you read the thread? The article? Have you read the decision? It would appear that you have not. You can still do those things. The reason THIS one was unacceptable was because they didn't do anything education and only did menial tasks that should have been paid labor.
Someone above mentioned a credit card and another one mentioned living with their mother who was hardly wealthy. Both weren't wealthy and managed to do unpaid internships. Perhaps you should leave your speculation to countries you know about? One needn't be wealthy to do this, one needs to be diligent and willing to take risks, sure, but one needn't be wealthy. Even if that were the case, and it isn't, why would it matter?
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I'm gonna try it with 220v so that I can get smarter faster!
He said "killed" which means it was alive before hand. He didn't say "prevented it."
Tell me you did that on purpose... Please?
Absolutely. Hell, I will confess right now. If it would cause a euphoric/high state then I'd certainly try it. I've tried all sorts of other things (many of them bad for me) and I still even happily pursue some of those substances to this day. It is a trade off though. Why would I want to live forever if I'm not having a good time? My brain is wired so that I'm generally not having a good time so I self-medicate and enjoy life, my time here, and I accept that it may well kill me at some point.
My personal preferences, should you care, are opiates. I am a big fan. I also smoke weed but that's probably not all that harmful. I am also no longer in a position where I need to be responsible, I avoid operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated, and I'm not needing to commit any criminal offenses (other than acquisition and use of said narcotics) to maintain my lifestyle. So, yeah, it is a choice in my case and it is better than the variety of prescribed things that were supposed to make me happy. As near as I can tell the side effects and health risks are actually less and lower than they were with the prescribed stuff.
You remember that commercial back in the early 1980s about how nobody wants to be a junky when they grow up? They were lying. Lots of people want to be. Lots of people choose to be. There's a pretty sizable percentage of the population who uses but you only notice the ones who can't do so and remain functional. You only see or hear about the ones on the street corner or living in a box. They're actually a pretty small subset of users. They probably also have other issues than abuse or addiction issues. They get the spotlight because, well, frankly it's illegal and there's a social stigma attached which means we're not exactly going to go out and interview for television shows and newspapers. Many of us function just fine with families, friends, careers, and lives.
Is it dumb? I don't think I would go that far and make that accusation. I'd say it is a choice. Some of us have no desire to live for as long as we physically can. We see no point in it. Some of us would rather worry more about quality than quantity. You can drive your Honda Accord life (it's nice enough, it's reliable, it is safe, and it makes you happy) while there are others who want to have our BMW 740ils (we have style, live fast, cost a lot more, pick up the cute chicks, are fun, and it makes us happy). The idea that we should try to prolong our lives for as long as we can is foolish, selfish, and ignorant in my opinion. Quality over quantity, any day. So long as we're not causing harm to others then I fail to see where the idea that it is dumb (or wrong, or unethical) comes into play.
I don't blame people for thinking that way though. They've been brainwashed into that line of thought for their entire lives. We're taught that we should live healthy and long lives. We're taught that we should eschew mind altering substances. We're told that we should OBEY THE LAW! We're taught that thinking for ourselves is wrong. So, yeah, I understand people who would follow society's rules. I understand that but I don't personally subscribe to such. I'd rather experience what I can today more than I'd rather wonder about life could have been while sitting damned near useless in a nursing home bed. And yeah, I'm old. These aren't the sentiments of youthful ideology. They're the expressions of someone who's experienced it, given it great thought, made his own choices, lived according to those choices, and has had great success with his method.
What you, personally, do or believe is entirely up to you but I'd hardly call it dumb just because you don't understand it. That seems a little lacking if you ask me. I suppose it is instinct to call it dumb if you don't understand it or have been taught to think a different way so, really, I don't blame you. I'd think the same thing too if I hadn't dared look on the other side of the curtain and think it through for myself.
I don't imagine that most people would use it much like most people aren't opiate euphoria seekers.
I haven't been following this so I don't know. You're not that clear either. First you say that nobody forced him to change the name. Then you say they "clamped down" on the name bit which, well, means they forced him to change the name unless I'm not getting something. It certainly sounds like they forced him to change the domain name given your description except you preface it by saying they didn't - then you say they did. Like I said, you're not helping.
Perhaps you can clear up what you wrote?
APK, is that you? ;)
Staples also probably transmits this information, over the internet, to their home office and to a data storage facility. The TLA folks may not even need to ask Staples for said information.
It is kind of crazy that nothing has been made. I'm going to take a gander at it, it looks like the guy above is taking a gander at it. Just some nice, damned simple, easy script where people can poke in a bunch of friggen' options and out pops the list of licenses that suit.
You miss the point entirely. I know that. You know that. They probably know that. They're not going to stop trying though. It is going to result in more and more draconian restrictions and privacy invasions. Here's the "best" thing - they're going to get listened to because it's their stuff we're pirating. When all hell comes loose and they finally enact SOPA-type laws here in this country, it is YOUR fault (mine too). This is what we get for pirating. Good job guys!
