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What To Expect From Apple's Rumored MacPad

Jeff writes "I decided to review the specifications of recent e-readers and mobile devices as well as the ongoing Apple rumor mill to chart out the most likely features, innovations and configuration we can expect from Apple's long awaited Newton successor/Mac Tablet which I'll call the MacPad. The MacPad will arrive in fall '09 or Jan '10, with a 10" diagonal color display, a $599 price point with a Verizon data plan, a stylus, note taking application and handwriting recognition and an e-bookstore for iTunes. Apple's biggest challenge will be convincing its huge installed base of iPhone owners that they need a MacPad too. Past failed Newtonian predictions by others are available on Slashdot and the likelihood that any of this is right can be gauged by earlier Confucian gems such as Haskin warns that Apple may be setting itself up for a failure with the iPhone."

213 comments

  1. 64-128 GB of RAM?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    64-128 GB of RAM?! heck, i'd buy it, rip the ram modules and throw that thing away.

    1. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by srussia · · Score: 2, Funny

      More space than a Nomad! Not lame!

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    2. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by swb311 · · Score: 2, Funny

      640GB should be enough for anybody!

    3. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by SensitiveMale · · Score: 1

      Whatever RAM that was on the pad would be soldered.

    4. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Knowing apple its going to be proprietary :).

    5. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by tattood · · Score: 1

      Knowing Apple, the RAM modules are not going to be standard memory cards that can be "ripped" out, but integrated into the motherboard. Good luck with that.

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    6. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure he means 64-128 GB of SSD (ie. Flash RAM)

      Interesting idea but unless the battery can easily be replaced then I will never own one. I'm sick of "broken" iPods, iPhones and other Apple crap because the battery is dead. Yes, they can be replaced with a lot of effort (and often damage) but it's not worth it. This is planned obsolescence where Apple is sucking more and more money from me (not unlike their OS upgrades and other larger hardware changes). Fuck that.

    7. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Whatever RAM that was on the pad would be soldered.

      Well that and $600 is a lot to pay for a 128GB SSD.

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    8. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe. They don't solder it to the laptops, but then again I don't see apple going out of their way to make their hardware customizable.

    9. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, and since when have Apple desktops or laptops had "integrated" memory chips that couldn't be removed and replaced by the user? I've been using Macs since about 1988 and even way back then you could upgrade RAM (even though it was ridiculously expensive, across the industry).

      Hyperbole is nice and all, but it's called hyperbole for a reason. Making the poor design choice of integrated batteries or leaving off card readers may not be optimal eingineering trade-offs, but it doesn't mean they have ever done the same thing with memory chips.

    10. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by Phoghat · · Score: 1
      "My post below outlines what this product might actually do, what innovations it will have and what some of its challenges are..."

      Which means "I'm just guessing and don't know any more than you do.

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    11. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by jofizz · · Score: 1

      Yah, MacBook Air RAM has integrated onto the logic board and cannot be removed or upgraded. Makes sense that a tablet would be similar. Cheers, Joseph.

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    12. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Well ain't that a load of crap! I'll stick with my plain ol' silver Macbook then.

    13. Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple laptop with "integrated" RAM: MacBook Air, soldered right to the motherboard, released January 2008.

  2. A review of product that is a rumor.. by synthesizerpatel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really, the gem of this is referring to how previous rumor based stories that sided negative were wrong.. If you ignore the fact that the entire idea of this story is cobbled together from fairy dust and wishes.

    I love my mac but.. in the words of William Shatner, get a life!

    1. Re:A review of product that is a rumor.. by linhares · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You must be new here, if you really were expecting more from slashdot. The post's title should be "WHAT TO EXPECT FROM AN AVERAGE SLASHDOT SUBMISSION".

    2. Re:A review of product that is a rumor.. by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yep, you got that right.
      FTFA:

      Recently, I spent some time reviewing real and rumored technologies to lay out my predictions about a possible Apple Mac Tablet or MacPad. My predictions are mostly just for fun and I am making no bets as to their accuracy.

      I can believe someone was foolish enough to submit this, but putting it on the front page is freaking absurd.

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    3. Re:A review of product that is a rumor.. by derGoldstein · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, it's odd, I submitted my 5-page long fantasy review of the Asus EeeTablet just a couple of days ago, and it got no traction. Neither did my review of the fictitious Lenovo ThinkTablet, or my poignant preview of the Dell InspironPad...

      Maybe I just can't write good fiction. I've been told that my protagonists lack a certain polish... They aren't glossy enough, and don't have the necessary price tag to attract the reader.

      But I'll keep trying!

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    4. Re:A review of product that is a rumor.. by the_B0fh · · Score: 2, Funny

      But the key was - was it submitted by a 15 year old? and without the standard rigorous slashdot review process? :)

  3. Challenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Apple's biggest challenge will be convincing its huge installed base of iPhone owners that they need a MacPad too.

    How about making the iPhone and MacPad dependent and lock out any 3rd party looking for some interoperability? Seems to have worked for Apple in the past.

  4. oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

    that sounds like a nice device.
    hackable to run linux, or locked down do you think?
    my liqbase should be ready by then too. :)

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    1. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by turtleAJ · · Score: 0

      Put the link in man!
      =)

      http://liqbase.net/

      I've been following liqbase for a while now... very cool!
      Check this guy's website out! And mod him up!
      Faster than paper

    2. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why on earth would you hack it to run linux, this thing (assuming it existed) would most likely run OS X... So you take off a perfectly good unix with drivers for all the bits of the hardware, and lots of application support, and replace it with a one-size-fits all OS that doesn't do the half of it... Why?

    3. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think it will be running a stripped down OSX, like what is found on the iPhone. So no, its not as good as regular OSX found on the macbooks and such and limited in such a way that perhaps linux would be better on it. Especially just thinking of the NES and SNES emulating possibilities.

    4. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      So, assuming your assumption is true (which is a pretty big assumption)... Still, why hack linux onto it. Linux has no hardware support for it at all, no application support etc. Hacking the supposedly locked down OS X (already possible with jailbreaking on iPhones etc) would result in having hardware and application support right there and ready.

    5. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      i say why because my app only runs on linux (for now).
      i don't know anything about multiplatform stuff and wouldn't even try to (I'm a VB developer..)

      raw c, x11+xv is about as far as I know.

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    6. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Informative

      If all you're using is raw c and x11+xv, then your application will run happily on OS X with the click of a compile button.

    7. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by noundi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you take off a perfectly good unix with drivers for all the bits of the hardware, and lots of application support, and replace it with a one-size-fits all OS that doesn't do the half of it... Why?

      Haha ok let me break this down to you. First of all that "perfectly good" part is solely your opinion and believe it or not not everybody agrees. Secondly there are huge differences between unix like OSs. And last but not least, some people like to own whatever they've bought rather than lease it. That's why.

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    8. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your linux app is POSIX-compliant, it'll port pretty easily, but there's a few differences. Although most of the issues are Mac-to-linux, (pre-allocating files, some things in mmap, etc.) I'd be surprised if you don't find a few going the other way.

    9. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by macs4all · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      i say why because my app only runs on linux (for now). i don't know anything about multiplatform stuff and wouldn't even try to (I'm a VB developer..)

      Apparently you know a LOT about cross-platform development already, because you're evidently developing in a WINDOWS-ONLY language (VB) but SOMEHOW getting your app to run in LINUX.

      Perhaps you were developing in THIS, or THIS?

      Idiot.

    10. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      heh no,
      my day job requires me to work in Visual basic in windows, I decided to take the plunge and jump into linux so I could develop my app for the nokia internet tablet.

      its been an uphill struggle, but thanks to the community around maemo linux I have managed to overcome most issues and my daydreaming is slowly becoming a reality :)

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    11. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      The "perfectly good" part is indeed solely opinion -- so that's why I'm asking "why" would you do this... Is there something that linux does better here, because all I'm seeing are disadvantages?

      As to huge differences between unixes -- yes, there are, in this case, one of the differences is driver support, and another one is application support. What differences make linux better in this situation?

      And finally, owning what you've bought... What's that got to do with OS X? You don't lease OS X. In fact, this device would include a copy of OS X, so why waste the copy you get included, and own?

    12. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Haha ok let me break this down to you. First of all that "perfectly good" part is solely your opinion and believe it or not not everybody agrees. Secondly there are huge differences between unix like OSs. And last but not least, some people like to own whatever they've bought rather than lease it. That's why.

      Haha, ok, let me break THIS down to [sic] you:

      UNLIKE Linux, OS X is NOT, repeat NOT, a "Unix-LIKE OS". It IS a Unix OS.

      Just because you Linux fanbois are jealous for being a TRUE Unix (instead of a WANNABE Unix), doesn't mean you have to diss OS X.

      BTW nice keeping up with tech-news. OS X has been a certified Unix since 2007...

      Is that my karma I smell burning?

    13. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by morgauxo · · Score: 0, Troll

      because Apple anything tends to be proprietary, locked down garbage which Apple does not relinquish control of even after you pay them for it

    14. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by noundi · · Score: 1

      Wow, macs4all. I'll leave that uncommented. Anywho, thanks for the elaborate explanation of OS X being "TRUE Unix". I hate to break it to you but running a "TRUE Unix" doesn't really mean anything and you're not scoring any points. There is most certainly no "jealousy" because there really isn't anything to be jealous about, and the fact that you make such a childish claim states your age. I'm not interested in arguing with a teenager about... well anything really.

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    15. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      And this has exactly what to do with the benefit of running OS X over linux on a device for which you have OS X drivers and applications but not linux drivers and applications?

    16. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by foniksonik · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think his point is that MacPorts covers 99% of the Linux/Unix workalike software out there. Sure there is a lot of Linux only stuff - but typically only because the project is still in alpha and hasn't taken off yet. Given that, the drivers for the hardware on the device are not likley to be supported by Linux for some time after it's release... so you could 'own' the device by installing Linux but you'd be crippling it at the same time - for what purpose? Nothing but ego apparently.

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    17. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just a brief list of linux stuff that runs on top of OS X:

      X11
      kde
      e17
      For everything else there's fink and darwin ports.

