Probably both, but there is definitely a quality difference. Cases were thicker, usually steel instead of today's aluminum and plastic. Hard drives had thick steel shells, today they are almost boxed in foil. Floppy drives had lots of exposed components but at least they were mounted on relatively large steel frames. Power supplies had much more filtering, and used large components with higher power ratings that didn't burn out easily. I once bought a box of old 3c503 10-baseT cards. These were the long full-height full-length 8-bit ISA cards. They were covered in discreet components which I am pretty sure made up noise filters. Modern cards are little more than RJ45 connectors soldered directly to a chip. Those old ones tolerated long runs of low quality wire through RF noisy environments where the new cards will drop.
The thing is... computers used to be expensive devices used in high end applications and were built for it. Now there is a much larger market for cheap throwaway toys and 3 or more in a home. They really don't build them the same.
It's probably just a card edge connector with the same pins, same pinout. It shouldn't be hard to get a cable with both connectors on it. Very few floppies ever had non-standard connectors, the 5 1/4" had the card edge and the 3 1/2" had the pins.
And how many popular sites like that are going to let themselves not work in a browser as popular as IE? A profitable site is not going to throw away it's business just to force IE to comply. Make a standard Microsoft will not implement and you get a standard no one uses, same as no standard at all. It's sad but it's true.
Who cares about Safari? Not enough users.
- This statement comes from someone who preferred Konqueror... until sooo many sites started embedding Flash video which Konqueror makes a PITA with each update..
The history of Apple proprietary hardware which they only recently (mostly) gave up?
The history of Apple suing clone makers out of existence?
The ongoing history of Apple locking iPhone users into their app store, dictating what apps are and are not acceptable, making exclusive agreements with a wireless carrier and enforcing said carrier's rules on what one can do with their connection even AFTER they have PAID FOR IT?
Hey.. I hate Microsoft but at least they don't care what CPU I run Windows on or what apps I run in Windows so long as I bought it per-seat!
And today we read about Apple playing their part in wrecking an effort to get an open standard for internet video. Looks like a continuation of history to me!
"The only good news is that Apple ownz the mobile web with the iPhone, so it can pretty much establish HTML5 itself and sell Flash-killer AT&T-based video to the good sheep locked in it's app store."
A lot of the stuff that's getting thrown away still works! Even if it doesn't someone might want the parts. Before sending it to some recycling company which will probably send most of it to third world kids to cook the lead out over an open hotplate, give it to someone who can use it.
Take it to an auction house, people like to buy electronic junk. Just wait till you have a car load and the auctioneer will probably sell it in one or two bundles. The buyer will probably sort out what he wants, pile up the rest and sell it again. Eventually it's all or mostly re-used.
I'll second that. I tend to keep a lot of electronic parts for reuse myself so whatever I throw out is pretty bad and yet with that kind of stuff I just set it out a day or two early and not bagged. It very rarely makes it to the landfill. Likewise I'm not above rescuing other people's stuff from the landfill if I see a part or two I might like. I'd hate to see this most efficient method of reuse go away!
Perhaps if people were a bit more thoughtfull and put things out with a free sign instead of chucking it in the can...
It looks like a unxis.com is currently one of those "this domain might be for sale" pages. Minimum bid is $60, don't know what it would take to get them to actually sell if someone wants to get it before SCO does!
Anon Coward> Dairy products shouldn't even exist. Show me one other animal who consumes another species' milk, let alone an animal that consumes milk beyond infancy.
OK, ants.
Now, with that out of the way other species don't normally live nearly as far into their potential lifespan as we do. Show me a species that enjoys osteoporosis why don't you?
Anon Coward> Dairy products shouldn't even exist. Show me one other animal who consumes another species' milk, let alone an animal that consumes milk beyond infancy. <br/><br/> OK, ants. <br/><br/> Now, with that out of the way other species don't normally live nearly as far into their potential lifespan as we do. Show me a species that enjoys osteoporosis why don't you?
Here's the part that surprised me in all this... "Most of the current SCO staff, including developers, support personnel, sales and marketing are expected to join unXis."
They still have developers? And marketing staff? Beyond the guy writing the BS on their website?
SCO was a respectable Unix company once, "first UNIX company" according to Eric Raymond. They also were Caldera which may have never been the biggest player in Linux distros but was certainly an interesting one and not a bad Desktop environment for the time. I can't find any evidence of this on Google today but I'm sure I remember that it was actually Caldera not RedHat that wrote the first version of RPM. They did this not for themselves but under contract for RedHat thus RedHat owned it and RedHat got their name on it.
Is there actually something of this still alive? With SCO containing the distilled evil could there actually be something good to come from unXis? It's hard to believe but it's an interesting idea. Kind of like a glimpse into an alternate reality where the combined Caldera/SCO remained a Unix/Linux company rather than become what it is.