That's a good start, I'm just crawling out of bed (I'm actually still in it technically) and was curious enough to look before even getting up. I was thinking something more expansive with far more options than that. I'll definitely be looking.
Also, the site is nifty - I've never seen it before.
Your stance !== the law and presenting your stance as an authoritative statement about the law is illogical, unhelpful, and a poor cop-out to being called out on your mistake. It truly looks absurd from my view.
"It is this way!" You said. "Technically..." You said.
"Umm... No, no it isn't." Said the lawyer.
"Well it doesn't matter to me and I don't use it so that's just my stance." You said.
"That's a hell of a bizarre way of saying you goofed, you're sorry, and thank you for the correction." I said.
Seriously, you can't insist something is technically something then decry you know nothing about it, don't use it, and that's your stance even though you've no knowledge about it, use of it, and weren't technically correct or even correct at all and NOT expect people to laugh at you, can you? Just thank the man for fixing your mistake, learn from your mistake, make an effort to not assume your "stance" is meaningful in any way in the future, and move on.
Is your ego so frail that you can't admit your mistake? Is it so fragile that you can't thank him for gently correcting you? What do you think the reaction is going to be when you then select to go off the deep end and completely disregard logic? I don't get it. I really don't. I'm truly curious.
First, let me say that I agree with you completely. You're not the first person to come up with the idea, I recall that being hashed out a while back and found this site that references it:
http://www.sitepoint.com/open-source-licensing/
*** Update from the bottom of this post ***
It is probably worth reading all of this and clicking the many links. After spending over an hour and a half on this silly quest I have managed to find some suitable tools that will help you (and others) as well as a variety of resources which we could use to easily create our own such tools. It's a good idea and an idea that is long overdue. There are some, it turns out, that have already attempted it but I am thinking a more robust solution would be an excellent addition to the community. I've done "my part" at this point but I'm probably willing to get my hands a little dirtier if need be but I suspect there are people here who have skills I don't and who have skills that aren't as rusty as my own.
Either way, be sure to read this as there are some decent links and there are some actual scripts that people have coded that do accomplish this task. The links are in the list and I've made an effort to describe them to some extent or at least indicate their importance so that you can narrow down which ones you wish to review and which ones you can just safely ignore. I don't think you (and I) are the only folks who are interested in it so the time invested is likely not wasted. Thanks for the thought process which engaged my brain hamsters. I enjoyed the chase.
*** End Update ***
Anyhow... That would be an excellent addition to the web. I've never seen anything of the sort actually done about it though it's been pondered in the past so I meandered off to Google and pulled a couple of links out of my favorites to see what I could come up with. But, be aware, I don't have exactly what you're looking for (or know if it exists as of yet) but I'll add to this post as I search and if I can't find what it is that you're looking for (it seems unlikely and I'm not sure why - it's pretty obviously something that would benefit the community and it doesn't look all that difficult) I can at least provide you with the resources to create the tool you're looking for. Hopefully that helps...
You can kind of do it on your own, manually, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses
Larry Rose's book 'Open Source Licensing' is available free online, specifically chapter 10 applies:
http://www.rosenlaw.com/oslbook.htm
This is not even remotely what you asked for but still interesting and on-topic (and I want to share it):
http://www.tldrlegal.com/compare
You could get SOME of that data here:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
This one isn't complete but is simple and easy (and, like the last one, new to me):
http://jan-krueger.net/doc/opensource-licenses.html
In my search I found this, which isn't what you wanted but is a start:
http://creativecommons.org/choose/ (It looks to be pretty basic, and it is, but it is a good start.)
Another one that is new to me but pretty quick and easy to use. Still not what you wanted though:
http://www.croftsoft.com/library/tutorials/opensource/
This one looks a lot like the one from Wikipedia, I've not checked to see if it is a duplicate or not:
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_o
Those sons o' bitches where here just last Thursday! I fooled them though, I uploaded it to SourceForge, it'll never be seen again.
Ack ack!
You derped when you should have herped. If you don't understand the difference then the law will quite likely be made clear to you eventually. They're not going to just sit there and let us keep pirating forever. They're going to retaliate. They have the money, the lobby, the time, and the power. We have a bunch of pirated manga and bad music. Let's see which one wins, shall we?
There are plenty of places to buy physical media copies as well.
Umm... Don't they host the magnet and torrent files there or am I missing something? Aren't those downloaded?
As those files are used to facilitate copyright infringement I wonder how long they will remain legal? I can see them making magnet or torrent links illegal if they are used to facilitate copyright infringement.
By the same token, it's nice to be outraged by this but our continuing to pirate is going to result in greater and greater pushing back. Our actions are causing them to do things like that. They're not going to just give everything away for free. They aren't going to let you dictate how they run their business either so no matter how many good alternatives we can come up with that may curb piracy they're just going to advocate more and more draconian measures and our authoritarian governments are going to enact these into law.
Our actions are impacting the freedoms of others. We can try to blame the media conglomerates but, no, it is our actions that cause them to respond like this.