      In fact, darwin itself is open source, meaning if you really, really have a hard on to run just linux apps, you could run the core OS with the drivers and all with X11 on top of it. Beeslebob's point is spot on, there's no reason to take a perfectly good unix that has drivers custom written for it to replace it with a one-size fits all OS like linux (as awesome as linux is, hardware drivers are its Achilles' Heel because the hardware is often propietary).

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    18. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by jedidiah · · Score: 0, Troll

      > Why on earth would you hack it to run linux?

      The same reason you would put Linux on a mini.

      MacOS is a pig and it's performance kind of sucks.
      Driver support is inferior.
      Support for random data formats is inferior.
      A special app with exclusionary encryption is really more trouble than it's worth.
      The "special app" doesn't help manage for the limitations of the target device.

      The iPhone is a spiffy little appliance.

      MacOS is more annoying than "superior" in it's distinctiveness.

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    19. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      MacOS is a pig and it's performance kind of sucks.
      Ehm, okay, if you say so, got some evidence, other than MySQL benchmarks, that have subsequently been fixed in the MySQL code?

      Driver support is inferior.
      On a device specifically designed to run OS X? Give me a break. A device like this probably has a good number of components that are custom built for the job and hence don't have linux drivers.

      Support for random data formats is inferior.
      Like which random data formats? 99% of linux software runs on Mac OS anyway, I very much doubt that 1% covers all the data formats in the world.

      A special app with exclusionary encryption is really more trouble than it's worth.
      Pardon? Which app are you talking about?

      Most of your points are just plane wrong, and the remaining ones are delusional.

    20. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true.

      In all likelihood, if there are MacOS drivers there are Linux drivers.
      You might even manage to get more out of the Linux drivers due to the
      OS being less likely to get in the way.

      The "software" side of things with MacOS might be better, or not.

      As we've recently seen, some Apple users don't mind cutting corners.

      "Apple is better" is an article of faith that isn't necessarily true.

      If there is a tablet machine in the Apple Store that means it's something
      you can go look at, pick up, listen to, pay cash for and then return if it
      doesn't work out for whatever reason.

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    21. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      In all likelihood, if there are MacOS drivers there are Linux drivers.
      Except that we're talking about a custom device that's specifically designed to run OS X. You see any linux drivers for the iPhone? No, I didn't think so ;).

      The "software" side of things with MacOS might be better, or not.
      Well, given that this device is going to have a crap load of software designed to run off it straight off the bat, yes, the situation is going to be worse on linux.

      "Apple is better" is an article of faith that isn't necessarily true.

      If there is a tablet machine in the Apple Store that means it's something
      you can go look at, pick up, listen to, pay cash for and then return if it
      doesn't work out for whatever reason.

      Not going to respond to this -- you're not actually making any objective point.

    22. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by noundi · · Score: 0, Troll

      If you don't already know the concept of free software then I suggest you have some googling to do. I don't mind proprietary software, but I'm not interested in running a proprietary platform. Free and open should naturally be the fundamental ground which any software stands on, even if it's proprietary or not. Why? You ask. Well it's difficult to explain to someone who's a fan of Apple, because to you iTunes and iPod together makes perfect sense. To me it's a horrible lock down that serves only the interest of Apple, not the consumer. In all honesty, how well do you think iTunes store would have done without Apple bundling iTunes with almost all its devices? Not only bundling but actively isolating any outside developers looking to create an alternative. If I buy an iPod I've already paid for its expenses. If Apple tries to sell it with "loss" just to collect the rest of the revenue through iTunes store then the iPod is in a way on lease. If I buy an iPod bundled with iTunes and Apple actively support third party developers to create new or improved ways to use my device then I consider it a fair deal. The sad truth is however that Apple does everything to prevent this. This method doesn't lead to "the best it could be", it leads to whatever benefits Apple.

      In the end you will end up paying more for songs because Apple sold you your iPod, when there could be other services that provide cheaper alternatives. If iTunes store was infact the best store around, how come you can't just release it into the wild and people will love it? Such as Firefox. The answer is simple, most people use iTunes because they're forced to. Eventually they might get accustomed to it but why compromise in the first place? Now you tell me, why would I support something like that? As a consumer, what do I benefit from such a selling strategy?

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    23. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what you're saying is that you can't find any reason why linux does the job of this device better than OS X, so you're going to default to "it's free software and therefor must be better". Even though I've demonstrated several reasons why running OS X on it, as designed would be beneficial?

      Fair enough, if your reason is "because I can", but honestly, you're deluding yourself if you actually think it's somehow better just by being free.

      You're putting up a bunch of straw man arguments here like "iTunes and iPod are horrible lock down"... what horrible lock down, it's a pair of music players that play mp3 and aac -- two formats that will play on almost any other player in the world. What's the lock down?

      As for iTunes doing well if it were completely separate to the devices... Well, that's kinda the point -- the reason it's doing well is not because it's locking you down, but instead because apple have a solution that works well. People find it nice to not have to do more than plug in their iPod and have everything work transparently.

      Note that your iPod selling at a loss story is a lie -- apple barely breaks even on the iTMS, they make all the money selling the devices.

      In the end you will end up paying more for songs because Apple sold you your iPod
      Even though I can use mp3s and aacs, and CD audio from all sorts of other sources? How is that exactly?

      If iTunes store was infact the best store around, how come you can't just release it into the wild and people will love it?
      I'm sorry, what? I really don't get what you're trying to say here.

      At the end of the day, all you're doing is throwing up a bunch of FUD about apple, most of which is not true in any way, and at the same time not answering the question -- *why* would you run linux on it... What would it do better?

    24. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Informative
      "So, assuming your assumption is true (which is a pretty big assumption)... Still, why hack linux onto it. Linux has no hardware support for it at all, no application support etc. Hacking the supposedly locked down OS X (already possible with jailbreaking on iPhones etc) would result in having hardware and application support right there and ready."

      I guess for the same reason people take Apple computers and laptops, remove (or dual boot) OSX and install Linux on them. They like the hardware, but prefer the different OS.

      They may want to make the product more efficient (only install/compile what they want). They may want functionality and control of open source apps which are often MUCH easier to install, configure and manage with a Linux install rather than having to work it into the OSX environment.

      There are often a good number of reasons people might want to do this...if for nothing else but for "because it can be done".

      :-)

      For such a new product, yes, drivers may be lagging for a little while, but, the Linux community usually comes up with them pretty quickly.

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    25. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      Why on earth would you hack it to run linux, this thing (assuming it existed) would most likely run OS X... So you take off a perfectly good unix with drivers for all the bits of the hardware, and lots of application support, and replace it with a one-size-fits all OS that doesn't do the half of it... Why?

      What you fail to see is that at some point, this thing (if it exists) will no longer be supported by Apple. But once Linux and other free unix-like OSes get ported it will be supported practically forever. Take a look at the Old World Macs (and even some of the New World Macs). If you want modern software to run on those things, your only practical option is to run a free unix-like system.

    26. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      They may want to make the product more efficient (only install/compile what they want).
      They may, but that can easily be fixed by hacking OS X... Much easier than by trying to hack linux onto it.

      They may want functionality and control of open source apps which are often MUCH easier to install, configure and manage with a Linux install rather than having to work it into the OSX environment.
      They are? Linux: apt-get install xyz. OS X: apt-get install xyz. What's easier on linux here?

      if for nothing else but for "because it can be done".
      That's the best reason I've seen all day, the only valid one I've seen I think.

    27. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by noundi · · Score: 1
      Perhaps I'm coming from the wrong angle here. I'm not saying that Linux would necessarily be a better choice for the device. What I'm saying is that if it isn't allowed (by Apple through keeping specs secret etc) then I see no reason to even look at it twice.

      The iPod and iTunes are two different products. Why should I be forced to use the other if I buy one of them? And yes there are applications that can interact with iPods, but please don't bullshit me with Apples intentions to fend off everybody else. People find it nice to be able to use their paid for music elsewhere than Apple only devices.

      And for the iPod selling at a loss, I never claimed it was so, I clearly said "if". But the link above shows how they can manipulate the market by doing exactly this, in reverse.

      If iTunes store was infact the best store around, how come you can't just release it into the wild and people will love it? I'm sorry, what? I really don't get what you're trying to say here.

      I'll explain further. If iTunes is such a great application, how come it isn't a choice? If it was infact the best choice then I see no reason why iPod or iPhone or iWhatever owners would choose otherwise. Because it simply isn't. It's a messy application that nearly made me vomit a little in my mouth the first time I saw it.

      I'm very much interested in what part of my post was FUD. Typichal fanboy abbreviation to use, FUD. Oh and for future posts, remember to explain what exactly you think is "FUD", or it only makes you look like a douche.

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    28. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      I was just about to post such a comment. I have been waiting for such a device, and with the genius minimalistic design from Apple... just have to wait for Multi-pointer X.

      Just give me a portable lightweight touchscreen with decent hardware and I'd buy it as soon as a Linux distro supports it!

      Oh and a mini-jack...

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    29. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by shmlco · · Score: 1

      What Linux drivers are going to support multitouch gestures on a dedicated Apple device? What Linux install is going to come with advanced handwriting recognition for input (assuming the story is true)? Power management? 3G networking?

      What Linux install is going to have multitouch applications designed specifically for the device? What Linux install is going to have App Store support built in so one can run one of the thousands of apps and games that will be written specifically for the device?

      So what you're saying is that one should trash all of that and install software that basically turns it into a brick, hardly suitable for its intended function?

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    30. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by V!NCENT · · Score: 2, Informative

      I for one because I am used to Linux and KDE4 is the first DE (including Windows and OS X) that I actually like. I am also against some practices from Apple and Microsoft that I decided to boycott wherever possible. Oh and 'killerapps' (read: apps I prefer) like AmaroK, DigiKam and Kdenlive (yes Linux has an awesome video editor, shocked? ;) :P) that do not work that well on Mac OS X yet...

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    31. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by T-Bone-T · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      What are you talking about? The rest of us are talking about possible pros/cons of installing Linux on this tablet and you aren't.

