Add Japan to the list of countries where telegrams are are?;)
It's okay - I'm still stuck on digital vs. analog. I suspect that the systems still in use today are entirely digital (I'd hope they are) with them basically just being email and print services but, well, I'm quite thoroughly lost when we talk about traditional systems.
See, you forget off and the variety in key styles. Hmm... I'm so confused. LOL I've long since thought it was analog but, now that I think about it... It really only has two states - on and off and the on state is varied in duration which is a part of why I've felt it was analog all these times.
I've been pondering this... They're binary aren't they? Does the fact that it is binary confer digital status automatically? They signal does vary, it has long tones, off, and short tones. Each is different according to the key user. I've always considered it analog for those reasons BUT I'm now pondering and think I may have been mistaken all those years. (My ego isn't so frail that I'm bothered by being mistaken. How else would I learn?)
Absolutely. I will consider feminism to be valid when I see them protesting because a woman's domestic violence court case did not result in the same amount of time that a man would have received. For the record, however, topless women are perfectly legal in my state as are topless men.
What area? I've been to Melbourne and actually way out all the way in Cann River for a few weeks. 'Twas visiting a lass. I had a good time with your people. We had good times together, really. Oh, and back then I drank... LOL They were impressed with my drinking and still functioning ability. There wasn't much to the town, some stores and shit. They had a diner and a wood mill. I was out off of Prince's Highway.
Yeah, I was finding this to add to it actually. I didn't think my response was clear or necessarily correct which made me scroll up to find it. It's a bit of a difficult thing to classify it, I gave a link below that gave a pretty decent description of it. One of the curious things is that the "off" status isn't used. There is long on and short on (with at least Morse, there may be other types). It's binary in nature which is what I should have said. Binary, by itself, doesn't (I'm pretty sure but may be mistaken) confer "digital" status.
They are analog but for the sake of brevity there's no correct answer to this one as far as I can tell. Here's someone who's put the time into authoring a reply to this very idea:
The short answer is, well, call 'em analog. They *can* be digital. I suspect that most modern "telegraph" services are entirely digital. They also use just the 1 really. With Morse code they don't use the "off" dead-space for anything either really. SOS would be... ---... which is on, on, on, on longer, on longer, on longer, on, on, on.
Err... Umm... This has nothing to do with your post or the conversation at hand.
Err... I'm no grammar Nazi or anything but, well, shouldn't that be *fewer* illiterates - actually - shouldn't it be *more* illiterates than people who can't read? As in there are illiterate people who can read but just not grasp what they're reading at any level that is reasonably higher than one would assume they should be able to read at... (That's the ugliest sentence I've typed all day. I'm strangely proud of it. I have absolutely no right to be.)
As an old person let me tell you... Telegrams are pretty much the exact opposite of digital bits. They are analog.
Well, I guess they're not "opposite" really but they're certainly not digital (though they could be made that way). I'm not suggesting you blindly follow your elders or anything but I'm suggesting that you may not know as much as you think you do.
If it is effective, and it is, then why is it stupid? If some 45%+ of gamers are female then it is apparent that they don't care enough about it to not buy the products. If the people that buy continue to buy and are pleased with the scantily clad women and there is growth in the market then how is it stupid? Just because YOU don't like it, just because YOU are unable to understand the concepts, doesn't make it stupid.
"I don't understand and I don't like it. It's stupid!"
That is hardly sound logic or effective reasoning. A vocal minority does not, nor should it, automatically affect change. There is no coercion going on with the ladies hired for this. There is no inequality being supported, implied, or suggested. There is no morality claim to be made. There is nothing to complain about unless one simply wants to complain because other people are enjoying something that they don't agree with.
Referring to it as "stupid" doesn't make it stupid. There are people who bowl while I can't stand the sport. I am not going to insist that they're stupid because they like bowling. I see it as a stupid waste of time but the people who enjoy it are hardly stupid and my own views on it aren't actually reflecting the value of the sport nor are they accurate representations of what the sport is. There are, in my opinion, far greater ways to waste your time but it is not up to me to determine how one spends their time, what they have for hobbies, or how they spend their money. You are free to decide how you spend your income but you're not free to determine that for other people.