On another note, aren't corporate executives legally bound to do what is in the interest of shareholders? Hasn't SCO pretty much been gutted for it's executives personal project of Linux FUD? Can the shareholders sue the executives? It does seem like a form of theft. My mother has SCO stock. She wanted stock in a Linux company back when the internet boom was tapering off and some people were looking to Linux companies for the next boom. I told her to buy RedHat when they first come out. She waited and it went up w/out her. She asked if there was another, I told her to buy Mandrake but don't keep it long as it is over-hyped and would shoot up then down. She passed on it and it did exactly that. Then one day out of the blue she informed me she just bought Caldera stock. WTF!?! She said she read it was really big in Asia or something like that. Now she has a stock shaped piece of toilet paper.
The biggest shortcoming of CVS that I know is the lack of ability to rename a file. Yes, you can copy it then delete the original but CVS sees this as a new file with no revision history. If I understand correctly subversion was created by former CVS users to overcome a few shortcomings of CVS with this being the biggest one. Thus SVN has a similar "feel" though not identical commands to CVS and a superior feature set.
Let's take care of our own first
Various versions of "the world doesn't want our interference"
I agree!
But just to play with the idea it seems like a great application for the OLPC and it's mesh networking capability. If we air-dropped enough of them, spread out throughout the country with either the hand crank or solar option.... It would make for an interesting show...
Probably about the same time we see real innovation in hammers and shovels. What most of us use a word processor for is a simple task. We don't need any new innovations, that's why all the attempts to innovate in that area turn into bloat.
At one place I worked we had a "backup" computer for when a user messed theirs up. More meant for punishment, it was a 486 - 66Mhz with 16MB RAM. It ran Windows 98 and had a program on it which I don't remember the name of that locked out pretty much all setting changes and the running of any executables not on our whitelist. This was around the time 1-2 Ghz chips were common.
Users who hosed their machines by doing something stupid would get this machine for at least a week while their computer sat on our back desk waiting for us to look at it. The wait was mandatory, even if we had the time to fix it right away... it cauesed them to be more careful the next time.
We just told them that we didn't have time to get to it immediately or that we were already working on it but it really took that long. With the "backup" no one could fault us for keeping them from their work.
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Why, she will probably need to rest it for a while anyway.
because Apple anything tends to be proprietary, locked down garbage which Apple does not relinquish control of even after you pay them for it
So
http://home.shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=desolder&_sacat=46413&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_dmd=1&_odkw=&_osacat=46413
That was a drop in replacement. It's supposed to run a little faster.
I think Arachne limits you to text only web surfing if you run it on 80286. If so Lynx or eLinks (not sure if that one works) might be better.
Probably both, but there is definitely a quality difference. Cases were thicker, usually steel instead of today's aluminum and plastic. Hard drives had thick steel shells, today they are almost boxed in foil. Floppy drives had lots of exposed components but at least they were mounted on relatively large steel frames. Power supplies had much more filtering, and used large components with higher power ratings that didn't burn out easily. I once bought a box of old 3c503 10-baseT cards. These were the long full-height full-length 8-bit ISA cards. They were covered in discreet components which I am pretty sure made up noise filters. Modern cards are little more than RJ45 connectors soldered directly to a chip. Those old ones tolerated long runs of low quality wire through RF noisy environments where the new cards will drop.
The thing is... computers used to be expensive devices used in high end applications and were built for it. Now there is a much larger market for cheap throwaway toys and 3 or more in a home. They really don't build them the same.
No, can't do that.
But... It could run the elks kernel with the regular gnu tools on top of it.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/elks/
It's probably just a card edge connector with the same pins, same pinout. It shouldn't be hard to get a cable with both connectors on it. Very few floppies ever had non-standard connectors, the 5 1/4" had the card edge and the 3 1/2" had the pins.
And how many popular sites like that are going to let themselves not work in a browser as popular as IE? A profitable site is not going to throw away it's business just to force IE to comply. Make a standard Microsoft will not implement and you get a standard no one uses, same as no standard at all. It's sad but it's true.
Who cares about Safari? Not enough users.
- This statement comes from someone who preferred Konqueror... until sooo many sites started embedding Flash video which Konqueror makes a PITA with each update..
How the h377 has Apple ever played nice?!?!
What history?
The history of Apple proprietary hardware which they only recently (mostly) gave up?
The history of Apple suing clone makers out of existence?
The ongoing history of Apple locking iPhone users into their app store, dictating what apps are and are not acceptable, making exclusive agreements with a wireless carrier and enforcing said carrier's rules on what one can do with their connection even AFTER they have PAID FOR IT?
Hey.. I hate Microsoft but at least they don't care what CPU I run Windows on or what apps I run in Windows so long as I bought it per-seat!
And today we read about Apple playing their part in wrecking an effort to get an open standard for internet video. Looks like a continuation of history to me!
"The only good news is that Apple ownz the mobile web with the iPhone, so it can pretty much establish HTML5 itself and sell Flash-killer AT&T-based video to the good sheep locked in it's app store."