    32. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by anegg · · Score: 1

      I have never understood the theory behind the "lock in" claim you espouse here. I bought an iPod 3 years ago. I use iTunes the application, but not the iTunes Music Store (except for its Podcast directory capability). iTunes the application makes it easy to manage the music and podcasts on my iPod. All of my "soft" music is in MP3 format, easily transferrable to any other music player. It has to be, because I also have a SLIMP3 attached to my stereo in the living room. My Mac streams music off the Internet or from iTunes to the SLIMP3 so I can listen to it in my house. My iPod supplies the tunes in my car and other places I go. I'm not locked in.

      Now if you want to limit your claim of "lock-in" to soft music bought via the iTunes Music Store, then I understand the complaint. Although you can burn it out as a WAV then rip it back, its not straightforward or very time efficient. So, there is a lock-in for the music bought that way. But that is not a closed iPod/iTunes lock-in, its a closed iTunes Music Store/apple music format lock-in. Rather different, to me anyway.

    33. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? The rest of us are talking about possible pros/cons of installing Linux on this tablet and you aren't.

      I think he's trying to say that he's keeping his computer 'proprietary free', but since he's unfamiliar with the products he's talking about, he's using theoretical examples that aren't making much sense. The result is that he has muddied up hist post so much that his point is getting lost. Since he's unaware that his examples aren't making sense, he's trying to pass off the lack of understanding as everybody else being a stupid Apple fanboy.

      Personally I'm tired of somebody understanding the other side of an argument being called a fanboy. "Well you wouldn't understand because you're not as ignorant of the facts as I am!"

      This whole conversation is giving me a headache.

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    34. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by torako · · Score: 1

      Pretty much all music you buy from the Store nowadays is DRM free and doesn't require iTunes to play back (they call it "iTunes Plus").

    35. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      ????

      Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true.

      Then why do you keep doing it?

      In all likelihood, if there are MacOS drivers there are Linux drivers.

      In general, maybe, but if we are talking about the specific case of a product designed specifically for Apple, then probably not, starting out.

      You might even manage to get more out of the Linux drivers due to the
      OS being less likely to get in the way.

      And how does MacOS get in the way of its device drivers?

      The "software" side of things with MacOS might be better, or not.

      You might be an idiot, or not. What's your point?

      As we've recently seen, some Apple users don't mind cutting corners.

      And as I've seen over the years, there are morons in software camps. What's your point?

      "Apple is better" is an article of faith that isn't necessarily true.

      And it isn't necessarily untrue either. So what's your point again?

      If there is a tablet machine in the Apple Store that means it's something
      you can go look at, pick up, listen to, pay cash for and then return if it
      doesn't work out for whatever reason.

      And what's your point again?

    36. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      MySQL?

      Do you know what MacPuke is?

      I'm not going to use a console app or a daemon to judge the Mac.

      If I say that MacOS is a pig, it's because the GUI is slow and requires either
      more CPU or more RAM or more video HW acceleration or that it does a less good
      job at something like h264 decoding.

      I have multimedia files older than the current MacOS variant.

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    37. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To avoid getting a shitty dick or a sore ass?

    38. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by thegreatemu · · Score: 1

      Too bad apple's X11 is broken all to hell

    39. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      At this point no one knows what the chipsets are/will be so assuming there will/will not be Linux drivers is a matter of faith. I really doubt even Apple will design and fabricate their own chips just to keep open software off their hardware. They will no doubt have create some hoops to jump through in the bios similar to jailbreaking an iPhone.

      As for what does my comment have to do with the parent comment... That's why someone would want to run Linux on one. Wow, I thought that was clear, even enough for a fanboy to get it.

      One might put Linux on it because there really isn't much good hardware available in that form factor but the software side will suck. It will suck because Apple will probably try to lock it's customers into an app store, like the iPhone. There, little of value will be open or free and content will be censored squeaky clean to Apple's, not the user's standards.

      It's as though Apple still owns the equipment after you pay for it (and top dollar at that). It only does what Apple wants to let it do and even at that you must pay more money for each function. I just can't fathom the fanboy mindset. It's like people who prefer to be in prison!

      Not to mention that Apple's minimalist user interfaces, assumed to be the indisputable end all of user interfaces by fanboys worldwide is at best a matter of opinion. Some might even think that what they do well in looks they completely lack in function. Not that it can be assumed that everyone everywhere even likes their looks at all.

    40. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Well, maybe I need to learn a bit more how things work with OSX.

      I've tried setting up the darwin ports and the other package management system, and haven't had a lot of success. I also found that these (when I could get it to work) usually had much older versions of everything I wanted to try. I find it easier to just put linux on sometimes, and just emerge

      I find trying to put most open source things on OSX is more of a 'hack' than just having linux on it, and doing it the 'easy' way.

      :)

      But, it would be worthwhile for me to learn to do things within OSX. I do like the system for what is installed there, but, I've not yet had time to figure out and master how to install and run many of the open source apps I love so much with Linux.

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    41. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Ooh, we're playing the proprietary hardware driver game? OK, let's take turns naming consumer-grade hardware the other OS lacks drivers for. I'll start.

      Aureal Vortex AU8830.

    42. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      Especially just thinking of the NES and SNES emulating possibilities.

      I've got NES, SNES and Genesis emulators on my iPhone, and they all work rather well, in spite of the stripped down OS. It really is perfectly functional, and the Cydia APT repository is excellent.

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    43. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by macs4all · · Score: 1

      running a "TRUE Unix" doesn't really mean anything

      Um, maybe not in your Mom's basement, nor in your l337's friend's Mom's basements; but, in certain financial, government, academic, scientific and business circles it sure do!

      I'm not interested in arguing with a teenager about... well anything really.

      I haven't been a teenager for nearly 4 decades.

      Thanks!

    44. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true.

      Worked for the Bush Administration!

      But in this case, there is no lie being told.

      "Apple is better" is an article of faith that isn't necessarily true.

      But it is truer than the article of faith that "This is the year of the Linux Desktop"...

      Thank you very much, I'll be here all week.

    45. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      I have multimedia files older than the current MacOS variant.

      You'll be pleased to learn that pubic afros are pretty much passe these days.

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    46. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      What you fail to see is that at some point, this thing (if it exists) will no longer be supported by Apple. But once Linux and other free unix-like OSes get ported it will be supported practically forever.

      Oh really? I have an old DEC Alpha PC, can I get a modern Linux distro installed on it? It would be great if I could, I could still use it as a computer instead of a door stop.

      Falcon

    47. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by speedtux · · Score: 1

      run OS X... So you take off a perfectly good unix with drivers for all the bits of the hardware, and lots of application support, and replace it with a one-size-fits all OS that doesn't do the half of it... Why?

      Yes, why would people do that? Why do they bother making Linux distributions and installing them on their Mac hardware if OS X is really everything you make it out to be? Why?

      I'll tell you why: because they don't see OS X the way you do.

    48. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by speedtux · · Score: 1

      Just a brief list of linux stuff that runs on top of OS X: X11 kde e17

      Fink and Apple's X11 drove me off the Mac platform; they are such a PITA.

      meaning if you really, really have a hard on to run just linux apps, you could run the core OS with the drivers and all with X11 on top of it.

      Yeah, but why would you want to?

    49. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      For free unix-like systems, Debian and NetBSD come to mind.

    50. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by noundi · · Score: 1

      You know it's very simple. You bought an iPod, and you like iTunes. Good for you. What about those that bought an iPod and despise iTunes? It's one thing to support your device with software (mind you this is not the issue), it's another thing to lock out others looking to develop software for those that don't wish to use iTunes rendering them forced to use said application. The majority of those that initially bought an iPod had no clue they needed to use iTunes. Thus the consumer never got a chance to choose the best choice. The application that does things the way he wants, and a store that supplies cheaper songs, or perhaps even songs that Apple doesn't supply.

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    51. Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it by noundi · · Score: 1

      Um, maybe not in your Mom's basement, nor in your l337's friend's Mom's basements; but, in certain financial, government, academic, scientific and business circles it sure do!

      Name one.

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  5. All this talk of Newton's ghost by Centurix · · Score: 5, Funny

    Personally I think Newton's zombie would be a great name for a MacPad. iZombie.

    Plus it'd be a clean, sterile looking zombie, none of this blood, dirt and torn clothes. A MetroZombie.

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    1. Re:All this talk of Newton's ghost by InfoVore · · Score: 3, Funny

      And of course the tag line is: "iZombie, its for people with BRAINS!"

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  6. Speculation if fun by T-Bone-T · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That sound almost nothing like what Gizmodo is reporting: "It'll land in October, to be exact, when we should expect to pay around $800 for it."

  7. Price point by Zouden · · Score: 4, Funny

    When "a price of $599" doesn't sound intellectual enough, call it a price point and suddenly you sound like an expert.

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    1. Re:Price point by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      I was about to comment that "price" and "price point" were different things, but I reread the summary, and apparently it's whoever wrote it that needs to be taught that...

    2. Re:Price point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When a review of an imaginary Apple doesn't sound stupid enough, state a price less then $999 and suddenly you sound like a moron.

  8. You can't be serious? by rindeee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tomorrow's headline will no doubt read, "First 'Behind the Stick' Review of Production Model Flying Car!" What the hey, here's a quote from the article that's not yet been written; "The SuperFlyer 6000 rides smooth as silk and corners like it's on rails. At 144 miles per gallon, you couldn't ask for more, save for the stereo which is a little bit lacking with it's 5.1 surround (we'd prefer 7.1)."

    1. Re:You can't be serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny (sad?) thing is that your example quote is exactly what most scifi nerds use to support their arguments for pie-in-the-sky fantasies like terraforming other planets.

    2. Re:You can't be serious? by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      You forgot, it will sell for $5000 and qualifies for a $2000 eco-car credit.

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  9. Verizon data plan... by krischik · · Score: 1

    It won't arrive where I live then. And where Verizon is there Kindle already. I might not like Kindle but it is hugely successful where you can actually buy it. So I don't think that would be a good move.

    1. Re:Verizon data plan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Kindle runs on Sprint's EVDO network, not Verizon's.

  10. A keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would prefer the device to be a little thicker with a slide out keyboard. Requiring Bluetooth for a keyboard makes my laptop more convenient.

  11. Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! by GaryPatterson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, a product that's never been announced and only ever carried by the rumours that "it'd be really cool if Apple did, like, a tablet, you know!" is being discussed.