Judging it as "stupid" (when it's quite effective marketing) is absurdity at its finest. If the situation is too complex for you to understand or your biases prevent you from being honest then it is time to recuse yourself from the conversation. That you think it is ineffective marketing is a good indication that you don't understand marketing. I realize that, for whatever reason, this is a complicated subject for you so my only suggestion is that you take a few economics courses and, sadly, take a course or two specifically about marketing. Here is a hint: For the most part businesses do not do things without a reason. You should start there and then seek an education and maybe return to the topic after you've reached the point where OTHERS can say you're sufficiently educated.
Progressive is a good term but, unfortunately, doesn't really describe a great deal. Progress, for the sake of progress, is not sound political policy. Sort of like, well, conservative - being concerned with maintaining the status quo is hardly good policy either. Things need to be vetted on their own and the greatest concern should be the preservation of individual liberties.
As an interesting aside, there are few people who know the difference between liberties and freedoms. The two words are not synonymous and have entirely different meanings. I'll quote myself with one of my favorite ways of describing it.
I'm perfectly free to kill you if I should decide to. However, I am not at liberty to do so.
But, that's enough digression. I probably should have typed out more concerning the liberal vs. democrat bit but I'd assumed it was a waste of time to do so. Novellas aren't read and the only people who do respond are those looking for an echo chamber which I am not a willing participant usually. I've found that, in some cases, not typing it out is enough to weed out those who simply wish to argue (without even a care about the subject nor any knowledge of the subject) and it finds those who can think for themselves actually doing so and responding with their own views.
I've never been a fan of conversing with those who simply agree with me nor am I a fan of conversing with those who will cede to me as an authoritative source. I like to be questioned, I like to be shown new ideas, I like to learn, I don't mind admitting I've made an error, and I enjoy a continually changing set of ideals (that still are beholden to central concepts) as new information is brought into play and new methods are found. I am a moderate classic libertarian who is aware that the concept is, like all political platforms, unable to succeed by itself and without influence from other political platforms. Simply put, there is no one political platform in its pure form that can be successful. A progressive, once they achieve their goals, is a conservative. Well, a smart one is at any rate... Progress, for the sake of progress, is silly. Just as much as a conservative, simply for conservation, is absurd. Things need to change and, the opposite side of that coin, things need to remain the same. It depends, wholly, on the subject at hand and each needs to be evaluated accordingly.
I make all my purchasing decisions with my gonads. Seriously... I flop 'em out onto the ham, it's a little chilly, and then let it decide if that's the one I'm buying. If not, on to the next ham I go. People start to really get upset when it's a whole turkey or a whole chicken but I tell them it's not a sexual thing, it's just me making my purchase choices with my gonads.
I probably should submit this anonymously. Oh well.
You stated my observations pretty well, thanks. I don't have mod points (which is odd, I usually have plenty with them coming in just about as soon as they run out) and already commented in this thread but hopefully someone comes along and fixes your "score" for you. Your statement is pretty well put. Also, there are slightly fewer at PAX (again, from my observations) than there are elsewhere but not enough of a percentage to really lay a claim to moral high ground. It is, was, a marketing strategy. It was a successful marketing strategy too.
It is sort of like 45% of the folks who are gamers are women... But this is somehow driving women away? They take that statistic and think they can use it to make it seem as if this is bothering people when, reality shows - by their own statistics, that a damned good percentage of gamers are women. Compare that, for example, with the percentage of users of/. and let me know what the results are. Speaking of which - where are the booth babes for/.? It might increase the percentage of women users and make us less sexist around here!
Alright, girlinatrainingbra, you need to start with the bikini pics and maybe holding hands with another chick or something. We've got to attract female users to this site so that we can avoid being sexist. Oh, there's a MacGirl too kicking around. There's a start, bring your friends... *sighs* (No, obviously, not really... Well, maybe - depends on if you're cute or not I guess. Actually, no. Screw it... Make with the bikini pics and we'll be the judge.) It's for sexism, damn it!
I see no reason to limit my choices, I've tried and loved them all. I still do all of the above. I'll even shoot. I used to be against it until I realized that even doctors find it best.