There, I fixed that for you
What, no Apple? What makes them and their pusing of Quicktime so immune?
OK. Do you take it to the market to the North or to the market to the South. Which one has a better going rate at the moment?
A lot of the stuff that's getting thrown away still works! Even if it doesn't someone might want the parts. Before sending it to some recycling company which will probably send most of it to third world kids to cook the lead out over an open hotplate, give it to someone who can use it.
You could...
I'll second that. I tend to keep a lot of electronic parts for reuse myself so whatever I throw out is pretty bad and yet with that kind of stuff I just set it out a day or two early and not bagged. It very rarely makes it to the landfill. Likewise I'm not above rescuing other people's stuff from the landfill if I see a part or two I might like. I'd hate to see this most efficient method of reuse go away!
Perhaps if people were a bit more thoughtfull and put things out with a free sign instead of chucking it in the can...
It looks like a unxis.com is currently one of those "this domain might be for sale" pages. Minimum bid is $60, don't know what it would take to get them to actually sell if someone wants to get it before SCO does!
Anon Coward> Dairy products shouldn't even exist. Show me one other animal who consumes another species' milk, let alone an animal that consumes milk beyond infancy.
OK, ants.
Now, with that out of the way other species don't normally live nearly as far into their potential lifespan as we do. Show me a species that enjoys osteoporosis why don't you?
Anon Coward> Dairy products shouldn't even exist. Show me one other animal who consumes another species' milk, let alone an animal that consumes milk beyond infancy.
<br/><br/>
OK, ants.
<br/><br/>
Now, with that out of the way other species don't normally live nearly as far into their potential lifespan as we do. Show me a species that enjoys osteoporosis why don't you?
Here's the part that surprised me in all this... "Most of the current SCO staff, including developers, support personnel, sales and marketing are expected to join unXis."
They still have developers? And marketing staff? Beyond the guy writing the BS on their website?
SCO was a respectable Unix company once, "first UNIX company" according to Eric Raymond. They also were Caldera which may have never been the biggest player in Linux distros but was certainly an interesting one and not a bad Desktop environment for the time. I can't find any evidence of this on Google today but I'm sure I remember that it was actually Caldera not RedHat that wrote the first version of RPM. They did this not for themselves but under contract for RedHat thus RedHat owned it and RedHat got their name on it.
Is there actually something of this still alive? With SCO containing the distilled evil could there actually be something good to come from unXis? It's hard to believe but it's an interesting idea. Kind of like a glimpse into an alternate reality where the combined Caldera/SCO remained a Unix/Linux company rather than become what it is.
On another note, aren't corporate executives legally bound to do what is in the interest of shareholders? Hasn't SCO pretty much been gutted for it's executives personal project of Linux FUD? Can the shareholders sue the executives? It does seem like a form of theft. My mother has SCO stock. She wanted stock in a Linux company back when the internet boom was tapering off and some people were looking to Linux companies for the next boom. I told her to buy RedHat when they first come out. She waited and it went up w/out her. She asked if there was another, I told her to buy Mandrake but don't keep it long as it is over-hyped and would shoot up then down. She passed on it and it did exactly that. Then one day out of the blue she informed me she just bought Caldera stock. WTF!?! She said she read it was really big in Asia or something like that. Now she has a stock shaped piece of toilet paper.
That's been done. All it did was hurt the other companies which were using the same host and create a lot of bad press for Linux users.
The biggest shortcoming of CVS that I know is the lack of ability to rename a file. Yes, you can copy it then delete the original but CVS sees this as a new file with no revision history. If I understand correctly subversion was created by former CVS users to overcome a few shortcomings of CVS with this being the biggest one. Thus SVN has a similar "feel" though not identical commands to CVS and a superior feature set.
To all those who say...
Let's take care of our own first Various versions of "the world doesn't want our interference"
I agree!
But just to play with the idea it seems like a great application for the OLPC and it's mesh networking capability. If we air-dropped enough of them, spread out throughout the country with either the hand crank or solar option.... It would make for an interesting show...
Probably about the same time we see real innovation in hammers and shovels. What most of us use a word processor for is a simple task. We don't need any new innovations, that's why all the attempts to innovate in that area turn into bloat.
At one place I worked we had a "backup" computer for when a user messed theirs up. More meant for punishment, it was a 486 - 66Mhz with 16MB RAM. It ran Windows 98 and had a program on it which I don't remember the name of that locked out pretty much all setting changes and the running of any executables not on our whitelist. This was around the time 1-2 Ghz chips were common. Users who hosed their machines by doing something stupid would get this machine for at least a week while their computer sat on our back desk waiting for us to look at it. The wait was mandatory, even if we had the time to fix it right away... it cauesed them to be more careful the next time. We just told them that we didn't have time to get to it immediately or that we were already working on it but it really took that long. With the "backup" no one could fault us for keeping them from their work.