    There is no substance at all, no "there" there. How can anyone seriously discuss what to expect from a product that has no information whatsoever about it? It's just all circle-jerk stuff, the sort of stuff kids fantasise about but has no connection to reality.

    (sigh) I love talking tech as much as anyone, but can we at least try to stay grounded in reality?

    Hell, it's just as likely to hover 14 cm above a solid surface, have a voxel-based GPU, holographic memory unit all powered by a microtok generator. Why not just make shit up? The UI will be based on the user's thoughts, but will react before the user knows they're thinking about an action because that's how cool it'll probably be, maybe.

    Yup. News for nerds. Making shit up. So what does The Onion do for stories these days if Slashdot is going to nick the good ones?

    1. Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! by johnsjs · · Score: 0

      Wow, Voxel-based GPU you say.

      That makes the whole thing completely unbelievable. There is NO WAY they'll be able to do Voxel-based GPU at a $599 price point.

    2. Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! by 4D6963 · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's substantiated by the fact that Apple has a deal on 10" touchscreens, by the claims made by Apple concerning netbooks and the fact Apple had a job offer for a handwriting recognition expert.

      When you put all of these together it seems reasonable to expect a 10" touchscreen tablet appear. May I go out on a limb and ask you if you've RTFA?

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    3. Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! by Macrat · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's substantiated by the fact that Apple has a deal on 10" touchscreens,

      That would be rumor. Not fact.

      fact Apple had a job offer for a handwriting recognition expert.

      Maybe you don't know that handwriting recognition is built into the Mac OS? It's called InkWell. And it has been there for a while.

    4. Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't say substantiated and it is more evidence that if you repeat a rumor enough times, people think it's fact. The first article if you trace it back is that an unnamed source at a Taiwan company, Wintek, said that Apple will be receiving 10" screens in the fall. There was no mention of how many screens though which makes a difference if Apple ordered 10,000 as opposed to 1 million. So the article itself was somewhat of a rumor. Now the original article did say that they had no idea what Apple intended. So the source of the rumor wasn't knowledgeable enough to address that aspect meaning the source wasn't part of the negotiations. It could be that the source got details wrong like he meant 3" screens which would mean a slightly larger iPod/iPhone etc. As for general uses for large screen, I can think of another use: XServe racks could use them and other rack server systems do have them. Adding touch screens to them would be nice.

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    5. Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Anonymous for anonymous reasons...

      Apple hired both of the Macintosh software engineers away from Wacom (the graphics tablet company) about a year ago.

    6. Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      It would be ironic if rapid Mac Fanboys make up shit about an Apple product just to make the frontpage of Slashdot, and then Apple decides that it is a good enough idea and then makes it anyway.

      "Hey I'll buy anything from Apple as long as it is shiny and cool looking." -Typical Mac Fanboy from The Onion.

      Signed:

      Onion Blaster

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    7. Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      (sigh) I love talking tech as much as anyone, but can we at least try to stay grounded in reality?

      In a way I agree, but I also like to fantasize. In the case of a Mac tablet though there is no fantasy. The ModBook is a MacBook that's been modified into a Mac tablet. It has been available for years. A question I've had all these years is why Apple hasn't bought the company that makes the ModBook or released one itself.

      Falcon

  12. I know this is hearsay but... by Enuratique · · Score: 1

    My gf works in the publishing industry and her superiors have said they've seen the prototypes for an Apple tablet/e-Reader... Something like this IS coming... It's only a matter of when.

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    1. Re:I know this is hearsay but... by GaryPatterson · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. I know a guy who's brother's girlfriend's uncle's cleaner knows someone who once talked to a guy in a bar, but *that* guy's sister's grandson's nephew's monkey's uncle was a personal friend of Steve Jobs, and he knew the guy who dries the executive's hands in the Apple research division, and that guy knows a girl who once dated Steve Ballmer, but she hated the way he sweats so much, and her friend's cousin once met Steve Jobs, who knows Jonathan Ive's accountant, who's looking for a way to write off the costs of developing a new interface for handling tablet input.

      What was I.. Oh that's right, so the secret formula for Coke is mostly sugar, right, and those eleven herbs and spices? Yeah, ten of them are salt and pepper, and one's a genetically modified version of thyme, but it's crossed with a secret DNA strand that was developed in Area 51 from alien genetics. Don't ask me how I know. I'll need a chart to get *that* out.

    2. Re:I know this is hearsay but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know?

    3. Re:I know this is hearsay but... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      That's great and all, but what's their Bacon number?

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    4. Re:I know this is hearsay but... by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Dear god. This thing all sounds entirely possible, but I still ain't buyin' it.

      These portable and fragile electronic devices need a much lower price point. But for some reason, having a picture of an apple with a bite taken out of it will bring in twice what the thing is actually worth.

      The same could be said of Sony. Sony it largely getting by on its twenty+ year old reputation as "Sony, the one and only" creator of the smallest and most revolutionary gear. Their stuff isn't as great as it once was and both quality and customer support vary across the spectrum being both good and bad depending on which products you buy. [Read: very inconsistent] But as we all know today, Sony's reputation has been eroding steadily and there is a growing group of consumers who simply refuse to buy anything with a Sony logo.

      Back to Apple. If Apple continues down this road, they may find themselves in a similar situation as Sony. The more they expand their market to new users with new products, the more critical users they will have. This spells out "problem" as Apple has been getting by in their limited market based largely on fanboy-ism. Apple users buy Apple products traditionally... and defend Apple products ferociously. (Especially by modding posts like mine down!) But with a growing group of users, criticism over price, quality and flexibility are also growing. There are lots of descenting opinions and views of Apple on these topics. (My wife wants a new Apple workstation computer, but have you checked the prices on those beasts? I'm going to build her a Hackintosh using those EFI hacks that get MacOSX installed without modification. The price of a comparable machine is about half or less!) As for quality? The frequency of defects is pretty astounding in my opinion having personally had to bring macbook pros to the local apple store for system board replacement multiple times. And flexibility? The list of things that Apple prohibits and/or inhibits is simply growing and raising lots of complaints across the whole product line.

      These critical points are not noticed by Apple fanboys. To them it's normal, average or otherwise acceptable... and some will even hold Apple is quite superior to others in spite of evidence to the contrary. But once again, as their user-base is growing, so too grows the number of critics and descenting opinions.

    5. Re:I know this is hearsay but... by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      SO you're saying you did watch the pilot episode of Warehouse 13? I take it you liked it.

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    6. Re:I know this is hearsay but... by keithpreston · · Score: 1

      I work in the electronics industry and I have seen a lot of product way before their time. I also know that probably over HALF of these product never see the light of day outside a conference room.

    7. Re:I know this is hearsay but... by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      0. The guy in question is Kevin Bacon.

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    8. Re:I know this is hearsay but... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Well I know this is hearsay, but my girlfriend's best friend's tennis partner works next door to someone in the gaming industry, who says he's heard rumours of a new development in the popular Duke Nukem franchise.

      Something like this IS coming... It's only a matter of when.

    9. Re:I know this is hearsay but... by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      The frequency of defects is pretty astounding in my opinion having personally had to bring macbook pros to the local apple store for system board replacement multiple times.

      I am typing this on my first new Mac and next month I'll have had it 2 years. In those two years I have taken my MacBook Pro into the Genus bar at an Apple store once for problems with hardware, back in January. I owned it more than a year before having any hardware problems. Now I said new Mac, I also bought 2 used Macs. One was a Mac SE30 I bought in 1992. The one and only problem I had with it was when it died in 2000. The next Mac was a Powermac 7300/200 from I believe 1997 I bought a few months later. The first problem I had with it was when it refused to bootup in 2006.

      On the other hand I've bought 4 new PCs and I had to replace both the harddisk drive and motherboard of 3 of them in the first year. And it's not the OEM's problem, they were all made by different OEMs. From experience PCs are prone to more defects than Macs are.

      Falcon

  13. iPhone lite? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    If Apple can come up with a stripped down iPhone that:

    kept the same screen size

    had robust Exchange connectivity

    had an integrated GPS

    had decent battery life

    I'd switch back to Verizon, especially if it was a world phone. I'd even pay a premium for teh GSM side to be unlocked.

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    1. Re:iPhone lite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know I'm even more ready to compromise than you are. If Apple came up with an iPhone that:

      wasn't the equivalent of a bag full of shit

      I'd consider getting one for free.

    2. Re:iPhone lite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Verizon is a CMDA network and chances are there would be no GSM.

    3. Re:iPhone lite? by profplump · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I know you're half-trolling, since the current iPhone has both GPS and a magnetic compass. And I can certainly see why you're not as irrationally excited by the iPhone as other are. But when you say "Had robust Exchange connectivity" wouldn't it be more reasonable to ask that Exchange "Had robust IMAP connectivity"? We have a widely-used, well-documented, long-established, royalty-free protocol for remote mailbox access, which the iPhone supports fairly well -- it's Exchange that doesn't speak email.

      If you're going to whine about email access on a phone you should whine about the BlackBerry (any of them) and their lack of an IMAP client, or the ability to monitor more than one mail account, or the ability to not send your credentials to the BB server if you do use their non-syncing, inbox-only "IMAP" service. I know they're "helping" by providing push email, and it's not a terrible option for some people, but I get perfectly good battery life polling for email in 3 separate accounts, and the 2-minute average/4-minute maximum delay between message delivery and notification doesn't seem like a big problem for most uses.

    4. Re:iPhone lite? by Zerth · · Score: 1

      Are you ignoring the third-party IMAP clients, or complaining about their mediocrity?

      I understand the google client isn't horrible, but of course it only works with gmail.

    5. Re:iPhone lite? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Except Verizon already has dual CDMA / GSM phones for people who travel overseas.

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    6. Re:iPhone lite? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I know you're half-trolling, since the current iPhone has both GPS and a magnetic compass. And I can certainly see why you're not as irrationally excited by the iPhone as other are.

      I'm not sure why you think I'm trolling. As an iPhone user, there are a few features that would need to be in a lite version to make me switch. For me, it's maintaining the screen size, GPS and Exchange connectivity (which is much worse than that on a WinMobile phone, IMHO).

      But when you say "Had robust Exchange connectivity" wouldn't it be more reasonable to ask that Exchange "Had robust IMAP connectivity"? We have a widely-used, well-documented, long-established, royalty-free protocol for remote mailbox access, which the iPhone supports fairly well -- it's Exchange that doesn't speak email.