I read your reply, I even clicked your links. I generally, for the most part, understand all of that and am aware that there are changes I can make. I did elect to make changes and, frankly, I'm pretty happy. My main contention was that the GP referred to it as dumb. I think that's a bit much of an assumption on their part and wanted to correct that. I'm not actually looking for alternatives to my life style. Any years cut out by doing what I'm doing would be the bad years anyways.
I agree, very much, that it is about power. I'd do it too if I were in their shoes. Though I think the ethical thing for me to do would be to not consume the goods if I'm not paying for them (that same applies to the rest of us pirates). I'm not going to though, I don't even watch most of what I download. Hell, I'm not even sure why I bother downloading anymore. I think it is, as I mentioned, mostly because I am told I can't and this is the internet - where I've been doing what I want for at least 20 years now.
I have a couple of different vaporizers though I think that's reaching a bit far into off-topic territory. I do prefer them. Another interesting thing is Marinol. Google will tell you more about it if you're curious.
"Then if he didn't want to do that, they started clamping down on the name usage in order to..."
The sentence makes no sense so I read it as they started clamping down on the name usage (which is what it says). If he hadn't changed the name then they WOULD have started clamping down? Did they threaten to clamp down on the name usage? If they threatened then it could still be said that they forced him to change his name (it was the only alternative he had if he didn't want to change his donation crap).
It isn't that I support the guy. Don't think that. It's that I want to understand the truth, not the nuance but the truth. I want to know what REALLY happened (without needing to go through all the lists) and it appears that people have gone through the lists and they're not being all that informative. Yes, yes I'm lazy but that's the point of being on a site such as this - sharing of information.
I didn't really misread the "if" I just didn't know if it was in error or intentional or just meant to obscure as the remainder of the sentence says that they DID start clamping down. The two parts of the sentence do not go together. If he didn't do something they started something. It makes no sense.
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Add Japan to the list of countries where telegrams are are? ;)
It's okay - I'm still stuck on digital vs. analog. I suspect that the systems still in use today are entirely digital (I'd hope they are) with them basically just being email and print services but, well, I'm quite thoroughly lost when we talk about traditional systems.
Now your post makes me ponder more...
See, you forget off and the variety in key styles. Hmm... I'm so confused. LOL I've long since thought it was analog but, now that I think about it... It really only has two states - on and off and the on state is varied in duration which is a part of why I've felt it was analog all these times.
I've been pondering this... They're binary aren't they? Does the fact that it is binary confer digital status automatically? They signal does vary, it has long tones, off, and short tones. Each is different according to the key user. I've always considered it analog for those reasons BUT I'm now pondering and think I may have been mistaken all those years. (My ego isn't so frail that I'm bothered by being mistaken. How else would I learn?)
Absolutely. I will consider feminism to be valid when I see them protesting because a woman's domestic violence court case did not result in the same amount of time that a man would have received. For the record, however, topless women are perfectly legal in my state as are topless men.
What area? I've been to Melbourne and actually way out all the way in Cann River for a few weeks. 'Twas visiting a lass. I had a good time with your people. We had good times together, really. Oh, and back then I drank... LOL They were impressed with my drinking and still functioning ability. There wasn't much to the town, some stores and shit. They had a diner and a wood mill. I was out off of Prince's Highway.
Yeah, I was finding this to add to it actually. I didn't think my response was clear or necessarily correct which made me scroll up to find it. It's a bit of a difficult thing to classify it, I gave a link below that gave a pretty decent description of it. One of the curious things is that the "off" status isn't used. There is long on and short on (with at least Morse, there may be other types). It's binary in nature which is what I should have said. Binary, by itself, doesn't (I'm pretty sure but may be mistaken) confer "digital" status.
They are analog but for the sake of brevity there's no correct answer to this one as far as I can tell. Here's someone who's put the time into authoring a reply to this very idea:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080817073539AAhrHHM
The short answer is, well, call 'em analog. They *can* be digital. I suspect that most modern "telegraph" services are entirely digital. They also use just the 1 really. With Morse code they don't use the "off" dead-space for anything either really. SOS would be ... --- ... which is on, on, on, on longer, on longer, on longer, on, on, on.
Err... Umm... This has nothing to do with your post or the conversation at hand.