I have been warning about this for a decade. I have also been a pirating fool for much longer than a decade. I, too, am part of the problem. Sure, I pay for Netflix and Hulu but, more often than not, I simply go grab what I want from a torrent site. My ISP provides access to the NNTP servers so I have that as well. I have the money and, in many cases, could easily pay for these things and they're often available to purchase. Hell, there are things on Hulu (which I do pay for) that I'll end up just going and downloading in their entirety from TPB or similar. I am a part of the problem.
I could try to justify it by saying that I already pay for it, that I want it without DRM, that they should provide it in an alternative format, etc... Those aren't very good justifications, if they don't provide it in a format that I want then I should go without. It is their property and their right to determine how they sell it. They are free to make unprofitable business decisions. I have neither the individual power nor control of the collective to ensure that my wants are met by the content producers. I'd guess that 80% of the content I download never gets watched. I think I do it just because they tell me I'm not allowed to.
Oh well... There's not much more to say that doesn't result in a giant novella that won't get read. I don't imagine I'm the only one who can easily afford to pay for these things but simply won't. It isn't even motivated by some principles. Well, maybe one principle... I am really disgusted that I'd have to pay for a bunch of useless channels to get a channel that I want.
It's a legal thing, I understand, and we can even be a "city" if we wanted I suppose. We're an incorporated town, meaning a real town (we even have a post office but no stores) by definition. We swell to 550 (maybe even 1000) during summer and hunting season. We have a town government, we have a voting public, and we have property taxes that pay for it. (Property taxes in unincorporated areas go to the State.) So, yeah, we're a town by definition as I understand it.
We do get excited by little things. Our volunteer fire department is pretty good and the whole town seems to go to the various fires and accidents and stuff. I don't partake in that aspect, I'm an import but I'm fairly well respected and liked though it has taken some time and some goodwill (read expensive) actions on my part. For instance, I own a lot of land and purposefully decided that I'd keep it open to the public and have even had signage indicating the openness and what is expected from those who partake. I have paid for, in whole or in part, a variety of things to improve the town and am generous. That wasn't enough, no - one can't buy acceptance here but it certainly helps, so I've done more. The decision to keep the land open was, I think, one of the best choices I've made in my life. My thinking was, these people have used this land for generations (quite literally) and my ownership doesn't actually give me the right to take away their heritage or health. (My land, it is a lot - seriously, a lot to the point where I'd be a bit embarrassed to say how much - is some of the best hunting land around and the pond and streams all contain fish. People here literally depend on the meat from hunting, and probably fishing, to feed themselves.)
In case you're curious, I'm nestled into the mountains of North Western Maine. We actually do get decent DSL here though I'm responsible for about a half mile of utility poles (which insurance does cover though I had to pay for installation) and the town is not in financial distress actually. The finances are managed frugally, for the most part, though the fire department did opt to get a brand new ladder truck some years ago. I find that a bit mind boggling. The ladder truck is good for either 90' or 110' (I can't recall which but it's absurd given the following) but the tallest structure is just three stories. The kids keep moving away so I don't know how much longer the town will survive. It seems that they move back eventually, well some do, but I think there's still a negative population effect going on. It is a trivial seeming impact, I think the census data from 2000 has us with four more people than we had in 1990 and there are six fewer people in 2010. By the same token there are more hunting and fishing camps than there were so taxes have improved but those people don't count as residents. There was a jump between 1980 and 1990 (according to the census) as they moved from 220 to 350 people. It has been fairly stable since, the numbers are approximates as I don't recall the actual numbers but they're very close. They may be off by a factor of 15.
We have a Union Hall (which is where they host plays and sales and silly stuff). We have a Town Hall though there is only someone working there a few days a month, the town clerk is available in their home most days. We have a huge post office, they closed the old one and built a new one - we don't know why. We have a Grange Hall, the old people go there and knit, grow stuff, and show it off at county fairs. They also host a bean supper on the first Saturday of the month. We have a fairly large Fire Station with three trucks, with mutual aid they respond to any requests for help in a reasonable area (and some not reasonable areas). Attached to the Fire Station is a Community Center/Meeting building. Smaller things are held there and that's where we go to vote now. Town Meetings are still held at the Town Hall however. Some fairly well-to-do folk have moved in, they commute to their jobs in the city. They have children who ride for 45 minutes to a
Have you read the thread? The article? Have you read the decision? It would appear that you have not. You can still do those things. The reason THIS one was unacceptable was because they didn't do anything education and only did menial tasks that should have been paid labor.
Re-read the summary and the ruling. This isn't going to end unpaid internships.
Nah, I actually support this judge's decision. It makes perfect sense to me and it follows the letter (and spirit) of the law quite nicely.
Someone above mentioned a credit card and another one mentioned living with their mother who was hardly wealthy. Both weren't wealthy and managed to do unpaid internships. Perhaps you should leave your speculation to countries you know about? One needn't be wealthy to do this, one needs to be diligent and willing to take risks, sure, but one needn't be wealthy. Even if that were the case, and it isn't, why would it matter?
What is your point? No, seriously, what is your point with your post?