      If you're going to whine about email access on a phone you should whine about the BlackBerry (any of them) and their lack of an IMAP client, or the ability to monitor more than one mail account, or the ability to not send your credentials to the BB server if you do use their non-syncing, inbox-only "IMAP" service. I know they're "helping" by providing push email, and it's not a terrible option for some people, but I get perfectly good battery life polling for email in 3 separate accounts, and the 2-minute average/4-minute maximum delay between message delivery and notification doesn't seem like a big problem for most uses.

      I use Exchange for business - and the Iphone's implementation (lack of meeting invite capability, no notes / task synch) is frustrating. If it weren't for the screen I'd be back to my Treo.

      IMAP for me is a non-starter - our IT shop won't enable it; so it could be the greatest thing in the world but to me it is useless. Even so, the polling delay would be annoying for me. I've used that before and it was frustrating at times. While I don't like IT's stance, I'm not going to change it and it's simply not worth the time to try. To me, Apple should do a better job enabling exchange activesynch; I'm sure there are other business users that would like enhanced capabilities as well.

      I want a solution that works out of the box; the current iPhone is close but not quite there. My biggest gripe is ATT's network has many more dropped calls than I experienced on Verizon; so I'm not all that happy with ATT although I like my iPhone. My point is that Verizon has an opportunity to draw iPhone customers to its service; if the rumored phone can meet their needs better than the current one.

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    7. Re:iPhone lite? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      If Apple came up with an Iphone that had buttons, 3G, copy/paste, ability to run applications not just that Apple decide, video, ability to picture message with a wide range of phones, and cost under £100, I'd switch in a flash. It's just such a shame that there aren't any phones other than the Iphone :(

    8. Re:iPhone lite? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      If Apple can come up with a stripped down iPhone that:

      kept the same screen size

      had robust Exchange connectivity

      had an integrated GPS

      had decent battery life

      Ohh, ohh and a pony. I suppose you expect this device to be cheaper as well.

      I'd even pay a premium for teh GSM side to be unlocked.

      That's just crazy talk, you're locked to a single carrier for our profits^W^W^W I mean your own safety.

      Signed,
      Your corporate overlord.

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    9. Re:iPhone lite? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      For me, it's maintaining the screen size, GPS and Exchange connectivity... I use Exchange for business - and the Iphone's implementation (lack of meeting invite capability, no notes / task synch)

      If you exclude WinMo, then what you are after is an Android phone running Touchdown for Exchange. Touchdown despite it's crappy name will sync tasks, calendar, contacts and multiple mail folders over wifi or 3G and supports push via ActiveSync. This is one of the many reasons I maintain that the iphone is not suitable for business, no third party mail clients so your forced to use whatever Apple deems suitable for you.

      The HTC Dream, HTC Magic have been released in Europe and Australia and the Samsung I7500 is due out in the UK within a month and all three have 3.2" capacitive touch screens. Having owned an Android phone (HTC Dream, it has its flaws like poor battery life (24-30 hours) but the physical keyboard easily makes up for it) I can say that Android is not going after the iphone crowd (in other words, the ooh shiny crowd) but are targeting the WinMo/Blackberry crowd (business people, professionals) by providing a more open (to developers) and stable platform that is available on a wider range of devices.

      IMAP for me is a non-starter - our IT shop won't enable it

      As an Exchange admin, it's my experience that IMAP on exchange is not that good. It's great on other mail exchangers but MS put almost no work into IMAP on Exchange. ActiveSync is good enough so long as you're running Exch 2003 SP2 or greater. Plus IMAP is one more protocol we have to support, I understand why your IT dept is reluctant to enable it.

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    10. Re:iPhone lite? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Except Verizon already has dual CDMA / GSM phones for people who travel overseas.

      Most 3G countries outside the US are using HSDPA/HSUPA. Japan has started rolling out HSDPA+ and Australia is looking at HSDPA+. Other nations are using a mixture of 2G technologies but most phones are quad band 2G these days supporting most protocols (GRPS, EDGE).

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  14. WTF. by MrCrassic · · Score: 3, Funny

    How are these far-fetched predictions any different than the many that were made for the iPhone and iPod before it?

    I hate to argue about the "slashdottedness" of a post, but I don't see how this belongs here. This kind of conversation is more appropriate in MacRumors or sites like it...

    1. Re:WTF. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Strangely enough, MacRumors ran a story on the possible Mac tablet device earlier today. There's one key difference between their reporting and the summary here though: they actually cited sources so that they didn't pull ideas straight from thin air.

    2. Re:WTF. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      With this device, sunshine really will shine out of the owners' backside. Only without the whole "ring of fire" effect you'd expect from such an occurance.

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    3. Re:WTF. by Macrat · · Score: 1

      How are these far-fetched predictions any different than the many that were made for the iPhone and iPod before it?

      You mean like the "leaked" iPhone photos that turned out to be the Sony Ericsson P800?

      Where's that iPhone Nano?

  15. Do I have to do everything round here? by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Funny
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  16. Apparent RAM upgrade :) by Bifurcati · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know, I know, it's just a (repeated) typo. But to consistently assign products 64-128 GB of RAM...it doesn't really inspire confidence in me as to the accuracy of the rest of the article...

    1. Re:Apparent RAM upgrade :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm not so sure it's a typo. I'd put my money on the author not knowing the difference between ram and storage. they're both measured in the same unit so they must be the same thing!

    2. Re:Apparent RAM upgrade :) by Atticka · · Score: 1

      Thank you! I was going to post the same thing.

      It's hard to take this article seriously when they confuse disk/flash storage with RAM.

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    3. Re:Apparent RAM upgrade :) by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Nobody said it was small. It's actually an iMac with a 10" touchscreen.

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    4. Re:Apparent RAM upgrade :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps he doesn't know the difference between RAM and flash?

    5. Re:Apparent RAM upgrade :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the strictest sense, flash is RAM. You can access it randomly without needing to go over intervening parts.

      This is as opposed to a tape drive which is linear access memory. Hard drives are a sort of hybrid. They have linear tracks, but inter-track access does not depend on reading the data on each intervening track.

  17. If it is tied to Verizon by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    It will absolutely fail in Apple's user base. The only two groups that will shell out for it are the people who don't have iPhones and the fanbois who would buy a service plan with every single mobile provider if Apple released an exclusive product through each one.

    1. Re:If it is tied to Verizon by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      More important is that Verizon's technology isn't used much outside of the US. Pretty much everywhere else is GSM, which is what ATT and T-Mobile uses. Why design a MacTablet or whatever that can only be used in one country or have to maintain two separate versions, one for the US and one for everywhere else.

      Some kind of netbook or tablet I could be in the market for in the next year. I'm not really needing a new MacBook Pro as I primarily use Email, Google Docs, and our SVN/Bug Tracking tools (all web based). I don't really do that much coding anymore.

      I've already got an iPhone and I've stopped carrying the laptop everywhere. In a few emergencies, I've been able to ssh into a server or a web-based control panel and reset servers. It is less than ideal, but works.

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    2. Re:If it is tied to Verizon by ScottForbes · · Score: 1

      More important is that Verizon's technology isn't used much outside of the US.

      Verizon's current technology isn't used much outside of the U.S., but Verizon is switching to LTE in 2010.

  18. More proprietary crap with great potential that by swb311 · · Score: 1

    will never be realized.

    WHY OH APPLE OVERLORDS do you feel the need to cock-tease us with these wonderful little devices (like the iPhone) and then cock-block us into contracts, limited wifi usage, your set of pre-approved applications, etc.


    Apple, you used to be cool.

    I'm done with your fascist ways, I'm buying Windoze!!

    1. Re:More proprietary crap with great potential that by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Apple, you used to be cool.

      You mean like, when it was Steve and the Woz in a garage?

      The Macintosh was a graphics-only platform with no graphics acceleration. It went downhill from there. (The Lisa I consider to just be a sort of proto-failure.)

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  19. Re:$599 is a rip off by beelsebob · · Score: 1

    You are aware that the iPhone is $699? The mini is a totally different kind of machine. It has no screen (one of the most expensive components), and has much more space than this does to fit bits in. $599 actually sounds rather low to me.

  20. What To Expect From Apple's Rumored MacPad by dvh.tosomja · · Score: 2, Funny

    > What To Expect From Apple's Rumored MacPad

    Rumors?

  21. Re:If children are our future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called survival of the fittest. Darwin Awards.

  22. Duke Nukem Called by salesgeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    and wants his Mac tablet. He said to pick it up after the Forever release party, and just before Microsoft releases BobLive.

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  23. Why? by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    The MacPad will arrive in fall '09 or Jan '10, with a 10" diagonal color display, a $599 price point with a Verizon data plan, a stylus, note taking application and handwriting recognition and an e-bookstore for iTunes.

    Ok, if this is all true (which I really haven't seen that any of it is) I can't see this being a success for Apple. First, $599 for it? Honestly you can get full laptops cheaper than that with data. Second, a stylus with all the multi-touch from the iPhone? Third Verizon(!)(?) they make AT&T look great in comparison.

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  24. To Plan or To not Plan by krischik · · Score: 1

    If $599 is low or high depends on the attached plan - or the lack of one. Here in Europe companies now have to quote the "no strings attached" price of any mobile device alongside. But seems it's not the case in the states.

  25. Ya... I'm thinking not... by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This "let's make shit up and pretend like it is real," stuff annoys me. There is no basis to any of this.

    What's more, I find it rather unlikely Apple is going to try for a PDA type device. Why? As mentioned, the iPhone. If you do some shopping around these days you discover that dedicated PDAs, as in devices that aren't part of a phone, are rather rare. You can get them, of course, but there aren't so many out there. Why's that? Well most people don't want to carry another device with them. They are all about minimal amount of crap to carry around.

    Phone PDAs, well those are all the rage. These days it seems that providers have almost as many smart phones as normal phones. People love the idea. You get all your PDA features, in a slightly larger phone. Only one device to carry.

    I know it is certianly that way for me. A number of years ago our boss got us PDAs. There was some deal that he was able to get them cheap so he figured "Why not?" Well, they never really got used. Even he wasn't all that keen on carrying an extra device. However we now all have smartphones, and we all love them. Ya they are a little larger than a plain cell, but not much and you get all the PDA features AND all the phone features.