Err... I'm no grammar Nazi or anything but, well, shouldn't that be *fewer* illiterates - actually - shouldn't it be *more* illiterates than people who can't read? As in there are illiterate people who can read but just not grasp what they're reading at any level that is reasonably higher than one would assume they should be able to read at... (That's the ugliest sentence I've typed all day. I'm strangely proud of it. I have absolutely no right to be.)
As an old person let me tell you... Telegrams are pretty much the exact opposite of digital bits. They are analog.
Well, I guess they're not "opposite" really but they're certainly not digital (though they could be made that way). I'm not suggesting you blindly follow your elders or anything but I'm suggesting that you may not know as much as you think you do.
If it is effective, and it is, then why is it stupid? If some 45%+ of gamers are female then it is apparent that they don't care enough about it to not buy the products. If the people that buy continue to buy and are pleased with the scantily clad women and there is growth in the market then how is it stupid? Just because YOU don't like it, just because YOU are unable to understand the concepts, doesn't make it stupid.
"I don't understand and I don't like it. It's stupid!"
That is hardly sound logic or effective reasoning. A vocal minority does not, nor should it, automatically affect change. There is no coercion going on with the ladies hired for this. There is no inequality being supported, implied, or suggested. There is no morality claim to be made. There is nothing to complain about unless one simply wants to complain because other people are enjoying something that they don't agree with.
Referring to it as "stupid" doesn't make it stupid. There are people who bowl while I can't stand the sport. I am not going to insist that they're stupid because they like bowling. I see it as a stupid waste of time but the people who enjoy it are hardly stupid and my own views on it aren't actually reflecting the value of the sport nor are they accurate representations of what the sport is. There are, in my opinion, far greater ways to waste your time but it is not up to me to determine how one spends their time, what they have for hobbies, or how they spend their money. You are free to decide how you spend your income but you're not free to determine that for other people.
Judging it as "stupid" (when it's quite effective marketing) is absurdity at its finest. If the situation is too complex for you to understand or your biases prevent you from being honest then it is time to recuse yourself from the conversation. That you think it is ineffective marketing is a good indication that you don't understand marketing. I realize that, for whatever reason, this is a complicated subject for you so my only suggestion is that you take a few economics courses and, sadly, take a course or two specifically about marketing. Here is a hint: For the most part businesses do not do things without a reason. You should start there and then seek an education and maybe return to the topic after you've reached the point where OTHERS can say you're sufficiently educated.
Progressive is a good term but, unfortunately, doesn't really describe a great deal. Progress, for the sake of progress, is not sound political policy. Sort of like, well, conservative - being concerned with maintaining the status quo is hardly good policy either. Things need to be vetted on their own and the greatest concern should be the preservation of individual liberties.
As an interesting aside, there are few people who know the difference between liberties and freedoms. The two words are not synonymous and have entirely different meanings. I'll quote myself with one of my favorite ways of describing it.
I'm perfectly free to kill you if I should decide to.
However, I am not at liberty to do so.
But, that's enough digression. I probably should have typed out more concerning the liberal vs. democrat bit but I'd assumed it was a waste of time to do so. Novellas aren't read and the only people who do respond are those looking for an echo chamber which I am not a willing participant usually. I've found that, in some cases, not typing it out is enough to weed out those who simply wish to argue (without even a care about the subject nor any knowledge of the subject) and it finds those who can think for themselves actually doing so and responding with their own views.
I've never been a fan of conversing with those who simply agree with me nor am I a fan of conversing with those who will cede to me as an authoritative source. I like to be questioned, I like to be shown new ideas, I like to learn, I don't mind admitting I've made an error, and I enjoy a continually changing set of ideals (that still are beholden to central concepts) as new information is brought into play and new methods are found. I am a moderate classic libertarian who is aware that the concept is, like all political platforms, unable to succeed by itself and without influence from other political platforms. Simply put, there is no one political platform in its pure form that can be successful. A progressive, once they achieve their goals, is a conservative. Well, a smart one is at any rate... Progress, for the sake of progress, is silly. Just as much as a conservative, simply for conservation, is absurd. Things need to change and, the opposite side of that coin, things need to remain the same. It depends, wholly, on the subject at hand and each needs to be evaluated accordingly.