    So it would be rather retarded for Apple to try and enter the PDA market, because there really isn't one. They already are doing great in the smartphone market, that is probably where they'll stay. I just don't see PDAs making a resurgence, ever.

    Now they might try a tablet PC or something, there is a small market for those. However it won't be a $500 device, that's for sure. Tablet PCs are, as the name implies, PCs you can write on as in full featured laptop hardware. Means from Apple you are talking $1000+.

    1. Re:Ya... I'm thinking not... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      This "let's make shit up and pretend like it is real," stuff annoys me. There is no basis to any of this. What's more, I find it rather unlikely Apple is going to try for a PDA type device. Why? As mentioned, the iPhone. If you do some shopping around these days you discover that dedicated PDAs, as in devices that aren't part of a phone, are rather rare.

      I mostly agree with you on this. If these rumors have any truth to them, I suspect Apple is planning on releasing a larger version of the iPhone, under a different name, and paired with service from Verizon. It's vaguely possible it won't make cell calls directly, but do it over data using some sort of a VoIP service Apple cobbled together, but it's doubtful.

    2. Re:Ya... I'm thinking not... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      So it would be rather retarded for Apple to try and enter the PDA market, because there really isn't one.

      Other than the 13 million iPod Touches, I'd agree with you. Seriously, if the iPhone is a phone + PDA, and you remove the phone...

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  26. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Because Apple will adopt touch screen technology on its netbooks, Apple will not target low-end consumers, avoiding direct competition with Acer, Asus, as well as their less-than-500-dollars netbooks. Apple's netbook (or a "tablet" as many call it,) will probably be sold at around $800 USD each."

    OP is clueless to apple's business strategies and Apple is much more likely to subsidize through AT&T

  27. sounds nice, but by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like a nice prediction (not saying anything about its accuracy), but as someone who recently purchased an ebook reader, I don't think I could ever go back to anything but an e-ink screen for long-term reading (though we'll have to see how the Pixel Qi screens are). Being able to read 3 or 4 books without having to think about plugging the device in to recharge is a godsend!

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  28. Stylus by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    I don't know about the rest of the specs, but the stylus seems really, really unlikely. Apple is all about touch these days, and especially if this thing is running a variant of iPhoneOS rather than Mac OS X, it'll need multitouch input with fingers to work well. Plus, a stylus-using screen is just too TabletPC-like (i.e. Microsoft's big idea from 2001), and can you imagine Apple coming out with a device that will invite comparisons to the ModBook (i.e. someone else's design from 2007)? That would smack of playing "catch up" and introducing a "me too" product. Does that sound like Apple?

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    1. Re:Stylus by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That would smack of playing "catch up" and introducing a "me too" product. Does that sound like Apple?

      Yes. The last Apple commercial I saw: "Copy & Paste: New on the iPhone 3GS" Their desktops and servers are using intel chips now. MacOSX proponents were constantly touting "UNIX underpinnings!" Apple does a lot of innovating, but in their innovation, they purposefully ignore others' years old achievements, then add them in a "me too!" style to sell version 2.0 of their innovation.

    2. Re:Stylus by digid · · Score: 1

      So I assume you'll be finger painting to take notes with it? There's no reason why it can't be have both multitouch input from fingers and stylus support. The stylus should be analogous to a pencil not a navigation device like traditional pdas.

    3. Re:Stylus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you finger paint notes on your iPhone?

    4. Re:Stylus by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Hmm reminds me that Apple filed a patent on hand gesture recognition that looked at the full contact impression of a hand resting on a surface in a 'pen holding position'... essentially they'd be recognizing the bottom edge of your hand rather than your fingers - as you held an invisible pen and wrote out your notes.

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  29. setting itself up for failure? by hrbrmstr · · Score: 1

    (Mostly replying to the ending sentence of the post)

    Unless Apple really has a complete QA failure with a future OS upgrade or new device release, they will remain in front of the other device manufacturers for a very long time. They will be free to pick-and-choose which interesting & successful bits they steal and then super-engineer/implement from Android, Palm, Microsoft, etc and continue their lead.

    I'm still convinced these netbook/tablet rumors are just that - rumors.

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    1. Re:setting itself up for failure? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      Here's how it works :

      1. Apple releases a new kind of product
      2. IT journalists, bloggers, pundits of all kinds and Slashdot go "What were they thinking?"
      3. New product and its variants turn out to be a success of Homeric proportions
      4. IT journalists, bloggers, pundits of all kinds and Slashdot go "What were we thinking?"

      Rinse, repeat.

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  30. Wow, 64GB to 128GB or RAM! by kybur · · Score: 1
    With that amount of RAM, I wonder how much flash storage Apple is going to include!

    I agree with the "Hey! Let's just make Shit up" poster.

    How exactly is this newsworthy?

    Come on, Slashdot. I like apple as much as the next guy, but this is just pointless.

  31. Mac Tablet History by mevets · · Score: 4, Informative

    [ credits to Rik Myslewski at the register]:

    * eWEEK, November 2002, "Waiting for the Mac Tablet":
                        "It's my strong belief - let's call it a hunch - that prototype Mac tablets are already making the rounds among select developers."
    * Engadget, May 2005, "Apple's patented the Tablet Mac"
                        "[Tablet-Mac rumors] became substantiated today when Apple's secret plans for a tablet PC were ... revealed.
    * CutMeLoose.com, May 2005, "Apple Tablet PC sightings"
                        "I have no less than 5 sources saying an Apple Tablet announcement is due soon."
    * Cnet UK, November 2007, "Apple Tablet PC is real, says Asus"
                        "You can bet your bottom dollar [a tablet Mac] is being built as you read this."
    * Mac|Life, January 2008, "The Apple Tablet Mac: 8 Reasons It's Gonna Happen"
                        "The tablet rumor has been around for the last couple years, but now, all the ducks are in a row."
    * ZDNet, May 2008, "Tablet Mac coming this fall"
                        "A little birdy tells me that Apple will announce a 12 or 13-inch tablet in the fall of this year."
    * Wired, July 2008, "Apple to Launch MacBook Touch?"
                        "The blogosphere is aflutter with rumors of a touchscreen Mac tablet."
    * Industry Standard, December 2008, "Apple announces Mac tablet at Macworld 2009?"
                        "Could this 6 year old rumor finally come true?"

    1. Re:Mac Tablet History by 4D6963 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As the saying goes, there's no smoke without fire. Just look at the rumours about the Google OS.

      Besides, the Apple tablet in question is rumoured to have taken an unusual time to develop.

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    2. Re:Mac Tablet History by CrashandDie · · Score: 1

      Excepted that spreading rumors about Google is just like playing Nostradamus.

      Say 5000 different things, even with 0.1% accuracy, that's still 5 items that will hit. Google is fanning out horizontally, so you're bound to hit the target at least once.

      How many rumors have there been about Google or Apple?

    3. Re:Mac Tablet History by derGoldstein · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As the saying goes, there's no smoke without fire

      But it's been smoking for 6 years. Are you going to keep the firetruck stationed there the entire time?

      Besides, the Apple tablet in question is rumoured to have taken an unusual time to develop.

      Wow! It's almost like the reason for the rumor not coming true is baked into the rumor itself!
      As the saying goes, it's a self-fulfilling... rumor(?)...

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    4. Re:Mac Tablet History by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      In the Mac camp, that smoke is from a bong.

  32. Re:If children are our future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well then, Darwin was wrong because she survived, and her parents will likely get a nice settlement from the city. It's unfair that stupidity and a penchant for lawsuits combine to reward people and stuff the wallets of lawyers. My parents would have laughed at me for being stupid enough to text while walking in the street and not looking where I was going. Now, had she been substantially injured, sue away...

  33. Soooo... by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

    ...as an iPhone user married to AT&T, if I want one of these I have to sign up with Verizon as well? I thought polygamy was illegal?

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  34. A Data plan? by British · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember when computers didn't have monthly data plans? I would rather save $ and just mooch off free wi-fi.

    1. Re:A Data plan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this came with a required data plan, that's exactly what would stop me from buying it.

    2. Re:A Data plan? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Apple should give away WiFi APs that offer both a private AP and an open AP that is secure enough that users don't have to worry and uses bandwidth controls so users of the open network get lower bandwidth priority and can't be abusive. Even if the open AP could only be used by their products. Sprinkle them all over and work at getting them within businesses, parks, etc. Heck, I'd buy the device if I could. I've owned similar APs but they lacked the needed bandwidth and security controls (or were to hard/expensive) for the open AP.

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  35. MOD PARENT UP by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Informative

    That post is far more informative than the "let's make stuff up" article that Taco posted.

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  36. Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just be done with it and become a Apple Fanboi site?

  37. Death of the Macintosh by with+a+'c' · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Mac Pad has some possibility to be real simply because you would have to be blind to not see that the end of the Macintosh as a basic consumer device is coming. Anyone that went to WWDC can tell you the focus was entirely on iPhone OS.

    The Macintosh will still be around as high end media creation devices and servers. Think of iPhone, Touch and potential MacPad or new consumer devices as media consumption devices. They will have basic editing ability (see iLife and iWork) but that's it. Who really needs a quad quad xenon to play MP3s and watch videos. Also look at the game market on iPhone OS. That's where the money is and that's where Apple is going.

  38. So... by mambodog · · Score: 1

    Slow news day, huh?

  39. Here's the hands-on review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://gizmodo.com/363137/axiotron-modbook-review-verdict-a-touchscreen-macbook-done-right

  40. Re:$599 is a rip off by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Take the last generation of mini, swap the C2D with an Atom and you've got the Dell Mini.

    That's why Dell Mini's are used as Hackintoshes.

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  41. DRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why is DRM in the keywords? itunes music store got rid of their drm

  42. I was pleasantly surprised by /. by wfolta · · Score: 1

    When I read the linked Slashdot thread on the iPhone, I was pleasantly surprised to find that almost all high-scoring posts were in fact reasonable and ultimately proved to be correct. Sort of restores my faith in Slashdot.

  43. Wrong. by monoqlith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Apple's biggest challenge will be convincing its huge installed base of iPhone owners that they need a MacPad too. "

    What? No.

    First of all, if this "MacPad" exists it is not going to be targetted at existing iPhone customers. It will be targetted at existing Mac users and PC users. From what I'm hearing this thing more akin to a mobile PC than a Netbook-ified cell phone. You're not going to convince many users of the expensive but very functional iPhone that they need yet another mobile device. So, yes, in a way, this would be a challenge, such a big one, in fact, that it would make no sense to try to do it.

  44. "Net Pad" by Lepton68 · · Score: 1

    No physical keyboard. A pad, not a book. Apple has DynaBook and Knowledge Navigator in its blood, remember. Thickness of an iPhone. Beefed up iPhone OS, not a slimmed down OSX. Support for a Bluetooth keyboard. Support for Bluetooth mouse. Support for stylus. Finger and stylus can use "Ink" technology to write on screen. Possible 3G card. Voice I/O enhanced from 3GS version.

    I can see Apple selling a separate Bluetooth keyboard that can clip to the NetPad, making it look like a closed NetBook, protecting screen and keys. Possible removable hinge arrangement to allow for those who insist on a "book".

    The proper price is $499 without optional keyboard or 3G card. But this is Apple. I hope for $599.

    There is something called NetPad already. But there was something called iPhone already too.

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  45. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A price that's so high only Apple lovers will pay (again and again) for the privilege of using it.

  46. Price and Rumor by lymond01 · · Score: 1

    First thing's first. $599 for anything from Apple is a virtual impossibility. You can't buff that shine into something for less than $599, never mind add a bunch of electronics and usability into it.

    Second thing, why not just make an iPhone with an enlargeable screen? Wouldn't that be the killer product? LCDs can be practically paper-thin...allow the iPhone's screen to expand to laptop-size. Or better, allow a laptop screen to expand to monitor size so you can actually sit around one with your friends/colleagues at a patio/conference table.

    Do I have to do all the thinking here, people!

  47. Re:If children are our future... by noundi · · Score: 1

    So Darwin was wrong because you assume that fittest means smartest? In that case you're not very fit yourself.

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  48. in addition by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    It will come with an installed copy of Duke Nukem Forever. And a pony.

    1. Re:in addition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And roller skates for the tablet. And for the pony.

  49. What to expect? Easy by Em+Ellel · · Score: 1

    I would expect Apple fans to proclaim it to be the most innovative and awesome thing ever, even though there is nothing new in the concept and it will probably be more restrictive in what you can do with it than a rented etch-a-sketch. Still, I would expect it to be a raging success, as no other company has as rabid a fan-base that will buy anything Apple throws at them without complaining and will even infect others who should know better to buy them as well. Hell, not proud of it, but I own two ipods, iPhone and a Mac, and I'll probably buy one of theses because while there is nothing new here, no one has been able to successfully produce anything like it on mass scale (again, see rabid fan-base), which I expect will pretty much make them the only game in town. Funny how that turns out.

    I am still holding out hope for the CrunchPad. C'mon, the netbooks are now under $200, touchscreen film for that size is about $20 - why has not one of the netbook manufacturers thought of combining the two (there are plenty of hacks online for this) into a tablet only case (not those annoying and expensive turn and flip things?). I bet they just do not think they can sell enough of those. Watch Apple prove them wrong.

    -Em

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  50. 10 inch display? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    I do wonder about this. Microsoft seems determined to try to destroy the 12 inch netbook market, but the fact that they are trying to do that shows that the market wants 12 inch screens. Apple has an opportunity. A 12 inch screen is not far off US letter size, but also the additional surface area allows the incorporation of a much bigger battery and passive cooling. The Macbook Air has a screen 1 inch larger than the mainstream thin and light notebooks, and the extra space would prevent any cannibalisation of the Apple handheld markets. The Macbook Air also hasn't been very successful - too many compromises. A replacement which was smaller, lighter, cheaper and had working handwriting recognition (and perhaps a good onscreen keyboard) in a portrait format would be perhaps sufficiently different from the mainstream, while being genuinely useful.

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  51. Macpad? Bah. Crunchpad! by Bysshe · · Score: 1

    Screw the MacPad. Give me a Crunchpad

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  52. If Mac ends, which platform for iPhone SDK? by tepples · · Score: 1

    you would have to be blind to not see that the end of the Macintosh as a basic consumer device is coming. [...] look at the game market on iPhone OS. That's where the money is and that's where Apple is going.

    If Apple discontinues the Mac mini and the iMac, what will people use to make games for iPod Touch so that Apple can get its 30 percent rake from the App Store?

    1. Re:If Mac ends, which platform for iPhone SDK? by am+2k · · Score: 1

      MacPros?

  53. It's a mac. by Nekomusume · · Score: 1

    It will cost far too much, do not nearly enough, be "stylish" to some and "boring" to others... And even should 1 in 10 of them explode, the serious mac fans will drool over them and spend far too many hours trying to convince everybody else that they are subhuman trash for not taking apple marketing as the holy gospel.

  54. Beating the dead meme horse by XLR8DST8 · · Score: 0

    imagine a Beowulf cluster of these! go ahead.. mod me down.. :(

  55. Where's the bloody multi-touch already?!?!?!?!?! by joshamania · · Score: 1

    Stylus?!? Are you (*&#)(*&)R**&)(^!!! kidding me?

    Am I the only person in the world that is disgusted by the fact that the first and so far *only* consumer device that has a multi-touch interface also has a 3" screen? When the iPhone came out I figured that it would only be a matter of time before Apple announced a multi-touch MacBook and anything less than $5000 and I'm soooo buying it....but...no. Multi-touch on the iPhone is retarded. You can use all of one real multi-touch gesture on it, the zoom, and that could have been easily accomplished with no degrading usability in a single-touch gesture or a button. For multi-touch to really affect how we use a computer, we gotta have some real estate! Give me multi-touch on a 17" screen! NOW!

  56. Verizon? by Catalina588 · · Score: 1

    Apple would not easily abandon tens of millions of AT&T subscribers who own iPhones by forcing them to spend another $100 a month with a new carrier. Would they?

  57. Followed by the ZunePad by Microsoft by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    and then the ChromePad by Google and the LinPad by Linux companies.

    Might as well cover all the bases here.

    Let me see how this plays out for a business plan.

    #1 Create BS story about Apple technology to make the Slashdot front page.

    #2 ?

    #3 Profit!

    It seems to follow an Underpants Gnomes Business Model there.

    If Apple already has a deal with AT&T for the iPhone, why make a deal with Verizon for the MacPad? It seems like Apple and AT&T can bundle iPhone and MacPad service in one bill to save the customer money.

    Why would Apple make a MacPad that costs less than a MacBook with almost the same technology? Why not lower the price of a MacBook and then include a mobile wireless modem in it with a wireless plan to cut down on the costs because buying the MacBook bundle will lower the cost of the MacBook and then make up the difference via the Internet service plan.

    Also what if Apple calls it the iPad or something else?

    Also what if Apple bought 10 inch screens for a 10 inch MacBook instead of a MacPad?

    Also what if Apple hired a handwriting expert to improve the Mac OSX Inkwell program instead of creating a MacPad?

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  58. Setting itself up to conquer the netbook market. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    I think Apple would be stupid not to be working on a larger variant of the iPod Touch / iPhone as it's been on the request list of so many people for so long. I'd be waiting in line for it even if it's no more powerful than the existing iPhone but had a bigger screen (paperback sized would be about right). I already use my iPod Touch as a portable computer (but not really as a media player) and my only big wishes are to need to scroll less and have all my keys available at once on my virtual keyboard. (Bluetooth keyboard/mouse would be good too.) My wife would want one immediately too as she is torn between carrying on iPhone or a netbook for keeping track of her daily tasks, checkbook, contacts, etc.

    This is a rumor that if it isn't true yet it will be. There is just a world of demand for this product.

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  59. Why on earth would you hack it to run linux, by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    this thing (assuming it existed) would most likely run OS X...

    Because it will do more. I am typing this on a MacBook Pro I'm thinking about installing Ubuntu Studio on. If I do I will be able to run software on it I haven't been able to run on it yet.

    Falcon

    1. Re:Why on earth would you hack it to run linux, by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Like which software? 99% of Linux software runs happily on OS X.

    2. Re:Why on earth would you hack it to run linux, by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Like which software? 99% of Linux software runs happily on OS X.

      I tried to install and use CinePaint and Fink. I was unable to use either one. Sure some get them to work but I'm no genus or hacker. With Ubuntu Studio CinePaint comes with it and I don't need Fink. Or DarwinPorts or MacPorts to install apt-get, .deb, or .rpm packages. I also have Eclipse installed but I get errors when I run it in my user account, then when I try to quit it it won't. Even Force Quit will not stop Eclipse, the only I can kill it is by shutting down though logging out may work, I haven't tried it. Yet I installed the Mac version of it, and it works fine in an admin account but not a user account.

      Falcon

    3. Re:Why on earth would you hack it to run linux, by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      You're kidding me. You honestly couldn't manage to go to cinepaint's web page and figure out "click the download button, and double click the file that downloads"? Similarly with fink or macports, download, double click one thing.

      Of note btw, while cinepaint is shiny (and easy to install), there's actually better software to do that kind of thing on Macs -- pixelmator for example. Can pixelmator run on linux? Wait, no.

    4. Re:Why on earth would you hack it to run linux, by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      You're kidding me. You honestly couldn't manage to go to cinepaint's web page and figure out "click the download button, and double click the file that downloads"?

      I did that. And when I launched CinePaint after installation all I got was a CinePaint titlebar, nothing else. I tried to open a photo with it, by ctrl clicking the photo and choosing CinePaint in the Open With dialogue. But it did not open.

      Of note btw, while cinepaint is shiny (and easy to install), there's actually better software to do that kind of thing on Macs -- pixelmator for example.