I make all my purchasing decisions with my gonads. Seriously... I flop 'em out onto the ham, it's a little chilly, and then let it decide if that's the one I'm buying. If not, on to the next ham I go. People start to really get upset when it's a whole turkey or a whole chicken but I tell them it's not a sexual thing, it's just me making my purchase choices with my gonads.
I probably should submit this anonymously. Oh well.
You stated my observations pretty well, thanks. I don't have mod points (which is odd, I usually have plenty with them coming in just about as soon as they run out) and already commented in this thread but hopefully someone comes along and fixes your "score" for you. Your statement is pretty well put. Also, there are slightly fewer at PAX (again, from my observations) than there are elsewhere but not enough of a percentage to really lay a claim to moral high ground. It is, was, a marketing strategy. It was a successful marketing strategy too.
It is sort of like 45% of the folks who are gamers are women... But this is somehow driving women away? They take that statistic and think they can use it to make it seem as if this is bothering people when, reality shows - by their own statistics, that a damned good percentage of gamers are women. Compare that, for example, with the percentage of users of /. and let me know what the results are. Speaking of which - where are the booth babes for /.? It might increase the percentage of women users and make us less sexist around here!
Alright, girlinatrainingbra, you need to start with the bikini pics and maybe holding hands with another chick or something. We've got to attract female users to this site so that we can avoid being sexist. Oh, there's a MacGirl too kicking around. There's a start, bring your friends... *sighs* (No, obviously, not really... Well, maybe - depends on if you're cute or not I guess. Actually, no. Screw it... Make with the bikini pics and we'll be the judge.) It's for sexism, damn it!
Feminism has never been about equality. Equal Rights Movements were about equal rights. The two aren't the same.
Some 45% of gamers are women. They don't care. This is a small vocal minority that is complaining. You can (and should) ignore them.
I believe in equal rights for all. No special rights for anyone.
It has been my experience, and I'm officially old, that women with big teats also have the cow attached on the other side.
I see no reason to limit my choices, I've tried and loved them all. I still do all of the above. I'll even shoot. I used to be against it until I realized that even doctors find it best.
I don't know, I've never had a drug scarcity that lasted very long so long as I had cash and a willingness to travel.
Yeah, because that's what I said.
No, they should follow liberals. Democrats are not liberals.
I read your reply, I even clicked your links. I generally, for the most part, understand all of that and am aware that there are changes I can make. I did elect to make changes and, frankly, I'm pretty happy. My main contention was that the GP referred to it as dumb. I think that's a bit much of an assumption on their part and wanted to correct that. I'm not actually looking for alternatives to my life style. Any years cut out by doing what I'm doing would be the bad years anyways.
I agree, very much, that it is about power. I'd do it too if I were in their shoes. Though I think the ethical thing for me to do would be to not consume the goods if I'm not paying for them (that same applies to the rest of us pirates). I'm not going to though, I don't even watch most of what I download. Hell, I'm not even sure why I bother downloading anymore. I think it is, as I mentioned, mostly because I am told I can't and this is the internet - where I've been doing what I want for at least 20 years now.
I have a couple of different vaporizers though I think that's reaching a bit far into off-topic territory. I do prefer them. Another interesting thing is Marinol. Google will tell you more about it if you're curious.
Ah - but they have this in there:
"Then if he didn't want to do that, they started clamping down on the name usage in order to..."
The sentence makes no sense so I read it as they started clamping down on the name usage (which is what it says). If he hadn't changed the name then they WOULD have started clamping down? Did they threaten to clamp down on the name usage? If they threatened then it could still be said that they forced him to change his name (it was the only alternative he had if he didn't want to change his donation crap).
It isn't that I support the guy. Don't think that. It's that I want to understand the truth, not the nuance but the truth. I want to know what REALLY happened (without needing to go through all the lists) and it appears that people have gone through the lists and they're not being all that informative. Yes, yes I'm lazy but that's the point of being on a site such as this - sharing of information.
I didn't really misread the "if" I just didn't know if it was in error or intentional or just meant to obscure as the remainder of the sentence says that they DID start clamping down. The two parts of the sentence do not go together. If he didn't do something they started something. It makes no sense.
That would be a great name for a boutique hotel, "Manor of Fun!"
Beer only helps with the last one. It only makes you think it helps with the first examples. It really doesn't, trust me on this one - I love beer.