      Does pixelmator work with at least 16 bit colour channels, depths? I googled it, and oh surprise a license cost $60. Looking at a comparison between it and Photoshop Elements it looks like PE does more, and I got PE with the scanner I bought. However that comparison doesn't say what it's colour depth is, let's look more. Oh, here we go: "It should be noted that 16 bit raw files when saved out are reduced to 8 bits of color depth so using Pixelmator for JPGs would be fine but if you want to shoot raw I suggest using either the pro-level tools or the software that came with the camera." It only saves 8 bit colour channels? Not that good, at least CinePaint saves at least 16 bit depths. Now let me go over to photo.net and see what people there say about it... Not much, out of thousands of posts it's mentioned only 3 tymes though none of them say how well it works. One does say though that "the screenshots for Pixelmator are apparently created in PhotoShop" and provides a link. CinePaint works well enough to use on a number of movies including "Last Samurai", "Harry Potter", and "Lord of the Rings". And you think pixelmator is better?

      Falcon

    5. Re:Why on earth would you hack it to run linux, by beelsebob · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So conclusions from this:

      CinePaint runs on Linux and Mac OS (I installed it and did all the operations you suggested quite happily)
      Pixelmator runs on Mac OS, but not linux
      Photoshop elements runs on Mac OS, but not linux.
      You're incompetent and can't even install a piece of software.

      What were you trying to prove again?

  60. Just a brief list of linux stuff that runs on top by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    of OS X:

    X11
    kde
    e17
    For everything else there's fink and darwin ports.

    I've got X11 installed and tried to install CinePaint and Fink but couldn't get either one to run. I could try MacPorts but it doesn't have CinePaint. So I've been thinking of installing Ubuntu Studio.

    Falcon

  61. why install Linux on Macs? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I think his point is that MacPorts covers 99% of the Linux/Unix workalike software out there.

    MacPorts does not support CinePaint.

    Sure there is a lot of Linux only stuff - but typically only because the project is still in alpha and hasn't taken off yet.

    I heard about MacPorts 5 years ago. If it's not out of alpha it's never be out of beta.

    Given that, the drivers for the hardware on the device are not likley to be supported by Linux for some time after it's release...

    I have been investigating installing Ubuntu on my Mac for months. Because CinePaint was dropped from Ubuntu I've been thinking of installing Ubuntu Studio, which does include CinePaint, and I have not found one deal breaker. Ubuntu Forums has a number of posts on how to install Ubuntu on Macs such as this one, "Macbook Pro- Santa Rosa", which is what my Mac's version.

    Nothing but ego apparently.

    Ego has nothing to do with it. I'd rather try the free CinePaint to edit my photographs than spend several hundred dollars I don't have to buy Photoshop.

    Falcon

  62. proprietary vs FOOS by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Free and open should naturally be the fundamental ground which any software stands on, even if it's proprietary or not.

    If Photoshop were free and open source how would Adobe make enough money to pay the programmers? Sure there's GIMP, but they've been promising 16 bit colour channels for 10 years but it still only works with 8 bits per colour channel. And it needs a plug-in for CMYK support, which print artists need. Photoshop has CMYK built in and supports 32 bits, even 36 bits, per colour channel. I'd love it if GIMP had the capabilities of Photoshop but while it does fine for amateur and web artists it doesn't work so well for print photographers.

    to you iTunes and iPod together makes perfect sense. To me it's a horrible lock down that serves only the interest of Apple, not the consumer.

    Where is the lock-in for iTunes and the iPod? I don't own an iPod, or any other mpg3 player, the last portable player I bought was a Sony Walkman CD player I bought about 10 years ago. And though my Mac came with iTunes installed, I can use it or another player. If I want I can rip all of my music CDs with iTunes or another ripper and play the songs on an iPod or any other mpg3 player. Quite simply there is no lock-in for either iPods or iTunes.

    If Apple tries to sell it with "loss" just to collect the rest of the revenue through iTunes store then the iPod is in a way on lease.

    Apple does not require iPod owners to buy from the iTunes store. Actually the iTunes software makes it easy to rip CDs, CDa Apple does not sell, and then play the songs on Macs or Windows PC. Or the songs can be transfered to any mpg3 player. Again there is not lock-in.

    If I buy an iPod bundled with iTunes and Apple actively support third party developers to create new or improved ways to use my device then I consider it a fair deal. The sad truth is however that Apple does everything to prevent this.

    Are you for real? Or just spreading FUD? Fact is is Apple has a community and encourages iTunes developers. Though I am not now I have been a member of the Apple Developer Connection previously. Apple doesn't prevent or try to stop users from downloading media files from Amazon either.

    Falcon

    Oh, I like both Macs and open source

  63. iTunes by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    If iTunes is such a great application, how come it isn't a choice?

    iTunes is a choice. It does not come preinstalled on any Windows PCs so if Windows users wants to use they have to download and install it, and millions have exercised that choice. It's a choice on Macs too. Yes it is preinstalled on Macs however when I upgraded from Tiger and installed Leopard I didn't have to install iTunes. I did on the primary drive in my Mac but I also created a bootable USB Flash drive, in case of emergencies, without it. And if I want to play my music CDs on my Mac I do not have to use iTunes either. Audacity is an open source audio editing software that runs on Linux, OS X, and Windows.

    So can you explain where the lock-in occurs? Or are you spreading FUD?

    Falcon

    1. Re:iTunes by noundi · · Score: 1

      So Apple endorses you to use any software to transfer files between a PC and an iPod? I didn't think so. Your argument is irrelevant since I was referring to the areas where Apple does force software upon its users. The iPod and the iPhone are two very good examples. Here's where the lock-in occurs. Do you need further explanation?

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    2. Re:iTunes by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      So Apple endorses you to use any software to transfer files between a PC and an iPod?

      I don't know but Apple does not block file transfers between PCs and iPods. MP4 Converter transfers files from iPods to PCs as well as the other way, from PC to iPod. Aiseesoft iPod Transfer does the same. So there is no lock-in between iTunes and iPods.

      Your argument is irrelevant since I was referring to the areas where Apple does force software upon its users.

      It is your argument that is, not irrelevant but ignorant. Or a troll.

      As for iPhones, the one lock-in I know of is the lock-in to ATT for cellphone service, which I disagree with. They have been jailbreaked but upgrading the iPhone OS turns them into door stops or bricks.

      Do you need further explanation?

      Do you?

      Falcon

  64. Why on earth would you hack it to run linux? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    MacOS is a pig and it's performance kind of sucks.

    Where's your evidence? I'll make it easy and ask for evidence not proof.

    Driver support is inferior.

    Again, do you have evidence? I have a number of USB and Firewire devices attached to my Mac and I have not had a problem with any of them. However there are known issues with installing and using Ubuntu on my MacBook Pro. I know because I've been researching how to install it on my Mac.

    Support for random data formats is inferior.

    What?

    A special app with exclusionary encryption is really more trouble than it's worth.

    That depends but it can happen on any computer running any OS. It is not exclusive to Macs running OS X. Heck there are proprietary formats that will not play legally on Linux. Jon Lech Johansen raised a stink when he released DeCSS so Linux PCs could play movie DVDs.

    Almost every thing you said was FUD.

    Falcon

  65. Haskin? Oh, I just read Raskin by firefarter · · Score: 1

    For a moment there I almost thought Raskin came back from the grave to criticize the iPhone.

  66. Re:Setting itself up to conquer the netbook market by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I think Apple would be stupid not to be working on a larger variant of the iPod Touch / iPhone as it's been on the request list of so many people for so long.

    The same could be said of a cheap expandable Mac tower. I don't know how many tymes others have said they'd buy a Mac if one was offered.

    Falcon

  67. rabid fans by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I would expect it to be a raging success, as no other company has as rabid a fan-base that will buy anything Apple throws at them without complaining and will even infect others who should know better to buy them as well.

    That sounds just like some Linux and Windows fans. Apple has no lock on rabid fans. "Remember when Kurt Cobain died? Copy-cat suicides the whole works...will this happen with MJ fans too we shall see."

    Falcon

  68. App Store would stagnate by tepples · · Score: 1

    If Apple were to make the Mac Pro a requirement for developing apps for the App Store, then the App Store would stagnate.

  69. running lunux on older hardware by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    For free unix-like systems, Debian and NetBSD come to mind.

    And can I install a modern version of either one on my Alpha though? Or would I have to search high and low for an older version?

    Falcon

    1. Re:running lunux on older hardware by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      You can get the latest release of NetBSD for Alpha at netbsd.org. What's great about netbsd is that the source can be used to compile for any architecture that supported from any other architecture. As for Debian, you can get that from the Debian website.

      Personally, for really old hardware I prefer NetBSD. I used to have an old Sparcstation IPC, those old lunchbox-style computers. NetBSD ran great on it.

    2. Re:running lunux on older hardware by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      You can get the latest release of NetBSD for Alpha at netbsd.org

      But will it run on my old Alpha? Or do I have to look high and low to find an older version? I've had my Alpha for more than 11 years.

      Falcon

    3. Re:running lunux on older hardware by the_humeister · · Score: 1
    4. Re:running lunux on older hardware by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      But will it run on my old Alpha?

      here

      That does not answer my question. It doesn't list any hardware requirements. The hardware requirements page says nothing about what CPUs it will run on. Okay, I had to search it and look at a number of pages but I finally found a page listing Alpha CPUs supported by NetBSD. Now I need to dig up the documentation I have on my Alpha to see what version it is.

      If and when I update Linux, I'll also need to see how to use Windows NT4's boot manager. I ordered it with 2 harddisks, one with NT4 and the other with Redhat. And it was setup to use NT4's boot manager to select the OS.

      Falcon

  70. So conclusions from this: by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Troll! Troll! Troll!

    Falcon

  71. Re:Setting itself up to conquer the netbook market by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    Cheap is different. Cheap and good don't always go together. I owned a few cheap Mac clones and they pretty much always sucked compared to a real Mac. They were cheaper but they lacked the quality of an Apple product.

    I do think Apple can do a netbook cheaper than the Air but I don't think it'd be $300. A sub-$1000 product that hits a sweet spot between an iPod Touch and a netbook though could be really nice. People looking for cheap wouldn't want it though.

    The "I'm a PC." ads from Microsoft are true. You can buy a bulky, ugly, low quality PC for less than you can buy an Apple product. You get what you pay for. A Ford Focus essentially does what a BMW does but it doesn't look as nice, run as well, or last as long. I do think Apple should license other companies to produce compatible, if crappy, clones. Sometimes crap is all you need. They just don't want to tarnish their brand selling crap themselves.

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